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GUEST,Captain Swing 24 Mar 18 - 11:52 AM
GUEST,Captain Swing 24 Mar 18 - 11:54 AM
Jos 24 Mar 18 - 01:18 PM
GUEST,Captain Swing 24 Mar 18 - 01:30 PM
Helen 24 Mar 18 - 03:09 PM
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punkfolkrocker 24 Mar 18 - 03:39 PM
Kenny B 24 Mar 18 - 03:59 PM
GUEST,Captain Swing 24 Mar 18 - 04:34 PM
Georgiansilver 25 Mar 18 - 12:44 PM
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GUEST,Captain Swing 25 Mar 18 - 02:13 PM
Helen 25 Mar 18 - 02:23 PM
GUEST,Captain Swing 25 Mar 18 - 02:27 PM
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GUEST,Captain Swing 25 Mar 18 - 03:47 PM
Tattie Bogle 25 Mar 18 - 06:01 PM
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Subject: Name this tune
From: GUEST,Captain Swing
Date: 24 Mar 18 - 11:52 AM

I've written a little waltz but am having trouble finding a title for it. So I am putting it to the combined talents of the many musicians, poets, wordsmiths, philosophers and general clever clogs amongst you to provide one for me.

If you would like to have a go you will find an mp3 of the tune here:untitled waltz and if you fancy having a go at playing it, you will find chord, tab and dots here: untitled waltz

Thanks in anticipation - Cpt Swing


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: GUEST,Captain Swing
Date: 24 Mar 18 - 11:54 AM

Sorry, the second link should look like this: untitled waltz - dots, tabs, chords


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: Jos
Date: 24 Mar 18 - 01:18 PM

Listening to it made me think of sitting on a grassy slope in the sunshine, watching seagulls circling in a blue sky above the water.
Is there already a waltz called 'Seagulls'?


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: GUEST,Captain Swing
Date: 24 Mar 18 - 01:30 PM

Thanks for that Jos. I will add that to me list of suggestions. Not sure if there is a waltz called Seagulls.


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: Helen
Date: 24 Mar 18 - 03:09 PM

Nice tune, Captain Swing. I'll have to listen to it a few times to see if I can come up with another name, but Seagulls does suit it, in my opinion.


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Mar 18 - 03:13 PM

Thanks Helen
I look forward to your thoughts.

Cpt Swing


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Mar 18 - 03:39 PM

On the other hand.. to me this excellent waltz evokes a mournful mood of passing...

In movie terms, soundtrack to scenes of a country funeral in the rain /

a defeated and broken army slowly retreating from a rain and blood soaked field /

lovers parting with too many things left unfinished.. in the rain.. /

Get the drift, a beautiful tune with underlying melancholic undertones...

So I'd start by trying to derive a title from emotional resonances of heartache...

Btw.. I used to be a big fan of Gothic Alt country back when it was the next big thing...


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: Kenny B
Date: 24 Mar 18 - 03:59 PM

Valse de la Balançoire - waltz of the swing named after guess who?
It sounds a little Cajun so a French title could be appropriate. it could sound quite emotive played on an accordion or melodian


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: GUEST,Captain Swing
Date: 24 Mar 18 - 04:34 PM

Wow! Thanks punkfolkrocker and Kenny B. I agree with the imagery you suggest punkfolkrocker and it resonates with me too. I also go along with the Cajun aspect and am very taken by that title Kenny. I'm not a French speaker so that wouldn't have occurred to me.

Many thanks Cpt Swing


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 25 Mar 18 - 12:44 PM

Sounds like the tune for a new Folk song!!! Perhaps ' Sitting there at the waterside, as the seagulls come flying by'


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: GUEST,Captain Swing
Date: 25 Mar 18 - 01:09 PM

Feel free to complete it Georgiansilver!


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Mar 18 - 01:20 PM

' Sitting there at the waterside, as the seagulls come flying by'


cont - "they shat upon our picnic so we shot them out the sky..."


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: GUEST,Captain Swing
Date: 25 Mar 18 - 02:13 PM

Yep! Real emotional resonances of heartache developing here! Keep it up :)


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: Helen
Date: 25 Mar 18 - 02:23 PM

Captain Swing,

I thought of people waltzing on the green at an old country fair, with the band playing nearby, But I also thought of sunset after a sunny day with the fruit bats flying gracefully out for their evening forage, high up in the sky. (That's not an insult, by the way. I like fruit bats!)

Or if you want a more romantic effect, Les Hirondelles - the swallows - also beautiful, graceful birds.

Helen


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: GUEST,Captain Swing
Date: 25 Mar 18 - 02:27 PM

Thanks for that Helen. I particularly like Les Hirondelles.


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Mar 18 - 02:44 PM

OK - back to serious mode...

If folks are keeen on seagulls,
I'd seee them as the opening image of a song about a tragic loss at sea,
a forlorn song of lost unconsumated love..

Though I can think of a catestrophic military excercise practicing for D day
that resulted in multiple loss of young men before they were even deployed for action..


That's the beauty of this waltz of yours, it is rich enough to support multiple moods and lyric stories...


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Mar 18 - 02:47 PM

oops - accidently posted before spell check..


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: GUEST,Captain Swing
Date: 25 Mar 18 - 03:47 PM

Thanks PFR.
Someone on another web page has suggested the idea of bringing sheep home across the common at the end of the day.

I had thought of 'The Homecoming' but there is a jig and a reel with that title. Les Hirondelle is taken too.


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 25 Mar 18 - 06:01 PM

There is a jig called The Seagull, but not, as far as I'm aware, a waltz.

Had a similar problem with a waltz I wrote: the naming of it was auctioned at a charity ceilidh we did. Myson won it, but couldn't come up with a name, so in the end it became The Venturefair Waltz, the rather nice name of the street where he lives.


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: GUEST,Captain Swing
Date: 25 Mar 18 - 06:14 PM

Thanks Tattie Bogle, nice to know this has happened before. Sometimes I find it really easy to name tunes but this one is different for me because it has a sense of sadness to it but also a positive vibe. Still, as problems go, this one isn't too bad!


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 25 Mar 18 - 07:37 PM

Confession time: I posted my comment without having listened to your tune! (not convenient to launch a sound file at that precise moment!)
Well, now I have, and that is some really good tune! No name immediately forthcoming, but I'll sleep on it,


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: GUEST,Captain Swing
Date: 25 Mar 18 - 08:27 PM

Thank you Tattie B, that's very kind. I look forward to hearing your suggestions. I write tunes, obviously, to play myself but also in the hope that someone else might play them and pass them on and pass them on and pass them on. If you like it please play it and pass it on.

Peter Clayton, UK


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 25 Mar 18 - 09:54 PM

Between the Smolts and the Salmon. >


Sincerely,
Gargoyle

lies the unknown


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: Gordon Jackson
Date: 26 Mar 18 - 03:39 AM

Good morning, er, Captain.

I've played your tune from the dots (haven't listened to the MP3 yet) and I too like it very much, and I too would like to play it, either with my band or solo.

Re the name: I shouldn't get too hung up on trying to find a name that in some way captures the essence of the music. In trad, tune names are simply labels to hang on the tune. For instance, the reel 'Jenny's Wedding' doesn't have any melodic connection to said Jenny, nor her wedding - it's just a name.

I suggest you simply select a name that you like the sound of.

And, of course, let us know what you've decided on, otherwise you may find it being known by half a dozen different names, including Captain Swing's Favourite!

Incidentally, when performing the tune would we have to say 'Here's a tune composed by Captain Swing'?

Well done on the great tune!
Gordon


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: Helen
Date: 26 Mar 18 - 04:37 AM

Well, how about La Valse des Hirondelles? Or if you like the seagull idea, La Valse des Mouettes.

True confession: I'm cheating and using the Google translator, because I knew the word for swallow in French, but not the word for seagull.


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: GUEST,Captain Swing
Date: 26 Mar 18 - 06:01 AM

Gordon, I'd be delighted if you would play my tune. I will have a name for it very soon. If you do play it, please credit as Peter Clayton.

Helen, thanks for that, I'm coming round to the idea of some sort of bird!


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: GUEST,Captain Swing
Date: 26 Mar 18 - 06:21 AM

Problem solved

Many thanks for all of your responses. I've decided to call the tune The Snow Goose.

Please feel free to share and play the tune as you wish.

Peter Clayton (Cottingham, East Yorkshire)


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: GUEST,Captain Swing
Date: 26 Mar 18 - 06:39 AM

Here is a link to the revised sheet music:

https://cl.ly/2m3o083H240a

Thanks all!


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: Jos
Date: 26 Mar 18 - 10:42 AM

Well done for avoiding any feelings of resentment between 'Seagulls/Mouettes' supporters and 'Swallows/Hirondelles' supporters.


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 26 Mar 18 - 11:21 AM

Thanks: good title. Have downloaded the dots and will try it on piano and melodeon. No pun intended but it does have a real swing to it!
Will maybe try out that CloudApp for posting my own tunes.

Incidentally, there is a lovely song by Ian McCalman, called "From Greenland" - the chorus goes:
And the snow goose flies
In the northern skies
From Greenland.


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 Mar 18 - 12:12 PM

"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet"

..of course the old punkrocker in me finds snow geese to be a bit fluffy and hippy..

What matters most is it's still one of the best waltz's I've enjoyed for ages...


Obviously I'd opt for a darker "Waltz of the Carrion Crows"
or some other even more Gothic bird like Ravens...


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: GUEST,Captain Swing
Date: 26 Mar 18 - 01:03 PM

Jos - I'm glad I didn't ruffle any feathers!

Tatie Bogle - I hope you enjoy having it in your repertoire. I'll have a listen to the Ian M song.

PFR - Well if you had suggested "Waltz of the Carrion Crows" in the first place I might have gone for it straight away. I'll have to try to write it now.

I've got about 15 other tunes available at the link below. Some are OK, some less so. They are presented as sheet music and play with midi voices rather than real instruments but it suffices to give an impression of the tune. In some cases my chords are not accurate. I can update them if needed. Some of the tunes don't benefit from my attempts at writing piano parts ( I can't play the piano ) Anyway, feel free to browse and I welcome any feedback.

This link might take you to one particular tune but if you click on my name at the top right of the page you should see all of the items.
Peter Clayton's Musescore Page


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 Mar 18 - 01:10 PM

Captain - are you in UK or USA ?
because you got the Americana feel spot on with this waltz.
There were bands I was into when Alt country / America started breaking big in the UK,
and this waltz of yours would have been a stand out track on any of their CDs...

PS.. carrion crows only occured to me for self amusement in response to snow geese,
but I'd definitely look forward to more darker waltzes in this vein.... no pressure...


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: GUEST,Captain Swing
Date: 26 Mar 18 - 01:50 PM

I'm from the UK PFR. I live in East Yorkshire.

Thanks for the comment. That sound was exactly what I was aiming for.


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: Helen
Date: 26 Mar 18 - 02:12 PM

pfr, Cpt Swing told us he's from Cottingham, East Yorkshire in his post at 6.21 on 26 March.

I've never seen a snow goose, but I have good feelings about them because of the novel by Paul Gallico, which I read and re-read when I was young. The plot line ties in with the retrieval of soldiers from Dunkirk by ordinary people with small boats. It was made into a film as well. Gallico can be a bit soppy, but some of his novels are my favourites. (Totally off topic, he also wrote a book called The Silent Miaow, written from a cat's perspective, about how cats manipulate people into being their providers, supporters and slaves by clever psychological means. Very funny.)

Maybe Cpt Swing, you could write a fruit bat tune to go with the carrion crow tune. Fruit bats are loved or hated or feared, but I think they are beautiful, up close or in the skies, and even their funny chatter in the fruit trees.

I'll share your tune with our music group in Newcastle, NSW, Oz. I'm sure they will like it.

Helen


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: Jos
Date: 26 Mar 18 - 02:38 PM

'Waltz of the ravens' sounds more poetic, or leave out the carrion and just have 'Waltz of the crows', maybe. Such a difference between 'black bird' and 'blackbird'.


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: GUEST,Captain Swing
Date: 26 Mar 18 - 07:54 PM

Helen & Jos:
I've never seen a snow goose either but there is a cafe by that name half way up Ben Nevis in Scotland. We visited it in January by means of the ski gondola, ate some good hearty food, took some photos and came down again. I'll be delighted to think that my waltz is being played on the other side of the world.

The challenge to write a tune about fruit bats, ravens, crows (carrion or otherwise) is interesting. But does it have to be a waltz? A jig, reel, hornpipe perhaps?

Anyway, I'll have a go but might (as Captain Oates said) be some time.


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: GUEST,Captain Swing
Date: 26 Mar 18 - 08:58 PM

Gargoyle: Sincere apologies, somehow I skipped over your post earlier and found it again when scrolling back. 'Between smoltes and salmon' is a lovely phrase. That's another one on my list.

Best regards - Peter Clayton


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 27 Mar 18 - 07:25 AM

The Snowgoose is the alternative name for a song by Tom Napper and Tom Bliss called 'God Speed' Beautiful song.. see here. God Speed. The Snowgoose.


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: Jos
Date: 27 Mar 18 - 07:50 AM

A café halfway up Ben Nevis? It wasn't there when I went up, though it was a while ago, now. I just plodded on up without a break, a bit like going up stairs for four hours.

I like the idea of crows etc. dancing - The Rooks' Reel? 'The Jackdaw's Jig'?


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: GUEST,Captainswing
Date: 27 Mar 18 - 08:01 AM

Georgian - Yes, lovely song
Jos - it's a nice restaurant basic but good food and quite cheap - meat for skiers and climbers. You also get a nice ride in the gondola


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Mar 18 - 08:14 AM

"I like the idea of crows etc. dancing - The Rooks' Reel? 'The Jackdaw's Jig'?"

errrm... "Pterodactyl Tango"... there's a cartoon that can play out in the imagination....


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 30 Mar 18 - 03:30 AM

The prog rock band Camel did a whole album called "The Snow Goose", inspired by Paul Gallico's book, back in around 1975, I think. I sometimes play an acoustic guitar version of this at sessions:

Snow Goose Extract


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 30 Mar 18 - 03:39 AM

Captain Swing: I've never seen a snow goose either but there is a cafe by that name half way up Ben Nevis in Scotland. We visited it in January by means of the ski gondola, ate some good hearty food, took some photos and came down again. I'll be delighted to think that my waltz is being played on the other side of the world.

Actually, I think you'll find both the gondola and café are halfway up Aonach Mor, in the Nevis Range Ski Area, which is actually quite a way from Ben Nevis.

Same range, different mountain.


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: GUEST,Captain Swing
Date: 31 Mar 18 - 11:47 AM

Thanks for the correction Rob Naylor. Also, would be good if Camel tried to sue me - the publicity would be great!


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 31 Mar 18 - 12:46 PM

another clicky Link to Captain Swing\Peter Clayton's musescore page
https://musescore.com/user/5622691/sheetmusic 


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Subject: RE: Name this tune
From: GUEST,Captain Swing
Date: 31 Mar 18 - 01:46 PM

Thanks Freddy!


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