BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3

Subject: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 05:04 PM

So we have two testosterone-ridden, hubris-laden brain-dead idiots puffing out their chests as they squabble megaphonically over a thug who kills his own people. He's already killed tens of thousands of them as we stood by twiddling our thumbs but there's something about "chemical" that alerts us. Nothing to do with bigging up the attack on Russia over that "chemical" that floored the Salisbury Two, of course. The world has got to stop this insanity. We are in a situation that could get dangerously out of control and we should all turn out to protest against this threat of useless escalation. The only good thing about Trump's smart missiles is that each of them has a higher IQ than him. Theresa May thinks she'll find strength as a poodle. God help us. What I want to know is, once we're all nuked, where will the UK then get its gas from?

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: keberoxu
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 05:06 PM

Oh, NO,
you had to call it gas rather than petrol.

I can hear the smart-aleck ripostes already.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 06:35 PM

Your levity is misplaced.

The gas I'm talking about is the gas that powers homes and industry, not the stuff you fill your tank with. Perhaps you already know that but would prefer not to take the threat to world peace seriously...?

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: bobad
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 06:40 PM

The threat to world peace comes from people like Putin, Assad, Erdogan and the Ayatollahs of Iran. Perhaps you can spare a speck of opprobrium for them.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 06:49 PM

The threat to WORLD peace comes from people who threaten to fire missiles across continents and who threaten to shoot them down and bomb battleships in retaliation.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: robomatic
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 06:53 PM

Sounds like we need a new Tom Lehrer song for this new era.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 07:56 PM

It actually is a new era though, isn't it? We've got one man who's still fuming after more than 25 years that his country lost the Cold War sparring with a complete wanker who can't even chew gum and chew gum at the same time. That's all we bloody need.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: bobad
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 08:35 PM

The US isn't threatening the Russians, they intend to send a message to Assad that he can't gas his citizens with impunity, that if he does he will pay a price for it. It is the Russians who are threatening the US.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 08:40 PM

Ah, the people who ALWAYS have to view the world through a haze of prejudice, ideology and hate...

Any chance of a relatively sane discussion here, chaps? Today's tweets and responses thereto tell us all we need to know about who's threatening who... it really isn't hard!

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: bobad
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 08:57 PM

Today's tweets and responses thereto tell us all we need to know about who's threatening who... it really isn't hard!

Today's tweets were in response to the threats from the Russians......do try to keep up and try not to view the world through a haze of prejudice, ideology and hate...

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 09:32 PM

No they weren't!

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: bobad
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 10:10 PM

Yep, they surely were made in response to Russia's threat to shoot down any missiles launched at Syria and to even target their launch sites.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 12:29 AM

You do know how to skew the news and kill a thread, Bobad.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 01:14 AM

This'll teach the daft Russian buggers to get nutters like Trump elected.

Notice to any Americans who might be listening.

For godsake, get those impeachment moves speeded up.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Mr Red
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 03:21 AM

remember the peace dividend?

under that relaxed aura comes the old adage:

The meek shall inherit the Earth with the reply "the meek don't want it".

Assad deals within his borders. Russia and Iran and Saudi Arabia are dealing outside their borders. None are in meek camp, which begs the question about the soft sell.

It's a jungle out there, and may soon be a desert - or to some a dessert!

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 03:24 AM

they surely were made in response to Russia's threat to shoot down any missiles launched at Syria

Errrr, surely, someone made the threat to launch missiles in the first place. Had that threat not been made there would have been no threat to shoot them down.

Always remember though that whoever started it is not as important as who ended it. The bigger man is the one who will make peace.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Iains
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 03:39 AM

I tend to agree with the interpretation in the link below.
My only question is, does Trump call the shots these days, or Deep State?

http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/state-of-failure/

I also think our little poodle needs to be put on a parliamentary leash!

What is that useless fellow Corbyn doing?

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 04:01 AM

Calling for any decision on yet another war to be put before parliament. Sounds pretty sensible to me.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 04:09 AM

One brain dead, and one brain dead
Talking by the fire,
First brain dead told second brain dead
"I'm gonna purge your land with fire!"

talk about hey now . . .

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Iains
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 04:13 AM

You are quite right Dave. However the man generates as much passion and fire as a very dead fish. I would suggest he needs to up his game a teensy weensy, and at least give the appearance of being motivated.!

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 04:15 AM

Steve,
He's already killed tens of thousands of them as we stood by twiddling our thumbs

Should we have intervened more in that civil war?
Evil as Assad is the opposition appart from the Kurds are at least as bad.

This is about the use of illegal chemical weapons, and using them on civilians.
Obama rightly made it a red line. Had the US and Britain stood by him we would probably not be in this situation now. Our Parliament got it wrong then.

If they suffer no consequences of their crimes they will commit more and worse ones in the days to come.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 04:23 AM

Appearances can be very deceptive, Iains :-) I am happy to let the right keep thinking he is useless. It cost them their majority at the last election. Keep up the good work!

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Iains
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 04:31 AM

You may disagree Dave but I think an attempt to bring sanity to the present situation is far more important than the potential change sides outcome of any election.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 04:39 AM

No, I agree Iains, and I think Corbyn is bringing some of that sanity to the situation. We may disagree on politics but, in this situation, I think we agree on outcomes.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 05:04 AM

For those in need of a bot of light relief

Humanity a bit concerned that its leaders are completely insane

We need it at the moment!

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 05:17 AM

So we have two testosterone-ridden, hubris-laden brain-dead idiots puffing out their chests as they squabble megaphonically

This is a false equivalence.
Putin has done all the bad things. Trump is just having to react to them.
Whatever you think of Trump, he is just doing what Obama wanted to do when it happened on his watch.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Iains
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 05:33 AM

He that controls the narrative will often be able to dictate outcomes!

just sayin like.

http://educateinspirechange.org/alternative-news/dont-believe-conspiracies-58-admitted-false-flag-attacks/

and here are a couple of links to enable you to make up your own mind.
WARNING: May contain both fact and fantasy, but no peanuts!

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2016/12/19/the-cl2-before-the-storm/

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2016/11/30/russias-chemical-weapon-attack-investigation-syria/

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 05:39 AM

Theresa May is very likely to make a catastrophic decision, bypassing parliament in order to embroil this country in an unwinnable conflict, which, technically, she is permitted to do. She knows that she will lose any vote of MPs to involve the UK except on extremely restricted and limited grounds. Cameron couldn't do it and Blair did it by lying to parliament. Assad and the Russians are in the ascendancy and the rebels are mostly unsavoury to say the least. Unqualified involvement will have us there for years and it will provoke even more terrorism. Corbyn has done exactly what any responsible opposition leader should be doing, calling for a debate and vote in parliament before any decision is made to get militarily involved. The excuse that it would mean betraying crucial intelligence to MPs is typical bullshit of the sort we've been putting up with in the case of the Salisbury poisoning. The people of this country don't like being lied to and a YouGov poll showed that there is very little appetite in this country for a lethal scrap with Russia.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Iains
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 06:07 AM

Great stuff steve! I agree with every word.

An interesting slant on how we arrived where we are:

http://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-russians-are-flabbergasted/

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 06:10 AM

Bloody hell Iains, that article will raise some hackles.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Iains
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 06:24 AM

Well Raggy this ain't a war about chemical poisoning. Never was, never will be. It is simply a pretext just like germany false flagging in Poland to start WW2 and Russia false flagging Finland to start the Russo finnish was a couple of years later.
This is really a war of geopolitics and maintaining the supremacy of the dollar. Gaddafi wanted a gold backed currency - he went.
China wants oil trade in her own currency.
Iran wants oil trade in euros.
Russia wants to deal in anything but dollars.
Oil underpins the dollar and American hegemony.

Look at the world with this view and all becomes blindingly apparent.
A truth the MSM dare not mention.

Have a nice day!

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 06:31 AM

Sorry Iains you missed my point (or I didn't make it obvious)

I was referring to the wording of the last line of the first paragraph and the opening line of the third paragraph.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Iains
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 06:36 AM

Oh I missed one. Dear old Saddam had the misfortune to be sitting on yankee oil. George Bush told me so!

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Iains
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 06:43 AM

In this PC world Banker might be a more correct term.
For the other perhaps Israeli Government may be far more accurate.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 06:44 AM

Slightly hyperbolic, Iains, but generally I agree with that. But we're rubbing up against a man with a mission in Putin. He resented the fall of the USSR and wants his country back in superpowerdom. He sees himself as the indomitable and invulnerable saviour of Russia. That makes him slightly mad. And bad and dangerous. What we need like a hole in the head is a vacuous twittering twat in the White House eyeballing him. That's where we are at the moment and that's why we're in big trouble. He's as strong as ever and we're choosing now of all times to have a go at him. I thoroughly agree that getting all indignant about a so-far unverified chemical attack (after seven years of brutal slaughter that has already outdone Iraq) and a so-far unverified poisoning in Salisbury has nothing to do with this. That's just the ruse. The word "chemical" has been spun into a massive bundle of emotion. I mean, where have all the ruses been for the last seven years?

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 06:45 AM

I was talking about your 06.24 post.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 06:45 AM

Why does this keep happening. When I was a young man I was sure that our generation would stop war. There was a massive movement towards that and I have certainly not changed. I think a lot of us on here are of that age and, which some notable exceptions, we all seem to be against war. So how do these people keep getting in power? Maybe you need to be a narcissistic psychopath to be a world leader. I think that tongue in cheek article I posted had the right of it

“I think when we’re choosing leaders we should put ‘not insane’ as one of the top criteria

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 06:46 AM

And "he's as strong as ever" meant Putin, not Trump. I'm still suffering from M6 roadworks fatigue.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 06:54 AM

Well Raggy this ain't a war about chemical poisoning.

We are not about to join in the Syrian civil war.
We are about to punish the use of illegal weapons against civilians to deter its repition.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 07:34 AM

Trump about to engage in an action which is likely to result in retaliation against him, and Trump is to stupid to accept this without further escalation on the basis that deaths of Americans would have to be treated as acceptable collatoral damage for the sake of the safety of the rest of the world.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 07:38 AM

When is a civil war in tbe Middle East not a proxy war....?

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 07:45 AM

Trump about to engage in an action which is likely to result in retaliation against him,

In retaliation for the gassing of civilians including children, to prevent it becoming normal practice in conflict.
Enforcing an international law we have signed up to.

Doing nothing would also have consequences, probably for more children.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 07:50 AM

Maybe it's time for Marion Zimmer Bradley's compact which bans 'ranged weapons'. The only weapons to be used (in some of her 'Darkover' novels) were those that don't leave the hand of the fighter.

Okay. We would probably have lost at Agincourt, and the colonists would have had a harder time conquering America, but it's an interesting scenario.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: bobad
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 07:54 AM

Just the threat of sending missiles has the Syrians scurrying away from their bases and hiding their war machines. They are definitely on edge. Trump should keep them that way, he doesn't even have to give the order. Just keeping them on edge is more effective and keeps them away from slaughtering their people.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 07:57 AM

Just keeping them on edge is more effective and keeps them away from slaughtering their people.

Let's hope so. I am inclined to think that twitler cannot be so restrained. Fingers crossed that those who can do so are keeping him in check.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 08:05 AM

So if this ends in full-out escalation i the death of millions of children a price worth paying to prevent the death of hundreds of children.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 08:44 AM

SPB, no.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 08:50 AM

That would be a catastrophe, but should we let Putin commit any atrocity he likes with impunity in case it escalates.
How many dead people does it take before we dare call him on it?
How many breaches if international law?

Remember, he does not want escalation either.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 09:07 AM

Aren't those UN vetos so handy when they give one's side, e.g. Israel, what it wants! Who needs international law!

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: beardedbruce
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 09:34 AM

You mean the Russian's blocking any investigation of the chemical attack, Mr. Shaw?


On the other hand:

So long, mom,
I'm off to drop the bomb,
So don't wait up for me.
But while you swelter
Down there in your shelter,
You can see me
On your tv.
While we're attacking frontally,
Watch brinkally and huntally,
Describing contrapuntally
The cities we have lost.
No need for you to miss a minute
Of the agonizing holocaust. (yeah!)

Little Johnny Jones he was a U.S. Pilot,
And no shrinking vi'let was he.
He was mighty proud when world war three was declared,
He wasn't scared,
No siree!

And this is what he said on
His way to armageddon:

So long, mom,
I'm off to drop the bomb,
So don't wait up for me.
But though I may roam,
I'll come back to my home,
Although it may be
A pile of debris.
Remember, mommy,
I'm off to get a commie,
So send me a salami,
And try to smile somehow.
I'll look for you when the war is over,
An hour and a half from now!

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: bobad
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 09:50 AM

Errrr, surely, someone made the threat to launch missiles in the first place. Had that threat not been made there would have been no threat to shoot them down.

Errrr, the threat was not made to the Russians who have no troops there anyway - remember they were withdrawn in December. The threat was made to Assad for using poison gas against his people.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: beardedbruce
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 10:29 AM

"The announcement came after an AFP journalist witnessed explosions and heard three blasts over the capital, which has come under repeated attack by Huthi rebels.

Malki said Saudi forces also intercepted two missiles in the southern Jizan and Najran provinces, close to the border with Yemen.

Saudi Arabia has since March 2015 led a coalition of Arab states fighting to roll back the Huthi rebels in Yemen and restore its neighbour's internationally-recognised government to power.

Nearly 10,000 people have since been killed in the conflict, in what the United Nations has called the world's worst humanitarian crisis.

Saudi Arabia accuses its rival Iran of smuggling missiles to the Huthis -- a charge Tehran denies."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/yemen-rebel-missiles-drones-shot-down-over-saudi-182449123.html

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: bobad
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 10:33 AM

Actually there was no threat made to launch missiles before the threat to shoot them down and to attack the launch site by the Russians. What was said after the gas attack was that there would be a "big price to pay".

Incidentally President Macron last month warned that France would strike unilaterally if Syria used chemical weapons again.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Iains
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 10:42 AM

I think we should insist all the politcians that have signed up for action be conscripted with extreme prejudice for "the boots on the ground phase."

It is a sad sad day when they so obviously believe their own propaganda!

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 10:50 AM

Any governments who do not believe the "propaganda?"
Any decent democracies among them?

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 10:51 AM

Jimmy is picking on Johnny in the playground. Johnny's big brother steps in and says 'Oy, Jimmy, pack it in or I will kick your arse.'

Jimmy's big brother hears about this and says 'Oy, Johnny's brother, if you try to kick my little brother's arse, I will break your leg.'

There has been no threat against Johnny's brother but it seems acceptable for him to intervene on his little brother's behalf.

Perfectly describes the situation. In more ways that one.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 10:54 AM

It does not remotely describe the situation Dave.
Why not just describe the situation instead of inventing a fatuous and false analogy of it?

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Iains
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 10:56 AM

A Damascus conversion??????????????


Donald J. Trump
?
@realDonaldTrump

Never said when an attack on Syria would take place. Could be very soon or not so soon at all! In any event, the United States, under my Administration, has done a great job of ridding the region of ISIS. Where is our “Thank you America?”

Maybe he realised perhaps vlad the lad has no humour and does not bluff.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: bobad
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 11:13 AM

French President Emmanuel Macron said France has proof the Syrian government was behind the suspected chemical attack last week in Douma, but added that he would decide whether to intervene once all the necessary information had been gathered.

"We have proof that last week... chemical weapons were used, at least chlorine, and that they were used by the regime of Bashar al-Assad," Macron said during a television interview.

Macron said French and U.S. officials were "working together very closely, and we will have decisions to take, at the time we choose, when we consider it most useful and most effective."

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/syria/macron-we-have-proof-that-chemical-weapons-were-used-by-assad-1.5993540

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 01:13 PM

Confirmation,
BBC, "Syria 'chemical attack': France's President Macron 'has proof'"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-43740626

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Iains
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 01:22 PM

"We have proof that last week... chemical weapons were used, at least chlorine,"
Well was it, was it not, what else was it? Macron obviously requires less proof than an A Level chemistry student!

Baa Baa blacksheep have you any bullshit........................?????

Do me a favour! purleeeeeese!

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: bobad
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 01:57 PM

"The Union of Medical Care and Relief Organizations (UOSSM) also concluded that the symptoms of the casualties were consistent with exposure to a nerve agent, possibly one mixed with chlorine. Dr Raphal Pitti of UOSSM France said he thought "chlorine was used to conceal the use of [the nerve agent] Sarin".

The United States, which supports the opposition to Mr Assad, said the victims' symptoms appeared to be "consistent with an asphyxiation agent and of a nerve agent of some type"

"At 19:45, more than 500 patients - most of them women and children - were brought to medical facilities with symptoms indicative of exposure to a chemical agent, according to the Syria Civil Defence and the Syrian American Medical Society (SAMS), a relief organisation that supports hospitals.

The patients showed signs of "respiratory distress, central cyanosis (blue skin or lips), excessive oral foaming, corneal burns, and the emission of chlorine-like odour", a joint statement issued on Sunday said. One woman who died had convulsions and pinpoint pupils"

BBC

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 02:00 PM

Let me explain.
He says they have proof that chlorine was used.
At least chlorine, and other substances are not excluded.
Chlorine gas is an illegal chemical weapon. Illegal to use in battle, never mind on civilians.
Illegal even to stockpile.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Iains
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 02:14 PM

Illegal even to stockpile????    RUBBISH!!!!.

Chlorine is used to purify water and also has a multitude of industrial uses. Including making bulk materials like bleached paper products, plastics such as PVC and the solvents tetrachloromethane, chloroform and dichloromethane. It is also used to make dyes, textiles, medicines, antiseptics, insecticides and paints.

You bomb a stockpile of it and lo and behold clouds of chlorine are released.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: bobad
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 02:21 PM

Chlorine is used to mask the use of nerve agents. The casualties had symptoms of exposure to both chlorine and nerve agent.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 02:52 PM

You forgot to mention how it's used to flavour Yankee chickens, Iains. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Iains
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 03:06 PM

Steve that is biological warfare. Keep to the script!

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 08:20 PM

Is that your idea of levity steve?

bobad you got that right

Iains you are invited to dinner. You are finally getting some facts straight


The leadership insanity people speak of, is a toxic ego disorder.
I wrote several pages about this tragic insidious disorder.
Steve claimed not to have understood a word.
figures

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 08:42 PM

Iains you are invited to dinner.

Steve, was that dreaded levity funny? I wrote you pages about toxic ego disorder. You claimed to have not understood a word. It is the underpinnings of this very subject.

bobad you got that right


I see Britain peeking over a fence at a hole.
It is America that is staring into an abyss.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 08:50 PM

Let me put this to bed once and for all. I'm an erudite and articulate enough chap to know that if I can't understand what you type, Donuel, you yourself understand what you've typed even less. I should like to suggest that you ditch the attempt at over-cleverness that, rather unsuccessfully, tries to mask your shallowness, and resort instead to plain and straightfoward English. I suppose it would expose you for a man with little depth, but at least we'd come to respect you a little more and not have to avoid about three-quarters of your impenetrable posts like the plague. Good manners dictate that we all express ourselves in ways that don't force our readers into irritated and unnecessary mental processing. That's a lesson you have yet to learn.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 10:21 PM

Different disciplines have different language. No one speaks them all.

You did not understand 7 of the foremost psychoanalysts in the world.
Not that there is anything wrong with that.
I think you assumed they were my version of what you call - "Not straight English". I believe multiple PhD's are proof you are an erudite.

On other occasions I find it takes some courage to be creative and speak with poetic license. The obvious is shallow except when the many are ignorant of the obvious.
Perhaps like John Cleese you have old wounds from a stiff English boarding school education. Just because you sound like a class conscious snob doesn't mean that's all you are, you Beethoven lover.

Everyone may not cohere to your definitions. Reality is broader than one opinion.

I will continue to respect what I can and disregard the rest.

a clue:
when there is so much to say there are abbreviated thoughts I only allude to. For some it is called reading between the lines and cultural metaphors as well as a common language separated by centuries.
Now go to bed you cranky naughty boy.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: bobad
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 10:51 PM

An interesting article on the workings of the Russian propaganda troll network in Syria: Russian Trolls Denied Syrian Gas Attack—Before It Happened

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 11:54 PM

"Not straight English". I believe multiple PhD's are proof you are an erudite.

To take Donuel to task, perhaps it’s an ask
But to consider his own education??
He has three phds or more I believe
A master of obfuscation

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Mr Red
Date: 13 Apr 18 - 02:37 AM

At the end of the day ask yourself, of the two:

"Who has the best military experience?" &

"Who has the long record of welching on deals?"

And which of the them believe in scorched earth policies?

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Apr 18 - 04:09 AM

Ians,
Illegal even to stockpile????    RUBBISH!!!!.

True actually. Weapons that use chlorine are illegal to stockpile.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Iains
Date: 13 Apr 18 - 04:11 AM

I find the President's behaviour over recent weeks is inconsistant.
Just looking at his tweets shows a kind of Jekyll and Hyde behaviour.
One minute pugnacious, the next conciliatory!

This is most bizarre. Is it coded language to show the fight between deep state and the presidency? Between hawks and doves? Has anyone else noticed this?

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Apr 18 - 04:13 AM

Even Dianne Abbott says Russia is the greatest threat to world peace.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Apr 18 - 04:18 AM

Mother Teresa said it was abortion and they sainted her so she must have been right.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Iains
Date: 13 Apr 18 - 05:33 AM

"James Mattis, the US defense secretary, has said Washington is still looking for evidence on who carried out Saturday’s chemical weapons attack in Damascus and that his main concern about a military response was how to stop it “escalating out of control”.


Someone somewhere is finally letting the synapses operate.
Newton's third law has consequences.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Apr 18 - 09:21 AM

An expert historian will have more examples of how history may repeat itself. The only factor that is unique is the manufacture, possession and use of nuclear weapons. The manufacturing and testing of the weapons have created many tragedies as well as the use.

We have been relatively lucky the use has not been a more dire world changing event.

Obviously-
The traditional means of choosing possible 'brain dead' leaders is too dangerous to continue. Luck is just not dependable.
Can we continue down this path?
We have asked this question for some time now.

What are some new alternatives to entrusting such acute extinction level possibilities to 'brain dead individuals?
We tried banning the bomb to no avail. We've tried living with the proliferation of nuclear weapons. What else?

I believe History is ill equipped to tackle this question. Or am I wrong? Some claim ancient India may have wrestled with this scenario.
I don't know but history may have no answers for us.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Apr 18 - 11:07 AM

According to the plot of the Terminator franchise AI won't solve a thing.

In fact many are clamoring for WW3. We seem to forget there is such a thing as right or wrong, fact or nonsense. a href="https://fair.org/home/major-papers-urge-trump-to-kill-syrians-risk-world-war-iii/">https://fair.org/home/major-papers-urge-trump-to-kill-syrians-risk-world-war-iii/


I bet there are some even here who may secretly wish to give WW3.1 a go.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 05:12 AM

The Ban the Bomb imperative was lessened on account of the initiatives of Gorbachev.

The biggest problem is that even if every nuke in the world is decommissioned, we can never undo the knowledge of how to build them.

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 06:36 AM

Catching up
"Should we have intervened more in that civil war?"
A Civil War would never have taken place had the West (or preferably the UN) intervened place when Assad started massacring his own people - Homs being a prime case for intervention
Instead, we (Britain) supplied riot control equipment to suppress the Arab Spring protests (from which the Civil War emerged) and probably licensed the sale of sniper bullets that trained the snipers that were taking bets on who could kill a woman and a child with one bullet on the streets of Homs
When the gas was first used on Civilians it was revealed that it was possibly British Chemicals that helped Assad create a stockpile of those weapons
Our Government ignored the pleas of deserting Syrian politicians and military figures who requested that Britain should use her influence to stop Assad's gallop or, failing that, should seize his millions in British banks and the property he owned in London
Throughout the Homs massacre, Assad's gofer brother-in-law went in and out of London doing his master's bidding as if he was shopping at Harrods - that money and property remains untouched
When all this is over and the bodies are being counted, it needs to be remembered that British and other "decent, democratic" countries share the responsibility for their demise
That goes for the victims of Isis, a group of isolated who would have remained that way until Syria enabled them to get their to in the international door
Talk about bolting horses and unlocked stable doors
This should have been a clear enough warning of THINGS to COME
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 07:13 AM

I would have made the same mistake as Obama in his position
Damned if you adjoin a foreign civil war and damned if you don't.
This LARGEST European refugee problem since WWII has hardened the hearts of the xenophobic extreme right.

20-20 Hindsight and all, now we know.