Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Sep 20 - 12:16 PM

https://www.livescience.com/meteorite-crater-australia-outback.html

"When geologists at Evolution Mining, an Australian gold mining company, came across some unusual rock cores at Ora Banda, they called Jayson Meyers, the principal geophysicist, director and founder of Resource Potentials, a geophysics consulting and contracting company in Perth. Meyers examined the geologists' drill core samples, as well as rock samples from the site, and he immediately noticed the shatter cones — telltale signs of a meteorite crash."

This is a geology story, not an anthropology one, but it's another opportunity to prowl around the desert with your Google Earth.

"Shatter cones form when high-pressure, high-velocity shock waves from a large impacting object — such as a meteorite or a gigantic explosion (such as would occur at a nuclear testing site) — rattle an area, according to the Planetary Science Institute (PSI), a nonprofit group based in Tucson, Arizona, which was not involved with the new find. These shock waves shatter rock into the unique shatter cone shape, just like a mark that a hard object can leave on a car's windshield.

Because "we know they didn't do any nuclear testing at Ora Banda," the evidence suggests that an ancient impact crater hit the site, Meyers told Resourc.ly."

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Sep 20 - 04:59 PM

‘The mystery is over’: Researchers say they know what happened to ‘Lost Colony’

BUXTON, N.C. — The English colonists who settled the so-called Lost Colony before disappearing from history simply went to live with their native friends — the Croatoans of Hatteras, according to a new book.

“They were never lost,” said Scott Dawson, who has researched records and dug up artifacts where the colonists lived with the Indians in the 16th century. “It was made up. The mystery is over.”

Dawson has written a book, published in June, that details his research. It is called “The Lost Colony and Hatteras Island,” and echos many of the sentiments he has voiced for years.

A team of archaeologists, historians, botanists, geologists and others have conducted digs on small plots in Buxton and Frisco for 11 years.

Dawson and his wife, Maggie, formed the Croatoan Archaeological Society when the digs began. Mark Horton, a professor and archaeologist from England’s University of Bristol leads the project. Henry Wright, professor of anthropology at the University of Michigan, is an expert on native history.

Teams have found thousands of artifacts 4-6 feet below the surface that show a mix of English and Indian life. Parts of swords and guns are in the same layer of soil as Indian pottery and arrowheads.

The excavated earth looks like layer cake as the centuries pass.

“In a spot the size of two parking spaces, we could find 10,000 pieces,” he said.

Pieces found during the project are on display in the community building in Hatteras Village. The rest are in storage.

The rest is at the link.

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 30 Sep 20 - 10:40 PM

Australia - stunning rock art 6,000-9,400 years old Key points
    Archaeologists and Traditional Owners have documented rock art from 87 sites across north west Arnhem Land
    The team identified more than 570 images of animals, humans and spirits created between 6,000 and 9,400 years ago
    The images are painted in a style, known as Maliwawa, not seen elsewhere before

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Oct 20 - 01:33 PM

Egypt Unveils 59 ancient coffins.

Story on Al Jazeera.

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Oct 20 - 02:16 PM

Sandra, your article mentions rock art of dugong - on "Arnem Land" - I looked that up and find it is close enough to water for it to be something the artist would see in their regional travels. I wonder if they hunted them, or revered them, or both? I suppose bone fragments would have to tell that story.

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 08 Oct 20 - 08:52 AM

google search on dugong rock art arnham land gives many references, I'm not sure how many would help,

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Oct 20 - 09:30 AM

Here's a likely discussion: Introducing the Maliwawa Figures: a previously undescribed rock art style found in Western Arnhem Land.

In the Maliwawa paintings, human figures are frequently depicted with animals, especially macropods (kangaroos and wallabies), and these animal-human relationships appear to be central to the artists’ message. In some instances, animals almost appear to be participating in or watching some human activity.

Another key theme is a male or indeterminate human figure holding an animal, often a snake, or another human figure or an object.

Such scenes are rare in early rock art, not just in Australia but worldwide. They provide a remarkable glimpse into past Aboriginal life and cultural beliefs.

and further on

We first found some of these figures during a survey in 2008-2009 but they became the focus of further field research from 2016 to 2018.

So I guess understanding the relationships between these humans and animals is still being studied.

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Oct 20 - 01:23 PM

In my Instagram feed I follow a number of science-related sites, including one to do with geological features around the world. This morning they posted a photo of Izvor Cetina or Cetina spring, in Croatia. You look at a place like that and instinctively know that it was always an important human site, even in the current rural configuration of the area.

From Wikipedia:

The Cetina Valley and the narrow passage at Klis have always functioned as a principal trade route between the Croatian coast and hinterland. Strategically, it has been pivotal to the development, not only of the Balkans, but also of significant parts of Europe.[3]


Mouth of the Cetina river in Omiš, 2017
The earliest evidence for agricultural activity is from the Early Neolithic in the upper part of the valley. In the Early Bronze Age the Cetina culture, a geographically pervasive group with contacts throughout the Adriatic basin, became dominant. Extensive mound fields are recorded on the lower valley slopes at several locations around Cetina, Vrlika and Bajagic. As in other parts of Europe, the river appears to have been the focus of the intentional deposition of artifacts throughout prehistory. This is particularly true at the confluence of the Cetina and Ruda rivers at Trilj.

The area is intimately associated with the heartland of the Delmatae and the area's strategic importance is emphasised by the citing of the legionary fortress at Tilurium (Gardun), just above today's city of Trilj, which guards the entrance to the valley from the south and the approach to the provincial capital at Salona.

During the early medieval period, toponymic evidence suggests that the Cetina Valley and perhaps the river itself became a frontier between Slavic and Late Roman power. The area around Sinj eventually emerged as a centre of Slavic power and ultimately established itself as a heartland of the Early Croatian State, especially in the areas of its upper flow.

During later periods the area was highly contested and passed between a number of regional and local powers before conquest by the Ottoman Empire during the early 16th century. After this it retained a frontier role between Ottoman Empire and Republic of Venice until the reconquest of the area 150 years later.

Okay as far as that goes, but this is a karst region and that means caves. So I went looking for information about cave art, because if ever a place screamed out to be a Clan of the Cave Bear setting, this is it. :)

The First Cave Art of the Balkans May Date Back 30,000 Years

34,000-Year-Old Figurative Cave Paintings Found in Croatia

PHOTOS: First prehistoric figurative cave art identified in Croatian cave by archaeologists

These stories all seem to be from last year. Here's a story from 2004 by an archeologist from the UK, his version of a published article in a subscription journal. So people can read it for free, one presumes.

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Oct 20 - 10:32 AM

A Japanese high tech technolody called muon photography can detect cavities inside solid rock. Used on the great pyramid it was able to detect another enormous previously undiscovered great gallery above the great gallery we have all seen.

From our perspective a muon decays in a couple of milliseconds but due to a relativistic effect from moving at the speed of light it can travel many hundreds of km before it goes poof. A gamma ray hits our atmosphere and with a collision, gives birth to muons as well as a host of other sub atomic particles. The Japanese found a way of placing detector plates similar to X ray film and render a picture with super computers. It takes months to expose the 'film' and more time to render. Egypt's antiquites director Zwass is not thrilled with this technology.

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Oct 20 - 03:59 PM

That would be Zahi Hawass.. and he is no longer director. I think Sharif eased him out..(translation...fired)

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Oct 20 - 05:29 PM

Hawass revealed too much, obstructed too many and lied alot but that is a whole different story.
Muon tech is well over 10 years old now.

Hawass is still too big for his trousers. :^/

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Oct 20 - 08:44 PM

I have no idea what you're talking about - and I could Google it, but maybe you'd like to look at the links and see if there is a particularly well represented story about this and post the link?

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 07:19 AM

Here's a link with a Texan scientist.
https://news.artnet.com/art-world/great-pyramid-giza-egypt-void-1144325

Hundreds of Japanese links but language is not my forte'

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 05:57 PM

The Wikipedia page on Hawass says about as much as I know...

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 07:23 PM

thanks for posting the link, Bill, I wonder when it will be updated.

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Oct 20 - 04:50 PM

Possible Neanderthal Artifacts Unearthed in Denmark

It's just the abstract, but there are enough key words to do some more digging:

ROSKILDE, DENMARK—Yahoo! News reports that worked flint and mussel shells thought to have been shaped by Neanderthals some 120,000 years ago have been found in a steep cliff on the Danish island of Ejby Klint by archaeologists from Denmark’s National Museum and Roskilde Museum. It had been previously thought that reindeer hunters first settled Denmark some 14,000 years ago. “I did not think we would find anything at all, but we have actually found some stones that have possible traces of being worked by people, and that in itself is amazing,” said Lasse Sørensen of the National Museum. Between 130,000 and 115,000 years ago, Denmark was about four degrees warmer than it is today, and was home to beavers, steppe bison, fallow deer, wood rhinos, forest elephants, Irish giant deer, and red deer. “The door may have been opened for more excavations to be made for Neanderthals in Denmark,” added Ole Kastholm of Roskilde Museum. To read about a Neanderthal gene variant that may make those who have inherited it more susceptible to pain, go to "Painful Past."

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 06:36 PM

Some of these network stories don't stick around long, but there will be keywords to find more about it later.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/archaeologists-uncover-ancient-viking-ship-burial-site-norway/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab8c&linkId=104286086


Archaeologists uncover 1,000-year-old Viking ship burial site in Norway

By Sophie Lewis

November 11, 2020 / 12:24 PM / CBS News

Archaeologists in Norway have uncovered a unique Viking burial site, hidden deep underground, dating back over 1,000 years ago. Using only a radar, researchers identified a feast hall, cult house, farmhouse and the remnants of a ship.

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 07:03 PM

I was sure I saw this earlier... a search on 'Gjellestad ship' finds
https://www.khm.uio.no/english/visit-us/viking-ship-museum/gjellestad-ship/index.html

and
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel/2020/01/17/confirmed-norways-gjellestad-ship-is-from-the-viking-age/?sh=7e5896a99bb2

and more

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 08:53 PM

Mayan high civilization was advanced in astronomy projecting events by more than a quarter million years into the past and future. Math and literature has less evidence since most of it has been destroyed.
WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM?
They descended into madness and society collapsed en masse.

Here is the explanation; They had a magnificent water purification and storage technology. In their city plazas they created an expansive water collection area that filtered through fine sand and minerals to purify the water and directed it to underground storage and irrigation complexes. All well and good but the decorative buildings and temples were painted a bright vermillion red that was full of mercury. Over time the entire filtration layers became polluted with mercury that flowed off the pyramids and structures. Mad as a hatter is the English expression for those who made hats with mercury. China had its tradgedies with mercury and so did the Mayans. In Rome their pollution was lead.
The transition to madness from a poison water supply may have been a remarkable story that probably took longer to take hold than we might expect.

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Nov 20 - 12:00 PM

That's an interesting theory.

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Nov 20 - 06:31 AM

Today most of the mercury we injest originates at coal fired power plants tainting land and sea food.. I heard the theory on a PBS documentary.
Drifting farther; On Amazon prime I learned about liquid salt Flouride Thorium nuclear power plants that were invented in 1958 that can not melt down, never runs out of fuel and is not under pressure.
It was not used since the Pentagon since thorium did not make plutonium for bombs. More than here are the other benefits here
Or google floride thorium reactors
I am a nuke plant advocate since it really can replace oil, gas an wind and solar, which seems likely.

Part of the cure for climate change is found in our ignored past.

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Nov 20 - 03:13 PM

"other benefits"? All I see there is a list of movies. Why would info on reactors be found on Amazon Prime?

But upon searching, I did find this list of disadvantages

More research perhaps, but for the foreseeable future I'd prefer solar, with banks of collectors in deserts and roof-top panels like two of my neighbors have. Add in some new wind turbines that can sit on city buildings, and the need for fossil fuels can be greatly reduced.

Ask Germany and Spain...

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Nov 20 - 05:58 PM

The same guy who was the creator of the initial N plants also invented the Flouride Thorium reactors. The atomic regulatory agency handed him his hat when he pushed for his safe reactor designs. I like the no 'forever' waste part.

The movie I watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3rL08J7fDA

If we ever crack the fusion problem thorium sounds like a good alternative for the next 50-100 years. I am just a consumer and not a scientist.

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Nov 20 - 06:22 PM

A slicker video you tube

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Nov 20 - 05:02 PM

I'll look, but I almost never look to YouTube for news and information.

My hearing is bad and I don't process spoken words quickly..unless it is close-captioned. I really prefer to read at my own pace from several trusted web sites.

Far too many videos are by proselytizers who don't have an HTML address, and who are advancing 'odd' personal theories.... and YouTube then links you to other similar ones.

we shall see.. in my copious spare time.. :>)

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 11:09 AM

Norway ice melt reveals 'frozen archive' of ancient reindeer-hunting arrows

London (CNN)Archaeologists have uncovered a haul of ancient artifacts from a melted ice patch in Norway, including a record number of arrows used for reindeer hunting from more than 6,000 years ago.

The team found 68 arrows at the Langfonne ice patch in the Jotunheimen Mountains, tracing the artifacts back to various periods of time across thousands of years, from the Stone Age all the way through to the Medieval Period.

The discovery, published this week as a study in The Holocene journal, also included the remains of reindeer antlers, Iron Age scaring sticks used in reindeer hunting and a 3,300-year-old shoe from the Bronze Age. The arrows mark the earliest ice finds in Northern Europe, according to the study's authors.

Norway's Jotunheimen Mountains are located more than 200 miles (in excess of 320 kilometers) north of the capital, Oslo.

The Langfonne ice patch, where the arrows were found, has retreated by more than 70% over the past two decades as global warming has caused dramatic ice melt, the study says.

"With the ice now retreating due to climate change, the evidence for ancient hunting at Langfonne is reappearing from what is in essence a frozen archive," said Lars Pilø, the study's lead author and an archaeologist from the Innlandet County Council, in a statement.

"The ice melt, sad as it is, provides an unprecedented archaeological opportunity for new knowledge."

The oldest arrows, dating back to 4000 BC, are in poor condition. But surprisingly, the arrows from the Late Neolithic period (2400-1750 BC) were better preserved in comparison to those from the following 2,000 years, according to the study.

Using ground penetrating radar (GPR) technology, researchers believe that the bad state of the oldest arrows may be due to ice movement.

GPR data revealed ice deformation deep inside of the patch may have broken the old, brittle arrows, but it also helped to bring them to the surface to be discovered.

"Ice patches are not your regular archaeological sites," Pilø said. "Glacial archeology has the potential to transform our understanding of human activity in the high mountains and beyond."

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 06:27 PM

thanks, stilly

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 09:42 PM

I pulled that Norwegian location up on Google Earth; it's an odd looking piece of land, and I'd really like to see a topographic map of the area, but wasn't able to find any.

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Nov 20 - 08:50 AM

WOOF Follow the shoe and the broken arrow. Ice mining for artifacts in melting glacial ice with the assistance of GPR, sounds like the way to go. Of course we can only look where we are allowed to look.

I would personally prefer a nicer climate and buried architectural remains that have carvings of the early Holocene animals and even a dinosaur or two. Someplace in Turkey to the fertile crescent. China would be great too but these places are politically off limits lately.
Sneaky satillites are the key to seeing with new eyes.

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Nov 20 - 05:40 PM

These things kind of come in clumps.

Frozen Bird Found in Siberia is 46,000 Years Old

In 2018, a well-preserved frozen bird was found in the ground in the Belaya Gora area of north-eastern Siberia. Researchers at the Centre for Palaeogenetics, a new research center at Stockholm University and the Swedish Museum of Natural History, have studied the bird and the results are now published in the scientific journal Communications Biology. The analyses reveals that the bird is a 46,000-year-old female horned lark.

"Not only can we identify the bird as a horned lark. The genetic analysis also suggests that the bird belonged to a population that was a joint ancestor of two sub species of horned lark living today, one in Siberia, and one in the steppe in Mongolia. This helps us understand how the diversity of sub species evolves," says Nicolas Dussex, researcher at the Department of Zoology at Stockholm University.

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Nov 20 - 05:59 PM

I've heard of flash
freezing events in a temperate Siberia ~40,000 years ago

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Nov 20 - 09:39 PM

Best images & maps I found of the Norwegian ice patch

https://secretsoftheice.com/news/2020/04/16/mountain-pass/

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 30 Nov 20 - 02:53 AM

Bill, that is an amazing website, I've spent the best part of hour following links from that article. The site is now bookmarked

like this one showing a 1720-1850 woven hat

sandra

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 30 Nov 20 - 04:24 AM

after my archaeology binge, I checked out my regular news sites & found more archaeology - 'Sistine Chapel of the ancients' rock art discovered in remote Amazon forest

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Nov 20 - 10:49 AM

What deep rabbit holes Bill and Sandra have provided! And so many photos and maps! Good stuff!

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Nov 20 - 02:57 PM

It was links inside of links..often buried down the page. Just reading how the research and collection was done is amazing.

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Nov 20 - 03:08 PM

The graffiti chapel of the ancients is great! It reminds me of NYC

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Nov 20 - 04:39 PM

It reminds ME of taking the metro from Silver Spring to Metro Center... every structure that faces the tracks was a potential target for graffiti.

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Nov 20 - 11:59 PM

I know it's a form of vandalism and some of it is significant in the message, but a lot of the graffiti out there from taggers is actually quite attractive. I suspect I hold a minority opinion (and this is acknowledging that a lot of it turns up in less than public places that are inappropriate, like private property, fences, houses, etc.) I'm thinking in particular of the sides of trains.

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Dec 20 - 12:41 PM

In the trip I referred to one legendary writer, Cool “Disco” Dan, has been featured in a local graffiti museum. See this search

Disco Dan & others

A friend of mine who used to ride the line daily wrote a song about him.

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Dec 20 - 12:54 PM

BANKSY - silver spring

I've seen TV documentaries of the highest forms of graffiti art that are painted over after viewing. What is the the name of the NYC graffiti arist that sells works for 5 figures?

Pigments mixed with egg yolk (tempura) can last thousands of years.

Egg whites can weather seal old wooden instruments on te inside.
Today I use 1 micron thick glass which transmits sound the same as spruce.

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Dec 20 - 01:13 PM

Maybe here?
https://www.widewalls.ch/magazine/10-new-york-graffiti-legends-still-kicking-ass

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 11:58 AM

I wonder if Bob Ross ever imagined some of his 'Liquid clear' techniques for global shading would be used by graffiti artists.
Ancient Egyptian graffiti exists in the Great Pyramid as well as the valley of the kings. They range from just names to sexual acts on the intended honored. Roman graffiti is a subject of its own. Some folk tunes are the musical graffiti of its time. - jus ramblin

Mostly I am impressed by the cliffside painting discovery

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 12:28 PM

Keith Haring got his start doing graffiti in NY City subway stations.

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Helen
Date: 04 Dec 20 - 10:26 PM

This TV show has just started in Oz a couple of weeks ago. Brilliant!

Earth From Space

I'm probably going to buy the DVD so that I can watch it over and over again. I'm also probably going to buy a copy for my nephew's young family.

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Dec 20 - 04:27 PM

The clips are the best I've ever seen.

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Dec 20 - 05:38 AM

refresh

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 09 Dec 20 - 05:59 PM

Pterosaurs evolved from small, wingless reptiles called lagerpetids

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Dec 20 - 06:23 PM

"But what they discovered may help fill a 28-million-year gap in the evolution of flying reptiles instead."

Those pesky gaps! That one looks like a chasm. :)

Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Dec 20 - 09:07 PM

I enjoy eating mini dinosaurs. Tonight I had chicken. Scaley two legged creatures with beaks and the later advancement of warm blood and feathers. They sort of split the difference between us and dinos.
Due to climate even some tyranosaurs had beautiful feathers not unlike peacocks. Evolution found a path to flight with size vs weight issues a million years AFTER the first dragon flies that were over a meter long.

Dragon flies did not taste like chicken.