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copyright: somebody finally said it

leeneia 30 Jan 18 - 04:34 PM
leeneia 30 Jan 18 - 04:35 PM
Ged Fox 02 Feb 18 - 08:15 AM
GUEST,Rossey 02 Feb 18 - 08:51 AM
Big Al Whittle 02 Feb 18 - 09:23 AM
mg 02 Feb 18 - 05:38 PM
leeneia 03 Feb 18 - 04:30 PM
Andy7 03 Feb 18 - 04:51 PM
Big Al Whittle 03 Feb 18 - 05:32 PM
GUEST,paperback 06 Feb 18 - 06:17 PM
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Subject: copyright: somebody finally said it
From: leeneia
Date: 30 Jan 18 - 04:34 PM

I've been researching copyright law for my classical music club. I found this useful statement by the Law School of Duke University. It really cuts through the confusion surrounding U.S. copyrights.
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"The only works that are clearly in the US public domain now are those published before 1923. But what about works published after that date? Does that mean that they?re still under copyright? Well, maybe.

Citizens of the United States have to live with a frustrating lack of clarity about what older works they can use. Did the author comply with registration or renewal requirements when those were mandatory? The records are fragmentary and confused, the copyright holders hard to find.

Perhaps some post-1923 works by the authors above are in the public domain. Perhaps they are still copyrighted. We have to live in a fog of uncertainty, uncertainty that benefits no one."
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I've suspected something like this for a long time. It's good to see it verified. Next I'll put in the link.


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Subject: RE: copyright: somebody finally said it
From: leeneia
Date: 30 Jan 18 - 04:35 PM

Here's the page:

https://law.duke.edu/cspd/publicdomainday/


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Subject: RE: copyright: somebody finally said it
From: Ged Fox
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 08:15 AM

And pre-1923 is no guarantee of public domain status in UK. A friend of mine recently set "The Highwayman" (1906) to music. She acknowledged, and paid royalties on, the copyright due to the heirs of Alfred Noyes, the poem's author, who died in 1958.


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Subject: RE: copyright: somebody finally said it
From: GUEST,Rossey
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 08:51 AM

Ged Fox.. In the case of the UK and song ownership, Modern copyright is for 70 years after the death of the author/composer. If a work has more than one author/composer - then it is for 70 years after the last person involved died. If you have made a significant change to a trad. work - added lyrics or tune, then you can claim the arrangement of the work Trad Arr by. Or if really changed, claim the whole work as original. Modern copyright exists from when the work first appears in a fixed dated form, which is why it is usually the standard to put (C) - then e.g. 1962.


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Subject: RE: copyright: somebody finally said it
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 09:23 AM

things have to go wrong before you need worry. basically no one can afford to do battle with people who can afford to employ lawyers.

just do what you want and hope no one gives a damn.

i remember Peggy Seeger said to me when she published one of my songs in New City Songster, now your song is protected - no one can steal it.
I said, Peggy - I can't give the damn things away.

When you have a hit record. They pay you pretty much what they want - unless you're one of the big hitters like McCartney or Elton John.
Even The Beatles were paid sod all for years., until they got enough clout to demand a better deal.


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Subject: RE: copyright: somebody finally said it
From: mg
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 05:38 PM

i did what i thought was right and i still had a nasty problem with a nasty woman on my last cd. i had talked with a family member, i had paid for the license, and she came after me threatening lawyers etc. i guess she was the official contact and not her nephew. that was not easily ascertained nor did he tell me that. go through an agency if you can. fortunately i had only run off 50 copies with no case, so it was not terribly expensive. but i missed passing them out and selling them at fisher poets last year and had to throw the whole batch away. she was a fiend from hell. i do not think she had a legal leg to stand on though because this was done through the agency.


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Subject: RE: copyright: somebody finally said it
From: leeneia
Date: 03 Feb 18 - 04:30 PM

There are no laws to punish someone who claims a copyright they are not entitled to. I once saw somebody claim copyright to one of the psalms from the Bible.


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Subject: RE: copyright: somebody finally said it
From: Andy7
Date: 03 Feb 18 - 04:51 PM

One of my own compositions includes the line, "When I was a lad".

The copyright of the whole song obviously belongs to me. But the copyright of that well-used phrase? Hardly!

So how much of a song has to be 'copied', I wonder, before it's considered to be plagiarism?

It's probably impossible to arrive at a definitive answer; so it will always be a matter of judgement.

If I published a song that started, "Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away", I'd be an obvious plagiarist.

But how about if my song started, "Once, I was carefree"?
"Yesterday, I was carefree"?
"Yesterday, I had no troubles"?
"Yesterday, troubles were far from me"?


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Subject: RE: copyright: somebody finally said it
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Feb 18 - 05:32 PM

interesting mg......i suppose the law is there for a reason, and it will always be the assholes who resort to the law. god knows when a corporation steals from you all the professional bodies are conscientiously useless.

they're only really there for the Paul MacCartneys of this world.


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Subject: RE: copyright: somebody finally said it
From: GUEST,paperback
Date: 06 Feb 18 - 06:17 PM

The Sir Paul MacCartneys of this world.

He done his duty show a little respect.


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