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BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3

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Subject: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 05:04 PM

So we have two testosterone-ridden, hubris-laden brain-dead idiots puffing out their chests as they squabble megaphonically over a thug who kills his own people. He's already killed tens of thousands of them as we stood by twiddling our thumbs but there's something about "chemical" that alerts us. Nothing to do with bigging up the attack on Russia over that "chemical" that floored the Salisbury Two, of course. The world has got to stop this insanity. We are in a situation that could get dangerously out of control and we should all turn out to protest against this threat of useless escalation. The only good thing about Trump's smart missiles is that each of them has a higher IQ than him. Theresa May thinks she'll find strength as a poodle. God help us. What I want to know is, once we're all nuked, where will the UK then get its gas from?


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: keberoxu
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 05:06 PM

Oh, NO,
you had to call it gas rather than petrol.

I can hear the smart-aleck ripostes already.


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 06:35 PM

Your levity is misplaced.

The gas I'm talking about is the gas that powers homes and industry, not the stuff you fill your tank with. Perhaps you already know that but would prefer not to take the threat to world peace seriously...?


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: bobad
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 06:40 PM

The threat to world peace comes from people like Putin, Assad, Erdogan and the Ayatollahs of Iran. Perhaps you can spare a speck of opprobrium for them.


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 06:49 PM

The threat to WORLD peace comes from people who threaten to fire missiles across continents and who threaten to shoot them down and bomb battleships in retaliation.


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: robomatic
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 06:53 PM

Sounds like we need a new Tom Lehrer song for this new era.


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 07:56 PM

It actually is a new era though, isn't it? We've got one man who's still fuming after more than 25 years that his country lost the Cold War sparring with a complete wanker who can't even chew gum and chew gum at the same time. That's all we bloody need.


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: bobad
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 08:35 PM

The US isn't threatening the Russians, they intend to send a message to Assad that he can't gas his citizens with impunity, that if he does he will pay a price for it. It is the Russians who are threatening the US.


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 08:40 PM

Ah, the people who ALWAYS have to view the world through a haze of prejudice, ideology and hate...

Any chance of a relatively sane discussion here, chaps? Today's tweets and responses thereto tell us all we need to know about who's threatening who... it really isn't hard!


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: bobad
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 08:57 PM

Today's tweets and responses thereto tell us all we need to know about who's threatening who... it really isn't hard!

Today's tweets were in response to the threats from the Russians......do try to keep up and try not to view the world through a haze of prejudice, ideology and hate...


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 09:32 PM

No they weren't!


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: bobad
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 10:10 PM

Yep, they surely were made in response to Russia's threat to shoot down any missiles launched at Syria and to even target their launch sites.


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 12:29 AM

You do know how to skew the news and kill a thread, Bobad.


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 01:14 AM

This'll teach the daft Russian buggers to get nutters like Trump elected.

Notice to any Americans who might be listening.

For godsake, get those impeachment moves speeded up.


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Mr Red
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 03:21 AM

remember the peace dividend?

under that relaxed aura comes the old adage:

The meek shall inherit the Earth with the reply "the meek don't want it".

Assad deals within his borders. Russia and Iran and Saudi Arabia are dealing outside their borders. None are in meek camp, which begs the question about the soft sell.

It's a jungle out there, and may soon be a desert - or to some a dessert!


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 03:24 AM

they surely were made in response to Russia's threat to shoot down any missiles launched at Syria

Errrr, surely, someone made the threat to launch missiles in the first place. Had that threat not been made there would have been no threat to shoot them down.

Always remember though that whoever started it is not as important as who ended it. The bigger man is the one who will make peace.


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Iains
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 03:39 AM

I tend to agree with the interpretation in the link below.
My only question is, does Trump call the shots these days, or Deep State?

http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/state-of-failure/

I also think our little poodle needs to be put on a parliamentary leash!

What is that useless fellow Corbyn doing?


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 04:01 AM

Calling for any decision on yet another war to be put before parliament. Sounds pretty sensible to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 04:09 AM

One brain dead, and one brain dead
Talking by the fire,
First brain dead told second brain dead
"I'm gonna purge your land with fire!"

talk about hey now . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Iains
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 04:13 AM

You are quite right Dave. However the man generates as much passion and fire as a very dead fish. I would suggest he needs to up his game a teensy weensy, and at least give the appearance of being motivated.!


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 04:15 AM

Steve,
He's already killed tens of thousands of them as we stood by twiddling our thumbs

Should we have intervened more in that civil war?
Evil as Assad is the opposition appart from the Kurds are at least as bad.

This is about the use of illegal chemical weapons, and using them on civilians.
Obama rightly made it a red line. Had the US and Britain stood by him we would probably not be in this situation now. Our Parliament got it wrong then.

If they suffer no consequences of their crimes they will commit more and worse ones in the days to come.


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 04:23 AM

Appearances can be very deceptive, Iains :-) I am happy to let the right keep thinking he is useless. It cost them their majority at the last election. Keep up the good work!


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Iains
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 04:31 AM

You may disagree Dave but I think an attempt to bring sanity to the present situation is far more important than the potential change sides outcome of any election.


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 04:39 AM

No, I agree Iains, and I think Corbyn is bringing some of that sanity to the situation. We may disagree on politics but, in this situation, I think we agree on outcomes.


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 05:04 AM

For those in need of a bot of light relief

Humanity a bit concerned that its leaders are completely insane

We need it at the moment!


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 05:17 AM

So we have two testosterone-ridden, hubris-laden brain-dead idiots puffing out their chests as they squabble megaphonically

This is a false equivalence.
Putin has done all the bad things. Trump is just having to react to them.
Whatever you think of Trump, he is just doing what Obama wanted to do when it happened on his watch.


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Iains
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 05:33 AM

He that controls the narrative will often be able to dictate outcomes!

just sayin like.

http://educateinspirechange.org/alternative-news/dont-believe-conspiracies-58-admitted-false-flag-attacks/

and here are a couple of links to enable you to make up your own mind.
WARNING: May contain both fact and fantasy, but no peanuts!

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2016/12/19/the-cl2-before-the-storm/

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2016/11/30/russias-chemical-weapon-attack-investigation-syria/


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 05:39 AM

Theresa May is very likely to make a catastrophic decision, bypassing parliament in order to embroil this country in an unwinnable conflict, which, technically, she is permitted to do. She knows that she will lose any vote of MPs to involve the UK except on extremely restricted and limited grounds. Cameron couldn't do it and Blair did it by lying to parliament. Assad and the Russians are in the ascendancy and the rebels are mostly unsavoury to say the least. Unqualified involvement will have us there for years and it will provoke even more terrorism. Corbyn has done exactly what any responsible opposition leader should be doing, calling for a debate and vote in parliament before any decision is made to get militarily involved. The excuse that it would mean betraying crucial intelligence to MPs is typical bullshit of the sort we've been putting up with in the case of the Salisbury poisoning. The people of this country don't like being lied to and a YouGov poll showed that there is very little appetite in this country for a lethal scrap with Russia.


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Iains
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 06:07 AM

Great stuff steve! I agree with every word.

An interesting slant on how we arrived where we are:

http://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-russians-are-flabbergasted/


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 06:10 AM

Bloody hell Iains, that article will raise some hackles.


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Iains
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 06:24 AM

Well Raggy this ain't a war about chemical poisoning. Never was, never will be. It is simply a pretext just like germany false flagging in Poland to start WW2 and Russia false flagging Finland to start the Russo finnish was a couple of years later.
This is really a war of geopolitics and maintaining the supremacy of the dollar. Gaddafi wanted a gold backed currency - he went.
China wants oil trade in her own currency.
Iran wants oil trade in euros.
Russia wants to deal in anything but dollars.
Oil underpins the dollar and American hegemony.

Look at the world with this view and all becomes blindingly apparent.
A truth the MSM dare not mention.

Have a nice day!


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 06:31 AM

Sorry Iains you missed my point (or I didn't make it obvious)

I was referring to the wording of the last line of the first paragraph and the opening line of the third paragraph.


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Iains
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 06:36 AM

Oh I missed one. Dear old Saddam had the misfortune to be sitting on yankee oil. George Bush told me so!


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Iains
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 06:43 AM

In this PC world Banker might be a more correct term.
For the other perhaps Israeli Government may be far more accurate.


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 06:44 AM

Slightly hyperbolic, Iains, but generally I agree with that. But we're rubbing up against a man with a mission in Putin. He resented the fall of the USSR and wants his country back in superpowerdom. He sees himself as the indomitable and invulnerable saviour of Russia. That makes him slightly mad. And bad and dangerous. What we need like a hole in the head is a vacuous twittering twat in the White House eyeballing him. That's where we are at the moment and that's why we're in big trouble. He's as strong as ever and we're choosing now of all times to have a go at him. I thoroughly agree that getting all indignant about a so-far unverified chemical attack (after seven years of brutal slaughter that has already outdone Iraq) and a so-far unverified poisoning in Salisbury has nothing to do with this. That's just the ruse. The word "chemical" has been spun into a massive bundle of emotion. I mean, where have all the ruses been for the last seven years?


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 06:45 AM

I was talking about your 06.24 post.


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 06:45 AM

Why does this keep happening. When I was a young man I was sure that our generation would stop war. There was a massive movement towards that and I have certainly not changed. I think a lot of us on here are of that age and, which some notable exceptions, we all seem to be against war. So how do these people keep getting in power? Maybe you need to be a narcissistic psychopath to be a world leader. I think that tongue in cheek article I posted had the right of it

“I think when we’re choosing leaders we should put ‘not insane’ as one of the top criteria

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 06:46 AM

And "he's as strong as ever" meant Putin, not Trump. I'm still suffering from M6 roadworks fatigue.


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 06:54 AM

Well Raggy this ain't a war about chemical poisoning.

We are not about to join in the Syrian civil war.
We are about to punish the use of illegal weapons against civilians to deter its repition.


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 07:34 AM

Trump about to engage in an action which is likely to result in retaliation against him, and Trump is to stupid to accept this without further escalation on the basis that deaths of Americans would have to be treated as acceptable collatoral damage for the sake of the safety of the rest of the world.


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 07:38 AM

When is a civil war in tbe Middle East not a proxy war....?


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 07:45 AM

Trump about to engage in an action which is likely to result in retaliation against him,

In retaliation for the gassing of civilians including children, to prevent it becoming normal practice in conflict.
Enforcing an international law we have signed up to.

Doing nothing would also have consequences, probably for more children.


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 07:50 AM

Maybe it's time for Marion Zimmer Bradley's compact which bans 'ranged weapons'. The only weapons to be used (in some of her 'Darkover' novels) were those that don't leave the hand of the fighter.

Okay. We would probably have lost at Agincourt, and the colonists would have had a harder time conquering America, but it's an interesting scenario.


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: bobad
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 07:54 AM

Just the threat of sending missiles has the Syrians scurrying away from their bases and hiding their war machines. They are definitely on edge. Trump should keep them that way, he doesn't even have to give the order. Just keeping them on edge is more effective and keeps them away from slaughtering their people.


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 07:57 AM

Just keeping them on edge is more effective and keeps them away from slaughtering their people.

Let's hope so. I am inclined to think that twitler cannot be so restrained. Fingers crossed that those who can do so are keeping him in check.


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 08:05 AM

So if this ends in full-out escalation i the death of millions of children a price worth paying to prevent the death of hundreds of children.


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 08:44 AM

SPB, no.


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 08:50 AM

That would be a catastrophe, but should we let Putin commit any atrocity he likes with impunity in case it escalates.
How many dead people does it take before we dare call him on it?
How many breaches if international law?

Remember, he does not want escalation either.


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 09:07 AM

Aren't those UN vetos so handy when they give one's side, e.g. Israel, what it wants! Who needs international law!


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Subject: RE: BS: One brain-dead plus one-brain dead = WW3
From: beardedbruce
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 09:34 AM

You mean the Russian's blocking any investigation of the chemical attack, Mr. Shaw?


On the other hand:

So long, mom,
I'm off to drop the bomb,
So don't wait up for me.
But while you swelter
Down there in your shelter,
You can see me
On your tv.
While we're attacking frontally,
Watch brinkally and huntally,
Describing contrapuntally
The cities we have lost.
No need for you to miss a minute
Of the agonizing holocaust. (yeah!)

Little Johnny Jones he was a U.S. Pilot,
And no shrinking vi'let was he.
He was mighty proud when world war three was declared,
He wasn't scared,
No siree!

And this is what he said on
His way to armageddon:

So long, mom,
I'm off to drop the bomb,
So don't wait up for me.
But though I may roam,
I'll come back to my home,
Although it may be
A pile of debris.
Remember, mommy,
I'm off to get a commie,
So send me a salami,
And try to smile somehow.
I'll look for you when the war is over,
An hour and a half from now!


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