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Subject: BS: Thread Killers From: Tattie Bogle Date: 29 Jan 18 - 04:05 PM Just wondering....how many threads have you killed? (Not talking about threads closed down by the moderators). What I mean is when yours is the last post on any thread. You thought your last post was so witty and ascerbic that it would be followed by loads of equally humorous or educational answers. You saved it to your personal page, but it doesn't rise to the surface again for another 1- years if you're lucky. Or you've given the answer that everyone was looking for, even pm-ed people who were desperate for song words, and.......total silence? Just 'cos it seems to happen to me a lot! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: meself Date: 29 Jan 18 - 04:11 PM I've killed any number of threads - they're going strong, I throw in a boot - and suddenly, everything comes to a crashing halt. Just like in real life ...... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Tattie Bogle Date: 29 Jan 18 - 04:21 PM Well, boots or slippers, we just have to keep this thread going now! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Dave the Gnome Date: 29 Jan 18 - 04:21 PM It has happened once or twice. I have one going now that on!y I have posted anything on! DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: fat B****rd Date: 29 Jan 18 - 05:11 PM I'll put my hands up for that. I put in a witty/intelligent/original post and that's all she -or anybody else- wrote. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Donuel Date: 29 Jan 18 - 05:45 PM I always thought I was the reigning thread killer. I'm surprised other people think they are too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Joe Offer Date: 29 Jan 18 - 06:01 PM It happens to me. A lot. I say something that I just know is brilliant and inspiring and ultimately wise, and nobody posts anything in response. The more brilliant and inspiring and wise my posts are, the more likely they are to kill a thread. "Lonesome George" Gobel was one of the inspirations in my life. He was like that. Lonesome Joe |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Greg F. Date: 29 Jan 18 - 06:29 PM Well, Lonesome, since you are one of the folks that has the power to kill threads and regularly exercise that power.....
-Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: keberoxu Date: 29 Jan 18 - 07:24 PM not only threads, but conversations. I have got a rare gift for bringing a room to a complete silence, and not a friendly silence, either: more like a hurry-up-and-take-your-foot-out-of-your-mouth silence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 29 Jan 18 - 08:02 PM When it happens to me, I assume it's because my final post has left everyone too awestruck to respond. Whether the awe in question was inspired by searing brilliance or unbelievable stupidity is another matter all together. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Steve Shaw Date: 29 Jan 18 - 08:15 PM I'm heartened. I'm glad it's not just me. Respond, somebody....PLEASE... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Joe Offer Date: 29 Jan 18 - 08:47 PM Gee, Steve, I didn't know it hurt you so bad to be last in line. Would it help if I posted Refresh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Donuel Date: 29 Jan 18 - 08:54 PM We should be glad there is no Facebook 'like' feature here. We all like an ego stroke but were fine without it. Wisdom is seldom rewarded, it is just accepted as true. I try to give kudos to some posts but it gets corny after awhile. Besides, tuning in just to get an ego snack gets to be shallow and addictive. So we feel self doubt without a response but that's OK, it is better than feeling 'like envy'. Personally, if I'm not bitching I'm probably alluding to something obscure that amuses me. Sounding preachy is something I try to avoid . While my aim is to be original when I hear my ideas echo back to me from future voices it feels satisfying. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Jackaroodave Date: 29 Jan 18 - 09:09 PM I tell myself the swme as BWL. Isn't there a name for the unresolvable doubt one feels after killing a thread? So-and-so's dilemma, or something? What bothers me more is trying, sometimes repeatedly, to kill a thread that I can't stand but can't ignore, and it just keeps grnding away. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Donuel Date: 29 Jan 18 - 09:45 PM Thoughts and behavior can be modified by social media and the clever application of rewards. It happens here but not intentionally. On Twitter and Facebook it is deliberate in many cases. There have been cases of psychological experimentation by sending specific reporting to specific audiences to discover opinion manipulation effectiveness. Our Id knows better but our ego is a real sucker. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: leeneia Date: 29 Jan 18 - 10:30 PM You want to kill a thread? Post something which implies that people should stop debating and get out their instrument. Thanks for the link to George Gobel, Joe. I like him too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Stilly River Sage Date: 30 Jan 18 - 12:26 AM While they're not dead, the there are a few hammer-and-tongs arguers, duos whose lengthy point-counterpoint contributions grow like mold in the bottom of some threads that no one else will touch. Those are as good as dead. Anything about Israel. Most of the British political ones. Yes, I know the question had to do with a sudden lack of interest in threads that started on a reasonable topic, but the other answer to that question is the threads that everyone else ignores (except the combatants). Then there are threads that have dropped out of sight for ages but come to life again when bots or spammers find and post spam in them. Before the spam post can be removed someone jumps in and revives the old discussion and the conversation continues from five, ten, fifteen years ago. Only if you look at the behind-the-scenes moderator view of the thread do you see the one (or more) spam posts that brought it back to the surface. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: meself Date: 30 Jan 18 - 01:09 AM "Isn't there a name for the unresolvable doubt one feels after killing a thread?" There's got to be a German word for that feeling - where are our German scholars? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Rusty Dobro Date: 30 Jan 18 - 03:04 AM Windungstotungangst? (Translating 'thread' as 'convolution, meander' which seems suitable for the Mudcat.) There, that should kill off this thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Senoufou Date: 30 Jan 18 - 03:58 AM I'm sure people read a post and like it or find it interesting, without necessarily replying. I kill threads, I'm sure, because I natter on and on about my cats, my husband and crumpets. I can almost hear the groans as I type! :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Will Fly Date: 30 Jan 18 - 03:59 AM Wrong! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Dave the Gnome Date: 30 Jan 18 - 06:48 AM What is? :D tG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Jim Carroll Date: 30 Jan 18 - 06:54 AM From the cat or from your husband? Not from us or the crumpets Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Senoufou Date: 30 Jan 18 - 07:29 AM Hahaha! I do rabbit on, but the cats are usually dozing, and my husband is quite used to me after all these years. (He can tune out with ease) So it must be the crumpets! I do so love them, especially in the winter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: meself Date: 30 Jan 18 - 12:04 PM (Oh, no - not the cats and husband again! The only thing missing is - oh dear, there they are: the crumpets!!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Senoufou Date: 30 Jan 18 - 12:24 PM hee hee! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Raggytash Date: 30 Jan 18 - 12:27 PM I LIKE Cats, I LIKE Crumpets and I'm sure I would like your husband if I ever had the good fortune to meet him. Fret not about these subjects!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Backwoodsman Date: 30 Jan 18 - 12:34 PM Cats and crumpets = Good Things Brexit and Israel = Bad Things You're OK, Sen. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Senoufou Date: 30 Jan 18 - 01:00 PM Well, I agree that a 'nice' little bit of gentle chatting can be calming, but a fierce contretemps between a few very heated protagonists can be quite exciting and stimulating. (But not when things turn nasty and hurtful insults are flying through the air) Haha Raggytash, everyone seems to like my husband. He's very smiley and gentle, and helps old folk in the supermarket, people in wheelchairs etc. At work I'm told he trundles all the very heavy wheelie bins outside for the less-muscular cleaners. He has a rather unnerving habit of hoisting items onto his head to carry them! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Jim Carroll Date: 30 Jan 18 - 01:59 PM "Hahaha! I do rabbit " Me too - I don't you saw the sign outside a north Norfolk pub when Watership Down first came out "You've read the book, you've seen the film - why not try the pie? Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Senoufou Date: 30 Jan 18 - 02:09 PM Gaaah Jim! That's brilliant! (I do like rabbit pie, with plenty of onions in it) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: FreddyHeadey Date: 30 Jan 18 - 06:58 PM And can you resist going back even when you know there have been no new comments? Is this Schrödinger's Mud-cat paradox? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Donuel Date: 30 Jan 18 - 08:26 PM Freddy have you ever read a post more often and carefully than your own? I haven't. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Donuel Date: 30 Jan 18 - 09:04 PM So is the consensus that there is no such thing as a thread killer? I think most people post like a cat using its sand box. They put it down and it gets covered up. If there is such a thing as a thread killer do you have any examples? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: meself Date: 30 Jan 18 - 11:13 PM I think Donuel has killed this one ... ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Backwoodsman Date: 31 Jan 18 - 02:32 AM Senoufou, Jim - my mum used to make The Best rabbit pie! She used to include an onion cut in two, with a clove stuck into each half - made the meat taste wonderful (a trick she learned from my gran, who had been the cook/housekeeper for a gentleman-farmer). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Senoufou Date: 31 Jan 18 - 03:23 AM That sounds delicious Backwoodsman! I miss my old colleague who used to go shooting at the weekends, then give me the odd pigeon, rabbit or pheasant to skin/pluck. My mother taught me how to do this, and the resulting meals were gorgeous. I expect a thread 'dies' because everything has been said and the topic has been well and truly explored. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Jim Carroll Date: 31 Jan 18 - 05:05 AM "my mum used to make The Best rabbit pie!" I can't eat rabbit - a hang-up from the time a friend's mother fed me a rabbit pie which had been badly prepared and full of broken bones If I get a small bone in my mouth I'm ill for hours after I'm sure there must be a named phobia for that Philosophically I am a vegetarian - horrified by the idea of killing living creatures (except Everton supporters), but as most Northern English vegitarians would have starved to death before they reach the age of five, I've never been ably to practice my philosophy. One of our first Traveller singers gave us songs about Rabbit-skin selling - his uncle was a practitioner in rural Wexford in the early twentieth century |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Roger the Skiffler Date: 31 Jan 18 - 05:40 AM So it's not only me! There are some names that if I see repeated in a thread also "kill" it for me and I don't bother reading as I know they'll just be arguing with each other rather than adding anything of substance. RtS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Dave the Gnome Date: 31 Jan 18 - 07:01 AM Hey, Roger. You have the same middle name as me :-) DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Mr Red Date: 31 Jan 18 - 08:10 AM Apart from moderators choice, I would say the more appropriate description might be: Interest killers. The subject, in the context of those who have engaged, has run it course. Or the vituperate of this parish have commandeered the thread which amounts to the same thing to most of us. I would say "You know who you are" but actually, I don't think they do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Senoufou Date: 31 Jan 18 - 08:22 AM Yes Mr Red, that always puts me off a thread. It's like leaving the pub when a drunken brawl breaks out, ducking the flying chairs as you head for the door... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Bill D Date: 31 Jan 18 - 09:11 AM Ummm... "Mudcat threads they never die, Never die, never die.. Mudcat threads they never die.. They just fade away.." 21 years now, and most threads are still with us.....yes, some are **closed**, but still available for nostalgia. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Donuel Date: 31 Jan 18 - 09:52 AM Jim I would not expect you to like the circular logic of Rabbi Pi. NOT to be confused with Nazi snacks. I'm not fond of bone shard stew either. In China the preparation of cat (much like rabbit) is most unnecessarily cruel. I will spare you the recipe. Nausea is a known thread killer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: keberoxu Date: 31 Jan 18 - 12:18 PM Acme, not challenging the disclosure in your post, just commenting: some of the spam has been noticeable even to Mudcatters like me. Spooked me the first time I saw an old thread revived by somebody someplace where Russian is spoken. The statement that there is more spamming at Mudcat than we members see is most plausible. (it's one reason not to envy you your chores here) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Donuel Date: 31 Jan 18 - 12:47 PM No one reported the bot attack to disrupt our tranquility. I warned the best I could. spamming and attack prevention on Mudcat is most LAUDABLE. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Tattie Bogle Date: 31 Jan 18 - 02:02 PM Been away for a few wee hours in the serious Burns unit, and come back to find lots of entertaining answers. Thanks y'all! Not too much of the political, and hadn't intended it to go that way, nor of the gloves off debates, thank goodness. Keep 'em coming! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Joe Offer Date: 31 Jan 18 - 05:13 PM Sometimes, I wish I could post in the middle of a thread. I think it's because I don't have confidence in what I have to say and I think it will bore everyone to death and kill the thread, to boot. If my post were in the middle of the thread, it wouldn't be so damn obvious that I'm the one who killed it. On the other hand, being boring is a lot nicer than some of the alternatives... -Joe Boring- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Donuel Date: 31 Jan 18 - 08:58 PM Nah you're not boring. Unlike George Gobel who was boring yet charming in his own way, you can be incendiary. I sense a majority here does not care or believe that Western Democracy is being shredded before their eyes via weaponized social media based on a hypnosis platform and frames of actual fake news propaganda. It seems apparent I am the only hypnotist on this forum. You may be able to verify my warnings regarding the use of mass hypnosis for nefarious means has been at least a 12 year project on this forum. No one here has ever told me they get it. So I will resign from all my warnings that have either been disbelieved or ignored. So long Joe, for the most part you have been a pain in the ass. As pains go its not a bad on but JAYSUS you can be THICK.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Joe Offer Date: 31 Jan 18 - 10:19 PM Maybe you're right, Donuel. I just don't understand a lot of this shit. Maybe it's better, that I don't. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Bill D Date: 31 Jan 18 - 10:26 PM My problem is that I DO understand a lot of this shit.... my other problem is that far too many others who claim THEY understand it also, don't agree with ME. "Those of us who really understand the truth about things are really being annoyed by those who merely claim to!" ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Donuel Date: 01 Feb 18 - 07:09 AM If Bill can admit understanding out loud there are probably 100 silent friends of the truth. The presence of Russian intelligence in this town is visibly huge. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Senoufou Date: 01 Feb 18 - 07:34 AM I've never found you boring Joe. On the contrary, your posts are most interesting. At least you don't rabbit on about cats or crumpets! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: keberoxu Date: 01 Feb 18 - 06:41 PM Mr. Red, "interest killers" is also apt. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Donuel Date: 01 Feb 18 - 09:52 PM The last person on this thread risks being stigmatized as the quintessential thread killer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: meself Date: 01 Feb 18 - 10:13 PM Still going for the title, aren't you, Donuel? You'll have to get past me first! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Joe Offer Date: 02 Feb 18 - 12:31 AM Well, no, Senoufou, the cats died - and now we have rats in the attic, so it's a tradeoff. The cats were a mess to clean up after, though.All we have to do with the rats, is take them out of the traps and bury them. My wife won't let me put them in the trash can, so I let HER bury them and do her little rat rituals... But did I ever tell you how cute my dogs are? I make up songs to sing to them and do a little dance, and they think I'm very entertaining and dance, too - and then they demand a treat, OR ELSE! Why don't humans think I'm entertaining? -Lonesome Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Senoufou Date: 02 Feb 18 - 04:24 AM Haha 'Lonesome Joe' indeed! 1. Get some more cats. 2. Bury the rats yourself. How can you even contemplate putting them in the dustbin? 3. Post on here a video of your dance with the dogs. I can guarantee you'd never be a Thread Killer! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: keberoxu Date: 02 Feb 18 - 12:19 PM Joe, don't your dogs hunt rats? Could you hire a terrier? Terriers have the most wonderful one-track minds when their prey drives kick in. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Tattie Bogle Date: 02 Feb 18 - 03:05 PM Anyone up for writing a song about the content of this thread so far? Ok, so Joe is, by his own admission, boring (but some of us dispute that especially if rats are involved). Donuel is, in fact, Putin by another name. Senofou is, as ever, making me laugh. Acme, is making a point. Keberoxu is here. Bill D knows the answer. And Meself is in war-like mode, wanting to be the chief killer. When the time comes (and it hasn't yet) I'll do the Mastermind thing (for those of you outside of the UK, it's a quiz programme on TV) and say "I've started, so I'll finish". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Joe_F Date: 02 Feb 18 - 08:22 PM Those of you who think you know it all are a source of amusement to those of us who do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: keberoxu Date: 04 Feb 18 - 11:46 AM Why not terriers? It is, after all, the Chinese New Year of the Earth Dog. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Donuel Date: 04 Feb 18 - 03:07 PM Horasho Tattie. To you seeing thru our double triple anticounterintelligence app, congratulatinks. While Donuel is no Putin he is reassigned. Everyone to get from anti Trump and Russian posts in return for a generous donation. We know where you live. Trump songs nyet. Putin praise da. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Donuel Date: 04 Feb 18 - 03:23 PM https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_medium/public/thumbnails/image/2016/11/09/13/vladimir-putin-trump.jpg cheers There is nothing more loyal & trustworthy than a person who will exchange their allegiance for cold hard cash. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Tattie Bogle Date: 04 Feb 18 - 03:46 PM Ok, let's go for the century! (Er, which century??) Putin putin his hand so it looks like it's not his, but a sneaky appendage of his jacket, while sipping even more sneaky champagne! The eyes have it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: keberoxu Date: 06 Feb 18 - 12:01 PM Don't let the next winter storm kill this thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Bill D Date: 06 Feb 18 - 12:26 PM 'There is nothing more loyal & trustworthy than a person who will exchange their allegiance for cold hard cash. ' It seems we have a few honest politicians right now... once bought, they stay bought! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: beardedbruce Date: 06 Feb 18 - 12:47 PM This one Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last! From: beardedbruce - PM Date: 14 May 04 - 12:02 PM didn't work, so boring alone is not a thread killer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Tattie Bogle Date: 06 Feb 18 - 04:01 PM Definitely not! Still at it 13 years on?! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: beardedbruce Date: 06 Feb 18 - 04:04 PM 1119 sonnets as of yesterday... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Joe Offer Date: 07 Feb 18 - 01:52 AM Sonnet 43 How do I love thee? Let me count the ways. I love thee to the depth and breadth and height My soul can reach, when feeling out of sight For the ends of being and ideal grace. I love thee to the level of every day's Most quiet need, by sun and candle-light. I love thee freely, as men strive for right. I love thee purely, as they turn from praise. I love thee with the passion put to use In my old griefs, and with my childhood's faith. I love thee with a love I seemed to lose With my lost saints. I love thee with the breath, Smiles, tears, of all my life; and, if God choose, I shall but love thee better after death. Elizabeth Barrett Browning, 1806 - 1861 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: beardedbruce Date: 07 Feb 18 - 11:42 AM Yes Joe, one of the best ones, but your sonnet was not posted here by the author... Note I did NOT post the ones I mentioned here- I reserve them for the "In every thread someone has to be last!" thread, in case anyone else posts after me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: beardedbruce Date: 07 Feb 18 - 11:55 AM And it does has a couple of weak rhymes... ways/*grace*/day's/praise *faith*/breath/death |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: beardedbruce Date: 07 Feb 18 - 12:06 PM EBB's , that is. Triolets, on the other hand, could never kill a thread. Not enough gravitas. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: beardedbruce Date: 07 Feb 18 - 12:09 PM This might kill off THIS thread... Sonnet 07/05/02 Bhan Sidhe DCLXXXVIII It was an odd noise that I heard, this night: Not quite a scream, but far more than a gasp, From moonless darkness, with no stars in sight. What is this coldness, that my insides clasp? Why do I weaken, hearing sound so far Only the echo reaches ear, yet mind Is twisted from intent? How can I bar Gate of imagination to wyrd bind? I fall, boneless with fright, and sweat breaks out; Bowels turn to water with despair. I weep, To lose all. I moan, but cannot give shout To more than whimper, nor my reason keep. She passes, and I live! Yet dare not rise For fear of seeing Death within her eyes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Jim Carroll Date: 09 Feb 18 - 06:01 AM Or this Jim Carroll CONCERNING THE INFANTICIDE, MARIE FARRER by Bertolt Brecht (MacColl?s translation) Marie Farrer, born in April, No marks, a minor, rachitic, both parents dead, Allegedly up to now without police record, Committed infanticide, it is said, As follows: in her second month, she says, With the aid of a barmaid, she did her best To get rid of her child with two douches, Allegedly painful but without success. BUT YOU, I BEG YOU, CHECK YOUR WRATH AND SCORN, FOR MAN NEED HELP FROM EVERY CREATURE BORN. She then paid out, she says, what was agreed And continued to lace herself up tight. She also drank liquor with pepper mixed in it Which purged her but did not cure her plight. Her body distressed her as she washed the dishes, It was swollen now quite visibly. She herself says, for she was still a child, She prayed to Mary most earnestly. BUT YOU, I BEG YOU, CHECK YOUR WRATH AND SCORN, FOR MAN NEEDS HELP FROM EVERY CREATURE BORN. Her prayers, it seemed, helped her not at all. She longed for help. Her trouble made her falter And faint at early Mass. Often drops of sweat Broke out in anguish as she knelt at the altar. Yet until her time came upon her She still kept secret her condition. For no one would believe such a thing could happen, That she, so unenticing, had yielded to temptation. BUT YOU, I BEG YOU, CHECK YOUR WRATH AND SCORN, FOR MAN NEED HELP FROM EVERY CREATURE BORN. And, on that day, she says, when it was dawn, As she washed the stairs, it seemed a nail Was driven into her belly. She was wrung with pain. But still she secretly endured her travail. All day long while hanging out the laundry, She wracked her brains until she got it through her head She had to bear the child, and her heart was heavy. It was very late when she went to bed. BUT YOU, I BEG YOU, CHECK YOUR WRATH AND SCORN FOR MAN NEEDS HELP FROM EVERY CREATURE BORN. She was sent for again as soon as she lay down. Snow had fallen and she had to go downstairs. It went on till eleven. It was a long day. Only at night did she have time to bear. And so, she says, she gave birth to a son. The son she bore was just like all the others. She was unlike the others but for this There is no reason to despise this mother, YOU TOO, I BEG YOU, CHECK YOUR WRATH AND SCORN FOR MAN NEEDS HELP FROM EVERY CREATURE BORN With her last strength, she says, because Her room had now grown icy cold, she then Dragged herself to the latrine and there Gave birth as best she could (not knowing when) But toward morning. She says she was already Quite distracted and could barely hold The child for snow came into the latrine And her fingers were half numb with cold. YOU TOO, I BEG YOU, CHECK YOUR WRATH AND SCORN FOR MAN NEEDS HELP FROM EVERY CREATURE BORN Between the latrine and her room, she says, Not earlier, the child began to cry until It drove her mad so that, she says, She did not cease to beat it with her fists Blindly for some time till it was still. And then she took the body to her bed And kept it with her there all through the night. When morning came she hid it in the shed. BUT YOU, I BEG YOU, CHECK YOUR WRATH AND SCORN, FOR MAN NEEDS HELP FROM EVERY CREATURE BORN. Marie Farrer, born in April, An unmarried mother, convicted, died in The Meissen penitentiary. She brings home to you all men's sin. You, who bear pleasantly between clean sheets And give the name "blessed" to your womb's weight, Must not damn the weakness of the outcast, For her sin was black but her pain was great. THEREFORE, I BEG YOU, CHECK YOUR WRATH AND SCORN FOR MAN NEEDS HELP FROM EVERY CREATURE BORN |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Donuel Date: 09 Feb 18 - 06:38 AM Jim Carrol , You have touched the electrified third rail of abortion. It has been said that no aborted fetus ever goes on to do anything. Again there are exceptions, after all this is earth. There have been survivors. What would you expect the survivors would say? What do you think an abortion survivor would say about the procedure, rights and laws? I would say the mother holds all the cards but society pretends it is the dealer of the card game. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Jim Carroll Date: 09 Feb 18 - 06:55 AM I didn't touch on anything - Brecht wrote that beautiful display of humanity, not me, for which he has my undying respect The question of pregnancy termination ("the term abortion having been hi-jacked by the fundamentalists, should be incarcerated in the same prison as 'lunatic" and "spastic") " and all its fundamentalist connotations, is deserving a of a thread of its own (no doubt to be closed by that same fundamentalism) Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Senoufou Date: 09 Feb 18 - 07:23 AM That was incredibly moving Jim. The poor lassie. And certainly a sort of 'thread killer' because one is lost for words after reading it. To me, it was more about rejection, suffering, moral condemnation and extreme poverty. And being driven beyond endurance by overwhelming circumstances. The abortion question is almost a secondary issue, though obviously a driving factor in the tragedy of her life. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Jim Carroll Date: 09 Feb 18 - 07:39 AM "That was incredibly moving Jim" It is indeed Sen We used to use it regularly in feature evenings along with the adult and children's' versions of The Cruel mother on either side Pat is a great reader of poems, yet even she, along with the audience, was often reduced to tears after a reading Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: beardedbruce Date: 09 Feb 18 - 07:55 AM A very moving poem. Thank you, Jim Carroll, for posting it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Donuel Date: 09 Feb 18 - 01:51 PM Jim I am not a fundamentalist yet I am an abortion survivor. If the word is politically tinged like 'illegal alien' so be it but being only a survivor is already taken by holocaust victims or reality show contestants. Without exception we are all born survivors of war, plagues and an inherently violent universe. We simply differ by variations of certain abundancies and deficiencies. I am neither defined by a single experience or inclined to identify with victimhood. We are simply out here in surprising numbers, a testament to the tenacity of life like a flower in cracked concrete. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Jim Carroll Date: 09 Feb 18 - 02:59 PM "Jim I am not a fundamentalist yet I am an abortion survivor." Lucky old you I know of women who died here because they were denied a life-saving termination because "we live n a Christian country" Several children over the last decade or so were forced to go through pregnancy despite the fact they had been raped - by family members or strangers One particularly nasty case involved an eleven year old daughter of itinerant land-workers who had been awarded two sexually transmitted diseases by her rapist yet was forced to undergo a life-threatening birth and told by her church to "embrace her martyrdom" Pregnancy termination is not about the likelihood off survival or future health of foetuses - it involves all sorts of often heartrending decisions If society is happy to send millions of young people to die on the battlefield or turn refugees back to murderous regimes or wars or certain starvation... or refuse to maintain a health sevice which is at present killing patients off through neglect and under-funding - then there has to be room for women to choose not give birth - up to an agreed point. We are still dominated by a Religion that covered up clerical child rape for many decades, still regards contraception as evil and is at present opposing law reforms that will enable Ireland to arrive at somewhere in the mid twentieth century compared to the rest of the civilised world I think it high time that such people learned to stay out of other people's bedrooms - that goes for all such voyeurs Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: keberoxu Date: 09 Feb 18 - 03:21 PM ....and if that doesn't kill this thread, then what does? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Jim Carroll Date: 09 Feb 18 - 03:30 PM I'm afraid you may be right - doesn't make it any less true though Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Donuel Date: 09 Feb 18 - 03:58 PM Lucky old you, I had to walk to school in the snow uphill both ways. and, although you did not ask, my mom survived too. Jim, There is nothing wrong with being the voice for those who did not survive. In fact there is a gallantry. Instead of using the tone of anger and fear alone, for those who can not scream for themselves, I suggest you reserve a tone for us who are still alive and are sustained and motivated by love. That is - Unless you have Asperger's syndrome and have an inability to relate to flesh and blood people. So the real question is who or what victimized you and your family? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Donuel Date: 09 Feb 18 - 04:05 PM Your brand of passionate empathy seems to come from a place very personal. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Donuel Date: 09 Feb 18 - 04:07 PM who hurt you |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Senoufou Date: 09 Feb 18 - 04:12 PM Er...just a moment Donuel. My niece has Aspergers syndrome and is the most caring, kind and loving person I know. Just last week she was so sad to see a homeless woman begging in the snow outside her place of work that she paid for her to have a night in a B&B, to enjoy the warmth and use a shower etc. She booked the woman in herself and made sure she was comfortable. I was so proud of her. Where do you get the idea from that Aspergers people have no ability to feel for others? Regarding termination of pregnancy, I'm in the pro-choice camp. It's a woman's choice (ANY pregnant woman of ANY age) whether to proceed or not with a pregnancy. Terminations should be available under safe conditions with no stigma attached to the situation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Jim Carroll Date: 09 Feb 18 - 07:13 PM "There is nothing wrong with being the voice for those who did not survive." I didn't say there was We are talking about controlled termination of pregnancy fort many reasons - nobody is specifying getting rid of a child because it might not be health - certainly I'm not Sex has many functions, procreation being only one of them "you did not ask, my mom survived too." I did not ask because I have no idea what your personal circumstances are Ending pregnancy within a restricted period is, as far as I'm concerned is a permissible act on the basis of the information that is privy to us The same with rape, incest and a threat to the mother's life (in most circumstances) It's a bit of a a cliché but modern society has decided that a woman has the right to control over her own body - again, up to a point - I've no problem with that IT is she who has to bear the child and usually, it is she who has to bear the responsibility for it - as a rule, men don't and are usually the ones to walk away from a difficult (or them) relationship Society, by and large, leaves the burden on the parent - usually the woman Usually. it is men who pontificate about it and draw up the rules - In thee case of the churches - the most vociferous and influential groups, it is largely elderly, supposedly celibate men at that. I'm with Sen 100% on this My empathy comes from my humanism (with a small "m") I came from a poor, but caring family environment where we were all loved equally - but we were surrounded by families who weren't that lucky - 'sink' estates tended to be like that, largely because of the fact that they were sited in the most deprived areas Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Donuel Date: 09 Feb 18 - 09:08 PM Jim you mentioned people 'here' have lost their lives due to religious dictates and extreme political prejudice. While avatars obscures names do you recall anything more about the victims? I recall Quakers who posted here that became victimized in Iraq. In my eyes your post has a worrisome side possibly due to a cultural disconnect or fatigue. I'll just focus on your factual knowledge side while abdicating my unintentional thread killing ability and declare you the reigning champion. It seems your aim overall is historic outrage while mine is originality and fascist warnings. Am I right? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Jim Carroll Date: 10 Feb 18 - 04:30 AM "I recall Quakers who posted here that became victimized in Iraq." As an atheist I don't concern myself with one brand name or another - persecution is persecution, whoever the perpetrators or victims are - one certainly doesn't justify another, as is often argued My concern is for the lack of humanity being shown in the name of one god against believers in another - surely fascism on a celestial level My Heaven Uber Alles God help us all Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Donuel Date: 10 Feb 18 - 08:39 AM When Steve Shaw comes to this pub he often drinks Atheist Light but you pound down 200 proof Atheism straight up. I laugh at myself for drinking an Atheist smoothie. Of the fifty shades of atheism yours is the darkest. I'll remind you that dark is a hard sell. fear and anger is what fundamentalists and fascists use. Eventually it is to our advantage to make their fear and anger strategy the enemy and a tell tail of criminals. So jesushrike on a stick lighten up like - celestial fascist uber alles. that's kinda funny. Religion is most vulnerable now . Just look at 'The Mega Church of Perpetual Mulligans'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Donuel Date: 10 Feb 18 - 12:03 PM The time is right for an atheist 'minister' to lead the flock of non believing church goers to greener truthful pastures. Not to an old morality but a morality everyone can feel 'Me too' and feel dignity again. To not follow a figure but agree with a Moral person who is truthful. In time more will agree. The pillars of democracy that are being nearly toppled will be held up by the hands of the new truthful. The choice between criminal political religion OR join the truth movement will be an easy choice, even for some of the old believers. The stumbling block of abortion&guns will have to be resolved for this reformation to succeed. This where I need more clever minds than mine to seek a good resolution. As you see most people will fall silent and actually help the transformation and mutual concessions. The social movement of 'me too', truthism and resist is breaking open a crack in the concrete wall of oppression and victimization. The time is as ripe as it gets to have a mutually beneficial revolution. Do not think of this as a Manifesto, think of this as where we are today. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Donuel Date: 10 Feb 18 - 12:41 PM Bill Mahre for atheist minister. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Jim Carroll Date: 11 Feb 18 - 04:13 AM Inarticulate ramblings should be a mandatory thread killer - unfortunately it is not Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Donuel Date: 11 Feb 18 - 09:37 AM Seriously the Evangelical Christian World is in for a rough ride as a result of Trumpism. A clever self appointed reformer could lead many into a meaningful reformation away from Trumpism. I thought you might be a spiteful tool for good but here you merely sound like a tool and write ad hominum insults just like Trump. Also like Trump, you need a Mulligan since you're in an unplayable stylistic rut. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Jim Carroll Date: 11 Feb 18 - 09:49 AM "Seriously the Evangelical Christian World is in for a rough ride as a result of Trumpism" The Christian church in general is having a rough ride thanks to its own behavour regarding child-rape - if you hadn't noticed. "ad hominum insults" I come from a Christian (Irish Catholic) background I criticise what is happening - I never insult without reason What has happened has effected members of my own family directly and has thrown many, along with friends and neighbours into a crisis of belief If you find that unworthy of comment, you are very much in a minority Go count the empty churches Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: keberoxu Date: 12 Feb 18 - 04:59 PM Another Mudcat Tavern thread has now been CLOSED. It's one thing to let the thread ease off, but it's closed. And when you pull up the thread and look at the last exchanges of posts thereon, you can see what closed it! I don't like it, not at all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Donuel Date: 12 Feb 18 - 05:32 PM keb you are seldom extremely explicit. But I think I get it. Jim you have come to expect unreasonable criticism too much. You have allies. Churches are empty. Evangelical churches of profitability are full. I would like to know if they are successful in empowering parishioners with real money. Or are they just fleeced? I am not above being a face in the crowd*. Being an honest face is a challenge to prove. Perhaps having no charisma but extremely honest can be a benefit. *old movie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Greg F. Date: 12 Feb 18 - 06:15 PM I don't like it, not at all. Take it up with BS-Bruce, whydontcha? Credit where credit is due, after all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: beardedbruce Date: 12 Feb 18 - 06:40 PM GregtrF follows me and makes comments, never contributing to a thread in a positive fashion. I have given up hoping that the mud elves would deal with him, so when he attacks me I defend myself. Here on mudcat, this seems not to be allowed for minorities. I"ll go to the back of the bus, and learn my proper place. Can't have any uppity conservatives around her, you know. How DARE I disagree with the GregtrF view of what must be? But he is STILL a lying scumbag son of a bitch. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Greg F. Date: 12 Feb 18 - 06:55 PM Q.E.D., keberoxu |
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Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers From: Stilly River Sage Date: 12 Feb 18 - 07:55 PM We can see who is a thread killer - three in one day, BB. A new record. |
