BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 04:08 PM

Yup about 7 inches in mine and I'm in town, what the moors are like ..................... the car hasn't moved in days.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 05:31 PM

Seven inches? Are you sure we're still talking about snowdrifts here, Raggytash?

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 08:25 PM

"Not a single quote yet liar Jim."
You are even lying in public about that
You really can't distinguise betwen truth and fiction any more, can you?
There's a medical description for that
"You suggeted that what was happening in the Labour party was way ahead of anywhere else - two solid accusations!"
""Jim, instaed of making false claims about things said years ago, quote me liar."""
A total lie
""Jim, instaed of making false claims about things said years ago, quote me liar."""
Another
"Muslim implants that make them rape chidren -"
You denied it - a lie
"brainwashed schoolchildren"
You denied it - yuo lied
A Want more?
Respond to these first
Jim Caarroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 03:49 AM

Liar Jim,
"Muslim implants that make them rape chidren -"

Faked quote. I never have and never would say such a ludicrous and disgusting thing.
You compound your filthy lying, liar.

You can not produce a single genuine quote of me making a false statement, because you are just a liar resorting to baseless personal attack when you can not challenge anything I actually say.

Pfr and Dave, are you claiming that Tory women allow themselves to be raped and abused without fuss for the party?
That is a preposterous argument.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 04:08 AM

Pfr and Dave, are you claiming that Tory women allow themselves to be raped and abused without fuss for the party?

Huh? Where did that come from? I have claimed no such thing and I am pretty sure PFR did not either.

You really have lost it Keith. BTW - If it is allowed it is consensual. Think about it and then fuck off.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 04:42 AM

Keith - you are lying again - that is exactly what you said
Srop adding to your list and learn to tell the difference between truth and lies - this is becoming pathological
Finished with this - as you said once - "my work is done here"
As for your obscene use of rape to gain Party Political points, let's get things clear
It is rour right politicians who insist on treating women like second class citizens for the convenience of men
THe vote, equal pay, equal rights in marriage, the right to leave the home and have a say in their and their families - and now, the right to say "no" - all the aims of progressive humanitarians and all violently opposed by right wing administrations - have you been following some of the commemoration programmes on the suffragettes?
THe only reason that women first got the vote in the first place is because they did a deal with the people who were sending a generation of young men to be slaughtered in an Imperial war - until they did they faced humiliation, imprisonment and force-feeding
Our society ahs always been a misogynist one - women being second-class citizens is an essential part of the economy
That's what these exposures of sexual abuse, harassment and rape are all about - women and pointing out what is happening to them and saying "no"
It is typical that people of the right, like you, should use the rape of women to get more right-wing (largely) men in Parliament
Using women as you are here, as political propaganda, is a form of abuse in itself - you are just as much an abuser of women as the rest of these misogynist scumbags
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 07:04 AM

Lying shit Jim,
Keith - you are lying again - that is exactly what you said

I never have and never would say such a ludicrous and disgusting thing you filthy lying shit.

Dave,
PFR said, and you agreed, By it's very democratic nature the Labour party has a tradition of being more open to scrutiny
than the far more secretive and perverted scandal prone tories..

I took that to mean that other parties have the same problem but keep quiet about it, suggesting as I said that Tory women allow themselves to be raped and abused without fuss for the party?

I am sorry if I got that wrong. What did you both mean?

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 07:37 AM

You did get it wrong.

What a surprise.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 08:22 AM

"I never have and never would say such a ludicrous and disgusting thing you filthy lying shit."
That is exactly what you said - two labour accusations of rape are far worse than anything else happening
"Dave said
"I have only intimated that there are more accusations of rape within Labour than other parties.
That is only your view, not a fact"
You responded
"It is a fact and I stand by it until someone produces similar accusations from within other parties.
If they were made they would certainly be reported."
Accusations of rape and sexual assault - even pedophilia have been pouring out for even a decade now - many of them have b=centred around politicians, Ministers, members of the House of Lords, High up Civil Servants - priests company direactors, memnbers of the Arts hierarchy ....
To claim that the pitifully few (and as yet unproven) accusations against Labour politicians is in any way significant in the tsunami of revelations is simple politicking on your part a squalid return to your "over-representation" claims about Muslims and Travellers
As far as I am concern, you are preying on the horrific events that are now coming to light - you are as much a sexual predator as are some of those monsters
No genuine human being behaves like that
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 08:34 AM

..at least Keith hasn't got round to blaming labour for the red commie russian snow ....yet.....

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 08:48 AM

Dave,
You did get it wrong.
What a surprise.

So what did it mean?

PFR,
..at least Keith hasn't got round to blaming labour for the red commie russian snow ....yet.....

I have never blamed Labour for anything.
I have reported complaints about Labour from within Labour.
With your " tradition of being more open to scrutiny" you should welcome that.

Filthy liar Jim, you ascribed to me, in quotes, a statement maligning Muslims.
That was a despicable, slanderous lie.
Those are not my views and I certainly never posted them and never would post such shit.
You are indeed a nasty, lying shit.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 09:29 AM

"That was a despicable, slanderous lie."
You've said thius a hundred toimes and a hundred times I have put up your quote - complete
"Those are not my views"
#Your statement begins, "Don, I now believe..."
Your views, nobody elses - mythical or otherwise - yours
finis
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Raggytash
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 09:30 AM

Doesn't even comprehend the difference between slander and liable.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 09:32 AM

So what did it mean?

What did what mean? PFR's comment? Ask him. WTF are you on about?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 10:03 AM

Dave,
What did what mean?

What PFR said and you agreed.

He said, By it's very democratic nature the Labour party has a tradition of being more open to scrutiny
than the far more secretive and perverted scandal prone tories..

I took that to mean that other parties have the same problem but keep quiet about it, suggesting as I said that Tory women allow themselves to be raped and abused without fuss for the party?

If not that, what did it mean?

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 10:09 AM

Lying shit Jim, everyone already knows what I said in that 2011 post, because you have told us a hundred times in the intervening years.
They also know how I justify it, but I have NEVER said what you accuse me of.

You ascribed to me, in quotes, a statement maligning Muslims.
That was a despicable, slanderous lie.
Those are not my views and I certainly never posted them and never would post such shit.
You are indeed a nasty, lying turd.

Again, if I have ever posted a false statement, QUOTE ME, LIAR!

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 10:18 AM

PFR Said that on 01 Mar 18 at 03:26.

I only made one post between then and your question "are you claiming that Tory women allow themselves to be raped and abused" on 02 Mar 18 at 03:49 AM. and that was

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome - PM
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 03:40 PM

It's just business as usual in Yorkshire :-)

What beast?

:D

In what way shape or form has your demented little mind converted that into agreement to what was said?

You have lost it big time.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 10:20 AM

Tory women allow themselves to be raped and abused without fuss for the party?
It means no such thing
Up to now, any womn that has been raped is forced to think twice before they report it because they know that they wil be raped again - this time by the skilled (and extremely expencive) defence councils who will seek to denigrate her again - the more money you have, the better defence council you can afford.
The prcentage of reported rapes are abysmally low and the percent of successful convictions even lower
The Labour party has a far better track record of examining such complaints than does the Tories - go count the number of such cases that have been suppressed - Heath's being one that should have been investigated years ago, as should a whole bundle of others
Keith was an enthusiastic participant in Israel's attempts to smear the Labour Party as "antisemitic"
Labour carried out an enquiry when the smears began - so the smears started to smear the enquiry - Keith included
At teh same time, a leading Muslim in Britain accused the Tory Party of Islmaophobia - an enquiry has yet to be held
The Tories don't like enquiris of any sort - what they can't ignore, they buy off - look how long they took to haul hout the porn horder and sex pest, Damien Greene - and our tame sex pest appeaser still defends him
And these people try to take the political hight ground - a joke!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 10:20 AM

Vulgar and fraudulent. That was a false statement you hoped to get away with, which you retracted only when found out. You also told us that Dublin wanted a hard border. Just a couple off the top of my head. *Yawn*

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 10:26 AM

BTW - I am still struggling with the concept of anyone allowing themselves to be raped. Surely rape is non consensual while allow is another word for consent. Is it another example of that different language that I keep going on about or am I missing something?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 10:53 AM

the world's gone completely bonkers, and it aint ever going to get any saner...


[though there are still some struggling pockets of resistance...]


btw... i really miss my cheeky winky sticky out tongue emoji..

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 11:27 AM

Dave,
sorry. I misremembered. It was Steve who agreed PFR's statement.
Presumably you did not agree.
It does not look as though any of you will say what it meant.

Steve you have had the vulgar and fraudulent thing explained to you enough times.
The Dublin thing too. As I posted on 10Dec17,
"I never said that Dublin or EU wanted a hard border, just threatening.
.....
Rag,
Neither the EU or the Irish Government has EVER threatened a hard border.

UK was clear it did not want or need one. It was the EU and Dublin who kept raising the threat of one even though it would be very bad for Ireland. "

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 11:35 AM

Anyone join me in supporting "Labour Too" and similar pressure groups against misogyny and exploitation?
BBC,
"LabourToo is an internal Labour Party pressure group seeking to highlight and combat sexual assaults and discrimination within the party."

"The LabourToo spokesperson said the level of inexcusable behaviour in the party which had emerged in recent months was "genuinely distressing".
"Sexual harassment, abuse and discrimination is not restricted to the corridors of Westminster, but is taking place at all levels within the Labour Party," they said.
"We need a system that is not open to political bias or interference from the friends and allies of the usually more powerful men whose behaviour causes the problem in the first place." "

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 12:22 PM

Presumably you did not agree.

There is nothing to agree or disagree about. It is his view, no more nor less. He said absolutely nothing about "Tory women allowing themselves to be raped" (I still can't get my head round that one). That was your twisted interpretation. If you want to find out if PFR believes that Tory women allow themselves to be raped then ask him. I would just tell you to go and fuck yourself but he may be more polite.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 12:33 PM

BTW - this is off the 'Labour Too' website describing who they are and their aims.

1. All of us are Labour Party members, some with many years under our belt.
2. We’ve all held positions of responsibility in the Party and have a deep commitment to its success – we act not out of any misguided sense of factionalism, lack of loyalty or hostility to current or previous leaderships.
3. We are simply interested in letting the light in to the very real experience that women have in the Party day-in day-out so that those in positions of authority have the evidence to take real action.

How the hell can you support them by slagging off the current Labour leadership (see point 2)

Hypocrite.

On the face of it they are a very sincere group with very commendable aims. They are members of the Labour party who want to make sure that nothing like this is ever swept under the carpet as it has been elsewhere. Why are the members of the other political parties not following suit?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 12:37 PM

"Anyone join me in supporting "Labour Too" a"
And till you target Labour when this is the situation in parliament
At least Labour women are standing up to a situation that is rife in our society
Stop making political captial out of an atrocity Keith - what kind of monster are you
Why aren't you supporting the #Me Too campaing, or is abuse only abuse when Labour does it?
Sicko
Jim Carroll


After #MeToo, Britain investigates sexual harassment of women at work
Lin Taylor
LONDON (Thomson Reuters Foundation) - From unwanted advances to catcalls and abuse, Britain on Tuesday launched a inquiry into sexual harassment of women at work as countless stories of misconduct spread across the working world.
The all-party Women and Equalities Committee said it aims to keep women safe in the workplace, improve handling of complaints and review legal protections for those accused of abuse, such as non-disclosure agreements, which may be used to silence victims.
“Over the past few months there have been widespread reports of women’s appalling experiences of sexual harassment at work,” said committee chair and Conservative politician Maria Miller.
“We need to change workplace culture, keep women safe and provide effective legal remedies,” she said in a statement.“We need to understand whether non-disclosure agreements are being abused by legal experts and employers to cover up wrongdoing.”
Last year, parliament became one of several institutions to become embroiled in a sexual abuse scandal after allegations against Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein sparked the #MeToo campaign, with people sharing stories of abuse on social media.
Nearly one in five people working in Britain’s parliament were sexually harassed or saw inappropriate behavior in the past year, according to a recent government report which was commissioned after a series of sex scandals at Westminster.
Evidence on workplace harassment can be submitted to the inquiry until March 13, said the committee, which scrutinizes Britain’s gender equality policies and last month launched an investigation into unwanted sexual attention in public places.
Britain’s industrial dispute body ACAS issued advice at the end of 2017 on behaviors that may be construed as harassment, such as unwanted touching, forwarding emails with sexual content or making sexual comments about a colleague’s appearance.
The charity sector has also been hit by reports of abuse, and two major aid groups - Oxfam and Save the Children - revealed they had sacked a combined 38 staff over sexual misconduct in the past year.
Oxfam was battling on Monday to save its British government funding after a newspaper reported sexual misconduct by its staff in Haiti during humanitarian relief operations there following a 2010 earthquake.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 01:06 PM

back to snow reports...

We woke up snowed in...

No recycle bins being collected today..
no vehicles are moving on our street...

Worst part is the wife was told not to go to work,
so has spent the afternoon in the living room listening to Max Boyce on alexa..

Given the choice, I'm upstairs in my computer den...

and gladly opt for an occasional dose of mudcat and Keith...

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 01:33 PM

But do Tory women allow themselves to be raped, PFR. These are the things that keefyboy is accusing you of saying. Seems a bit suspect to me but, hey, what do I know?

Have fun on your Mrs's snow day and don't do anything that Keith would do ;-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 02:21 PM

Dave,
Why are the members of the other political parties not following suit?

I suspect that it is because other parties do not have such a problem, as Labour did not until recent times.

It seems unlikely that Tory women would keep quiet about such things.
Why would they?They are already on their second woman leader, two more than any other party.

But do Tory women allow themselves to be raped, PFR.

Non-sequitur Dave. Ridiculous suggestion.
The question I put was " are you claiming that Tory women allow themselves to be raped and abused without fuss for the party?"

I thought the meaning plain, but for your simple self I meant allowing it without making a fuss afterwards.

Were PFR and Steve claiming that when they said, "the Labour party has a tradition of being more open to scrutiny" ?
To me that does suggest that it is being kept quiet in other parties.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 03:00 PM

"It seems unlikely that Tory women would keep quiet about such things.
Why would they?They are already on their second woman leader, two more than any other party."

Oh fer chrissake. Do try to be serious.

In fact, UKIP have had a woman leader and the Greens have had two. The SNP have one right now. You're so reliable with your facts, Keith. Or vulgar and fraudulent. Take yer pick.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 03:06 PM

"It seems unlikely that Tory women would keep quiet about such things. "
Mor bollocking politicizing Keith
It transpires that there is a battle going on over accuations that Theresa May has actually covered up complaints
Shhe certainly supported liar and porn user, Damien Green and MICHAEL FALLON
Stop defending these monsters Keith
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 03:27 PM

I suspect that it is because other parties do not have such a problem

So we have it right from the horses mouth. Only the Labour party have rapists in their midst.

Good grief Keith. You are one sick puppy.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 03:36 PM

"It seems unlikely that Tory women would keep quiet about such things. "
A TORY VIEW OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT
A LESS THAN LIBERAL VIEW !!
You are a dick-head Keith as well as a predator
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Raggytash
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 04:38 PM

"Rag, Neither the EU or the Irish Government has EVER threatened a hard border"

Where on earth did this come from, that post must have been MONTHS ago.

I know I should feel real sorry for the very sad little man but for some reason I cannot raise any sort of empathy.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 05:41 PM

As I have said before, Keith, someone called you a thick cunt.

I don't agree.

I doubt that you are thick.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 08:25 PM

"I doubt that you are thick."
Me neither - there are plenty of alternatives
The first time I had a major set-to with Keith he was using raped young women to satisfy his Islamophobia.
Later he used Irish children to claim Irish people were brought up to hate Britain
Then there was the excuse that refugees freeing oil wars were infiltrated by terrorists
Next we have the British Muslims who are noted as being Law-abiding who were over-represented in British prisons
More recently it was the British people who were responsible for Theresa May doing a deal with a terrorist linked political Party
Mixed into this are "lying" Jewish nurses and survivors of one of the largest massacres in the latter half of the 20th century (all to protect an extremist, ethnic cleansing regime)
Therne there were the actions of a handful of criminals being used to denigrate the whole TRaveller community
Now we have raped, molested and harassed women being used to promote a political party
I agree that "thick" falls short of a suitable description!
Maybe it's time we really stopped feeding this troll
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Mar 18 - 05:01 AM

Oh fer chrissake. Do try to be serious.

I was being serious, but to avoid nit-picking from obfuscators I should have specified the 3 main national parties.
SNP is not national. Greens have 1 MP and UKIP none.

Dave,
So we have it right from the horses mouth. Only the Labour party have rapists in their midst.

Made up slur. "I suspect that it is because other parties do not have such a problem" does not remotely say that.

I suspect that if rape and abuse were serious issues in other parties, their women would complain as much as Labour women do.

Rag,
Where on earth did this come from, that post must have been MONTHS ago.

It was, but Steve raised the issue and claimed I had lied about it.
Why do you attack me instead of the actual culprit?

Dave,
As I have said before, Keith, someone called you a thick cunt.
I don't agree.
I doubt that you are thick.

More puerile abuse. All a sad case like you can do.

Jim, you also now resort to nothing but personal attack.
As good as an admission of defeat.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Mar 18 - 05:21 AM

Nothing made up at all. You say other parties do not have the problem, therefore rape and abuse only happens in the Labour party. No amount of wriggling will get you out of that one.

I think we have found another Wheatcroft moment, Steve :-)

I may be abusive towards you, Keith, but that is because you deserve it. I can do a lot more if you like as I am better at it than you. All you come up with is 'sad'.

DtG

Oh, and get stuffed you great whingeing wazzock.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Mar 18 - 05:31 AM

"Jim, you also now resort to nothing but personal attack. "
And you have always resorting to the persecution of minorities which is why you will never "win" anything
You pollute these discussions with your hatred, intolerance and extremism
Dave has just put you in a nutshell
Jim Caarroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Raggytash
Date: 03 Mar 18 - 05:31 AM

It seems to me Dave that someone may be starting to develop some form of dementia. Joined up thinking was never their strong point but recently it seems that their ability to be logical is failing even more. Thrashing about, claiming this that and other, making remarks to people not even in that part of the discussion and losing the plot over quite basic points seems to be ever more prevalent.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Mar 18 - 09:39 AM

Dave,
You say other parties do not have the problem,

Another made up slur. Of course they do, but I suspect Labour has a much more serious problem than any other.

Unlike you Dave, I substantiate my views.


Jeremy Corbyn has been accused by nearly half the female MPs in his party of failing to stop the "disgusting and totally unacceptable" abuse of women by his supporters.
In a letter to the Labour leader, 45 female MPs say his response to the intimidation has been “inadequate” and tell him: “Jeremy, this is being done in your name.”

There has been no such outcry in any other party, and there would have been.

Now we have LabourToo, which is an internal Labour Party pressure group seeking to highlight and combat sexual assaults and discrimination within the party.

Their report has revealed Labour women have been raped, groped and harassed by men within their own party - with one MP alleged to have preyed on a drunken teenager.

They asked politicians, staff, activists and candidates from across the country to share their stories anonymously to create a detailed picture of the extend of the problem.

Their “shocking and distressing” findings, collated over a two-month period late last year, have now been collated and sent to the party’s London headquarters, where senior officials are under pressure to take action.

No other party's women have made such an outcry, and I am sure they would if subjected to the same provocation.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Mar 18 - 09:43 AM

Dave,
You say other parties do not have the problem,

Lie. I have never said that and it is not my view.
If it is not a lie, quote me.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Mar 18 - 09:51 AM

"half the female MPs in his party of failing to stop the "disgusting and totally unacceptable" abuse of women by his supporters."
Up to June last year the Labour Pary had 552,000
For arguments sake, if half of those were women (extremely doubtful) that would be 267000 women protesting about Corbyn -
Did they have a national ballot - did they write to the daily mail.... how did make these "accusations" and why hasn't it hit the headlines - what an opportunity for the bumwipe press who has been gunning for Cirbyn since he appraeed on the scene
ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND - WHAT ARE YOU ON KEITH?
Time someone upped your medication I think
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Mar 18 - 10:12 AM

how did make these "accusations" and why hasn't it hit the headlines
I did not make the accusations. They were made by female Labour members and they did hit the headlines.
(Labour Too had to compete with the snow and Brexit though.)
I just reported them.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Mar 18 - 10:13 AM

Sorry.

how did make these "accusations" and why hasn't it hit the headlines

I did not make the accusations. They were made by female Labour members and they did hit the headlines.
(Labour Too had to compete with the snow and Brexit though.)
I just reported them.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Mar 18 - 10:19 AM

Keith: "They are already on their second woman leader, two more than any other party."

Me: "In fact, UKIP have had a woman leader and the Greens have had two. The SNP have one right now."

Keith: "...to avoid nit-picking from obfuscators I should have specified the 3 main national parties.
SNP is not national. Greens have 1 MP and UKIP none."


You see, Keith, this is the heart of your credibility problem here. You got this plain wrong. It's such a blatant untruth that I can't believe that any sentient being would read it back to themselves before posting it and not realise what a goofball remark it was. The woman leader point, a brainless addendum to the error when you consider the two women in question, simply compounds the outrage. And finally, when challenged over stating a clear falsehood you characterise your challenger as being a nit-picking obfuscator. You were WRONG, Keith, blatantly so, and the challenge is perfectly clear, the very opposite of obfuscation. Disreputable behaviour, Keith, what we've come to expect from you and a great illustration as to why we can't trust a single thing you say.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Mar 18 - 10:25 AM

Yes Steve, I was WRONG.

I should have said,
"They are already on their second woman leader, two more than any other major national party."

That is what I meant. I just did not think it necessary to spell out to intelligent people.

I forgot that you people look for any trivial thing to pounce upon because you have no reply to my actual argument.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Mar 18 - 10:37 AM

"I did not make the accusations. They were made by female Labour members and they did hit the headlines."
You said nearl have the women labour Party members have complained you lied again - you appear not to be able to stop yourself - get treatment
Nobody said you made them up - who said you did - now you're imagining things
Get help
Sexual harasment is a nationwide phenomenon - only a sicko like yourself would attempt to make capital from it
Not so long ago you were defending a porno hoarding politician - because he was a high up member of the govenment
that is using harassment to gain political points
Now you are making it a Labour problem - this behaviour has been associated with politicianss from all walks of life, including high ranking ministers - even a Prime Minister
Using this t score political points as as bad as when you were using raped children to score Islamophocic ones, or Irish children to denigrate the Irish
Your condition appears to be worstening
Get help
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Mar 18 - 10:39 AM

Trivial? Ok then, it was an outright trivial lie. And, going from your past form, I suspect you knew and were trying to get away with it, just as you did with your Wheatcroft fiasco. Thing is, Keith, when you have form it's hard to regain your reputation. You could have posted a correction to what you must have known was a bullshit statement, but you didn't, and, as ever, it was down to someone else to pick you up on it. And when they did they were just nitpicking obfuscators. Disgraceful behaviour.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Mar 18 - 10:44 AM

Just to show the extent of sexual harassment in Westminster
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/westminster-sexual-harassment-one-five-report-leaked-mps-lords-staff-a8199401.html
Jim Carroll