BS: Irish jokes!

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Feb 18 - 08:06 PM

Make it a locked room then . No 50 shades reference intended, ick.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 06 Feb 18 - 06:15 PM

I didn't know he was into BDSM

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Feb 18 - 05:35 PM

I know what is funny.
Its when someone else falls down a manhole or telling Don Rickle jokes to a restrained Jim Carrol until he laughs.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Feb 18 - 04:05 PM

My favorite Belgian joke-from-the-French-point-of-view involves fries, of course, and cannot be told, it must be acted out.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: BobL
Date: 06 Feb 18 - 03:59 AM

It was, IIRC, Dave Allen who explained during a discussion on such jokes that, in essence, the Irish have two languages, and that "Irishisms" happen when English words are given the connotations of their Gaelic equivalents or vice versa. Which is interesting as the same could be said of at least some other butt-of-jokes nationalities - e.g. Belgians, Newfoundlanders. However the doesn't seem to apply to the Swiss.

Neither does it explain the story of the Irishman who cut the end off an overlong extending ladder - which the manager of the hire shop swore was true.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Feb 18 - 10:22 AM

OK, puns are funny and don't poke fun an anyone. But most jokes do, yet many of them are funny and in poor taste/offensive.

I still don't find most terrorism jokes funny, but that doesn't mean I think nobody should be allowed to tell them. People who know me don't tell them to me, and that's enough.

By the same token, keep your sexist and racist jokes out of the office, but not necessarily out of your lives, if they are funny, the jokes I mean, not your lives.

Why don't women have brains? Because they don't have a penis to carry'm around in! is a funny joke you can't tell at the office, even though it is funny. Yes it's sexist, but it's still funny.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Vic Smith
Date: 05 Feb 18 - 09:23 AM

Here's one that did make me laugh?

What's black and blue and floats in the Irish Sea?

People who tell Irish jokes!"

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Feb 18 - 05:56 PM

Libertarian people of no race whatsoever have the freedom to be offended by everything.

Extinct races like the Tasmanians have nothing to say or be offended about.

The Irish race to procreate aggravates the advocates of pedigree and class but there isn't a mongrel from Donegal who is neither comical or prodigal when asked.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 04 Feb 18 - 09:12 AM

Mrrzy: "Um, it was Mary, not Jesus, who was coceived immaculately."

Yes, Mary's conception without Original Sin is the whole point of the joke. As a former teacher, I could empathize with Jesus' thinking, "The ONE person who ever lived who could spoil my lesson, and she shows up."

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 04 Feb 18 - 09:08 AM

Well, as long as it's Sunday, in the interest of ecumenicism: As a Buddhist, I found these two pretty funny.

Q. What did the Buddhist say to the sandwich vendor at the ball game?
A. Make me one with everything!

. . . . . . . . . . .

After the man received his sandwich, he gave the vendor a $20 bill. The vendor just smiled. The Buddhist demanded, "Where is my change?"
The vendor replied, "O, one with everything, change comes from within."

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Feb 18 - 09:05 AM

Um, it was Mary, not Jesus, who was coceived immaculately. That is why she could be the mother of god. If you buy into any of that.
I just got to visit our old family friend who was the Peace Corps doctor who saved my life when I got malaria in the 60s. I should have died, they all said.
I am in the field that finds "in poor taste" and "offensive" to be fairly synonymous. But what is funny about jokes that aren't poking fun at *something*?

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 04 Feb 18 - 08:51 AM

Thanks Jackaroodave for your post and your comment about Flanders and Swann , spot on
My Mudcat "Wee Frees" should have been   "Mudcat Wee Frees" I think you know who I mean. My comment was about the attitude of banning anything enjoyable rather than anything religious.

I would refer those who don't know about it to the song
The story that I started at the Kirk Soiree
I'm sure Flanders and Swann would have appreciated this too

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 04 Feb 18 - 08:50 AM

That's what I suspected, Senoufou. So if the joke is also a dig at the PFC and other Protestants, it has more layers than I thought.

When I was active in the Portland (Maine) Food Co-Op buying club, I picked up and delivered a friend's order on Passover as a Pesach goy. Not quite a Shabbos goy, but similar.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Senoufou
Date: 04 Feb 18 - 08:24 AM

Protestants in general and particularly the Wee Frees do NOT subscribe to the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception. There is no scripture to support it, and they believe that only Jesus was conceived without 'sin'.
I was much amused Jackaroodave (but not surprised) to see that their website is closed on a Sunday!
When I lived in Edinburgh as a student, I lodged for a time with a Presbyterian family, and one Sunday foolishly did a bit of hand-washing of underwear in my little sink. When I went outside to hang it on the washing line, all hell broke loose. One would think I was dancing naked in the garden.
I was told in no uncertain terms never, ever to do such a wicked thing again. With trembling hand I unpegged my little vest, knickers and bra and slunk indoors.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 04 Feb 18 - 08:08 AM

Kenny B: "That should really appeal to the Mudcat "Wee Frees"
They will be banning fighting and cannibalism next and even posting on Mudcat a view contrary to theirs"

I was puzzled by the reference to the Free Presbyterian Church, so I went to their website to check on their views about the Immaculate Conception, but it was closed for the Sabbath. No joke.

Question: Is Cannibalism allowed on mudcat?

It would seem that Cannibalism should be allowed. As Herodotus testifies,

"When Darius was king of Persia, he summoned the Greeks at his court, and asked them what they would take to eat the dead bodies of their fathers. They replied that they would not do it for any money in the world. Later, in the presence of the Greeks, he asked some Indians, Callatiae, who do in fact eat their parents' dead bodies, what they would take to burn them. They uttered a cry of horror and forbade him to mention such a dreadful thing. One can see by this what custom can do."

On the contrary, Cannibalism is not allowed, for as the learned doctors Swan and Flanders note, "Eating people is wrong."

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Senoufou
Date: 04 Feb 18 - 07:47 AM

Oh my Lord Bonzo, a dentist is no joke, especially on a Sunday.
Good luck with that!

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 04 Feb 18 - 07:15 AM

Kenny B's joke about Mary's immaculate conception sounds like a Catholic insider joke to me, since without a knowledge of that dogma, it has no point. As such, except for the superfluous first five words, I enjoyed it, though not a Catholic; theological jokes are rare on the ground.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immaculate_Conception

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 04 Feb 18 - 06:46 AM

Thanks Senoufou, that's a relief! We are off to see our dentist for some torture - on a Sunday???

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 04 Feb 18 - 06:45 AM

During Jesus's tour of Ireland a woman was crouching in a corner with a crowd around her preparing to stone her to death. Jesus stopped them and said, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." Suddenly a woman at the back of the crowd fired off a stone at the adulteress. At which point Jesus looked over and said, "Mother! Sometimes you really pis me off!".

That should really appeal to the Mudcat "Wee Frees"
They will be banning fighting and cannibalism next and even posting on Mudcat a view contrary to theirs

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Senoufou
Date: 04 Feb 18 - 06:21 AM

That's okay Bonzo. I've always liked you and I'm glad you meant no harm.
I've enjoyed all the funny jokes on here. It's like pulling Christmas crackers and reading the jokes inside.

Oh, and 100. (No, not my age, post number 100!

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 04 Feb 18 - 04:49 AM

My goodness Senoufou, I'm so sorry about your brother in law, no wonder you are upset by my post, it was just a play on words written by a comedian.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 04 Feb 18 - 04:44 AM

Murphy came home to his Mrs and said 'Did you know that O'Reilly next door got a vasectomy""? She replied ~" Nooo, he didn't keep his Nissan long then'!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 04 Feb 18 - 02:39 AM

When I worked in Ireland the locals I worked with constantly told the same "jokes" I knew ad Irish jokes.... But with Kerrymen as the target! Go figure.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: robomatic
Date: 03 Feb 18 - 11:20 PM

Rollo is telling mule-skinner jokes to Ryan, who is a mule skinner. Finally Ryan's had enough. "Listen, give me a break, tell me a joke about people other than mule skinners!"
Rollo: "Okay, who do you want in the joke, then?"
Ryan: "Oh, make it about saddle tramps. Can you do that for me?"
Rollo: "Certainly my man, okay, let's see. Got it! There's these two saddle tramps, see?"
Ryan: "Yeah?"
Rollo: "And they're skinnin' this mule, see?" . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: meself
Date: 03 Feb 18 - 07:13 PM

Oh! That makes it okay, then ..............................

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 03 Feb 18 - 05:50 PM

In reality it's just Jimmy Carr playing on words and how they're structured in a sentence. He does it all the time and is a master at it.?

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 03 Feb 18 - 05:45 PM

Jimmy Carr's mosquito nets joke!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 03 Feb 18 - 03:31 PM

It’s not my joke, it’s Jimmy Carr’s.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Feb 18 - 03:14 PM

What do you people expect
For crying ot loud let him strew in his own swill - you're just giving him what he wants - he's using you to get himself off
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Senoufou
Date: 03 Feb 18 - 02:30 PM

Bonzo that is absolutely disgusting and I'm surprised at your insensitivity.
My husband's young brother died of malaria.
How could you post something so cruel!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Feb 18 - 01:58 PM

Not nice, Bonzo, not funny, not appropriate, not tasteful.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 03 Feb 18 - 01:45 PM

African joke - If only Africa had more mosquito nets, then every year we could save millions of mosquitos dying needlessly of AIDS.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Thompson
Date: 03 Feb 18 - 01:09 PM

Still waiting to read a joke on this thread that makes me laugh.

The "people have lost their sense of humour" trope always reminds me of a piece I read many years back by a woman who was treated to many jokes about her breasts by the engineers in her workplace.

If I have the story right, she came in one day with a T-shirt with "CRANE" printed on the front, over her bosom. Some of the men came up and asked her what it meant, and she said that it was because it was useful for erecting penises.

They didn't find it funny. She was sacked.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Senoufou
Date: 03 Feb 18 - 12:59 PM

Pole O'Mint - of Polish/Irish extraction.

It's most annoying when people make jokes about 'thick' Irish folk.
My mother (from Cork, with an extremely Irish name!) was a very very intelligent woman, and witty with it. She had a wonderful way with words and could imitate any accent perfectly. She also made us laugh with puns and wordplay, and could do difficult crosswords at breakneck speed. All her family were the same. And my nieces have inherited these traits too.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Feb 18 - 12:46 PM

We knew German bloke called Herman who loved swimming. Always referred to as Herman the German merman.

And my Dad always had Polo mints on him which he often offered round so his work colleagues used variations of the Pole with a mint - Honest!

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Senoufou
Date: 03 Feb 18 - 12:16 PM

Maybe if he'd been a composer of music he'd have been more bearable.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Senoufou
Date: 03 Feb 18 - 12:00 PM

Hahaha Steve!
I used to be polite and speak a bit of German to him. When Ronda finally dumped him (and who could blame her?) he had the absolute cheek to ask her for my phone number, as he said he actually fancied me more than her!
Not just a banker but a w*****!!

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Feb 18 - 06:55 AM

"He was called Hans-Werner"

Look, no Henze?


(Cultural joke...)

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Feb 18 - 06:28 AM

"Great Irish joke!!!"
In reference to the "miserable" accusation earlier, surely the most miserable people on the planet are those who need to seek out racial or social inferiors to justify their own existence
Anonymous trolls who are too ashamed to reveal their identity are surely the lowes form of this spevies
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 03 Feb 18 - 06:17 AM

Great Irish joke!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 03 Feb 18 - 06:06 AM

Mrs Murphys' husband Mick, worked at the Guinness Brewery in Dublin. The police (guarda) arrived at her door which she answered. 'To be sure Mrs Murphy, we have to tell you that your husband Mick died this afternoon in a vat of Guinness' said one of the men. 'OH NO' said Mrs Murphy. 'Did he die quickly'?..... 'No' said the Guarda man. 'He got out three times for a pee'

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Feb 18 - 04:15 AM

"Maybe that is why you are so miserable."
Nom me who has to go through life talking down to individuals and other races to prove prove I am superior
Nothing misrable about my life or my music - on the contrary - I'll end my life happy hoping that others will be lucky enough to do the same
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Senoufou
Date: 03 Feb 18 - 03:51 AM

Many years ago one of my friends, Ronda, had a German boyfriend. He was called Hans-Werner, and never have I met a more humourless individual.
He was a banker from Munich and had the characteristic that, if asked his opinion, he just gave it, no holds barred.

We were all going out to dinner together, and Ronda appeared in a very nice outfit. She had bright red hair and always looked super. She foolishly asked him if he liked her dress. He replied,
"You are much too fett Ronda, und so it is much too teit. You need to loosss a lot ov weight."

We called him Hans, Knees and Boomps-a-daisy behind his back.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: robomatic
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 10:40 PM

I was visiting an American friend in Munich, in his flat, with a German friend when the subject of ethnic jokes came up. My American friend made the comment that Americans tell Polish jokes. With no hint of a smile the German guy said:

"Vee do not find ze Poles to be zat Humorous!"

Maybe you had to be there.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 09:02 PM

Not the theatre-goers, I hasten to add. Plymouth City Council. Cynical moneygrabbing gits.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 07:31 PM

Jim hasn't got a miserable bone on his body.

Just been to the ballet at Theatre Royal in Plymouth. Parking for the evening show has just cost me six quid, and that was after queuing at the car park ticket machine in a cold street for half an hour as everyone came out at once. The bastards.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Iains
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 05:43 PM

" stereotyping bullshit like this is an indication of people who don't have to earn their living from the use of a vehicle"
I guess you walk around with your eyes shut. Maybe that is why you are so miserable.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 05:35 PM

Now that is funny.

The rental place in Ireland was amazed that we Yanks brought the car back undamaged... had apparently never yet happened. But I was taught to drive by French West African traffic, maybe that helped, though I only drove every other day.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 05:24 PM

The cork is no problem at all at all once it's out of the bottle!!

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 05:13 PM

where the use of a car is a necessity, and is recognised as such by the authorities, I have no hesitation in choosing wheer is the most pleasant and convenient place to live
Parking in Britain is somewhere between predatory business and a blood sport - stereotyping bullshit like this is an indication of people who don't have to earn their living from the use of a vehicle
For a major city, Cork has no major traffic problem - unlike any city in Britain
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 05:08 PM

"it is not so much parking as abandonment "
I really don't know wheer this garbage comes from
Having lived in London for thirty years where parking was a serious barrier to earning a living and no, after twenty years in Ireland, where

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Iains
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 05:00 PM

From what I have seen of parking in Ireland, it is not so much parking as abandonment of vehicles. In west Cork a single yellow line is taken to mean" please park here", and a double yellow line means double parking allowed, especially on market days.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 04:06 PM

An Englishman visiting an Irish village in the middle of nowhere noticed some roads had single yellow lines, and some had double yellow lines. He asked a local sitting outside the pub to explain the difference between single and double yellow lines. The local said " well, a single yellow line means no parking at all, and a double yellow lines means no parking at all, at all!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Senoufou
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 03:34 PM

And we love you too!

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 03:27 PM

Oh, c'mon gnu. You know you love us :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: gnu
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 03:01 PM

Figured I'd open this thread and get a laugh or two. Nope. Same old Mudcat. Oh, well. Back to Facebook.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 11:21 AM

I agree that "offensive" is not a useful or accurate term. It summons up the image of Margaret Dumont getting huffy with Groucho Marx.

But I wouldn't call a racist joke "poor taste" either.

Tim Lehrer's song about necrophilia, "I Hold Your Hand in Mine" is in (deliberate) poor taste.

Telling poop jokes at the dinner table is offensive (to me anyway).

Racist jokes are cruel, and historically, like racial epithets, they have been a tool for social control--for ingroup solidarity and for teaching outgroups to "know their place."

I can recall ni**er jokes, jokes about Asians, Jews, Polacks, and hillbillies from my youth, told not even with a mock apology, but with a knowing wink and a grin. I'm very thankful that in the company I keep, it's no longer acceptable to do so.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 11:03 AM

I guess I know a lot of insecure people.

I am having an argument over whether one can compare racism and sexism, I am on the Yes side. Sigh.

Some people need their senses of humor back. And some jokes might just not be funny. It may not be racism or anti-semetism to bring up Schindler, but that name is likely to be associated with things that aren't (yet? Who said comedy=tragedy+time?) funny to a lot of people.

On the other hand, I find a lot of things funny that others don't. I like life better that way.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 10:10 AM

"There are some on here who take offense at anything and everything you say for a start."
I'm happy to give them cause to do so Dave - stops me nodding off over the keyboard
Seriously, I know very few people who deliberately set out to take offence - that is a sign of insecurity
Back to the point
Gradually people are relising the hurtful, even dangerous weapon some types of humour can be
Since the Savile/Weinstein news hit the fan, there has been a conscious effort to curb sexist humour - the more revelations, the greater the objection
I doubt if there are many "Mummy, mummy, I've been graped" type jokes around following the paedphile scandals hit the fan - they were common in the workplace throughout my working life   
I'm far from a PC prude, but it really is about time society cleaned up its act
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 09:59 AM

Oh but you do, Jim. There are some on here who take offense at anything and everything you say for a start. Well, pretend to anyway ;-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 09:22 AM

"I think as many people go out of their way to be offended"
I don't know many, if any
I know plenty who consider some things more than others do and end up being labelled PC
Different thing altogether
"published in Ireland (that is, the Republic) by Irish publishers. "
Quite often compiled by Irish Americans - it's referred to as "the Irish Uncle Tom syndrome"
America produces 'Polak' jokes or "hillbilly" in the same way - there are still - "acceptable racism"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Senoufou
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 09:15 AM

I know Dave, it's as if they're constantly playing 'Spot The Insult' for a cash prize!

It's rather akin to the objections to wolf-whistles and not opening doors for women any more.

The world is constantly changing. As pocket philosophers say, 'This too shall pass'.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 09:09 AM

I think as many people go out of their way to be offended as set out to deliberately offend people.

Just my view.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Senoufou
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 09:05 AM

Humour is a funny thing isn't it? (no joke intended)
There have been screeds of analyses of what makes people laugh and why.
It's a fascinating subject.
And as shown by Dave's clickie, times change and humour which was once hilarious becomes a bit non-PC.

I remember the series 'It Ain't 'Alf 'Ot Mum' where the sergeant-major called one of the squad 'poof' numerous times. And the punkah-wallah was actually a white bloke blacked-up. How we laughed...
And Mrs Slocum's pussy. And every Carry On film ever made. Not to mention Benny Hill. And Julie Walters' 'elderly waitress' character.

I spend much of my life chuckling, but even I notice that one has to be careful of others' feelings.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 08:55 AM

I have several books of jokes about the Irish -- published in Ireland (that is, the Republic) by Irish publishers. The Irish folks I know find them funny.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 08:45 AM

1970?s comedy writers apologise for not accurately predicting which jokes would be acceptable in 2018

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 08:38 AM

I put the funny joke I learned on the Star Trek cruise on the other thread.

I heard a Borg joke - what's a Borg's favorite art form? I thought the answer would be Art is irrelevant but it was Cubism.

Racist and funny IS possible.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 08:35 AM

"i do not see how you can tolerate the schindler joke and get all offended about something"
It really isn't about my being 'offended' - the argument is whether one is racist or not
The name Schindler invokes the Holocaust in some - it provokes argument with others; some have argued that Schindler profited by the use of free Jewish Labour - not a stance I take, by the way
His name was largely forgotten until Thomas Kenneally published his book; he was first recognised by Israel nearly two decades after the War ended.
It took a blockbuster Hollywood film, by a major director to even recognise his mane.
My sole concern in posting my objection was based on the OPs record of trolling by making outrageous statements
As it is, I'm delighted with the opportunity it has provided to discuss humour in this manner - a subject that, related to my interest in the tradition, consumes a great deal of my work
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Senoufou
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 07:31 AM

I agree with what you say, Jim and Dave. It's all about taste and the audience who are hearing the jokes.
The very name Schindler evokes the Holocaust to some.
Dark humour has its place though, in discharging tensions and helping people to cope.
I just feel one has to consider the recipients of certain jokes so as to avoid offence. Being aware is the key.

And people seem to be more sensitive nowadays, almost on the lookout for racism, sexism et al in order to complain. A bit 'snowflaky' in some ways.

An example:-

My grandfather fought in WW1, and when I was very small he often used to relate seeing his comrade's head getting shot off, and as it rolled away he said it 'winked' at him. He thought this was hilariously funny, and no-one asked him to stop telling me, a little girl, over and over about it.
We were more robust in days gone by.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: mg
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 07:22 AM

i do not see how you can tolerate the schindler joke and get all offended about something i find innocuous in the irish one ..and i am of irish descent. i would not call it racist but rather just horrid in general.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 07:19 AM

"we are not in agreement about the Schindler joke."
You think it's racist then?
Explain why
'in poor taste'
I agree Sen, all 'dark humour' is in poor taste Sen - that's why some people find it funny
There' a whole psychological science around why people feel certain things funny
MacColl and Seeger recorded jokes from miners for the programme 'The Big Hewer', at least half of them were about pit accidents and lung diseases.
A typical one from the North east was about the 'Bevin Boys' - young unemployed schoool leavers who were put to work in the pits during WW2 - remombered among miners for their inexperience.
It was the practice in the pits that if a fatality occured, the men would be given a day off in respect for the deceased
"Two of these Bevin Boys were sent down to help look for survivors after a pit-fall - they discovered two dead miners in the rubble.
One said to the other, "Tell you what, let's take one up now and leave the other till later, then we can have two days off"
The miners on the recording found that hilarious
There are dozens of these on a tape I was given by Ewan.
Trench humour even appeared in cartoon form during WW1 - I got dozens of 'dark jokes' from a WW1 veteran, the first time I ever went out with a tape recorder
Some of the Norfolk fishermen gave us jokes about sinking fishing boats
Folklorist, Gershon Legman, devoted a whole section of one of his book to necrophobic sex
I hear many from Jewish friends when I lived in Manchester
Maybe I might have found them offensive when told by non-Jews, but as jokes, they were a very strong part of Jewish culture among those I knw
All this is 'dark' stuff and not to e=everybody's taste - I think it is described as "survival humour" - a way of coping with dangerous occupations and situations - not to everyone's taste admittedly
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 06:47 AM

But it is not a joke about Schindler. It is a play on words on the book and film Schindler's List.

An Englishman, an Irishman and a Scotsman walk into a pub. The barman said 'Is this some kind of joke?'.

This is not a joke about Englishmen, Irishmen, Scotsmen or barmen. It is not racist even though it mentions nationalities nor is it it sexist because it does not say English person etc. It is not stereotyping, it is a joke about a joke. I am sure someone will take offense though...

Ernest. Did you ever hear someone say 'Oh yes, he is a very clever person' and fully understand that it was not their intention to praise them?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: mg
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 06:36 AM

we are not in agreement about the schindler joke.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Senoufou
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 06:19 AM

I think, rather than the using the word 'racist' quite so much these days, the expression 'in poor taste' fits the situation better.

To me, jokes about Schindler (who like it or not was involved in saving Jews from the death camps) are in poor taste. So are jokes implying that the Irish are thick, and mocking their accent etc.
There are jokes about the elderly, about 'blondes' (ditsy etc) and they could all be said to be in poor taste.
They could still make one laugh, but if they upset someone, then better not use them.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 06:12 AM

"gives the policeman a clever answer."
Clever - Really???
Sound's pretty stupid to me
In context of who posted it, I have little doubt iof what was intended
His reputation goes before him
Pleaed we are in agreement about the Schindler Joke
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 05:22 AM

Did anyone understand the irony in my first post?

I guess not. Like jokes, if you need to explain, it is not worth telling.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Ernest
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 05:00 AM

ok, I have to explain it again:

In my mind neither the Schindler joke nor the Irishman joke are racist.
Only according to Jims initial statement (second post of this thread) they are.

As Jim stated later on: "Racist humour is designed to take the piss out of entire races or ethnic communities by presenting them a stereotypically, dirty, stupid, dishonest, treacherous..... In the case of Irish jokes, stupidity and cultural backwardness is the recurring theme2". This also doesn´t apply to the thread-opening joke - on the contrary, the Irishman in question gives the policeman a clever answer.

Did anyone understand the irony in my first post?

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 04:37 AM

Just to redress the balance:-

A man goes into a pub in Ireland and asks for a pint of Guinness. "Guinness?" says the barman, "Do you know how long that takes to pour? I've got other customers waiting".

He gets his pint and offers a 20 Euro note."Have you not got anything smaller? We've only just opened. You're going to take all my change".

After a while sitting in silence, the man asks the barman if they ever have any music on. "Music?" he replies, "this is a pub. It's for drinking. People sitting round listening to music cut into my profits".

Taken aback, the man says "I thought pubs were supposed to be friendly in Ireland".
"Ah well," says the barman, "that's because we are an English theme pub".


DC

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 03:30 AM

" I find the reference to Schindler's list offensive..."
Maybe not - many people don't like 'dark humour' yet it's common enough, among soldiers particularly - I happen to like that sort of humpur - I've put numerous ones up on the joke threads
Basically, it's not about the Holocaust anyway, it's about a film title - Thomas Keneally's book on which the film was based is entitled Shchindler's Ark
Whatever the joke is, it is not racist.
Racist humour is designed to take the piss out of entire races or ethnic communities by presenting them a stereotypically, dirty, stupid, dishonest, treacherous..... In the case of Irish jokes, stupidity and cultural backwardness is the recurring theme, SEE HERE
The Schindler joke does none of those things
There are thousands of jokes about nationalities, some of them deliberately racist, others complementary - the best satire is based on it
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 03:16 AM

Who is anyone to pontificate that a joke is racist??? The whole point is to make people laugh.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 02:53 AM

Aaaaggghhhhh!

The Schindler joke is neither racist nor anything to do with the holocaust. it is a pun. A play on words. List/Pissed.

As I often comment, it seems some people speak a different English to others. If nothing else this thread may help to highlight that fact.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: DMcG
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 02:16 AM

Brilliant, Rap, that really made me laugh.

And I don't understand a word of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 11:12 PM

Bhí Pádraig agus Michéal sa teach tabhairne ag ól agus bhí siad go maith. Bhí siad ag feachaint tríd an bhfuinneog ar an teach transna an bhóthair. Teach flapachain b'ea é.

Thánig duine nó béirt, ó am go ham, agus tríd sa doras t¡ leo. Ansin chonaic Pádraig an tUrramach Protastantúnach ag teacht agus isteach sa teach leis.

"An bhfuil sé gan náire, fear Dia mar sin?", arsa Michéal.

Ansin tagann Raibi Giudach agus isteach sa theach leis.

"An bhfuil sé gan náire, fear Dia mar sin?", arsa Pádraig.

Ó bhí sé ag éirí deanach, d'éirigh Pádraig is Michéal, d'fhág siad síneadh láimhe, agus amach leo.

Ansin chonaic siad an sagart ag teacht agus isteach sa teach leis.

"Is trua sin", arsa an bhéirt. "Is doigh liom go bhfuil duine de na caíliní bochta istigh tinn. Tá an sagart ag dul a cuir Óla Dheanach uirthi."

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 10:50 PM

An old one, but a good one: Leigh anois go curamach ar do scrudphapeir na treoiracha agus na ceisteanna a ghabhann le cuid Á.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: mg
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 08:28 PM

I did not find the first Irish one offensive. I find the reference to Schindler's list offensive...I can't bring myself to chuckle at the Holocaust.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Joe_F
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 06:33 PM

Pat, a strapping young Irishman, goes to a construction site & inquires about a job that he has seen in the want ads. The foreman frowns: "This isn't a job for common laborer. You have to have the knowledge. You have to know a joist from a girder." "Sure and I have the knowledge," says Pat, "Joist wrote Ulysses, and Girder wrote Faust."

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 04:26 PM

LOL! That conjures up quite an image... ????

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 03:54 PM

Heh heh Backwoodsman. Nah. My husband says I'm very out of condition, due to far too many crumpets with butter. And there isn't a hoop large enough to go over my...er...rear end.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 03:46 PM

You must be fitter than me, Sen! ??

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 03:25 PM

Oh show me a hoop and through I leap! What is life if one can't jump through some hoops?

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 02:50 PM

"Hoops, people. It's not compulsory to jump through them."
No - but it's fun - for a time
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 02:08 PM

"you are trying to tell me that a joke about a drunken Irishman is racist while a joke about a drunken German is not."
Of cours it's not if the nationality of the character has no bearing on the joke
Do you really not know who Oskar Schindler was?
It's a ****** pun - "Schindler's List" - Schindler's pissed
Not as funny when you have to explain it to eeits
Jeeze
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 02:06 PM

Hoops, people. It's not compulsory to jump through them.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: meself
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 02:06 PM

There is nothing remotely "racist" about that German joke, Ernest - as you well know.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 02:04 PM

A man with tall trees in his garden decided to have them cut down, so he put a notice on his gate - Tree Fellers wanted. An hour later 3 Irish men walked by the notice and knocked on the man’s door. When he opened the door, one of the Irish said “you’re looking for tree fellas so here we are” !!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Ernest
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 02:02 PM

Jim, it must be in your head...

you are trying to tell me that a joke about a drunken Irishman is racist while a joke about a drunken German is not.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 02:02 PM

Yes! Stand well clear...!!

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Iains
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 01:52 PM

No doubt the touch paper is now glowing!

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 01:47 PM

40 gypsies arrive at the gates of heaven and St Peter walks up to them and says "there is only room for 12 of you so discus with each other who is coming in".

A little while later St Peter goes back to God - "they have gone" "what!? all 40!?" God shouts out in rage and St Peter replies "yep and so have the gates"

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 01:43 PM

Perhaps I should have just posted a gypsy joke!

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 01:35 PM

My favourite foreigner joke, harmless to boot!

I was at the Olympics and I met a bloke carrying a very long stick.

"Are you a pole vaulter?" I asked him.

"No, I'm a German, but how did you know my name is Walter?"


(It's a shite joke unless you pronounce "Walter" in German, by the way)

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 01:22 PM

Well I dived in as well, just after Jim.

Georgiansilver, don't forget I'm half English too! hee hee

I well remember in my Uni days giggling like anything at various very rude 'Rasta' jokes. (Wasn't his lady friend called 'Liza?) and watching the Black and White Minstrels (who were boring but my parents liked the old songs)
Nowadays, stereotype-jokes are avoided, and perhaps it's for the best.
I like a good laugh, but I'd never want to offend or upset anyone.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 12:10 PM

"And the fact that you were the first to respond, "
Thought I might nip it inthe bud
Mea culpa
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 11:37 AM

If you did that, people might have the same opinion of you that they have of Bonzo.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: meself
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 11:05 AM

Would anyone mind if I start a thread about jokes about Black people? I remember some from my childhood - they seemed funny back then ....

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 10:44 AM

Senoufou... this ones for you!.
Two English guys walk into an Irish pub. One goes to the bar, orders drinks and says to the barman 'Hey Mick, did you know that your Saint Patrick was an Englishman' ?. The Irishman being wise, played it down by saying ' To be sure sir, I didn't know that!'. English went back to his seat and told his friend he had tried to wind up the barman but had failed. 2nd Irishman goes to bar half an hour later. Says to the Irish barman, 'Did you know that your Saint Patrick, was the thickest idiot that ever lived'~? The wise Irish barman replied ' To be sure sir, your friend already told me that!

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 10:18 AM

And the fact that you were the first to respond, lets him know he hit his target.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 10:16 AM

The title that Bozo chose for the thread says all that needs to be said about his objective
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 10:08 AM

We have B'zo who enjoys winding people up, and then, we have people who enjoy being wound up. Seems consensual.

The first "Irish" joke has nothing to do with "Irish". The thread title was intended to poke vulnerable people, and was slightly successful.

The joke wouldn't have been less funny as:
A person was smoking outside the door of a pub.
A police-person approached them and said that they had to be at least 6 feet from the premises they were drinking in when smoking.
The person said "It's okay, constable. I'm drinking in the bar across the street."

(I took the liberty of fixing the gender specificity. You're welcome.)

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 08:12 AM

interesting!

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 07:42 AM

The joke bit of it has already been removed...

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 07:31 AM

Well, if Bonzo likes winding people up, there's no reason why he can't do it. It's a rather easy game to play I would have thought.
And we're not at each other's throats (not yet anyway!)
Jos is right, one can remove the 'Irish' and 'man' from the joke and make it PC.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 07:00 AM

My protest was based. not so much on the joke, which was not particularly funny, not particularly offensive, but on the intention it was put up
Bozo is a somewhat mindless wind-up merchant whose 'very small brain' restricts him to making outrageous remarks to get people at each others throats
Racism is popular ploy with him, as is a fatuous dispay of assumed superiority
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jos
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 06:18 AM

The joke would be just as effective, maybe more so, without the drinker being Irish. To remove the racism, and avoid accusations of 'gender bias', it could be:

'A group of people were drinking outside the door of a UK pub ... A police officer approached them ...'

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 06:14 AM

The barman looks up and says "Schindler's pissed"
can you explain what is the slightest bit racist about that? - in the mind of a racist maybe
IN YOUR HEAD....
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Ernest
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 05:59 AM

copied from the 2017 joke thread:

"Date: 06 Apr 17 - 12:09 PM

German industrialist in a bar sstands up to walk ot and falls flat on his face
The barman looks up and says "Schindler's pissed"
Jim Carroll "

So you are a racist, Jim?

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 05:42 AM

Hahaha Jim, you beat me to it!

Bonzo, those sort of jokes are avoided nowadays. We Irish (well, I'm half Irish) don't appreciate being mocked as stupid and thick.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 04:39 AM

Let's see how far this racist attempt at a wind-up gets before a forum fairy puts it where it belongs
Jim Carroll

Subject: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 02:45 AM

An Irishman was smoking outside the door of a UK pub.
A policeman approached him and said that he had to be at least 6feet from the premises he was drinking in when smoking.
Paddy said "It's okay, constable. I'm drinking in the bar across the street."