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Canadian copyright problem

mg 26 Feb 18 - 08:54 PM
Jon Bartlett 27 Feb 18 - 12:40 AM
GUEST,Sol 27 Feb 18 - 04:20 AM
GUEST,Mg 27 Feb 18 - 05:06 AM
leeneia 27 Feb 18 - 11:42 AM
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Subject: Canadian copyright problem
From: mg
Date: 26 Feb 18 - 08:54 PM

I am deadly serious when I say I will not go through this Canadian copyright situation, unless I know the persons or it is definitely in public domain. it is something that i think needs to be solved somehow..not that people would have to pay a central agency, like Harry Fox..but at least there should be some sort of database that you can pay a bit to to find out the top 500 or so songs that folk singers might want to record. I think the vague and unhappy process probably keeps songs from being recorded, and at least modest funds from being transferred. I think that the rule is you pay the copyright holder..good luck finding her. Sometimes the original author has died, there are estates, there are grandnephews who don't really care that much about the $30 a year they might get...so it is just a black hold sometimes. I have gone through this I think with the three or four cds I have done. I will not do it again. it is time consuming, can be expensive, it is frustrating, and if you do it wrong there can be lawyers threatening you. sorry. Not for me, although I love all the songs.

How hard could it be to get a library student to produce a database?


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Subject: RE: Canadian copyright problem
From: Jon Bartlett
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 12:40 AM

Why not say on the CD: "I have made attempts to identify the owners of the songs on this CD. If I have infringed your copyright, please let me know and I will make amends."

Jon Bartlett


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Subject: RE: Canadian copyright problem
From: GUEST,Sol
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 04:20 AM

I sympathise with mg. There should be a global database set up by the major players (Socan,PRS, ASCAP and the like) so that a set fee/song per say, 1000 units was agreed to. This would help to both composers and performers in many ways. In this day and age, it shouldn't t be too difficult to set up.


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Subject: RE: Canadian copyright problem
From: GUEST,Mg
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 05:06 AM

The problem is with the. Manufacturing process. The one I use now, CD baby, requires proof. I personally am quite fine with a disclaimer...


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Subject: RE: Canadian copyright problem
From: leeneia
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 11:42 AM

You have my sympathy. Basically, copyright laws are silly. For example, some laws provide copyright for the author's life plus 70 years. So say you hear a song at a session.

How do you know who wrote it?
How do you know where they are?
How do you know if and when they died?

It's true that if a song was a hit and made serious money, there will be records and a way to get permission. But if it was not, if only a few people are interested, we're screwed.

And then there's the imbalance between private effort and social cost. For example, I wrote new lyrics to an old lullaby recently. I estimate that it took me 90 minutes. Say I live another 10 years. Is it worth it for my government to spend 80 years (life plus 70) protecting that 90 minutes? No, it's not. And what if I have 20 grandchildren who inherit the asset? The situation is ridiculous.

Recently I thought I'd like to make a video of me singing "Little Drummer Boy" for my family. It took me 20 minutes of searching, and the upshot was that if I wanted permission, I had to telephone some woman in London, England. Not happening.

I wanted to get a legit copy of the "The Blue Skirt Waltz." The publisher wouldn't let anybody share it, but they wouldn't sell it either, probably figuring it wasn't worth the effort. So all that the "protection" does it kill the song. As I said, the laws are silly.


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