BS: present generation of student activism

Subject: BS: present generation of student activism
From: keberoxu
Date: 24 Mar 18 - 06:07 PM

This thread is being opened because
this is the topic that interested me
in a recently closed thread about the subject of today's
"March for our Lives."

Argue, if you choose, that the subject is guns.
Student activism today certainly looks hard at the gun question.
But is the activism limited to gun control and Amendment Two?

Since I'm old enough to be post-menopausal myself,
it greatly interests me to watch
an entire generation of students,
just old enough to cast vote,
responding to the threats of violence, assault, abuse, and other forms of injustice.   

This opening post comes from the greater metro Boston area,
where the March for our Lives "sibling march"
began on Malcolm X Boulevard in Roxbury,
and proceeded to the Boston Common.

The radio soundbites (no television for me)
spoke of the countless school buses full of students from all over Massachusetts,
maybe some of them were in the New England area OUTSIDE this state?

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 24 Mar 18 - 07:31 PM

Possibly, and some may have been from RI, but we did have marches here.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Mar 18 - 08:51 PM

What it comes down to is not the number of marchers, but the number who WILL vote. Not only this year, but in the future. I saw it in the Sixties: lots of noise but little voting. Then the ONG shot down students at KSU (no, I shan't discuss THAT fiasco!) and suddenly it wasn't fun anymore because "they" were using real bullets! (Granted, the folks at Jackson State knew it but it was unreal to nearly all others.)

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Mar 18 - 09:04 PM

I also predict that, like the ERA movement and many, many, others this one will also lose focus and swing off into tangential areas and eventually die a quiet death. "Divide and conquer" is a proven tactic.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 25 Mar 18 - 08:20 PM

It's good that there were voter registration booths at many places where rallies and marches were held. However people must feel that candidates present clear alternatives. I have always voted but throughout my life have known others who said they wouldn't vote because there was no difference between candidates or because they dislike both.

In future elections it will help if incumbents have kept their promises.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: Jeri
Date: 25 Mar 18 - 09:15 PM

I don't think this one will lose focus. These kids know they're in it for the long haul. And Rap, this STARTED with real bullets.
So far, they had a load more people at the marches than were at the inauguration, and their tweets are burying Trumps. Plus, from what I read from him today, he's afraid to mention the marches.

They said on MSNBC, that none of the speakers at the DC rally were over 18. I love these kids. I've been disappointed plenty of times, but I think things here are going to change.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Mar 18 - 09:21 PM

I was moved to tears at the Crowds demonstration against gun laws today (not just in the U.S. - good luck to them
Let's hope someone listens before more people 9not just kids) get slaughtered
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: Rapparee
Date: 25 Mar 18 - 09:55 PM

I do hope that my track record as a prophet is proven wrong. I really do. But I have grown cynical and disillusioned in my old age.

As for voting: if need be, if need be, vote for who you feel is the least of the evils. But

VOTE!!!

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Mar 18 - 10:36 PM

Over the past few days, Sacramento has had demonstrations against police shootings of young black men. That is the most immediate issue in this area. I'm sure the school shootings are important to our local demonstrators, but the most recent incident involved a young man being shot twenty times in his grandmother's back yard. Police thought he was holding a gun, but it was a cell phone.
I wish I knew the solution to all this violence.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: gillymor
Date: 26 Mar 18 - 08:48 AM

These protests will inevitably lose some steam but a lot of these kids will be of voting age in 2020 and some of them will be voting in November and it doesn't take much to swing a close congressional election.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Mar 18 - 10:19 AM

Complicated problems have complicated answers.

Ban all firearms? How do you propose to do it if someone won't cooperate?
Dismantle the NRA? Again, how? The First Amendment guarantees free association.
Better background checks? Great, but how do you get ever agency to cooperate? And what about entry backlogs?

Throwing money at it isn't the answer, either. We need a cultural revolution, one that returns our "gun culture" to about 1958. It's easy to pass a law, it's far, far more difficult to get it to work.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: gillymor
Date: 26 Mar 18 - 10:45 AM

The early stages of culture change are what we're observing in these protests. It may well be a long slow process but it's certainly a journey worth taking and loosening the NRA's grip on our legislators is an necessary first step. This from a gun owner, former hunter and former NRA member.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: keberoxu
Date: 26 Mar 18 - 01:35 PM

The activism itself, in students this age,
seems a change from the generation of students before this one.
Not that the previous generation of people
wasn't alive and kicking,
just that activism wasn't a thing for them.
Social activity, yes; activism, no.

Am I mistaken?

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: michaelr
Date: 26 Mar 18 - 03:50 PM

You are not mistaken. We are seeing a tipping point. These young people are outraged, and many of them will be of voting age in November. I predict that many of the NRA stooges in Congress will find themselves out of a job, and good riddance.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Mar 18 - 10:31 AM

I would assume that most of those kids have parents who aren't too keen on having them being shot.

The key to change is for it to become about as toxic for a politician to be seen as having NRA associations as it would be for them to be linked to the KKK. Getting that to happen doesn't have to wait till elections.

All the evidence I've seen indicates that most gun owners in the States, even NRA members, do not share the extremist policies towards gun regulations that the NRA espouses. They need to stop colluding in that.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: keberoxu
Date: 28 Mar 18 - 11:42 AM

Collusion is right, McG.
So there's going to be some highly emotional resistance
from people who benefit from the status quo.

Sure, it has to go;
but the conflict could get worse before it gets better.
Those students, and their families, will have to stay strong.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: EBarnacle
Date: 29 Mar 18 - 12:42 PM

Last night, at our county Democratic convention, I ended the meeting by presenting Arlo Guthrie's "Patriot's Dream" as a challenge that is being answered by the youth of this generation.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: EBarnacle
Date: 29 Mar 18 - 12:49 PM

The lyrics can be found in thread 0.7742

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Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Mar 18 - 07:37 PM

That,s a good song, Ebarnacle. Never came across it before - I've just listened to it now on YouTube. Just maybe it sounds more like a dream that could come true, rather than an elegy for past defeats.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: CupOfTea
Date: 31 Mar 18 - 09:57 AM

I, too, hope they are in for the long haul, but am afraid that the midterm election may not be as much of a start as we hope, new voters notwithstanding. We need candidates to vote FOR, not a party to vote against! Would that we had candidates who'd get the kind of loyalty the NRA backed have in abundance. Without electable candidates, a great influx of voters won't be any more effective than CPR for an assault rifle victim.

Where I am, in Ohio, a critical batch of elections may bring no change, or a swing to the right, because the Democratic Party is squabbling amongst primary candidates, in a place where we need a HUGE majority due to republican biased gerrymandering. This election's version of Berniecrats can screw the whole shooting match (so to speak).

I believe energy spent on expressions of outrage should be matched with effort to find candidates who have clear intentions to correct unjust situations. While we all vote with the heart, and emotions, being pissed off shouldn't be the primary reason for voting for someone, not if we want resolution rather than conflict.

I pray that the urge to inclusiveness that these young people show fuels their activism, and that they don't blame the current state of affairs on ALL of my generation.

Joanne, in the Democratic enclave of the east side of Cleveland

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 31 Mar 18 - 11:08 AM

"This election's version of Berniecrats can screw the whole shooting match (so to speak)."

Shouldn't it be the other way round? There seem to be plenty of indications that the victory of Trump was largely a consequence of the right wing in the Democratic Party preventing Bernie Sanders from being the candidate in November.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: gillymor
Date: 31 Mar 18 - 11:10 AM

The Democrats found "the right candidate" in Conner Lamb who went up against a lot of GOP muscle and money and won a close one in a very red district. That could bode well for the mid-terms.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Mar 18 - 01:07 PM

McGrath, et tu Russia denier?

There is a Berkeley activism I do not care for.
But Students cherished by parents is a huge unstoppable population that is endearing to all except the casual cool cruel conservative.

The clenched NRA fist of greed has a gangrene infection that may cause them to lose their hand before they lose an ar15m or their life. Corporations do not want to endorse or buy content from people or shows that are pro daughter&son murder.

Ergo while it may take up to 5 or 10 years, the NRA craze has had its day.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Mar 18 - 01:20 PM

Joanne, my son in Columbus feels the same.

When you need over twice as many votes to tie, the gerrymander needs to go.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: keberoxu
Date: 02 Apr 18 - 11:58 AM

Bernie Sanders has grown children who have campaigned for public office.

I know nothing of the adult daughter.
The adult son would be hilarious if he wasn't serious;
he has the kind of bullying insecure anger
that resists reasonable discussion,
as journalistic reports on his communications in social media
have demonstrated.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Apr 18 - 11:44 PM

The student rhetoric to not be shot in school soars above an orchestra's 200 strings like a single clarinet.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Apr 18 - 09:25 AM

"Oh, but it’s not just the expansion of their own departments that they want. At Mizzou, the demands call for “funding, resources, and personnel for the social justice centers on campus for the purpose of hiring additional professionals, particularly those of color.” But they also demand “that the University of Missouri creates and enforces comprehensive racial awareness and inclusion curriculum throughout all campus departments and units, mandatory for all students, faculty, staff and administration. This curriculum must be vetted, maintained, and overseen by a board comprised of students, staff, and faculty of color.”

So the various ethnic studies departments get to colonize every other department.

We can find the distilled essence of these demands in a single paragraph from the student demands at Brown University. It’s long and unwieldy, but I wanted you to get a sense of the bludgeoning repetition of this idea.

    We demand an increase in faculty of color hires and retention. The current plan to double faculty of color is insufficient due to the dearth of tenured faculty of color, as well as the countless faculty of color who have left Brown due to a lack of competitive pay…. We demand that the Corporation of Brown University fund tenure-track hiring lines for specialty positions in each department across disciplines, and the continued cluster hires of junior faculty of color as done in the Departments of American Studies and History. By “specialty positions” we are referring to the deliberate hiring of faculty who work on critical issues related to social justice such as topics on race, gender, sexuality, ability, and class as they pertain to specific disciplines. Furthermore, we would like the instantiation of hiring committees that would ensure Brown offers competitive salaries to top faculty of color working in the aforementioned areas. In accordance with this demand, we implore Brown’s administration—with the inclusion of undergraduate and graduate students of color—to create an external board tasked with the responsibility of reviewing each department’s progress in hiring, retaining, offering competitive salaries, and creating opportunities for advancement for faculty of color who work on social justice issues.

Boy, the phrase “competitive salaries” comes up an awful lot in there, did you notice? This reads less like a manifesto of student revolutionaries, and more like a particularly aggressive salary negotiation. But this is not about higher pay for all faculty members. Notice in the middle the emphasis on “specialty positions,” we are defined as “faculty who work on critical issues related to social justice.” So it’s a special sinecure for those with the correct political agenda.

There is a lot going on in these demands, including an attempt to turn universities into organs of leftist indoctrination, with all opposing viewpoints rigorously purged. (The Dartmouth demands include a provision specifically targeting the school’s conservative student newspaper, the Dartmouth Review, while Boston College protesters demands that their school “Reform Pedagogy & Curriculum to Reduce Eurocentric Focus and Address Racism and diversity in the classroom.” So much for “academic freedom.”)
Much of the students’ agenda consists of commanding universities to hire a specific group of people.

But underneath the creepy totalitarianism, there is a more mundane and practical purpose. Once you’re attuned to it, it’s hard not to be struck by how much of this agenda consists of commanding universities to hire a specific group of people: the professional campus “diversity” activists. Universities are exhorted to hire them, promote them, increase their budgets, pay them more, and create new offices for them with new powers.

And who do you suppose is supporting and encouraging the campus protests? Who taught them the ideas they are using, and who is egging them on? The very same faculty and administrators for whom the protesters are demanding more money and power."




http://thefederalist.com/2015/12/02/congratulations-student-protesters-you-just-got-used/

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: keberoxu
Date: 03 Apr 18 - 11:06 AM

As Jeri just reminded Rapparee above,

this started with REAL bullets.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Apr 18 - 02:18 PM

Are you suggesting a dark shadowy conspiracy that is educating students and faculty in dark arts of reform Bruce?

Isn't survival and intelligence reasons enough?

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Apr 18 - 02:30 PM

I suggest that they are being used by those that have their own goals, and that the results may be other than what is intended by the students.


Ask Trotsky sometime.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Apr 18 - 03:48 PM

How extremist to call for a fairer system, and to call for changes that you believe would help achieve that...

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Apr 18 - 04:14 PM

McGrath,

Did you even read my 03 Apr 18 - 09:25 AM clicky?

Fairer to whom? The people who get to decide what you are permitted to say ( or believe)?
The people whose approval you will need to express ANY opinion in their future?
The people who will increase the cost of college many-fold, without allowing an education in how to think?




"call for a fairer system, and to call for changes that you believe would help achieve that."

If I did call for the changes I believe in, you would certainly call it extremist- but I would call it "Radical Center" as opposed to the far Left that the article discusses.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Apr 18 - 09:32 AM

Again ( since it was ignored in the replies):

Should only ONE side be presented in education?- I say NO. Not ONLY the Conservative side, but also NOT ONLY THE LIBERAL one.
The protests are not that the Liberal side is being prevented from being made, but that the Conservative side is ALSO being presented.




"There is a lot going on in these demands, including an attempt to turn universities into organs of leftist indoctrination, with all opposing viewpoints rigorously purged. (The Dartmouth demands include a provision specifically targeting the school’s conservative student newspaper, the Dartmouth Review, while Boston College protesters demands that their school “Reform Pedagogy & Curriculum to Reduce Eurocentric Focus and Address Racism and diversity in the classroom.” So much for “academic freedom.”)
Much of the students’ agenda consists of commanding universities to hire a specific group of people."

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: keberoxu
Date: 05 Apr 18 - 12:46 PM

Spring is here,
and with it, nears the end of the school year
and graduation for high school seniors.

And it will be a graduation like none other,
in the wake of the fatalities and injuries of the
mass shootings on school campuses.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Apr 18 - 05:46 PM

It will be a graduation like a 1000 others

The student activism will save schools from so many such graduations.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: keberoxu
Date: 08 Apr 18 - 03:45 PM

At first I was indignant at the public criticism
of these teenaged survivors of school shootings.

Then the old truism occurred to me:
it shows what a threat they pose to the status quo, powers that be, what have you.

Was it not an old Roman-Empire saying:
Name me your enemies
and I will tell you who you are.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Apr 18 - 05:32 PM

What BB misses is that universities don't strive to represent one side or the other, but if the most intelligent people in the room tend to lean toward social justice and fair play, well, then sobeit. What good universities want to teach is critical thinking.

And when you post screen+ length screeds, don't be surprised if people skip over them. Learn to summarize and post links to reasonable sources and your readership will go up.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Apr 18 - 06:00 PM

When truth starts appearing to be one-sided, I think you need to consider the reason may be that the "other" side may just have problems with thruthiness.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 Apr 18 - 08:58 AM

Jeri,

So when ONLY the conservative viewpoint was taught, it idicated that the liberal view had problems with truthfulness?


Acme,

As I stated, MY problem is with the idea that ONLY one siode is permitted to be expressed.

TO REPEAT ( Since some here seemed to miss it):

Should only ONE side be presented in education?- I say NO. Not ONLY the Conservative side, but also NOT ONLY THE LIBERAL one.
The protests are not that the Liberal side is being prevented from being made, but that the Conservative side is ALSO being presented.

"There is a lot going on in these demands, including an attempt to turn universities into organs of leftist indoctrination, with all opposing viewpoints rigorously purged. (The Dartmouth demands include a provision specifically targeting the school’s conservative student newspaper, the Dartmouth Review, while Boston College protesters demands that their school “Reform Pedagogy & Curriculum to Reduce Eurocentric Focus and Address Racism and diversity in the classroom.” So much for “academic freedom.”)
Much of the students’ agenda consists of commanding universities to hire a specific group of people."




"What good universities want to teach is critical thinking."

I am in total agreement with this- a pity that the protestors do not appear to be.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 Apr 18 - 09:00 AM

Jeri,

Pravda.

Who gets to define the Truth? I would hope that, especially in universities, it should be a matter of open discussion and NOT passed down from ideologues as group-think.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Apr 18 - 11:34 AM

"So when ONLY the conservative viewpoint was taught, it idicated [sic] that the liberal view had problems with truthfulness?"

I wasn't talking about teaching. The "student activists" are writing their own scripts.
Expressed, and unfortunately the lies get out there too. And I very distinctly typed "truthiness", because Jon Stewart.

You have to listen to both sides, at least until you're sure one side is significantly full of shit, then make up your own mind. I sometimes see Fox, because it's on at the gym...until I start swearing and saying "that's NOT F*ING TRUE!" and people on the other bikes look at me funny, and the TV is way too far away to hit with my water bottle, anyway, plus they'd kick me out.
But consider the liberal idea "the President lies".
...and the conservative answer: "he does sometimes, but he's still our guy, so we give him a pass.
Liberal idea: Unrestricted access to military-style weapons isn't a good thing"
Conservative: So what?! Don't mess with my guns!
or, more realistically:
I agree with you, but the NRA doesn't, and they own my candidate.

It's not actually a partisan issue.
If you believe trying to stop gun violence IS, you're somewhat of an outlier.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 Apr 18 - 11:46 AM

Jeri,

Please see my postings before commenting. I had posted about the present student activists that are making demands in schools.

Date: 03 Apr 18 - 09:25 AM


Gun violence is not mainly caused by AR-15s,nor are student deaths , by a large amount, caused by gun violence.

If the students had concerns about student deaths, they could address drunk driving ( when do we raise the age for ALL DRINKING TO 21, AND ENFORCE IT?) , distracted driving (lets make cell phones illegal to the under 21 year olds), and being hit by lightning ( a greater chance than being shot in a school)

If a person at 18 is NOT mature enough to own a gun, I do NOT think they are mature enough to drive a car, decide to have an abortion, or use drugs such as pot. All more deadly by the statistics. Nor should they vote or serve on juries.

Are you trying to reduce deaths, or take away guns? Given the known number of deaths PREVENTED by firearms, the removal of guns FROM LAW-ABIDING citizens would leave a net INCREASE in gun deaths.

Why don't we outlaw shooting other people instead?

Oh yeah, we already have AND IT IS STILL HAPPENING. We must need more laws, since the ones we keep passing fail to stop the criminals.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Apr 18 - 11:57 AM

Somebody done drinked the NRA Kool aid.
I'm out.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 Apr 18 - 12:00 PM

I do not believe that reducing the ability of law-abiding citizens will reduce the number of people killed.

I do not believe that passing meaningless laws will make the criminals less likely to get weapons.

I do not believe that outlawing guns BASED ON THEIR APPEARANCE is an effective way to get a safer world


"Unrestricted access to military-style weapons isn't a good thing"

So wrong in so many ways:
1. How is it unrestricted , legally? It requires a background check, sales records, forms certifying the mental health of the buyer, age restrictions ( presently 18 at least)for ANY rifle .
2. Define military style? Black with a bayonet stud? So they do what happened last time "assault rifles" were banned, and put pink stocks on them, take off the bayonet mount, and put a 50 round internal magazine ( not removable, so it was OK according to the law.) THAT made it permitted, unlike the standard rifle with a detachable 20 round magazine. In MD, it is ILLEGAL to transfer, manufacture, or sell a magazine capable of holding over 10 rounds- but for those who ignore the law ( like most criminal????) ANY 3-D printer can make 30 round AR-15 magazines out of plastic. They MIGHT need to go to the hardware store to get a spring, if they don't have a coat hanger handy.


Is it a good thing to ONLY allow the criminals to have weapons?

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 Apr 18 - 12:19 PM

I think rather that many here have drunk the Liberal "Make a law and ignore the problem" kool aid.



http://thefederalist.com/2018/03/26/march-lives-blames-everyone-except-failed-protect-parkland/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulhsieh/2018/03/20/any-study-of-gun-violence-should-include-how-guns-save-lives/#2029a5cc5edc

Further, the NRA accounts for a small portion of the spending on lobbying. In 2017 the NRA spent $5.1 million lobbying Congress on firearms issues, which accounts for just 0.15 percent of the $3.34 billion spent on lobbying last year.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/19/want-gun-control-stop-calling-nra-terrorist-organization/

http://thefederalist.com/2018/04/03/gun-control-reduce-murder-lets-run-numbers-across-world/

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: keberoxu
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 04:42 PM

What may also contribute to the culture that is confronted by activists, especially student activists, is summarized in an op-ed
on gun control by historian author Colin Woodard.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: beardedbruce
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 05:27 PM

An excellent article.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: keberoxu
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 07:53 PM

First Massachusetts, and today Rhode Island,
have passed state legislation banning bump stocks
and making red-flag regulations about potential gun buyers.

The kids are making a difference.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: keberoxu
Date: 19 Apr 18 - 06:54 PM

20 April has more than one anniversary attached to it.
For the purpose of this thread topic,
the student activists of this year
observe 20 April as the date of the Columbine High School mass killing.
It was in 1999, nineteen years ago.

On that day a National School Walkout is planned.

Journalists (CNN, eg) have pointed out that
no small number of today's high-school or junior-high-school activists
were not yet born on 20 April 1999.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: keberoxu
Date: 21 Apr 18 - 01:29 PM

In Prescott, Arizona,
the school went further than a walkout.
Several students went to the staff and talked with them
about a rally onsite at the school.
The faculty and administrators worked with the students,
and on Walkout Friday,
the students left their classes and
went to the rally within the school.
The rally was peaceful, respectful, and emotional. A win - win.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: keberoxu
Date: 19 May 18 - 07:18 PM

And with this past week's fatal school shooting in southeastern Texas,
the activists -- students, parents, teachers --
have yet more to be outraged about.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: keberoxu
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 12:24 PM

The school shooting at the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Broward County, Florida,
yielded some of the best-publicized student activists in favor of gun control in the United States.

The fallout continues at the high school.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: keberoxu
Date: 24 Mar 19 - 08:20 PM

It is heartbreaking to learn of
Parkland / Margery-Stoneman-Douglas survivors
committing suicide -- two in one week --
at the anniversary of the shooting.
At least one of them used a gun to do it,
presumably the student's parents had a gun in the house.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: keberoxu
Date: 14 Feb 20 - 07:14 PM

And it's another Parkland mass-shooting anniversary.
More power to those young survivors,
especially the activists.

Subject: RE: BS: present generation of student activism
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Feb 20 - 07:18 PM

Hey Sandy, hey Sandy, why were you the one?
All the years of growing up are wasted now and gone
Did you see them turn, did you feel the burn of the bullets as they flew?
Hey Sandy, hey Sandy, just what did you do?…