BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 03:51 PM

Three more "liars" ..................

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 03:48 PM

Dave,
You lie, cheat, change the rules, whinge about how badly you are done by and how nothing is ever your fault.

If I lie quote me, liar.
If I cheat, quote me liar.
If I have changed any rules.... huh? You are losing your tenuous grip on reality now!

"I have posted nothing here that anyone could object to"

You people object to being questioned or disagreed with, but otherwise I post nothing objectionable.
Quote me if I have, liar.

Pfr,
Keith - wot.. me offensive...!!!?????

There is offensive language in some of your anti-Tory rants.

Jim, it was not offensive of those people to give their view based on their intimate knowledge.
It was not offensive for me (and most of the nation,) to believe them.
Why did you not?

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 02:55 PM

"That would be offensive.
I would never even imply such shit.
If I did, quote me liar."
Don I do now " believe that all male Pakistani Muslims have a culturally implanted tendency" but only because of the testimony of all those knowledgeable people, and always acknowledging that only a tiny minority succumb.
The minority you refer to succumb to grooming underage girls to have sex - which is what the discussion was about
That is not "implying anything - it is saying it outright
Apologies on a postcard please - I think not!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 02:51 PM

Keith - wot.. me offensive...!!!?????

You clearly mistake tuff luv from one of your few last remaining mudcat mates
who can just about tolerate you,
as 'offensive'...

Consider our posts of the days since you have been back as an 'intervention'...

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 02:31 PM

Could I suggest increasing dementia............

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 02:23 PM

On a more serious note, not that I expect a straight answer. How can you in all honesty say "I have posted nothing here that anyone could object to" when it is so blatantly obvious to any interested observer that you have made dozens of posts that many people have voiced their objections too? In other words, your posts have caused people to object. You are not making any sense at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 02:16 PM

This is getting tedious again so it is probably about time we wound it up.

I readily admit making deliberately offensive posts and have explained why. I then realised that it was the wrong thing to do and apologised, not because I 'had to' but because I wanted to and it is what normal people do when they know they made a mistake. Yet another Keith alt truth that I find offensive.

The phrase that started "I have posted nothing here that anyone could object to" has quickly become "I have never made an offensive post" in the hope that people would not notice. Because when you realise you have made a mistake you desperately seek for a way out instead of just admitting it. Yet another alt truth that I find offensive. Seems to be Wheatcroft moment there.

Keith, you are not only still digging but you are burying yourself in the mire. What will be next? You never post anything that eminent living historians with a centre display in Waterstone's would find offensive I suspect.

You lie, cheat, change the rules, whinge about how badly you are done by and how nothing is ever your fault. Have you not even had the slightest inclination that you are the only one who thinks this way? Still, like I said, keep digging. Maybe you will go so deep that you will never return.


We can but hope.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 02:05 PM

Are you suggesting that describing Muslims as implanted perverts isn't offensive - whoever said it?

That would be offensive.
I would never even imply such shit.
If I did, quote me liar.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 02:02 PM

" believe that all male Pakistani Muslims have a culturally implanted tendency"
Are you suggesting you didn't say this?

I did say it. I said I believed it " but only because" those people gave it as their view and they were better placed than any of us to know.

Their views were not considered offensive and were widely reported.
It is not offensive to say I believed them.

Why did you not believe them?

Now, have you found an actual offensive post made by me, preferrably not from over 7 years ago!

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 01:42 PM

"and you still can not find an offensive post from me."
Are you suggesting that describing Muslims as implanted perverts isn't offensive - whoever said it?
You put it up as your opinion - you are offensive
You said similar of Irish Children and Travellers
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 01:39 PM

"Jim, I said I believed a cultural explanation."
You said
" believe that all male Pakistani Muslims have a culturally implanted tendency"
Are you suggesting you didn't say this?
"I had quoted 5 knowledgeable people who gave that explanation."
You have claimed to have put up quotes of your prominent people making this statement -
You didn't - you lied - you have just said you never made this statement - you lied - you said you have never made an offensive statement - you lied
You could have ended this long ago by putting up quotes of prominent people claiming "implanted tendencies - you never have and you never will
Your postings are a string of permanent lies - and you dare to call the rest of us liars!!!!
You are joke
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 02:23 PM

Jim, I said I believed a cultural explanation.
I had quoted 5 knowledgeable people who gave that explanation.
All 5 were Left Wing.
Three were Labour polticians, two being MPs representing large Pakistani communities, the other being a Pakistani Labour activist given a peerage.
Three of the five were themselves of Pakistani heritage.

My question at the time was what superior knowledge did you have to dismiss their view.

There is nothing offensive in that. Those people's views were widely reported at the time.

So, you had to go back SEVEN YEARS and you still can not find an offensive post from me.

Dave and PFR have made offensive posts on this thread in recent days!

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 02:09 PM

"Liar Dave, I have not and would not imply any of those things.
If I did, quote me, liar."
Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 13 Feb 11 - 07:10 AM
Don, no one on this thread has claimed any of those things.
Don I do now " believe that all male Pakistani Muslims have a culturally implanted tendency" but only because of the testimony of all those knowledgeable people, and always acknowledging that only a tiny minority succumb.
Do you dismiss all that just because it does not fit your preconceptions, or do you have some powerful evidence to the contrary that you have not shared with us?
"I have never made an offensive post.
If I have, quote me liar."
See above
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 01:53 PM

See what I mean, THREE "liars" in that one.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 01:50 PM

Liar Dave, I have not and would not imply any of those things.
If I did, quote me, liar.

On this thread both you and PFR have made offensive posts.
They contained offensive language.
You had to apologise Dave.

I have never made an offensive post.
If I have, quote me liar.

You have made offensive posts.
I never have.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 12:42 PM

Oh I forgot to add both the victimhood and the me, me, me mentality.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 12:41 PM

"Liar Dave,"
Stop this now Keith
You have habitually filled your posing with lies and distortions - nobody else has
You claim nobody has responded to yo - that is a lie
The fact that yo7u don't like the answers you have been given doesn't men that nobody has answered you
If you want examples of your lying try your serial denial of your "implant" claim
You said it - the you claimed you didn't say it (you doi this regularly)
Then you said you only said it because somebody said it was true (nobody ever has apart from the BNP and other racist organisations)
hen asked to provide an example of somebody saying it you say you already have (you never have because no respectable personality would ever have made such an illegal comment publicly
"keyboard diarrhoea." just about sums up your contributions to this forum
"I have never made any statement about "all Muslims."
See what I mean How many times have I put your quote up and how many times have you gone through the string of justifications I have just described
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 12:41 PM

I think you will find Punkfolkrocker that you are a member of a VERY small club. Like most people on here I am tired of the deceit, the duplicity, the moving of goal posts, the denials, the blaming of other people for things posted and the outright lies that culminate from of of these.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 11:52 AM

The part of me that still regards Keith as 'one of us' - a mudcat mate,
sincererely hopes he is having apropriate medical check ups and treatment...

My mum was put on tablets as soon as dementia was diagnosed,
which may or may not be acting to decrease the severity of gradual decline...

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 11:44 AM

The behavour is getting progressively more severe. I honestly believe that serious psychological problems are behind it, in conjuction with worsening dementia.

For example look at the number of times the word liar is used.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 11:37 AM

Keith - I'm sure you're not thick - but I do wonder why you persist in [deliberately..???] misreading what I write about you...???????

One more time - It's gone beyond caring about what you write..

I object to the total quantity and frequency of your repetitious over elongated forum spamming, thread destroying, utterly boring posts...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Show some self respect and self discipline, and stop flooding mudcat with your obsessive unrestrained keyboard diarrhoea...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 11:23 AM

If you were not lying you could quote something, liar.

You implied that British Pakistanis were more liable to rape young girls. I objected to that.
You implied that Labour party members were more likely to be antisemitic. I objected to that.
You implied that Irish schoolchildren were brainwashed to be anti-English. I objected to that.
You implied that Labour party members were more likely to rape women. I objected to that.

Need I go on? I have objected to every single one of those things and more, as have many people. Yet you say "I have posted nothing here that anyone could object to". A blatant lie.

Feel free to carry on digging. I am happy to keep providing the evidence.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 11:22 AM

Keith - no apology for my candour - you are talking shite...

Quote me.

To satisfy your request for a quote, I'd need to copy and paste at least 90% of the sheer unrestrained quantity of your forum spamming posts...

Then post one example.
Make it the very worst I have ever made.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 11:18 AM

Keith - no apology for my candour - you are talking shite...

..and far too much of it...!!!


To satisfy your request for a quote, I'd need to copy and paste at least 90% of the sheer unrestrained quantity of your forum spamming posts...

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 11:10 AM

Liar Dave,
You said "I have posted nothing here that anyone could object to"

Yes, and that is true.
If it is not, quote something liar.

I object to most things you post as do many others so I have told no lies.

If you were not lying you could quote something, liar.

Go ahead liar. Quote me and state your objection, liar.

Pfr,
I can.. and have done...

You have provided no quote.
You both object to anyone posting views different to your own, but that does not make my posts objectionable.
If that is not true, quote a post that is.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 10:59 AM

"No. No-one can quote anything objectionable.
If you are not lying, quote something now, liar."

I can.. and have done...

I object to the sheer overwhelming amount and frequency you post...!!!!!!!

Like a spoiled toddler bawling it's eyes out for attention in a long super market checkout queue...

I'm the tired bloke with a single item in my basket wishing the stressed and exhausted mother would stuff a bread roll in it's mouth....

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 10:59 AM

If you are not lying, quote me liar.

You said "I have posted nothing here that anyone could object to"

I object to most things you post as do many others so I have told no lies. You are digging yourself deeper and deeper in the doo.

Seemples.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 10:51 AM

Liar Dave,
Lots of people object to lots of things you post.

No. No-one can quote anything objectionable.
If you are not lying, quote something now, liar.

You just made a ridiculous statement about not posting anything that anyone could object to.

No. That statement was true.
You make yourself ridiculous by making lying claims you can not substantiate with quotes, liar.

You are now living in a Walter Mitty fantasy world where you really believe the things you say

Unlike Mitty, I can substantiate everything.
You can substantiate nothing because your claims are filthy lies.

If you are not lying, quote me liar.

Liar Jim,
I have never made any statement about "all Muslims."
If I have, quote me liar.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 06:40 AM

Wheatcroft - the Border Issue !!!
He only wants someone to talk to- he doesn't care what
"I have said nothing ridiculous "
All Muslims are "culturally implanted" to have underage sex seems ridiculous enough for me!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 06:13 AM

I have posted nothing here that anyone could object to.

Lots of people object to lots of things you post.


I have said nothing ridiculous

You just made a ridiculous statement about not posting anything that anyone could object to.

It's gone well beyond different morality etc. You are now living in a Walter Mitty fantasy world where you really believe the things you say. No one else does.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 05:51 AM

Steve, Wheatcroft was 3 years ago and I did nothing dishonest.
I quoted the disputed passage in full.

On the border issue I linked Dublin and EU together for obvious reasons.
I said only they were threatening a hard border, which was completely true. Our side said not under any circumstances.
You misquoted me again. I said "threatened" not wanted."

Anything on this thread Steve?

Dave,
I have posted nothing here that anyone could object to.
...
I have said nothing ridiculous
Priceless irony with no idea he is doing it.

The truth actually.
That is why you can not produce a single quote.
You lie.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 05:45 AM

He has now abandoned defending his Tory Perve mates and is now happy to talk about himself - I suspect we are the only friends he has
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 05:26 AM

I have posted nothing here that anyone could object to.
...
I have said nothing ridiculous

Priceless irony with no idea he is doing it.

I don't think it is catching, Jim, but more and more people are laughing at him I think we need to keep him since the village idiot position was vacated a few months back ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 05:21 AM

You deliberately misquoted Geoffrey Wheatcroft in order to "strengthen" your case, hoping we wouldn't notice, and have never apologised. Please stop saying that we can never refute what you say. You recently said that only Dublin and the EU wanted a hard border. A fib. Yes we can refute and yes we do refute. Stop being rather vulgar and largely fraudulent.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 05:07 AM

Dave,
When even the site management have commented on it

Really? When?

I have posted nothing here that anyone could object to.
That is why all your accusations come without quotes.

You can not argue against anything I have actually said, so you lie that I have said things I never have or would.

You resort to ridicule, but I have said nothing ridiculous and you have . Quotes ready if requested.

Oh dear oh dear.
Ha ha ha.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Mar 18 - 04:29 PM

He's a self obsessed ultra right wing nutter
Leave him alone -0 it might be catching
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Mar 18 - 02:52 PM

You are right of course, Raggy. His last post proves he is marching to a completely different drum. When even the site management have commented on it and he still cannot see it we may as well just ignore him. Trouble is he tends to linger like a bad smell and one cannot help but spray a little bullshit repellent at times :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 Mar 18 - 02:50 PM

Me, me, me ............... I want some attention !!!

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Mar 18 - 02:40 PM

Dave, Jim's whopping lies make him a laughing stock.
You all ignoring that elephant in the room makes you all laughing stocks.
Your made up claims of "sordid secrets" make you a laughing stock.

I have made no false claims.
I have accurately reported claims emerging from within your party.
I have said nothing remotely laughable and you can not quote anything of mine to criticise.

You have made utter fools of yourselves over this issue.
I have not put a foot wrong.
If that is not the plain and simple truth, quote me.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 Mar 18 - 02:18 PM

You're wasting your time Dave.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Mar 18 - 01:24 PM

Still don't get it then, laughing stock?

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Mar 18 - 12:22 PM

PFR, I do not speak for any particular media organ, and when I quote from the media I avoid right wing publications.

I leave you to check my posting rate, but remember I am often replying to several people at once.
When I referred to your "friends" I meant those here who have similar political views, i.e. DTG Jim Steve Rag .

Dave you claimed some people relevant to this thread are "suffering the consequences of trying to hide their sordid little secrets"

No such "sordid secrets" have emerged.
You just make shit up, like Jim's whopping lie that there are "proven cases" of rape and paedophilia against "prime ministers and government high-ups." A blatant and whopping lie but only I objected to it.

All you people do is attack me without actually specifying anything I have really, actually said.
Just made up shit and false accusations.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Mar 18 - 11:47 AM

Keith - also.. my 'rants' against tory lies, scandal and corruption are founded on known truth and/or highly plausible rumours..

Unlike so much of the anti labour disinformation & rants that are generated and seeded in the media
by well financed & resourced professional right wing propaganda activists

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Mar 18 - 11:38 AM

Keith, you really don't get it do you? I have no intention of engaging at any level with you apart from with utter contempt and you are really beneath even that. Everyone can see what you are trying to do now and you are a laughing stock.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Mar 18 - 11:35 AM

Keith - I don't have any friends, I'm unsociable - which makes me pretty lousy as a socialist...

My 'rants' against tories are [obviously ? ] a tongue in cheek parody riposte
countering the 'normal' bigoted hostile anti labour/corbyn bollocks
spewed from your sort's 'normal' media channels...

ie.. I'm taking the piss...!!!!!

btw.. What is your normal average mudcat posting count per day...????

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Mar 18 - 11:25 AM

"Don't do it, Jim."
No intention
I really have had enough of this dick's 'Groundhog Day' shenanigans
"two posts per thread per day."
Somewhat over-generous, in my opinion - but maybe you're into S&M
"From Liverpool to Frisco a-roving I went ........."
Do you know the dirty version of this Kenny?
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Mar 18 - 11:19 AM

Dave,
If anyone comes up with anything he dislikes it is 'made up shit' yet anything he says is gospel truth.

Ha ha ha.
All you have to do is produce it, but you can't.
It is made up shit.

PFR, your friends post far, far more than I do, and most of what I post is a response to what they post.

Some of your rants against Tories are pure poison.
Do you care how boring and tedious that is to normal people?

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 21 Mar 18 - 10:31 AM

From Liverpool to Frisco a-roving I went .........

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Mar 18 - 10:23 AM

Keith - what you say is problematic enough to say the least..

But my biggest problem with you, is YOU...

You are an extreme bore.

After putting up with it for too many years I am sick of your obsessive needy spamming and hogging of debates.

You bog down and kill off interesting threads with your incessant over repetitive posts demanding attention for yourself.

I dont agree with excluding and banning members,
but I do think you should have a limit imposed on your daily posting count
[if mudcat tech permits]

Eg, no more than one or two posts per thread per day.

You'd definitely be forced to be more concise and self disciplined.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Mar 18 - 10:19 AM

Don't do it, Jim. If anyone comes up with anything he dislikes it is 'made up shit' yet anything he says is gospel truth. Typical narcissist. He gets off on it.