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Subject: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: robomatic
Date: 07 Feb 18 - 08:39 PM

Elon Musk is my man, he not only got the damn rocket built, but he had fun doing it. And he's not averse to a good advertisement, putting a Spaceman in a sportscar and getting good shots of it departing Earth. And a view of the dashboard message panel reading "Don't Panic!" (God bless Douglas Adams).

I watched this on my laptop live and found the experience not just exciting, but charming, to boot.

You just gotta know this guy has read "The Man Who Sold The Moon" by Heinlein.

Let's get the romance back into the cosmos.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Feb 18 - 08:44 PM

Since I can't go to Mars, I'll be happy if he can just provide the cheap, durable solar panels he bragged about.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Acme
Date: 07 Feb 18 - 09:46 PM

The most astonishing part of that launch? The booster rockets landing in unison back on the pad. That. Was. Remarkable.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Feb 18 - 09:03 AM

In the last year they even landed the booster on an ocean going barge.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Senoufou
Date: 08 Feb 18 - 09:22 AM

How much did this venture cost?
As I understand it, the aim is to further space travel in the future.
Why?


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Feb 18 - 09:40 AM

As I understand it, the aim is to further space travel in the future.
Why?


For the same reason that people have always explored the unknown. To quote a well known TV series...

to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before.

Makes even more sense when you look at what we are doing to this planet!

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Senoufou
Date: 08 Feb 18 - 09:59 AM

I just feel the expense is wicked when people are in dire need here on Earth.
To boldly go is a luxury I don't believe we can afford. Neither should the producers of Star Trek boldly split infinitives :)

Forgive my utter ignorance of astronomy, but is there any planet within striking distance where humans could live? I thought none has enough oxygen, the correct temperature, sufficient water etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Feb 18 - 10:25 AM

Great. Another useless piece of space junk floating around in orbit.

More self-promotion and wretched excess.

The aim? To make ungodly piles of money.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: robomatic
Date: 08 Feb 18 - 03:41 PM

The orbit is a MARS orbit intercept orbit (it is heliocentric). I think even The Saviour (or one of them, anyway) made a remark, when served a grand repast, that the poor we'll always have with us.

And for the rest of you, bang the rocks together, guys!


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Feb 18 - 06:49 PM

But Greg,
In the asteroid belt orbit won't the paint get scratched?

I bet no one expected the Tesla to have an asteroid collision sending it willy nilly back to Earth and landing at Mara Lago at a cool 50,000 km per hour...because it would burn up.

Sniiiff - I can smell the Tesla now. I love burning Lithium in the morning.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 02:54 AM

To boldly go is a luxury I don't believe we can afford.

Can we afford not to look for alternatives to our present destructive behaviour? You are looking at short term solutions rather than the survival of the species. What matter if we save some people today if we lose the entire planet tomorrow? The technology being developed in this type of venture does not just send us into space but could well provide solutions for bigger problems than the ones you mention.

In my opinion.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 03:11 AM

Or, let's put it another way. When the great library was built in Alexandria I am sure there were some naysayers who said that the money could be better spent feeding the starving peoples of Egypt. Yet by building it the great thinkers of the time were encouraged to lay the foundations of modern science and medicine, giving unaccountably greater benefits than if the money had been spent on extending the lives of a handful of people. May sound harsh but the good of the many must come first.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Senoufou
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 04:07 AM

That's all true, Dave, but is there indeed any planet suitable for colonisation within a reasonable distance?
I strongly suspect the motive behind this rocket thing is a speculative eye on charging vast sums to wealthy adventurers to experience space travel in large numbers.
And yes, 'the poor are always with us' just as long as money which would help them is squandered on jaunts into space.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 04:39 AM

is there indeed any planet suitable for colonisation within a reasonable distance?

That is a million miles (or light years?) off the point Eliza. Think outside the box! The by-product of the exercise is the development of new technology. Going back to my library example, the one in Alexandria was built to house books and scrolls. The result was far beyond that. This has already happened with space travel. Things like carbon monoxide detectors and telemedicine are a direct result of the space race and will save countless lives.

Throwing money at the poor never has and never will resolve the underlying issues. Developing new technologies will help far more people than giving money to help salve the conscience of the more wealthy.

Again, in my opinion.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Senoufou
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 06:24 AM

One needn't 'throw money at the poor' though Dave. One can do it differently by using the money to fund scientific projects such as vaccines, crop fertility, water sourcing, sustainable sanitation, re-building schemes and so on.

I've often heard people say that things such as non-stick pans etc are a direct result of space technology. I expect a starving African or a woman trying to feed her children on meagre benefits in a city slum will be really chuffed to know this...
To my mind it's all a case of priorities.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 06:32 AM

One can do it differently by using the money to fund scientific projects such as vaccines, crop fertility, water sourcing, sustainable sanitation, re-building schemes and so on.

One can indeed, Eliza, but they don't do they? What you are talking about is changing the attitudes of the people with real money so they become philanthropic. Good luck with that. I think there is more chance of getting a rocket to provide the benefits :-)

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Senoufou
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 07:17 AM

You're perfectly correct in what you say Dave. It's sad to see the very rich folk spending their money on what I'd consider daft stuff, when they could do so much good with their dosh.
'Twas ever thus I expect...

But to be fair (you can tell I'm a Libran can't you?) there are many philanthropic rich people. Not everyone is a greedy self-indulgent piggy. :)

Eliza


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 08:06 AM

Only twenty-four hours from Tesla!


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 09:51 AM

I take it, then, that you feel that Elon Musk is a 'greedy self-indulgent piggy' for spending his money on the space program rather that, say, ways of overcoming pollution?

DtG

“Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life.”

? Terry Pratchett, Jingo


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 10:25 AM

Throwing money at the poor

Spoken like a true 19th Century Liberal, or a present-day Trumpist Republican.

I take it, then, that you feel that Elon Musk is a 'greedy self-indulgent piggy'

I take it, then, that you maintain that Elon Musk is NOT spending his money in the sure and certain hope of making an obscenely large amount more?

The by-product of the exercise is the development of new technology.

Ah yes - a "technology will save the world and solve all its problems" acolyte. I give you the Oy-Phone.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 10:48 AM

Misrepresentations of everything I said I'm afraid, Greg.

The throwing money at the poor comment was a factual statement indicating that something else needs to be done of we want to cure the problem rather than the systems.

I do not maintain anything like you said as I am sure he will make a large amount of money. There is no reason, as Eliza has already said, that he should not make money and help the underprivileged.

Amongst the detritus of new technology there are some wonderful benefits. I have already pointed out a couple and I am sure your reference to the iPhone stems from its frivolous rather than more serious advantages.

Come out of combative mode and think where we would be if not for penicillin, electricity and wireless communications. Not all inventions are bad or frivolous and the technology for space exploration is a gateway for all sorts of other things.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Mr Red
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 12:18 PM

Those batteries are going to run out some day. Only good for 450 miles (if you are careful).

But seriously folks, if you are going to test a new rocket rocket configuration, what payload do you put on it? A mission critical one?

A load of laughs ain't that crazy - it is advertising. Even it it had failed it was good publicity for the car and the rocket. And that ain't rocket science!


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 12:51 PM

here is no reason, as Eliza has already said, that he should not make money and help the underprivileged.

And your evidence that he will help the underpriviledged is.......what exactly?

where we would be if not for penicillin, electricity and wireless communications.

Not the same thing at all as launching self-promoting space junk to make ungodly sums of money.

the technology for space exploration is a gateway for all sorts of other things.

Yup. Like putting space garbage in orbit.

A load of laughs ain't that crazy - it is advertising. Even it it had failed it was good publicity for the car and the rocket.

Exactly.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 01:59 PM

There is no evidence for or against but his foundation, which focuses its grantmaking in the areas of renewable energy, science and engineering education, and pediatric health, seems to indicate that he may do a bit more to help than you or I.

There is nothing wrong with making lots of money as long as some of it goes to the right places. See above.

Amongst the garbage there are always some gems.

Still, whatever, Greg. I am not going to get into a slanging match about it. It is just my opinion and you are perfectly entitled to rubbish it as you will. Just seems a little strange that you use the very technology that you scorn to do so :-)

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 03:49 PM

he may do a bit more to help than you or I.

Or not.

There is nothing wrong with making lots of money as long as some of it goes to the right places.

And we know he will send some to "the right places".....how? And what are these "right places"?

you use the very technology that you scorn to do so

I don't scorn technology. I scorn the worship of and addiction to technology as the be-all and end-all cure for all the world's ills.
Also useless and/or detrimental technology whose only purpose is to make money.

Now, y'all have a nice day.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 05:08 PM

Well, at least it was without the rancour of earlier posts.

Not sure who "y'all" means but I fully intend to have a grand weekend. You try to enjoy yourself too now you are more relaxed :-)

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 05:15 PM

It was mentioned to me, since I didn't work it out for myself, that the music playing over the feed from Tesla was "Space Oddity" the David Bowie version. And that David Bowie played the part of Nikola Tesla in the movie: "The Prestige".

You could 'hear' the music as the camera focused on the Tesla dashboard and the words displayed: "Don't Panic!"

As to money. It's a subject worth going into. The main point of economy to be made is that Tesla/ Elon Musk have made an impressive debut of a heavy lifting rocket system which is substantially less expensive than anything NASA has got. It was a tour-de-force of capability on a budget. So, in fact, it enables the first world to accomplish space tasks and have more left over to do other things with which it would not otherwise have.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 05:22 PM

What if the joke is on Elon and his technology is already obsolete compared to back engineered recovered technology?

NASA no longer needs space shuttles any more than they need bi planes.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Feb 18 - 01:48 PM

Here's the sort of technology your man Musk is interested in.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Mr Red
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 04:43 AM

Give the guy a break.

He can't save the planet, but he can show us how in one aspect.
He popularised the electric car, by making a desireable article in a land of egregiously rich people with money to waste. And moved on down the spectrum to more affordable ones (relatively). Without a hint of reproach for the profligate car drivers, he gave us a vision, and all other car manufacturers are promising to follow his lead.

He promised to build a 100 MW/129 MWh battery for New South Wales in 100 days. And did it. And got paid. Willingly.

He is adamant, the most sensible energy is solar (Wind & Hydro are solar BTW) and a lot of it needs to be stored temporarily. Batteries are not the only answer but given the market in transport, it transfers to may other areas.

He is a thinker. And his reward is being right. He was right about PayPal, he was right about Tesla.
Money just gives him the time to think. And I am sure he employs many people as clever as him.

He won't save the world on his own, but he greases the wheels, and he has a big pot of grease.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 11:45 AM

And moved on down the spectrum to more affordable ones (relatively).

Absolutely. At $35,000 USD I'm surprised everyone isn't driving one. Especially in Africa.

he gave us a vision,

A vision? I'll stick with reality, thanks.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 12:42 PM

The reality of Elon is to go back to square one and restart from the beginning no matter how much is invested. He is not a gambler who tries to throw good money after bad. He does not fall into the sunk cost trap. He stopped and began again in the engineering of his first cars.

GM uses a brute hammer approach to 'make it fit' in comparison.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: robomatic
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 03:59 PM

I listened to an excellent lecture by a local engineering professor who went to Africa to put together a water purification/ pumping station for a school and surrounding community. The engineering they utilized was precisely the sort of thing the Tesla people have been working on, utilizing a minimum of energy and over-fancy technology by putting together something that can be locally serviced and repaired.

Guess what model car he drives?


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 04:50 PM

The $35K car,the $69K one, or the $89K one?

And did he drive it in Africa?


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: robomatic
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 06:36 PM

I don't know, ya ratbag, I have yet to see one in Alaska!


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: olddude
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 11:14 PM

I tried to catch it for you, but my jumping ain't what it used to be sorry


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Mr Red
Date: 13 Feb 18 - 07:37 AM

Absolutely. At $35,000 USD I'm surprised everyone isn't driving one. Especially in Africa. - is a short-termism response.

Musk looks into the future and sees a need for solar powered (but stored) energy. He makes sports cars that can out-accelerate all but the purpose built rockets and sells them. That feeds capital into a cheaper car, and then a cheaper one still. He blazes a trail, with a market that likes fashion and can pay for it.

Meanwhile other car manufacturers see him succeed and don't want to be left behind. Has anyone seen the Mahindra EO2 electric car? Hardly luxury.

Africa has the sun, but not necessarily the wherewithal to fund an infrastructure but maybe it will overtake the west's thirst for fossil fuels as it accumulates the west's standard of living.

Worthwhile improvements take time, while the west is still wedded to petroleum. Rome, Day - do we ever learn?


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: robomatic
Date: 13 Feb 18 - 08:45 PM

Before the price of oil 'tanked', pun intended, I was on an oil project in the far north, and the client representative, a long-time oil man in these parts, had let it be known that he was going to order a Tesla. I didn't get the details, but I expect he was going to hold out for an all-wheel drive version, which might not be off the drawing board yet. A couple three years ago I got to visit Southern Cal. and there were Teslas to be seen there, not in a stream but on a daily basis.

And the star vehicle for Michelle Dockery in her effort to distance herself from her role in Downton Abbey, the protagonists commandeer a Tesla then have the problem of finding a charging station before they get marooned.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Feb 18 - 01:52 AM

I've always wanted a Tesla, and now this one belongs to the universe - so I can at least think I own a part of it. The Tesla plant has done wonders for an econonomically-stressed part of the San Francisco Bay area, so I can't be too hard on those extravagant cars.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Senoufou
Date: 14 Feb 18 - 04:03 AM

I made our pancakes yesterday for Shrove Tuesday in our very nice non-stick pan, and I thought of this thread and smiled. Thank you rocket science for preventing our pancakes from sticking!


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: BobL
Date: 14 Feb 18 - 09:13 AM

Quote: The dream of yesterday is the hope of today and the reality of tomorrow - Robert H. Goddard, rocket pioneer.

Discussion point: Once upon a time, things such as colour tellys were toys for rich people only. Cars and aeroplanes likewise. What benefit did their development then and since bring to the poor?


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: robomatic
Date: 14 Feb 18 - 02:50 PM

I'm pretty sure teflon was invented/ discovered and used first on the Manhattan Project for sealing off pipes full of uranium hexafluoride. So you who cook with those "safe?" nonstick pans might want to give a salute to the atomic bomb.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Senoufou
Date: 14 Feb 18 - 03:04 PM

Nah, it was Roy Plunkett who discovered it in the thirties. He was working on refrigeration and found the polymerised substance after trying to contain refrigerant chemicals. It was later that other scientists used its properties for bomb warheads etc.

My cheeky husband popped yet more lemons in the trolley today at the supermarket, and asked for pancakes again this evening. As it's Valentine's Day and he has VERY persuasive big brown pleading eyes, I gave in and did some more. We'll both be fat as pigs at this rate. Er...hang on...


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Feb 18 - 06:37 PM

What benefit did their development then and since bring to the poor?

The "benefits" of consumerism- while they still have no food, no jobs, no health insurance and no hope.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: robomatic
Date: 14 Feb 18 - 10:14 PM

You are making no point, just posting a generalized bitch. If you have something to say, rub some ideas together and post a position and a comparison.

Otherwise you should complain about how fire and the wheel have been commandeered by the rich and spokes and matches are only available to the poor for a price. You'd make more sense.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Feb 18 - 08:19 AM

You are making no point

I should think the point fairly obvious- techno ain't gonna save the world, as some believe with the fervor of a fundamentalist religion. In fact, techno often often results in more harm than benefit.

you should complain about how fire and the wheel

Glad to oblige. Give me a little while to compose something.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Feb 18 - 08:20 AM

PS: Have you bought your flamethrower as yet, Robo?


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Feb 18 - 08:43 AM

Move over Elon Musk. Bill Joy Finds the Jesus Battery

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Mr Red
Date: 15 Feb 18 - 11:27 AM

techno ain't gonna save the world,

But it will solve the problem caused by the last profligate fashion.

The world will survive, it always has. But don't expect it to be like you want it to be.

Humanity? - survival doubtful - the biggest pollution, and source of other pollutants is the human race.

Meanwhile John Goodenough is heading research on lithium batteries that will surpass his original ground-breaking work on them. With the rise of electric vehicles there will be many companies trying to produce a better battery. When their cost effectiveness gets to a critical point we will all want one on the side of our house. That day is foreseeable. A milestone IMNSHO.

30 years ago PV was cheap enough and preferable to diesel generators in Papa New Guinea in villages. All about infrastructure & supply chain. Now look at the market.

My hope is that the human race will wake up to its voracity. But I don't hold much hope.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Feb 18 - 11:43 AM

Including its voracity for techno ?

;>)


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: robomatic
Date: 15 Feb 18 - 02:59 PM

Greg F.: LOL AM looking forward to your wheel and fire spiel. I agree that techno won't save the world. My point is that techno will enable us to flee the world and go find another one. Tickets to Alpha Centauri anyone?

My references: A Canticle for Leibowitz or Heinlein's story Solution Unsatisfactory I don't insist you rub ideas together to that level, but I've heard the old 'plaints about spending money on space when children are starving in ____________ since Apollo days. Legitimate or not there's nothing 'new' there.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Feb 18 - 04:37 PM

I've no quarrel with spending money on space. NASA is woefully, and in my opinion, idiotically, underfunded. As for the hungry kids, we SHOULD be able to do BOTH.

Now, the COMMERCIALIZATION of space is another matter.

Hadn't thought of A Canticle for Leibowitz in years!

Wheel & fire still in the works.    ;>)


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: robomatic
Date: 15 Feb 18 - 07:12 PM

Canticle For Leibowitz is one of my select 'Paragon of Christianity' writings. Its been done quite well for audio, as well. Heard a critical passage of it one night on the car radio driving north in New Hampshire to go hiking in the White Mountains.

"'Eat! Eat! Eat!' The Pope's Child cried."


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Feb 18 - 09:18 PM

I'm warnin ya, if you make it to Mars yur gonna miss 'fresh air and pressure'.

The chemical composition of Mars' atmosphere makes it smell like a silent but deadly hot fart.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: robomatic
Date: 15 Feb 18 - 10:59 PM

'Smell' is a subjective experience. A dinosaur fart and a Martian 'hot fart' are separated in space as well as time. Doctor Who has had both experiences no doubt and s/he is still with us. Inherit the booth.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 08:49 AM

Hydrogen sulfide doesn't care how subjective we are


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: robomatic
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 05:27 PM

Gotcha! By gum, you almost made sense that time. For the record, there is some sulfur smell, but when it's gonna kill ya, ya can't smell it. Your nose detectors die first.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 06:00 PM

I'm happy to hear your comprehension is improving. If A word to the wise is sufficient, you are already gaining clarity in as little as 8 words. Good job. Keep an eye on that confusion, it could be the harbinger of a
brain fog
Get some fresh air on Earth, forget Mars.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Tesla My Tesla, Gone to Mars? Oh Yesa
From: Mr Red
Date: 19 Feb 18 - 06:01 AM

Your nose detectors die first.

errrrrrr........... not what they tell you.

Smell is the last sense to die, they say. (Don't ask how they know). And given that it is found in creatures without ears or eyes - I rather go with that view.


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