BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 10:06 AM

Jim,
Keith has now reached the stage of openly defending Top Government paedophiles and rapists

I do not remember doing that Jim, and they do not exist anyway.

Jackaroo,
By denying that women will keep quiet about abuse and rape,

I do not.
I know they do, but there is no reason to suppose women from any one party are more or less likely too.

The complaints are overwhelmingly from within Labour, about Labour.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 10:16 AM

"I do not remember doing that Jim,
There you go again
"and they do not exist anyway."
Sorry - forgot, Heath Brittan and the Dolphin Sqaure crowd wre all secreltly paid-up members of the Labour Party, weren't they?
Braindeads of the world unite!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 10:22 AM

Keith - of course you noticed more complaints from within labour....

Labour are all a rabble of effin bolshy militant lefty complainers, moaners, and whingers... stands to reason innit...!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 10:25 AM

Jim,
Sorry - forgot, Heath Brittan and the Dolphin Sqaure crowd wre all secreltly paid-up members of the Labour Party, weren't they?

Those stories turned out to be one deluded man's fantasies.
No truth was found in any of it and he has been charged for the hoax.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/21/child-sex-abuse-fantasistis-charged-hoax-claims-kidnapped-held/

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 10:59 AM

Keith: "Jackaroo,
'By denying that women will keep quiet about abuse and rape,'
I do not. I know they do, but there is no reason to suppose women from any one party are more or less likely too."

Oh, bushwa, Keith. This is me you're talking to, not Little Ned in the Third Reader.

"The complaints are overwhelmingly from within Labour, about Labour."

Yeah, nothing from within the Taliban yet either.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 11:03 AM

Yeah, nothing from within the Taliban yet either.

I made that point earlier to no avail, Jackaroodave. Following the logic that fewer complaints means there are fewer things to complain about then Saudi Arabia must be a veritable paradise for women and Jews. Never any complaints about misogyny or antisemitism from them... ;-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 11:25 AM

Dave: "I made that point earlier to no avail, Jackaroodave. Following the logic . . . , Saudi Arabia must be a veritable paradise for women and Jews. Never any complaints about misogyny or antisemitism from them... ;-)"

I only steal from the best, Dave. <\(:-) (tip of the hat)

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 11:31 AM

"Those stories turned out to be one deluded man's fantasies."
n obvious cover-up Keith - two of the main contenders were serial sex offenders

HARVEY PROCTOR
LEON BRITTAN
Two more
EDWARD HEATH
LORD BOOTHBY

Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 11:45 AM

As the their party attempts to put its own house in order, women Tory luminaries are making the habitual defenses when women speak out about sexual harassment: Puritanism run amok, nothing is fun any more, etc.

I'm shocked, shock . . . . zzzzzzzz.

Rising Star

Old Stager

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 12:38 PM

More names of Dolphin Square accused cover-up
PETER HAYMAN - SERIAL SEX OFFENDER
CYRIL SMITH - SERIAL SEX OFFENDER
PETER MORRISON _ SERIAL SEX OFFENDER (Covered up by MI5)

More to come
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 01:00 PM

Not stealing at all Jackaroodave. Hopefully by putting the same points in different ways the meaning will eventually get through. I'll not hold my breath though :-(

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 01:37 PM

Another "innocent" Dolphin Square accused
CHARLES NAPIER - SERIAL SEX OFFENDER
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 01:44 PM

WESTMINSTER PAEDOPHILE DOSSIER LOST !!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 01:58 PM

jackaroo.
Yeah, nothing from within the Taliban yet either

What a very silly comparison.
Uk politicians whatever their party have rather more in common.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 02:17 PM

No comments on the cover up paedos Keith?
Thought not
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 02:30 PM

Keith: "What a very silly comparison.
Uk politicians whatever their party have rather more in common."

I stand corrected and abashed. Let me amend that to accord with your cogent observation:

"Yeah, nothing from within The Official Raving Monster Loony Party, either"

As far as I know. I'm willing to take your correction here as well, Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 04:35 PM

Don't fall for it Jackaroodave. You will find the hoops you need to jump through will get lifted higher and higher until they reach a point where you will Not reach, at which point you 'lose'. Please don't let me try to influence you on decisions that are yours alone but, so far, you have had your feet firmly on the ground. Keep them there and you will not trip up. Keep your arguments rooted firmly in the logic you have shown so far and try not to lose your temper. It will be difficult at times but it will be worthwhile.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Mar 18 - 04:33 AM

Jim,
No comments on the cover up paedos Keith?

It is too ludicrous Jim. The disgusting monster Cyril Smith alone has been revealed to have abused children or raped anyone.

proven acts (paedophelia and rape) by Government high ups and Prime ministers

You have to resort to blatant lying to make a case.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Mar 18 - 04:39 AM

Both Daves, your premise that despite having the same serious problem that Labour women are vocally rebelling against, the feisty women from parties like SNP and Tories are just lying back and thinking of England is laughable.

The idea is ludicrous, I do not believe it, and it would be laughed out of court.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Mar 18 - 04:45 AM

Keith, when I want your opinion I will ask for it. Until then there is no point discussing anything with you.

Jackaroodave. I really do recommend that you do not get involved with this person. he is the classic example of a sociopath.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Mar 18 - 04:48 AM

You have all the details of Government linked criminal sex offenders
You are the one who is lying unless you are clainignthat
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 11:31 AM
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 12:38 PM
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 01:37 PM
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 01:44 PM
Are all lies
Is that your point

These are not jeust pests - they are criminals who have been protected by the Govenment
"The disgusting monster Cyril Smith alone has been revealed to have abused children or raped anyone."
I quite agree - I pointed out he did
What's your point?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Mar 18 - 04:53 AM

Dave, I do not need your permission to post an opinion here, and resorting to personal abuse shows you have no case.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Mar 18 - 04:57 AM

Jim,
"The disgusting monster Cyril Smith alone has been revealed to have abused children or raped anyone."
I quite agree - I pointed out he did

You agree that he alone abused kids or raped.
He was a Liberal. Never even close to government.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Mar 18 - 05:04 AM

Keith, when I want your opinion I will ask for it. Until then there is no point discussing anything with you.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Mar 18 - 05:14 AM

A good indication of why women in the Tory party are not as forthcoming as others.

A veteran Tory MP has allegedly blamed female journalists for the Westminster sex scandal and described victims of sexual harassment as “wilting flowers”.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Mar 18 - 05:23 AM

Maybe tory women are still being raised to lie back and think of England,
and not jeopadize their options of catching a rich husband...???????


or for the more progressive moden ambitious tory women:

lie back and think of England,
and not jeopadize their options of winning a well salaried influential job in high position...???????

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 07 Mar 18 - 05:49 AM

Keith: "Both Daves, your premise that despite having the same serious problem that Labour women are vocally rebelling against, the feisty women from parties like SNP and Tories are just lying back and thinking of England is laughable."

That is pretty funny, Keith. ;-)

By "feisty women" you mean people like Kemi Badenoch ? When a party trots out its rising star to push back against actual and potential claims of harassment, well, that's pretty much a give-away.

"The idea is ludicrous, I do not believe it,"

Of course you don't, Keith. You have exhaustively documented your inability to understand the phenomenon.

"and it would be laughed out of court."

Court? I'm happy to refer the verdict to the unfolding of events.

Anyway, I guess we're done: Take your self-awarded victory lap.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Mar 18 - 06:30 AM

Dave TG,
Keith, when I want your opinion I will ask for it.

Again, no-one needs permission from you to post an opinion.

Both Daves,
There has been an outcry from Labour women about misogyny and the abuse of women within the party by party members.

40+ Labour women MPs write to their leader begging him to do something about it.
A new grassroots movement within Labour to highlight the problem and to fight against it.
Nothing comparable coming from any other party.
That is why I think Labour has a particular problem.

Because so many members say so.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Mar 18 - 06:43 AM

Keith, when I want your opinion I will ask for it.

Again, no-one needs permission from you to post an opinion.

You don't. Addressing me when I have specifically said I do not want you to is harassment though and you need to stop.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Mar 18 - 07:17 AM

"40+ Labour women MPs write to their leader begging him to do something about it.
A new grassroots movement within Labour to highlight the problem and to fight against it.
Nothing comparable coming from any other party.
That is why I think Labour has a particular problem."

Somone needs to grasp the quite simple basic truth that the kind of women/feminists who are attracted to the labour party
tend to be far more questioning, militant, and argumentative
than in all other mainstream parties...

Of course they will be more demanding and awkward for labour leaders to deal with...

This is good healthy open democratic relationship between grassroots members and leaders..

But unfortunately this does not play too well in tory owned press and media,
desperate to exploit anything they can spin as labour disharmony and division...

Though Keith already well knows this..

No one of his age and intelligence can be that politically naive or dense...????

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Mar 18 - 07:46 AM

btw "That is why I think Labour has a problem"

Well no surprises you are [deliberately..???] misconstruing circustantial evidence
and diseminating untruths about labour yet again..

Far from having a 'particular problem', labour is actually leading the way in addressing problems of abuse in society;
even to the extent of pre-empting remedying any that may or may not exist with labour itself...
Sending out warning signals to any who may think they can join labour and take advantage of it's weaker members...

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Mar 18 - 07:53 AM

An excellent post PFR. We said the same about the antisemitism claims. In a party where questioning the leadership and making yourself heard is encouraged there will always be this type of protest. In a party where the 'traditional values' of misogyny, racism and class divides prevail it is likely that people will keep their heads below the parapet.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 07 Mar 18 - 08:04 AM

TWO excellent posts!

I do think that Keith's strategy is to pursue such a blatantly wrong-headed approach that one of us loses it from sheer exasperation and then to claim victory on a foul.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Mar 18 - 08:28 AM

Jackaroo, I have not claimed any victory.
I thought we were just exchanging views. I am sorry if you feel defeated.

Dave TG,
We said the same about the antisemitism claims

Yes. Labour Party Jews complained about anti-Semitism within the party.
Jews in other parties had no issue with their own parties but joined the condemnation of Labour anti-Semitism.
Your case was that did not mean Labour had a particular problem, even though the leadership admitted that it did.

Also Dave, we are all free to address anyone on the forum.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Mar 18 - 08:37 AM

Keith - if as it seems you have too much free time to occupy yourslf...
why not give the aggro down here in BS a rest,
and instead come upstairs to Music
to unwind and relax with like minded folkie mates for a while...

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Mar 18 - 08:39 AM

See what I mean Jackaroodave? I think your analysis is right. Don't rise to the bait.

Fine Keith. You cannot take the hint that I do not want you to address me again. You will not take a direct request to fuck off and stop mithering me. Feel free to carry on proving yourself to be completely unempathetic as well as a weasel with worm like tendencies. If that is the impression you want to give it is no skin off my nose.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 07 Mar 18 - 08:48 AM

Cousin Dave: "See what I mean Jackaroodave? I think your analysis is right. Don't rise to the bait."

If someone wants to come in here embarrassing himself with that weak stuff, it's not my problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Mar 18 - 09:33 AM

I know many people don't have much truck with the Sun (myself being one of them). However it is a Tory supporting publication so I was somewhat surprised to find the following which was updated on the 8th February this year. I believe it may have been published earlier.


Tory impropriety

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Mar 18 - 09:58 AM

"Jews in other parties had no issue with their own parties but joined the condemnation of Labour anti-Semitism..."

You really, really can't see it, can you, Keith? And what this remark also reveals is that you are completely unable to address the point well made by pfr at 07.17 am and ably supported by Jack and Dave. It's a poor do, Keith. From the leafy subururbs of Tory Hertford you are fighting a one-man anti-Labour campaign on Mudcat and nothing but nothing is going to get those blinkers off you.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Mar 18 - 10:25 AM

"He was a Liberal. Never even close to government."
Smith was an MBE and a Member of Parliament - Hounoured by Britain, as was Savile and Harris - how close can you get to the Establishment?
Once again you have accused me of lying
"You have to resort to blatant lying to make a case."
and I have provided the evidence for what I stated
You now respond with excuses for Pedophilia and the rapists and sexual predators who carried it out
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Mar 18 - 10:29 AM

Dave,
as well as a weasel with worm like tendencies

All I have done is expressed my views without abusing anyone.
You clearly disagree with them, but that is no excuse for this nastiness and childish name calling.

Steve,
"Jews in other parties had no issue with their own parties but joined the condemnation of Labour anti-Semitism..."
You really, really can't see it, can you, Keith?

I can't see anything wrong with that statement of fact.
What is your objection Steve?

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Mar 18 - 10:32 AM

Jim,
Once again you have accused me of lying
"You have to resort to blatant lying to make a case."

Yes.
You said, "proven acts (paedophelia and rape) by Government high ups and Prime ministers."

There have been none.
It was a lie Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Mar 18 - 10:38 AM

All I have done is expressed my views without abusing anyone.
You clearly disagree with them, but that is no excuse for this nastiness and childish name calling.

You haven't. You have continued addressing me long after I have asked you to stop. That is a perfectly good excuse for the responses you get. When will you get it?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Mar 18 - 10:44 AM

You have continued addressing me long after I have asked you to stop.

I have addressed the points you made.
If you do not want them addressed, PM them to whoever it is you do want to read them.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Mar 18 - 10:48 AM

There is a huge difference between addressing a person and addressing the points. Addressing a person usually begins with the persons name. Addressing the points does not. Unless we are speaking a different language...

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Mar 18 - 10:50 AM

"There have been none."Are you claimign that the links I put up to Brittan, Proctor Heath and Boothby are lies then
If so, say so,
If not, withdraw your accusation and apologise
Brittan was probably responsible for 'disappearing the paedophelia research report
All those who were named and were let off the hook after Dolphin Square were proven predators beforehand - that is wy it is obvious that accusing one of the victims of being a fantasist was a cover-up
Odd that a "fastisisst' should select actual paedophiles to "fantasize"
What you are doing here is trying to make a case for attacking Labour whicle at the same time defending high-up actual sexual criminality
Now - Heath?, Proctor?, Boothby, Napier?, Morrison?, Hayman? Brittan? - were the links all lies
If they are not, then you are
A REMINDER - MORE TO COME
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Mar 18 - 11:01 AM

Another "innocent" Dolphin Square visitor who escaped justice
"PROLIFIC SEXUAL PREDATOR" SAYS SON
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Mar 18 - 11:01 AM

Another "innocent" Dolphin Square visitor who escaped justice
"PROLIFIC SEXUAL PREDATOR" SAYS SON
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Mar 18 - 11:21 AM

Jackaroo, I have not claimed any victory.
I thought we were just exchanging views. I am sorry if you feel defeated.
An oxymoron
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Mar 18 - 12:14 PM

My objection was clearly stated in my post, arse. Don't try to play games with me, please.