BS: Hit On Syria

Subject: BS: Hit On Syria
From: robomatic
Date: 13 Apr 18 - 09:14 PM

It's 1700 hours in Anchorage and 0400 in Syria. President Trump has just made a brief announcement that the U.S., U.K., and France are acting in an concerted effort against the Assad regime.

I checked the New York Times and didn't find an article on the subject yet. The NBC News feed to the U.S. West Coast reported that explosions have been heard in Assad government territory.

I regard this as a new Syria thread. Comments and information regarding these events and the predicament of the Syrian people, plus, well, I'm sure we'll collect the usual suspects but maybe some fresh approaches.

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Apr 18 - 09:38 PM

How to make friends and influence people 2. THe Revenge.

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Apr 18 - 09:40 PM

Humble bragging from the White House tonight.

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: meself
Date: 13 Apr 18 - 09:44 PM

Seems to be illegal without authorization of Congress ... ?

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Apr 18 - 09:50 PM

I am sorry that England is drawn into this. I was hoping only France would join this pathetic demonstration in which no Russians are to be harmed in the making of this photo op.

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Apr 18 - 09:56 PM

AW, S**T!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Apr 18 - 10:49 PM

Obama didn't cross that red line, because Congress didn't allow it. Trump always said Yes if Obama said No, so what we have here, apparently, is Trump trying to once again dismiss an Obama decision. Not that people didn't like that Congress didn't allow a military response, and Obama was blamed. Trump the Showman is playing at being president.

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: bobad
Date: 13 Apr 18 - 11:22 PM

Statement from Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau:

"Canada condemns in the strongest possible terms the use of chemical weapons in last week’s attack in eastern Ghouta, Syria.

Canada supports the decision by the United States, the United Kingdom, and France to take action to degrade the Assad regime’s ability to launch chemical weapons attacks against its own people.

We will continue to work with our international partners to further investigate the use of chemical weapons in Syria. Those responsible must be brought to justice."

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: bobad
Date: 13 Apr 18 - 11:37 PM

From the NY Times:

"A one-night operation, the strikes in Syria targeted a research facility, a command post and what was believed to be a stockpile of sarin gas."

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: peteglasgow
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 01:39 AM

is it stupid of me to ask what happens to 'a stockpile of sarin gas' if you drop missiles on it?

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: Kampervan
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 02:59 AM

Why is it that three nations think that they have to police the world?

Chemical weapons are wrong but it should be the UN who take action, based on a majority vote if Russia insist on vetoing everything.

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: Iains
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 03:41 AM

So far Putin showing statesmanship, not brinkmanship. If events escalate   that may well change.

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 04:21 AM

"Chemical weapons are wrong but it should be the UN who take action,"
It most certainly should be
The cynicism of all this is that Countries like the U.S. and Russia have regularly used their U.N. vetoes to prevent action.
Might help of course, if these countries stopped selling the wherewithal to produce these weapons, but that would nause up our economies, wouldn't it?
It's a sobering thought that if world peace were declared tomorrow, the US, France, Britain, Germany, India and Saudi Arabia would be plunged into economic cris1s
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 04:46 AM

Whoopee, we all gonna die!

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 04:46 AM

European Council President Donald Tusk said Saturday the European Union stood by the United States, France and Britain over their air strikes against the regime in Syria for alleged chemical attacks.

"Strikes by US, France and UK make it clear that Syrian regime together with Russia and Iran cannot continue this human tragedy, at least not without cost. The EU will stand with our allies on the side of justice," Tusk said in a Twitter message.

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: gillymor
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 05:09 AM

I'd feel a better about this if we didn't have a big orange man/baby calling the shots.

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 05:19 AM

'"Strikes by US, France and UK make it clear that Syrian regime together with Russia and Iran cannot continue this human tragedy, at least not without cost. The EU will stand with our allies on the side of justice," Tusk said in a Twitter message.'

easier than standing under where the bombs are falling!

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 05:27 AM

Absolutely essential that animal assad gets a good biffing.

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: DMcG
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 06:22 AM

Absolutely essential that animal assad gets a good biffing.

But he won't, in all likelihood. His people will, his country will, but it is most likely he won't be affected personally much at all. It could even strengthen his hold.

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 06:43 AM

But he won't, in all likelihood. His people will, his country will,

Military bases only were attacked, all three of which were involved in illegal poison gas use.

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 06:47 AM

Funny how certain lefties on mudcat always know better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: bobad
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 07:10 AM

So far Putin showing statesmanship, not brinkmanship

Right, standing in support of a despot who slaughters his people with poison gas shows great statesmanship. You are a sick individual.

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: peteglasgow
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 07:29 AM

keith -if you drop a load of bombs on stockpiles of poison gas what would be the effect on people nearby and the local environment?

how many wars, or the lives of people involved in those wars, have ever been improved by dropping even more bombs into the situation?

morw war is never the answer

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: Iains
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 07:42 AM

" You are a sick individual."

Naaaah!!!!!!
I just think id you want to declare war on someone you need to be able to show your evidence to the world before taking action. So far all we have is a fog of lies and obsfuscation.

If you want to claim to be world policemen you also need to be able to demonstrate a degree of integrity.
We have the UN for policing actions. Perhaps we should use it.

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 07:57 AM

"Funny how certain lefties on mudcat always know better"
Funny how extremist righties on this forum always keep their mouths shut when it is pointed out that the the horrors we are discussing and condemning are crimes of the right - not left
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: DMcG
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 08:05 AM

Funny how certain lefties on mudcat always know better

Left, right, centre or uncommitted, I think many of us realise that this is unlikely to 'give Assad a biffing' in any way that affects his personal well being (short of eencouraging a coup of some kind). If, on the other hand the aim is to make him think carefully before using chemical weapons in future, that is a much more modest aim, and maybe even achievable with this single strike.

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 08:15 AM

They're off - and it's all over
Two hundred missiles fired and Assad and Russia can continue slaughtering civilians with conventional weapons as all decent democratic nations should
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 08:34 AM

Were the missiles getting near their use by date,
and needing to be cleared out to make room to stock up on new ones at a special this weekend only discount rate...???

£££$$$

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: bobad
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 08:48 AM

Chemical weapons are wrong but it should be the UN who take action

NOT SATIRE: just in case you needed another reason to doubt the legitimacy of the UN...Syria was chosen to chair the UN disarmament forum on chemical and nuclear weapons this week.

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 10:41 AM

If you want a good gamekeeper, pick a poacher.

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 10:44 AM

I would certainly encourage regime change in Syria.

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 10:46 AM

I would encourage regime change in Syria, the USA, Russia and the UK!

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: michaelr
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 01:14 PM

Assad has won. The rebels gave up. This attack is symbolic; Trump is doing it just because Obama didn't.

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 01:38 PM

So why did France do it?
It was done to deter the use of poison gas, especially on civilians and children

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 01:50 PM

Please don't refer to this being an action by UK, it is a unilateral action ordered by one person who does not command a majority in parliament.

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 02:38 PM

Yep. #notinmyname.

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: bobad
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 03:02 PM

#inthenameofallwhowanttoputanendtomaniacaldespotsgassingtheirpeople

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 04:01 PM

IT WAS AN ACTION BY THE UK - LIVE WITH IT!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 04:15 PM

All who want to put and end to despots? I can live with that. Trump and Putin included?

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: bobad
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 05:15 PM

I see you left the "gassing their people" part out but WTH they're all equivalent right. Degrading a maniac's ability to murder his people with poison gas is the very same as poisoning your people with gas.....yeah, we get that, very good.

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: bobad
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 05:16 PM

"The fact that during this and the previous air strikes, there was coordination with the Russians should be enough to dissipate scaremongers' illusions of an imminent World War III." — #AJOpinion, by Malak Chabkoun

Al Jazeera

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: keberoxu
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 06:30 PM

Laugh at astrology all you please, however:

Michael Lutin, an astrologer with his own webpage,
compared the Trump/Syria strike timing/chart
with the Bush/Iraq strike timing/chart.

In general both charts suggest that things don't go according to plan;
and no, the charts are not identical, far from it;
but one SNAFU aspect in particular
is mirrored between the two charts.
Lutin's comment:

"it's going to be a mess like u can't believe"

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Apr 18 - 03:43 AM

BBC today said that all the Sunday papers, including the Observer, supported the strikes.
This illustrates yet again how out of touch and unrepresentative of British views the dominant British group here is.

The only demonstration against the strikes was by the extreme and Marxist SWP.

Both Question Time and Any Questions this week discussed Labour Party anti-Semitism and the dominant view from panel and audience was the view I have tried to express here.

This Mudcat group is able to dominate because their response to mainstream views is so nasty that ordinary decent people would rather stay away.

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 15 Apr 18 - 04:09 AM

Real splits in UKLabour as MPs back teresamayMP rather than jeremycorbyn so far I have seen statements on Twitter from JWoodcockMP and BenPBradshaw. They show more sense and support for our country than their leader does.

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Apr 18 - 04:09 AM

"was the view I have tried to express here."
A lapse in my resolve to talkkk to morons, but patently;y untrue
You read what you wish to read in everything and make everything left unsaid up
The only d"group" here is the little bunch of (proven now)antisemites who share your desire to bale out the Israeli regime using the Jewish people as a human shield
Just thought I'd say that before I finish
You are the first to scream and shout "thread drift" so why introduce Israel to a thread about a current news item
Pretty convincing proof that you use this forum as a personal soapbox - on behalf of extremism, against moderation and, as now shown, as a personal vendetta against those who disagree with your horrendously undemocratic and inhuman views
Do not do this again
Over and out
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 15 Apr 18 - 04:11 AM

Corbyn said "bombs and war will never make peace" he's right of course, just a pity he didn't take the same view with the IRA and hamas. Seems happy for anyone to bomb the UK.... Always has been. Hypocrite.

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Apr 18 - 04:17 AM

Ta!king to make peace is hypocritical yet using bombs to make a political point is ok? Different morality. Different planet.

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Apr 18 - 04:20 AM

"just a pity he didn't take the same view with the IRA and hamas"
Don't you ***** start Bozo - one hate-soapbox at a time, if you don't mind
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 15 Apr 18 - 04:58 AM

Touches a nerve does it Jim Carroll - Corbyn the IRA sympathiser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Hit On Syria
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 15 Apr 18 - 05:02 AM

"The lesson of history is that when the global rules that keep us safe come under threat - we must take a stand and defend them"
Theresa May 14 April 2018