BS: If Russia didn't do it..?

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Apr 18 - 03:27 PM

There are one or two missile polishes on here, Robo. I take it it is a euphemism for What it sounds like? :-)

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Apr 18 - 03:29 PM

We danced like it was 1999 back in 1999...
and nothing too bad happened when the fireworks went off to welcome in 2000...

..so that was a bonus 18 years of extended world peace... mustn't grumble....

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Apr 18 - 03:34 PM

... I suppose by 'world peace' I really meant semi rural Scrumpyshire hasn't yet been incinerated off the west country map...

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 13 Apr 18 - 03:38 PM

5 pints of scrumpy down your neck and you may feel you have been incinerated come morning.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Apr 18 - 03:47 PM

I have Morrison's Nero d'Avola breathing. It comes from Sicily but I have it on good authority that the Mafia's methods are a bit less subtle than the resort to novichuckychuckchuck on your corkscrew.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Apr 18 - 03:50 PM

What about the Yorkshire get on your nerve agent?

Novi ay up chuck.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: bobad
Date: 13 Apr 18 - 04:24 PM

there are always those who follow the party line and those who think for themselves.

EXACTLY!..............like on here, there are those following the Russian party line and there are those thinking for themselves and arriving at the only logical conclusion.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Apr 18 - 05:07 PM

You are so funny, bobad.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: peteglasgow
Date: 13 Apr 18 - 05:15 PM

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Apr 18 - 05:19 PM

Bob - amazing... you'll have to teach the rest us your signature 'turn what someone said the other way round' comedy routine..

We'd love to have a go at trying it.....

Some vintage performers are still working in their 80s doing the same hilarious set pieces...

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 04:34 AM

Dave,
The scientists know that they cannot confirm who made and delivered the agent. I believe them.

So do I, but there is other evidence.
That is how all those national governments were convinced.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 04:51 AM

One day all will learn it is the agenda that drives the responses.
This was scripted long ago. Lies are handed out as palliatives to keep the sheep happily grazing while all hell breaks loose. Those dominoes will fall - deep state demands it!

Hegemony
oil dollars
Control
The paradigm that will not be shifted (YET!)

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 06:52 AM

Lies would not have convinced every EU nation, plus Canada, Australia and all the other well informed liberal democracies in the world, and the Labour Party's leadership.

Unless you think they are all in on the lie.
I think that just Russia is lying again, as it has done so often in recent years, e.g. lied about cheating in the Olympics, lied about its intervention in Crimea, lied about the shooting down of a Malaysian airliner, lied about their murder of Litvinenko,.........

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 07:43 AM

They are all not telling the truth..

Some more than others...

But we don't know which... and neither will future historians...

'they've' made sure of that...!!!

In this game objective 'truth' is not paramount.
What scores and wins most is that which appears to be true and convincing enough
to conceal and achieve true desired objectives.....


...Just a roughly remembered paraphrase of a little something I learned over 35 years ago on a Degree course focusing on Belief & Ideology...

Now back to the petty day to day routine of eating, shitting, and seeking distracting amusements
whilst worrying about family health and money...

I need pricey replacement tuners for a guitar...
I wonder how imminent world destruction will affect credit card repayments...
Better get that ebay order in quick.....

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 07:53 AM

all the other well informed liberal democracies
The same "well informed liberal democracies" who stood by silently and did nothing and massacred his own people
The same crowd who stood by silently while e America poured burning petrol on barefoot farmers
These people mey be well informed but there's little liberal or democratic about these people when it comes to national self-interest
Give it a rest Keith - your record's worn out and it was crap to start with
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 07:55 AM

I am quite sure all the players lie through their teeth. Therefore as no one can be believed we have to rely on the balance of probabilities.
If Assad is winning and clearing out the last nest of vipers near Damascus he would have to be particularly braindead to gas his own people. He may be many things but his education and past profession clearly shows stupidity is not one of them.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: bobad
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 07:56 AM

I wonder how imminent world destruction will affect credit card repayments...

Not much to worry about on that front I'm afraid. Remember Putin's threat that he would shoot down any missiles fired against Assad and how Russia has all these formidable weapons with the ability to evade any countermeasures? Someone who brags about the size and ability of his armaments is like someone who brags about the size of his dick and what he can do with it - he is trying to cover up his shortcomings.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 08:18 AM

"but his education and past profession clearly shows stupidity is not one of them."
Never worked with Oxford and Cambridge
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 08:28 AM

Bob - trouble with the dick analogy, is our band used to have a singer who bragged about his non stop...

.. the jammy bastard.. it was actually as huge as he boasted,
and he used it frequently, successfully, extremely promiscuously...

Most annoyingly, I copped off with one of his ex conquests, and she wouldn't shut up about the size of his tackle,
even while me and her were having quite a pleasant time together in bed...

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: bobad
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 08:40 AM

As the song says Punky, it ain't the meat it's the motion.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 08:54 AM

" Remember Putin's threat that he would shoot down any missiles fired against Assad and how Russia has all these formidable weapons with the ability to evade any countermeasures?"
He further said retaliation would occur should Russian service personnel be put at risk.
So what are you attempting to say?

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 08:56 AM

Maybe world leaders should just get together in a locked room and slap their tackle out on the conference table
just to just get it over and done with once and for all *...

...then zip back up, and get on with running the world peacefully for the rest of us;
which is actually the job we're paying those bloated ego arseholes to do...


[* ok.. bit of a glitch in the plan how May can join in..
maybe she could be the one going round the table with a ruler and notepad...???]

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 09:05 AM

"but his education and past profession clearly shows stupidity is not one of them."
Never worked with Oxford and Cambridge"

Try and grow up jimmie. I appreciate it is a challenge for you.

I have worked with a number of graduates from Damascus University.
They were all extremely capable.

Do you seriously think all those with an expensive education from eton and degrees from Oxford and Cambridge represent the Crème de la crème?
Such a belief could explain your bizarre postings.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: bobad
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 09:23 AM

French Declassified Intelligence Report Claiming Assad Behind Syria Gas Attacks

Complete report: Here

On the basis of this overall assessment and on the intelligence collected by our services, and in the absence to date of chemical samples analysed by our own laboratories, France therefore considers (i) that, beyond possible doubt, a chemical attack was carried out against civilians at Douma on 7 April 2018; and (ii) that there is no plausible scenario other than that of an attack by Syrian armed forces as part of a wider offensive in the Eastern Ghouta enclave.

The Syrian armed and security forces are also considered to be responsible for other actions in the region as part of this same offensive in 2017 and 2018. Russia has undeniably provided active military support to the operations to seize back Ghouta.

It has, moreover, provided constant political cover to the Syrian regime over the employment of chemical weapons, both at the UN Security Council and at the OPCW, despite conclusions to the contrary by the JIM.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 10:06 AM

"Try and grow up jimmie. "
Try to act like an adult who knows enough to know that intelligence has nothing to do with education - two separate things altogether
Please take your inferiority complex elsewhere
Your attempts at bullying become sillier and sillier considering your llack of manners, knowledge and intelligence
Grow up - it was a **** joke
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 10:24 AM

Oi... there'll be no joking here... world war 3 is a very serious business
best left to our betters and superiors to conduct as they see fit...

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 10:33 AM

pfr Does that not mean we should send them all to the front line? There can be no better place to see what gives.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 10:41 AM

Iains - yeah once they've finished measuring and comparing dicks...
tool em up with axes and mace - game of thrones style...

so we can all watch it televised live....

A bit like teatime "It's a knock out"...

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 10:47 AM

PfR [* ok.. bit of a glitch in the plan how May can join in..
maybe she could be the one going round the table with a ruler and notepad...???] - she'll take Boris as an example

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 10:51 AM

Should give them sticks and stones. Then they can get some practice in for round 2.

Pause for thought. All that glisters is not gold!

https://southfront.org/there-are-some-problems-with-gas-cylinders-videos-used-by-white-helmets-as-evidence-of-douma-attack/

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 01:43 PM

PFR,
They are all not telling the truth..
Some more than others...

Russia lies to conceal its guilt.
What possible motive have Australia, Sweden and all those other nations got, to pretend to be convinced of their guilt while knowing them to be innocent?

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 01:52 PM

It must be such a lovely simple comfortable life not being sceptical or cynical
of the self interested nationalist motives and allegiances of international diplomats.....

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 02:03 PM

she'll take Boris as an example

That would be completely unfair. Men's private parts should never be measured against a dick like that...

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 04:20 PM

A spiffing fairy tale attached! or is it??????????

http://www.moonofalabama.org/



The official stories have more holes than a Swiss cheese.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Apr 18 - 03:47 AM

Once again your extreme views are totally out of touch and unrepresentative of normal UK views.

It is ludicrous to suggest that the whole world is lying except Russia, the one government who make lying an art form.

Outside of RT, where can your views be found lads?

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 15 Apr 18 - 04:16 AM

Keith the entire exercise is a means to an end.
A swiss lab claims the nerve agent is a Nato product, the coalition claims it is Russian.
The latest jolly jape is that the rain washed the poison off the doorhandle and therefore degraded it. Strange that the house shown has a canopy/porch over the front door.
Photographs show a poison gas cylinder supposedly on a roof, beside a hole made by something of very different construction. The photo indicates nothing of the sort, it could equally be a ground floor with ordnance penetration into a basement.

Need I continue?

It is very convenient to toe the party line.

In war the first casualty is truth.

I repeat my original argument from many months ago. If Assad is winning why invite a worldwide condemnation by gassing his own people.
Especially when mopping up the last pocket of resistance in the area.

The attacks would have occurred anyway. If not this pretext then another. The neocon blueprint was laid out years ago. Russia has thrown a spoke into it. Syria, Iran, then Russia.
Strange that a similar argument to mine on sky TV was pulled.
Try joining a few dots, instead of blindly following the herd.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Apr 18 - 11:56 AM

A swiss lab claims the nerve agent is a Nato product

Really? I will trust OPCW over this supposed "Swiss lab."

The latest jolly jape is that the rain washed the poison off the doorhandle and therefore degraded it.

Really? Even if true how would that be relevant? Who is claiming it?

Photographs show a poison gas cylinder supposedly on a roof, beside a hole made by something of very different construction.

Huh?

Need I continue?
It is very convenient to toe the party line.

No-one is toeing a party line.
Everyone except RT and the dominant extremists here accept the obvious truth.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Apr 18 - 12:59 PM

I concur Keith

The possibility remains that Iains only wants us to believe he is a Russian social media provocateur.


naah

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Apr 18 - 01:06 PM

There also remains the possibility that "Keith A of Hertford" is now a team sharing crib sheet pre-fab scripted arguments,
and perhaps even a log-in ID...?????

Ah.... the wonders of the marvelous internet age...!!!

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Apr 18 - 01:39 PM

PFR, can you challenge anything I have said?
Please specify anything I got wrong instead of just attacking me.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 15 Apr 18 - 01:47 PM

For Keef:


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/01/world/europe/russia-sergei-skripal-uk-spy-poisoning.html


https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/04/knobs-and-knockers/

It will be interesting to see how parliament reacts to all this.
Why the three line whip I wonder?
Beware the ides of april mayhap?

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Apr 18 - 03:43 PM

Donuel, if you can't be open-minded here you shouldn't join in. You appear to be blindly and opportunistically anti-Russia and that is a stance that gets us precisely nowhere. Some of us simply want to get to the bottom of what's been going on, to be told the truth. You appear to be an aficionado of the bobad/Bruce/Keith lynch mob school of thought. It's very unhelpful.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: bobad
Date: 15 Apr 18 - 04:22 PM

the bobad/Bruce/Keith lynch mob school of thought

You left you list incomplete Shaw, allow me to complete it for you:

Every EU nation, plus Canada, Australia, the US and all the other well informed liberal democracies in the world, plus the Labour Party's leadership.

There, that should cover it.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Apr 18 - 04:35 PM

I still believe that the scientists say that they cannot confirm who manufactured and delivered the agent. That being the case, why do those politicians who have a vested interest in it being the Russians not dispute that claim? Apart from BoJo of course who would not know the truth if it but him on the bum.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 15 Apr 18 - 04:54 PM

From the daily wail
Former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia were saved from death because the deadly nerve agent smeared on their front door was 'washed off by the rain'.
Ex-Russian scientist Vil Mirzayanov says in such weather conditions this substance could be used only by an idiot who knows nothing about the chemical characteristics of Novichok.

Was he a useful idiot or useless idiot??




http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5616859/Novichok-Salisbury-hitman-failed-kill-Skripals-raining.html

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: bobad
Date: 15 Apr 18 - 04:59 PM

It's a good thing that those whose opinions matter are capable of deductive reasoning.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Apr 18 - 05:47 PM

It is indeed, No bad :-)

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Apr 18 - 04:04 AM

As I keep saying, bobad, three or four billion people believe in God and they're all wrong. I won't try to impress you with a long list of their names.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Apr 18 - 04:44 AM

Dave,
I still believe that the scientists say that they cannot confirm who manufactured and delivered the agent.

Only because their remit does not permit them to.
They got round it by saying they confirmed UK scientists' conclusions.

politicians who have a vested interest in it being the Russians

They do not. There interest is in exposing the culprit of an attempted double murder using nerve gas in a UK town.

The evidence must be convincing because it has convinced every EU nation, plus Canada, Australia, the US and all the other well informed liberal democracies in the world, plus the Labour Party's leadership.

The only doubters are enemies of our Western democracies like you extremists here.

Steve,
four billion people believe in God and they're all wrong. I won't try to impress you with a long list of their names.

A short list of some believers you may have heard of,
JF Kennedy, Martin Luther King. Barack Obama, Nelson Mandela, ....
All fools?

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Apr 18 - 05:05 AM

Porton Down experts unable to verify precise source of novichok