BS: If Russia didn't do it..?

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 04:09 PM

Cant tell you.
All DC Thomsom employees signed a non disclosure agreement and you got sent to work for the Sunday Post if you broke it.
Isvestia tried to copy it but the H.o.N man foiled it while he was working undercover   ...... Allegedly

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 04:01 PM

Did you get a mention in dispatches from the Dandy? or were you creating cutaway diagrams of barrel bombs for the Eagle?

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 03:53 PM

New conspiracy theory made up by me .... why not?

White helmets ( AKA rentamob, private army doing good deeds like Crusaders in their spare time), financed by? plant some uninspiring gear and pay peanuts to kids to be filmed. to cause international consternation regarding poison gas to which POTUS retaliates and convinces his allies? to blow up a couple of sheds to convince his gullible converts to vote for a Trump led Republican party at the upcoming elections.

Seen it before .... I was war correspondent for the Beano

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 03:39 PM

Interesting the white helmets scarpered from Douma on the same coaches as the terrorists. I presume they learnt their next script while on the bus.
You can tell a man by the company he keeps, as someone is wont to tell us!

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 03:30 PM

The standard warhead has been replaced with a large pressurized gas cylinder, and tail fins have been added to the rocket. The munition matches exactly with the design of munition used in the January 22 2018 chlorine attack in Douma, Damascus, as well as chlorine attacks that …

Do you reckon that represents the acme of Russian missile development brought in to aid Assad, or do you think a pointy head headlopper knocked it up in his garden shed?

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 03:22 PM

https://gowans.wordpress.com/2018/04/08/eight-reasons-why-the-latest-syria-chemical-weapons-attack-allegations-are-almost-certai

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 03:16 PM

Well here's a list of things I need to be a bit more certain about:

It actually did happen.

It was what chemical?

It was delivered by a barrel bomb.

It was dropped by a helicopter.

The rebels don't have helicopters.

It definitely wasn't a put-up job.


Prove all those things, chaps. The first casualty of war is the truth. You can say all these things as often as you like, no matter even if they come from the mouths of your trusted authority figures. I don't trust 'em, you see. I don't think I'm an extremist just because I don't trust what politicians say. I think I'm being very sensible, in fact. I stood in a very cold town square in Bude in March 2003, holding hands in a circle of people who didn't trust politicians. The powers that be told us that we must have been wrong because "only a million" of us turned out, nationwide, on that chilly March day. But we were right, weren't we? Almost a million Iraqis died, millions more were left in misery and a Pandora's box of terrorism was unleashed on the world that we are still living with. You've forgotten that bIt, some of you.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 02:59 PM

There is a glaring omission in that the OPCW has clearly stated on numerous occasions that the "headloppers" also lob gas cylinders about with gay abandon and fabricate their own launchers. Don't ever see sky,bbc and cnn reporting this now do you?


http://www.comedonchisciotte.net/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=5206

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 02:57 PM

Another viewpoint- but one with obvious biases...


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All depends on whose propaganda one wishes to believe. Seems like the story fits exactly into what the goal of this group purports to be.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 02:49 PM

This will not go down well!


http://truepublica.org.uk/united-kingdom/the-smoking-gun-evidence-in-syria-that-should-bring-the-british-government-down/

One of our ,no less!

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 02:39 PM

PFR,
As an ex AV technician, I am talking hypothetically about ONLY the most commonly shown clip on BBC

Our media did not show the more distressing clips of dead and dying kids.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 02:38 PM

"Standard manufacture of chlorine is by..." Not always, for use as a weapon. Standard chemical rounds/bombs are two chemicals that, when combined, form the desired agent. That was what was found in Iraq, BTW ( Several thousand empty rounds, as the chemicals are not usually stored in the shell. But we know Saddam didn't have anything like that- he even told us he had destroyed the ones the UN had found earlier. He wouldn't have lied about that, would he?

And there were a number of truck convoys seen just before the US invasion of Iraq, going from the Iraqi chemical weapons facilities and arms storage to Syria. Could the chemicals to produce weapons have been in those trucks?





And as an aside:



"A Russian journalist who reported on political scandals linked to President Vladimir Putin's associates and the death of Russian mercenaries in Syria has died in hospital after a mysterious fall from his apartment. CBS News partner network BBC News reports that neighbors found Maxim Borodin badly injured on the ground outside his fifth floor apartment in Yekaterinburg on April 12.

Local and regional authorities told the BBC that no suicide note was discovered and the door to his apartment was found locked from the inside. They said no criminal activity was suspected.

But Vyacheslav Bashkov, a friend of the deceased journalist, told the British network that Borodin had called him early on the morning of April 11, saying there was "someone with a weapon on his balcony and people in camouflage and masks on the staircase landing."

Bashkov described Borodin as a "principled, honest journalist," and told the BBC he called back later on the 11th to say he must have been wrong about his apartment being surrounded around 5 a.m., and that the mysterious armed individuals were apparently taking part in a security exercise.

The representative for media freedom at a European security organization told the BBC that Borodin's death should be investigated.

Harlem Désir of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe said the circumstances of the death were "of serious concern."

Borodin had reported recently on the death of hundreds of Russian mercenaries killed in U.S. airstrikes in northern Syria, after U.S.-allied forces came under attack in the region.

He had also investigated the bizarre story of a Belorussian sex worker arrested in Thailand who claims to have recorded conversations with a Russian oligarch which prove Russia meddled in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

In October last year, a prominent journalist for one of Russia's leading news radio stations was stabbed in the throat by an unknown attacker who burst into her studio. Tatyana Felgenhauer is the deputy editor of Ekho Moskvy, often described as Russia's only independent news radio station.

Another popular Ekho Moskvy host, Yulia Latynina, fled Russia in September following a suspected arson attack on her car. After that attack, the Committee to Protect Journalists urged Russian authorities "to identify and prosecute those responsible for the attacks."

Russia's myriad state-owned media have long targeted Ekho Moskvy for its critical reporting of the Kremlin.

Felgenhauer survived, but the attack on her was only the latest -- unless the circumstances of Borodin's death are linked to crime -- in a series of as-yet unsolved attacks on Russian journalists."

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 02:36 PM

Standard manufacture of chlorine is by the electrolysis of table salt.

Yes, but much easier to use chemical reagents.
Having said that I see that pressurised chlorine gas has been used in Syria.

Syrian chemical weapons use backed-up by second ...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/...
Chlorine gas canister munitions have been photographed at the sites where tests conducted by The Telegraph demonstrated that the Assad regime had conducted gas attacks on civilians.
bellingcat - New Details of the February 1st 2018 Chlorine ...
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2018/02/12/new-details...

The standard warhead has been replaced with a large pressurized gas cylinder, and tail fins have been added to the rocket. The munition matches exactly with the design of munition used in the January 22 2018 chlorine attack in Douma, Damascus, as well as chlorine attacks that …

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 02:35 PM

Jim - this is pointless if we are not talking about the same clip.

As an ex AV technician, I am talking hypothetically about ONLY the most commonly shown clip on BBC
[well the one I see most of]
of kids being water blasted with hoses, and puffed with inhalers.

And for that ONE clip, I stand by what I say about the easy logistics
of quickly faking something very similar...
IF any one was motivated to do that...

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 02:24 PM

"Anyone capable of using a Hi res phone cam and organizing quickly briefed activists into an impromtu improvised shoot"
Sorr PFR - you're beginning to sound more and more like Iains every minute
And then there's the planning conferences between the allies...
Nah - doesn't make sense to me
These were elderly men women and children I saw, and medical teams
Cecil B De M would have taken weeks to set up such a scene involving so many genuine-looking extras
As I said - Russia's and Syria's track-record clinches it for me - they've both been there and done this before - many times
Leopards - spots and all that
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 02:10 PM

" and chlorine would be generated from chemicals within the munition."
Standard manufacture of chlorine is by the electrolysis of table salt.
You'd be damm clever to fit that in a munition.
I am always ready to be corrected but the standard delivery of chlorine is by compressed gas.
The conventional understanding of barrel bomb is a drum packed with explosive and scrap iron to produce shrapnel.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 01:46 PM

bob - that's right, we gotta retain a sense of humour...

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 01:45 PM

Jim - on a practical level..
If that scene in the hospital with hoses and inhalers was staged,
it wouldn't have taken much planning or time at all.

Anyone capable of using a Hi res phone cam and organizing quickly briefed activists into an impromtu improvised shoot
could have knocked that up very quickly indeed.

Just add genuinely terrified kids to add to the realism.

I'm not saying that is what happened, and it is not genuine.
But just pointing out how easy and quickly a scene like that could have been contrived as pure propaganda.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: bobad
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 01:42 PM

humanistic pacifist 'opponents'

Lololol!

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 01:36 PM

"My straight answer is I DON'T KNOW...."
Nobody does, but I would have thought that such a deception involving cameraman, civilians, children and rescuers would have taken a bit of organisation and rehearsal - wouldn't have thought that there was time to have done that
I cannot see why it should not have been Russia, given their track-record in Chechnya - it's not the same country I held out great hope for all those years ago
As for Assad - Chemical attacks and slaughtering civilians appears to come second nature to the old friend and ally of Britain
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 01:23 PM

"surely you are not suggesting that adult non-combatants colluded to blame Assad and Russia?"

Jim - of course I'm not, why would I..???

.. well not all of them.......

..and if any at all, then that's open to the reasonable conjecture that permeates these current threads...

My straight answer is I DON'T KNOW....

But anything is seemingly possible in that shelled to shit death zone...

.. and most folks would place safety of children, the next generation, as a priority for saving...

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 01:12 PM

"kids need protecting from the adults in Syria.."
I would have thought that both children and adults need protecting from the regime once the fighting stops - surely you are not suggesting that adult non-combatants colluded to blame Assad and Russia?
Assad is notorious for taking revenge on anybody he identifies as a non-supporter (ask Keith - he's an admirer who wanted to sell him riot-control equipment)
Anybody who supported the original Arab Spring protests fit neatly into Assad's (mark for special treatment) category
We really 'ain't seen nuffin yet'
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 01:02 PM

Oh yes it is. It is nothing but name calling. It's the refuge of someone with a weak position trying to denigrate his opponent in order to bolster himself. It's base."

bob - pack it in.. it's not going to work..

just makes you look like a sanctimonious buffoon running out of ideas
in your perpetual offensive against humanistic pacifist 'opponents'......

There are plenty of other things you can pick on to berate me for,
but 'self esteem issues' is not one of them...!!!!


.. and I don't care either if your dick is bigger than mine...

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 12:50 PM

Jim, no-one would describe Putin's regime as a "free, decent, democratic country."

He regards such countries as his enemy.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 12:49 PM

Jim - haven't seen them all...
BBC seems very selective of the one main clip mostly being repeated...

But the main point should be whoever is to blame for what,
those kids need protecting from the adults in Syria..

And from becoming further 'collateral damage' by 'our' or any other nations bombing PR stunts...

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: bobad
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 12:46 PM

oh no it isn't...!!!

Oh yes it is. It is nothing but name calling. It's the refuge of someone with a weak position trying to denigrate his opponent in order to bolster himself. It's base.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 12:45 PM

What I don't understand about all this is, as far as I am concerned the Soviet Union shook off the "shackles of communism" twenty eight years ago and became part of the Democratic world, no those rightists who are condemning Russia appear to be suggesting that being one of the "free, decent, democratic countries" as our resident Lord Haw-Haw has described them, is capable of massacring civilians and using chemicals on them
I can't ever remember a Communist country ever being accused of chemical attacks, yet we know the good and the great "free, decent, democratic countries" have been using them since WW1 - our own dear WINNIE was very fond of them in fact
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 12:37 PM

If the gas was not compressed I doubt there would be enough to wipe out a single canary.-get real!

Get real. It was not delivered in gas form. Nerve agents are usually a vapour or aerosol, and chlorine would be generated from chemicals within the munition.
You know all this. Your denials are all pretence.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 12:27 PM

And the one who described her experiences at some length - scripted maybe?
Don't think so
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 12:07 PM

Jim - frankly, those 'news' images looked just as much as like bewildered frightened little kids
being bullied and distressed by rough abusive men with hosepipes and inhalers...???

Whichever, those kids need protecting by some agency from outside of all this confusing chaos...

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 11:54 AM

Is anyone seriously suggesting that the scenes of children being medically treated for the effects of chemicals were faked !!
Surely Donald Duck's "fake news" hasn't reached that stage - YET
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 11:50 AM

If the gas was not compressed I doubt there would be enough to wipe out a single canary.-get real!

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 11:49 AM

"Try studying the issues and thinking for yourself for a change"

did that, still do it, got several certificates in a drawer somewhere to prove it...


Here's one I just thought for myself, took about a minute, if that..

Some folks are not only brown nosers for high establishment and authority,
but are so full of and pleased with themselves
they'd lick their own arses if they were flexible enough...

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 11:35 AM

"It's a display of weakness when posters resort to hurling cheap political labels around"

oh no it isn't...!!!


"Adhering to any political dogma be it of the so-called right wing or left wing is a display of weak mindedness much like adhering to religious dogma. Try studying the issues and thinking for yourself for a change - if nothing else it makes for good mental exercise."

bob - what you just wrote is patronising piffle...

... but at least you are trying to be a bit more creative in your writing...

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 11:31 AM

Poison gas was used in compressed form back in WW1, but no-one suggests compressed gas was used here.

The barrel bomb drop was widely seen and reported. Douma is on the outskirts of Damascus.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 11:29 AM

I will repeat yet again I am moderately left of centre for the most part,
with more leftward leanings on Education, Work, Welfare, Nationalisation..

.. and very right wing tendencies on aspects of law and order...

I'm just an ordinary bloke trying to understand and cope with life in modern Britain

Malicious accusations of being extreme far left are complete and utter bollocks...!!!!!

..and make the persistent lone accuser appear to be an inconsequential fool

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: bobad
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 11:26 AM

got it rightwing dimwits...

It's a display of weakness when posters resort to hurling cheap political labels around. Adhering to any political dogma be it of the so-called right wing or left wing is a display of weak mindedness much like adhering to religious dogma. Try studying the issues and thinking for yourself for a change - if nothing else it makes for good mental exercise.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 11:23 AM

I hate to be a stickler for detail but where is the evidence for helicopters and barrel bombs? I cannot recall the MSM mentioning such things and logically you would expect them to be all over it.Also compressing a gas into a 50gallon drum is not anything that would pass the most cursory health and safety inspection.
Figures I have seen quote 40psi to burst a conventional steel 55 gallon drum. A standard propane cylinder is rated for closer to 1000psi.

Someone is telling porkies again!

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 11:16 AM

I may be a little dim, but I am not Right-wing. From your far-Left perspective the centre aground just appears Right-wing.

I do not jump to conclusions and would not ask you to, but all those people and governments have come to a conclusion based on evidence which you here choose to deride for what can only be political reasons.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 11:05 AM

Not knowing the full facts, and stating this quite openly and honestly as an explanation for discomfort at jumping to conclusions;
is not.. repeat NOT..
a reason to be deviously extrapolated as meaning support for an evil regime...


got it rightwing dimwits...!!!???

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 10:56 AM

Steve,
The mere suspicion that this is being done, if it's being done, by Islamists or Ruskies doesn't cut it with us, and it shouldn't with you either.

I agree, but the evidence is damning.
Apart from the video which could be staged, we have blood and urine from victims which can not.

The gassing was instigated by a helicopter barrel bomb attack, which rules out any of the rebels.

You know all this, but you can not bring yourself to accuse a fellow opponent of Western democracy.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: bobad
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 10:47 AM

Your attempts to link Corbyn with Trotskyism

No such attempt is being made. It seems you are unable to to understand the application of a historic quote to present day events. It's a literary device - do look up how that works.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 10:44 AM

The Khan Shaykhun chemical attack happened on April 4, 2017, an area of the Idlib Governorate that was under the control of Tahrir al-Sham, better known as the Al-Nusra Front terrorist group. The sarin gas release, which reportedly claimed the lives of between 74-100 civilians, happened after a Syrian Air Force anti-terrorist operation in the town. Damascus said it targeted the terrorists using only conventional weapons.

The investigators never visited the site of the incident, citing security concerns. And because the “integrity of the scene was devalued” after the “crater from which the sarin emanated was disturbed after the incident and subsequently filled with concrete” by the militants controlling the area.

Nevertheless, in its report, JIM( OPCW-UN Joint Investigative Mechanism) said “the Leadership Panel is confident that the Syrian Arab Republic is responsible for the release of sarin at Khan Shaykhun on 4 April, 2017.”

You pays yer money and makes yer choice. Easy innit. Truth! wotsat?

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 10:38 AM

The main function in this era, of a word like 'Trotsky' is to trigger fuddled reactionaries
into immediately automatically yelping and baying for a taste of modern left wing blood...

The history and meaning is irrelevant..
it's now merely a sound signal to command to attention behaviourly conditioned right wing attack dogs..

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 10:19 AM

More time now
Bobad
If you or the right wing bumwipe you quote from knew the slightest thing about left politics you would be aware that what distinguished Trotsky and Trotskyism from most left parties (apart from the Anarchists) is the total rejection of Parliamentary Politics
Your attempts to link Corbyn with Trotskyism is as crass as anything else you have ever written
Buy a book!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: bobad
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 09:54 AM

Woody Guthrie would be appalled by your attitude.

Lol.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 09:47 AM

Woody Guthrie would be appalled by your attitude.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 09:46 AM

But you see, bobad, Jeremy isn't "watching men drunk with blood massacring defenceless people..." etc. Like the rest of us he's being drip-fed the information that our leaderships are choosing to let us have, not "watching" at all. Like the rest of us, once he knows who these "men drunk with blood" are and precisely what they've done, he'd be just as happy as you to see a stern reaction. Me too. Unlike you, though, we don't go in for lynch mob methods. We want to see the evidence. The mere suspicion that this is being done, if it's being done, by Islamists or Ruskies doesn't cut it with us, and it shouldn't with you either.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: bobad
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 09:37 AM

Oh, and the right wing press.

“Left wing, right wing, chicken wing — it’s the same thing to me,”

-Woody Guthrie

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 09:25 AM

Sez you.

Oh, and the right wing press.