Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie) Date: 20 Apr 01 - 02:11 PM You can find almost all the books named above (at least all to do with ballads) by reading Bertrand Bronson's acknowledgment pages to THE TRADITIONAL TUNES OF THE CHILD BALLADS- any volume. All right, Sandy- may I brag a little? I have all the volumes, but volume 111 is AUTOGRAPHED to me on my birthday! We never lock out kitchen door, but something tells me I'd better, from now on... Jean |
Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: GUEST,bigJ Date: 20 Apr 01 - 02:33 PM Volume 111??????? |
Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie) Date: 20 Apr 01 - 06:37 PM Yep, says so right on the dust jacket. It begins with Child # 114, "Johnie Cock." But I'm wrong- it was Volume 11 that's autographed, the one beginning with #54, "The Cherry Tree Carol." |
Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 20 Apr 01 - 09:23 PM bigJ: that was VOLUME III (i.e., 3). Surely not that difficult to understand? |
Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie) Date: 22 Apr 01 - 05:16 PM Malcolm and BigJ, Thanks for the gentle lesson... I should've used the I instead of the 1- but on my old typewriter, the 1 looked better and I was used to that. I guess the lesson underneath is that one should not brag! |
Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: sian, west wales Date: 24 Apr 01 - 04:55 AM May I throw in "Jongleur Songs of Old Quebec" by Marius Barbeau? Copyright 1962, Rutgers, The State University; Library of Congress 58-10828? Might be out of print, I suppose. A good collection of jongleur and voyageur songs recorded by the author between 1916 and 1925 along the St. Lawrence. Melodies, French texts and singable English translations plus full commentaries and bibliography. Oh dear. This is going to be a VERY expensive thread to keep on the tracer... sian, west wales |
Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: artbrooks Date: 10 Jul 01 - 10:41 PM Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see "Rise Up Singing" mentioned previously. It gets some bad press, primarily from those who object to its ubiquitous use in song circles, but it includes a lot of songs, with reasonable source and discography information. Besides, any song book with an introduction by Pete Seegar can't be all bad! |
Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: nutty Date: 11 Jul 01 - 04:51 AM I have recently acquired the following books MISS BROADWOOD'S DELIGHT - Folk Songs from Sussex and other English Counties (ISBN 0 9526363 1 X) and SWEET SUSSEX - Songs from the Broadwood Collections(ISBN 0 9526363 0 1) Both are available from Ferret Publications 34 Maney Hill Road Sutton Coalfield West Midlands B72 1JL England
BUSHES AND BRIARS - Folk Songs collected by Ralph Vaughan Williams , Edited by Roy Palmer (ISBN 1 86143 072 2)
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Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: Lin in Kansas Date: 11 Jul 01 - 04:56 AM A couple of the most-frequently used books from our collection:
One of the best source books for bawdy and old-time cowboy songs we've run into is The Whorehouse Bells Were Ringing (and Other Songs Cowboys Sing), collected and edited by Guy Logsdon, another one from the University of Illinois Press, ISBN 0-252-06488-7 (paperback). Melody line shown for most of the songs.
Also:
A Treasury of American Ballads Gay, Naughty, and Classic, edited and with an intro and notes by Charles O'Brien Kennedy, published by the McBride Company, New York (1954), ISBN 54-12427. Many interesting songs (text), but no melodies. Silverman's Guitarist's Treasury of Songs is a good addition to his two-volume Folk Song Encyclopedia mentioned above. Excellent information in this thread--thanks, everyone! Lin and John |
Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: Aidan Crossey Date: 11 Jul 01 - 07:26 AM Haven't seen it mentioned but Breandan Breathnach's Folk Music and Dances of Ireland has to be a must in anyone's folk library. Ciaran Carson's "Last Night's Fun" by the poet, musician and philosopher. Brian Hinton's "Country Roads"
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Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: pavane Date: 11 Jul 01 - 07:39 AM What about Kidson? I don't see him in here yet |
Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: pavane Date: 11 Jul 01 - 07:44 AM I suppose I should have given full details: Traditional Tunes Frank Kidson 1891. I used to use a copy in our library, but that was in the 1970's. I seem to remember he had 4 tunes to Scarborough Fair, all major key. None like the one we use today. |
Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 11 Jul 01 - 08:28 AM A reprint of Frank Kidson's Traditional Tunes is available from Llanerch, mentioned above by Nutty. They have had to wind up the original business, but the mail-order side at least is continuing as Llanerch Press, at a new address: Llanerch Press Their website has not so far been updated, but contains a full list of reprints available: http://www.llanerch-publishers.co.uk/ Dave Herron (Eckersley) of the Traditional Song Forum has compiled a useful list of folk song books in print in Britain and Ireland, an updated version of which can be seen at the South Riding Folk Network site: |
Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: Brian Hoskin Date: 11 Jul 01 - 09:55 AM A small selection of interesting (for varying reasons) books on the blues: Alyn, G. (1993) 'I Say For Me a Parable' The Oral Autobiography of Mance Lipscomb, Texas Bluesman. New York: Da Capo. Calt, S. (1994)I'd Rather be the Devil: Skip James and the Blues. New York: Da Capo. Calt, S. and Wardlow, G.D. (1988)King of the Delta Blues: The Life and Music of Charlie Patton Newton: Rock Chapel Press. Cook, B. (1995) Listen to the Blues. New York: Da Capo. Evans, D, (1982) Big Road Blues: Tradition and Creativity in the Folk Blues. New York: Da Capo. Finn, J. (1986) The Bluesman: The Musical Heritage of Black Men and Women in the Americas. London: Quartet. Palmer, R. (1981) Deep Blues New York: Viking Press. Wardlow, G.D. (1998) Chasin' That Devil Music: Searching For the Blues. San Francisco: Miller Freeman Books. And any number of books by Paul Oliver. Brian
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Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: Walking Eagle Date: 11 Jul 01 - 11:17 AM This thread is so long, I can't possibly read all of it now. Just a suggestion; check with your local university library to see if they have any of the wonderful holdings listed here. Many times they do and you can copy the songs your would like rather than buying the whole thing for just a few songs. The music librarian might be of good assistance. One suggestion: The Dulcimer Chord Encyclopedia is indispensible for any serious dulcimer player. |
Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: Nerd Date: 12 Jul 01 - 05:34 AM One of the more challenging folk books out there is Fakesong by Dave Harker. It deserves careful reading and consideration, but ultimately it deconstructs folk song as a category and leaves us without our favorite genre! It takes potshots at all the sacred cows of English folksong scholarship, and takes everyone from Sharp to Lloyd down a peg. Alan lomax's The land Where the Blues Began is a beautifully written book. for sea songs, look to Bill Doerflinger and Gale Huntingdon as well as Hugill. Kenny Goldstein and Edith Fowke's book on Bawdy Ballads and Dirty Ditties should be coming out soon, if it's not out already; Rochelle Goldstein told me they had a publisher almost two years ago. Like everyone else, I have too many favorite folk books to pick from--but how about Banjo Patterson's Old Bush Songs; Kenneth Peacock's set of Newfoundland and labrador ballads (soon to be out on CD-ROM); and Anthologie de la Chanson Francaise: La Tradition. So many great songs... Steve
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Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: IanC Date: 12 Jul 01 - 06:48 AM As Walking Eagle said, this thread is now too long to make much sense from the point of view of finding relevant books. It's also, being a forum thread, not organised in any way. Yeasterday, I spent an hour or so filtering the references out of the thread and categorising them to a degree (not yet in any real order). I have temporarily stuck them in a corner of my (not yet constructed) web site HERE. If anyone wants to look at them and make any comments or suggestions as to how they can be better organised, any additions, corrections etc. then let me know. In the meantime, I'll sort them out a bit more and properly HTML them when I get a chance. Is this useful?
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Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: pavane Date: 12 Jul 01 - 07:03 AM A couple more, not yet on your list, may be of interest: The Cruel Wars by Karl Dallas - Soldiers songs from Agincourt to Dunkirk, and The Seeds of Love by Stephen Sedley. Both contain a good deal of background information on the songs within. |
Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 12 Jul 01 - 07:08 AM Ian: It would be a good idea to include publisher's details, and indicate whether or not books are in print. |
Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: pavane Date: 12 Jul 01 - 07:35 AM I am sure that the two I mentioned have been out of print for many years. Karl Dallas himself contacted me some years ago, looking for a copy of the Cruel Wars. |
Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: Brian Hoskin Date: 12 Jul 01 - 07:45 AM I second Winick's suggestion of Dave Harker's book Fakesong and also suggest another 'academic' book: Boyes, G. (1993) The Imagined Village: Culture, Ideology and the English Folk Revival. Manchester: University of Manchester Press. Also: Rosenberg, N. (Ed.)(1993) Transforming Tradition: Folk Music Revivals Examined Urbana: University of Illinois Press. Brian |
Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: JohnInKansas Date: 16 Jul 01 - 08:02 AM Since I have sorted out most of the stuff in the "Folk Library" thread – up to 12JUL01 – for my own use, it occurs that this might be handy for some of the rest of us. Because the list is so long, I would suggest that Joe or the Joe Clones make a decision whether it should be kept. Won't hurt my feelin's if it's too much baggage and needs to be killed (mercifully please). It was a lot prettier before I took out the tabs. They don't do a good job of lining things up in HTML anyway. I don't like using dashes, but some net readers do bizarre things with spaces (or even dots). There are a couple of web addresses that were in the originals that may be garbled because I had to replace "&" with the HTML "&" to keep the rest of the list from exploding. I think the only one likely to be affected appears at "Hard Hitting Songs for Hard Hit People," but there could be others. Anything in quotes EXCEPT titles is probably my attempt to convey comments made by contributors. Apologies if I've mangled them too much. I have attempted mainly to take out duplications, and merge multiple contributions to get the best "identification" I could. My definition of identification is what you would need to be pretty sure you're getting the book you want – before you send somebody your hard-earned. Entries are in my own version of alphabetical order. It's pretty loose, but should be useable. For the curious - I count 127 titles so far. PLACES TO LOOK FOR BOOKS Title:----------------addall.com Comments:--------"good for used books." Title:---------------ABE – Advanced Book Exchange Comments:--------"Better than eBay." Title:---------------abebooks.com Comments:--------"good for new books." Title:---------------http://www.bibliofind.com Comments:--------suggested by multiple postings. Title:---------------bookfinder.com Comments:--------"good for used books." Title:---------------The Country Bookshop, Plainfield, Vt Comments:--------"Specializes in used folksong and folklore books." Title:---------------http://www.rarebooks.org/searcheng.htm Comments:--------"good link to multiple used book search engines." BOOKS AND OTHER IDENTIFIABLE (MORE OR LESS) SOURCES Title:---------------The Abelard Folk Song Book Comments:--------Cazden's collection, mostly Catskills. Author/Editor:----Cazden Publisher:----------New York, 1958 Title:---------------American Balladry from British Broadsides Author/Editor:----G. Malcolm Laws Title:---------------American Folk Poetry, An Anthology Comments:--------"Joe Hickerson prepared a superb bibliography. All text, but good footnotes pointing to sources, and a wonderful selection of songs." Author/Editor:----Duncan Emrich Publisher:---------Little, Brown and Co., Boston Toronto, 1974 Title:---------------American Folk Songs for Christmas Author/Editor:----Ruth Crawford Seeger Title:---------------American Murder Ballads and Their Stories Author/Editor:----Olive Wooley Burt Publisher:---------Oxford Univ Press, 1958, LC 58-5382 Title:---------------The American Songbag Comments:--------Original copyright 1927. Reissue has intro by Garrison Keillor Author/Editor:----Carl Sandburg Publisher:---------Reissued by Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, New York 1990 ISBN 0-15-60560-X (paperback) Title:---------------Ancient Ballads Traditionally Sung in New England (4 Volumes) Comments:--------See the Flanders Ballad Collection at Middlebury, Vermont Author/Editor:----Helen Hartness Flanders Title:---------------Anglo American Folksong Scholarship Since 1898 Comments:--------"will direct you to other worthwhile studies." Author/Editor:----D. K. Wilgus Publisher:---------Rutgers University Press, 195 Title:---------------Another Sheaf of White Spirituals Author/Editor:----George Pullen Jackson Title:---------------Archive of American Folk Song, Folklore Section, Library of Congress Publisher:---------An Archive Title:---------------The Ballad of America Author/Editor:----John Anthony Scott Title:---------------The Ballad Book Author/Editor:----MacEdward Leach Title:---------------Ballads Migrant in New England Comments:--------See the Flanders Ballad Collection at Middlebury, Vermont Author/Editor:----Helen Hartness Flanders Title:---------------Ballads and Songs Collected by the Missouri Folk Song Society Comments:--------Original printing in the 40s. Reprinted in the 60s. Author/Editor:----H. M. Belden Publisher:---------University of Missouri Press Title:---------------Barber Shop Ballads and How to Sing Them Author/Editor:----Sigmund Spaeth Title:---------------Big Road Blues: Tradition and Creativity in the Folk Blues Comments:--------A book about blues. Author/Editor:----D. Evans Publisher:---------Da Capo, New York, 1982 Title:---------------The Bluesman: The Musical Heritage of Black Men and Women in the Americas Comments:--------A book about blues Author/Editor:----J. Finn Publisher:---------Quartet, London, 1986 Title:---------------Bothy Songs and Ballads Title:---------------Bushes and Briars: Folk Songs Collected by Ralph Vaughan Williams Comments:--------Re-released by Llanerch Publishers in 1999, ISBN 1 86143 072 2 Author/Editor:----Roy Palmer Publisher:---------Llanerch Publishers Title:---------------The British Broadside Ballad and Its Music Author/Editor:----Simpson Title:---------------Catskill text (?) Comments:--------Not sure whether this is the "Abelard Folk Song Book," "Folk Songs of the Catskills," or something else?? Author/Editor:----Cazden, Haufrecht and Studer Title:---------------Chasin' That Devil Music: Searching For the Blues Comments:--------A book on blues Author/Editor:----G. D. Wardlow Publisher:---------Miller Freeman Books, San Francisco, 1998 Title:---------------The Christmas Revels Songbook Author/Editor:----Nancy & John Langstraff Publisher:---------Revels Inc. Title:---------------Country Roads Author/Editor:----Brian Hinton Title:---------------The Critics & the Ballad Author/Editor:----MacEdward Leach & Tristin Coffin Title:---------------David Herron's Chapbook Author/Editor:----Dave Heron (Eckersley) Publisher:---------The Traditional Song forum Availability:------http://ww.folk-network.com/newsletter/features/daveherrons.html Title:---------------Deep Blues Comments:--------A book on blues Author/Editor:----R. Palmer Publisher:---------Viking Press, New York, 1981 Title:---------------Deep the Water, Shallow the Shore Comments:--------Essays on shantying in the West Indies Author/Editor:----Roger D. Abrams Publisher:---------American Folklore Society Title:---------------Down East Spirituals and Others Author/Editor:----George Pullen Jackson Title:---------------The English and Scottish Popular Ballads Comments:--------Five volumes, paperback: Originally published by Houghton, Mifflin & Co., 1882 – 1898. Author/Editor:----Francis James Child Publisher:---------Dover Publications, Inc. New York, 1965 Availability:------Out of Print. Title:---------------Fireside Book of Folk Songs Author/Editor:----Margaret Bradford Boni Publisher:---------Simon and Schuster, 1947 Availability:------out of print Title:---------------The Flanders Ballad Collection at Middlebury, Vermont Comments:--------Anyone interested in making arrangements to hear the field recordings should get in touch with Mr. Terry Simpkins (tsimpkin@middlebury.edu). He is most enthusiastic about people interested in the Collection. Title:---------------Folk Music and Dances of Ireland Comments:--------Brendan Breathnach's "Ceol Rince na hÉireann" was published in Dublin, 1963, as a "Department of Education" project, with the reported purpose of recording specific performances of noted players (apparently mostly fiddlers) of various regions. Most references to "Breathnach" are to this collection. Reports vary as to how many volumes (and under what titles) have been published. The original issue appears to have been 3 volumes, but there is evidence of later partial reprints, and printings of tunes selected from several of the originals, possible for use as school texts. Recent web offerings run to $200 to $400 per volume, with sellers vaguely believing that theirs is "The real book" – but not really knowing even the title. (This includes amazon.com) A very desirable set, but - Caution advised? "Folk Music and Dances of Ireland" is probably one of his later books, but people are SO CONFUSED about the guy.... Author/Editor:----Brendan Breathnach (one of many spellings seen) Title:---------------Folksong Books in Print Comments:--------A list of folk song books in print in Britain and Ireland. Author/Editor:----Dave Heron (Eckersley) Publisher:----------The Traditional Song Forum Availability:-------http://ww.folk-network.com Title:---------------Folksongs of Britain and Ireland Author/Editor:----Peter Kennedy Publisher:----------Oak Publication Title:---------------Folk Song in England Comments:--------Also submitted as "Folksong In England." Author/Editor:----A. L. Lloyd Title:---------------Folk Songs of Canada, Vol 1 & 2 Author/Editor:----Edith Fowke & Richard Johnson Publisher:---------Waterloo Music Availability:-------Available from Empire Music in Vancouver Title:---------------Folk Songs of the Catskills Author/Editor:----Norman Cazden, Herbert Haufrecht, and Norman Studer Publisher:---------State University of New York Press, 1982 Title:---------------Folksongs of Florida Author/Editor:----Alton C. Morris Publisher:---------University of Florida Press Title:---------------Folk Songs of Old New England Comments:--------heavy on childrens' songs and singing games. Original 1939, Macmillan, also printed by The Shoestring Press, 1962, 1990. Author/Editor:----Eloise H. Linscott Publisher:---------Dover Books (reprint of the second edition), 1993 Title:---------------Folk Songs of Quebec Author/Editor:----Edith Fowke & Richard Johnson Publisher:---------Waterloo Music Availability:-------Available from Empire Music in Vancouver Title:---------------The Folktale Comments:-------"Motif index in 8 volumes, tries to list all the little events and personalities one finds in tales and ballads, etc." Author/Editor:----Stith Thompson Title:---------------Frank C. Brown Collection of North Carolina Folklore Comments:--------No indication by contributor whether this is a published work or a resident collection – somewhere. Title:---------------Funk & Wagtnalls Standard Dictionary of Folklore, Mythology and Legend (1949-50, new ed. 1972) Comments:--------recently reissued in paperback Author/Editor:----Maria Leach Title:---------------A Garland of Green Mountain Song Comments:-------See the Flanders Ballad Collection at Middlebury, Vermont Author/Editor:----Helen Hartness Flanders Title:---------------The Greig-Duncan Folk Song Collections Author/Editor:----Patrick Shuldman-Shaw, Emily Lyle, & Adam McNaughtan Title:---------------A Guitarist's Treasury of Song Comments:--------ISBN 0-7866-0555-3 Author/Editor:----Jerry Silverman Publisher:---------Mel Bay, #4 Industrial Drive, Pacific MO 63069-0066 Availability:-------"remaindered" bargains may be available at http://www.hamiltonbook.com/cgi-bin/hamiltonbook.storefront/ Title:---------------Hard Hitting Songs for Hard Hit People Comments:--------A reissue. Index at http://www.lib.utk.edu:90/cgi-bin/music/songwizard.cgi?command=search&type=6&keywords=892 Author/Editor:----Alan Lomax, Woody Guthrie, and Pete Seeger Publisher:---------Oak Publications, 1967 Availability:-------http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0803279914/qid=967842771/002-4625673-2151210 Title:---------------He Was Singin' This Song Author/Editor:----Jim Bob Tinsley Title:---------------Heart Songs Publisher:--------National Magazine & Chapple Publishing Co., 1909 Availability:------"A paperback reprint is available from a genealogy publishing house ($40), but used copies can be found ($10?)" Title:---------------Heart Throbs Comments:--------"Sentimental Poetry." Publisher:--------National Magazine & Chapple Publishing Co., 1909 Availability:------"Harder to find than "Heart Songs."" Title:---------------The Hell-Bound Train Author/Editor:----Glenn Ohrlin Title:---------------History of Hymns – Archive, http://www.umr.org/soul.htm Comments:--------"United Methodist site." Author/Editor:----William Reynolds Title:---------------I'd Rather Be the Devil: Skip James and the Blues Comments:--------A book about the blues. Author/Editor:----S. Calt Publisher:--------Da Capo, 1994 Title:---------------The International Book of Christmas Carols Author/Editor:----Walter Ehret & George Evans Publisher:---------Waltons Music Corp., Ft Lauderdale, FL Title:---------------Irish Street Ballads Comments:-------See also "More Irish Street Ballads" Author/Editor:----O' Lochlainn Title:---------------I Say for Me a Parable: The Oral Autobiography of Mance Lipscomb, Texas Bluesman Comments:--------A book about the blues. Author/Editor:----G. Alyn Publisher:---------Da Capo, New York, 1993 Title:---------------Jerry Silverman's Folk Song Encyclopedia, Volume I and Volume II Comments:--------Vol I ISBN 0-88188-103-7, Vol II ISBN 0-88188-104-5 Author/Editor:----Jerry Silverman Publisher:---------Chapppell/Intersong, 1975: Distributed by Hal Leonard Availability:------"remaindered" bargains may be available at http://www.hamiltonbook.com/cgi-bin/hamiltonbook.storefront/ Title:---------------Jongleur Songs of Old Quebec Comments:--------Collected 1916-1925 along the St Lawrence Author/Editor:----Marius Barbeau Publisher:---------Rutgers, The State University, 1962 Title:---------------King of the Delta Blues: The Life and Music of Charlie Patton Comments:--------A book about the blues Author/Editor:----S. Calt and G. D. Wardlow Publisher:---------Rock Chapel Press, Newton, 1988 Title:---------------Last Night's Fun Author/Editor:----Ciaran Carson Title:---------------Listen to the Blues Comments:--------A book on the blues Author/Editor:----B. Cook Publisher:---------Da Capo, New York, 1995 Title:---------------A Literary History of the Popular Ballad Comments:--------"Talks about the development of the ballad" Author/Editor:----David Fowler Title:---------------Long Steel Rail Author/Editor:----Norm Cohen Publisher:---------University Of Illinois Press, Urbana, IL Availability:------A new edition may be out, or soon coming. Title:---------------The Lore and Language of Schoolchildren: Childrens Games in Street and Playground Comments:--------Nursery Rhymes. Title:---------------Lost Chords: The Diverting Story of American Popular Songs Comments:--------Some fascinating stories about the songs. Author/Editor:----Douglas Gilbert Publisher:---------Doubleday Dorand & Co., 1942 Title:---------------Maritime Folk Songs Comments:--------out of print Author/Editor:----Helen Creighton Publisher:---------Ryerson Press Title:---------------Miss Broadwood's Delight: Folk Songs from Sussex and other English Counties Comments:--------ISBN 0.9526363.1.X Publisher:---------Available from Ferret Publications, 34 Maney Hill Road, Sutton Coalfield, West Midlands, B72 1JL, England. Title:---------------More Irish Street Ballads Comments:-------See also "Irish Street Ballads" Author/Editor:----O' Lochlainn Title:---------------Music In American Life Series Comments:--------Down Home Music, home of the Arhoolie Records label – a number of books from this series. Publisher:---------University of Illinois Press Availability:------http://www.downhomemusic.com/ Title:---------------Music for Patriots: Politicians and Patriots – harmonies and discords of the first hundred years (1975) Author/Editor:----Vera Brodsky Lawrence Title:---------------My Pious Friends and Drunken Companions: Songs and Ballads of Conviviality Comments:--------1927: Also available bound with the companion "More Pious Friends." Author/Editor:----Frank Shay Title:---------------Native American Balladry Author/Editor:----G. Malcolm Laws Title:---------------Negro Folk Music U.S.A. Author/Editor:----Harold Courlander Publisher:---------Dover Books, 1992, ISBN 0-486-27350-4 Title:---------------The New Green Mountain Songster Comments:-------See the Flanders Ballad Collection at Middlebury, Vermont Author/Editor:----Helen Hartness Flanders Title:---------------Nothing But the Blues: The Music and the Musicians Comments:--------Excellent photos and essays. Author/Editor:----Lawrence Cohn Publisher:---------Abbeville Press, 1993, Paperback edition ISBN 0-7892-0607-2 Title:---------------Old-Time String Band Songbook Author/Editor:----John Cohen and Mike Seeger Publisher:---------Oak Publications Title:---------------The Oxford Book of Ballads Title:---------------The Oxford Book of Carols Title:---------------The Oxford Dictionary of Nursery Rhymes (2d Edition 1997) Author/Editor:----Iona & Peter Opie Title:---------------Ozark Folksong, 4 Volumes Author/Editor:----Vance Randolph Publisher:---------Columbia, MO, 1946-1950 Title:---------------Pagan Imagery in English Folk Song Comments:-------Also called "Where is Saint George: pagan imagery in English folk song." Author publishes as "Bob," "Robert J.," and "R.J." Author/Editor:----R. J. Stewart Title:---------------The Penguin Book of English Folk Songs Author/Editor:----Ralph Vaughan Williams & A. L. Lloyd Title:---------------Popular Music of the Olden Time Author/Editor:----Chappell Title:---------------The Puffin Book of Nursery Rhymes Comments:--------Nursery Rhymes Title:---------------Read 'Em and Weep (126 & 1945) Comments:-------"studies of old, sappy classics." See also "Weep Some More, My Lady" Author/Editor:----Sigmund Spaeth Title:---------------Rise Up Singing Comments:--------Available paperback, spiral-bound, or library bound. Author/Editor:----Peter Blood and Annie Patterson Publisher:---------Sing Out!, PO Box 5253, Bethlehem PA 18015-0253, (610) 865-5366 Availability:------Most good book stores(?) Title:---------------The Robert Burns Song Book, Volume 1 Comments:--------Hovey died during the project, so there will be no Volume 2. Author/Editor:----Serge Hovey Publisher:---------Mel Bay Title:---------------Sam Henry's Songs of the People Comments:--------Several copies at $29.95 paperback and $39.95 harcover (16APR01) Author/Editor:----Huntington, Hermann, Moulden Publisher:---------Down Home Music, Home of the Arhoolie Records label Availability:------http://www.downhomemusic.com/ Title:---------------Scalded to Death by the Steam Comments:--------Stories of railroad disasters and the ballads about them Author/Editor:----Katie Letcher Lyle Publisher:---------Algonquin Books, Chapel Hill, NC ISBN-0-912697-01-6 Availability:------May be easy to find. Title:---------------Scottish Border Battles & Ballads Author/Editor:----Michael Brander Publisher:---------ISBN 0-517-552500-3, LC-75-44444 Title:---------------Shanties from the Seven Seas Author/Editor:----Hugill Title:---------------Shantymen and Shantyboys Author/Editor:----Doerflinger Title:---------------The Singing Game Comments:--------Nursery Rhymes Title:---------------Song Dex Treasury of Humorous and Nostalgic Song Comments:--------A fake book for electronic organs. 740 songs. Publisher:---------Song Dex, Inc., 1956 Title:---------------Songs of the American Sailormen Author/Editor:----Colcord Title:---------------Songs of the Cowboys Author/Editor:----N. Howard "Jack" Thorpe Title:---------------Songs of the Great American West Author/Editor:----Irwin Silber Title:---------------Songs of England, Ireland & Scotland: A Bonnie Bunch of Roses Author/Editor:----Dan Milner Publisher:---------Oak Publications Title:---------------Songs That Never Grow Old Comments:--------"Readily available for under $20." Publisher:---------Syndicate Publishing Co., 1909 Title:---------------Spiritual Folk-Songs of Early America Author/Editor:----George Pullen Jackson Title:---------------Sweet Sussex: Songs from the Broadwood Collections Comments:--------ISBN 0.9526363.0.1 Publisher:---------Available from Ferret Publications, 34 Maney Hill Road, Sutton Coalfield, West Midlands, B72 1JL, England. Title:---------------Traditional American Folksongs from the Anne & Frank Warner Collection Comments:--------Some of the original field recordings are on CD, "The Warner Collection, Vol. 1: Her Bright Smile Haunts Me Still." Author/Editor:----Anne Warner Publisher:---------Syracues University Press 1984 Title:---------------Traditional Singers and Songs from Ontario Author/Editor:----Fowke Title:---------------Traditional Tunes Comments:--------Original 1891 Author/Editor:----Frank Kidson Publisher:---------Reprint Llanerch Press, Penbryn Lodge, Pandy, Cribyn, Lampeter, Wales, SA48 7QH Availability:------http://www.llanerch-publishers.co.uk/ Title:---------------The Traditional Tunes of the Child Ballads Comments:--------Four volumes: Reportedly contains an excellent bibliography as well. Author/Editor:----Bertrand Bronson Availability:------Scarce and costly. Title:---------------A Treasurey of American Ballads: Gay, Naughty, and Classic Comments:--------Interesting songs, text only. Author/Editor:----Charles O'Brien Kennedy Publisher:---------McBride Company, New York, 1954 Title:---------------unknown Comments:--------"Sandy Ive's studies of lumbercamp songmakers Larry Gorman and Joe Scot" Author/Editor:----Dr. Edward Ives Title:---------------unknown Comments:--------"Sandy Ive's study of "The Bonnie Earl o' Murray" Author/Editor:----Dr. Edward Ives Title:---------------unknown Comments:--------"Sandy Ive's song collections from New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island." Author/Editor:----Dr. Edward Ives Title:---------------unknown: "book on shanties" Author/Editor:----JoAnna Colcord Title:---------------Various "For bawdy songs, and limericks, and jokes." Comments:--------G. Legman carried on a running battle over many decades with the "academics" who disparaged his collections as "unscholarly." An example of his "unscholarly work" is in the "JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN FOLKLORE SOCIETY," Vol 103, No 410, October-December, 1990, pages 259-413, in his article ""Unprintable" Folklore?: The Vance Randolph Collection." His coup was the printing, in the same volume of JAFS, his "Erotic Folksongs and Ballads: An International Bibliography," (page 453 & on & on & on) consisting of several hundred pages of fine print listings of "sources" so arcane and inaccessible that it is unlikely anyone will ever find a single one of them – if any of them exist. A couple of years ago, Mr. Legman was listed at the JAFS web site as a participant in an upcoming conference. Sadly, G Legman died shortly after, and so far as I can determine his name and all reference to him (including previous listings of him as participant in past conferences) has been expunged from the site. Byline usually just "G. Legman" for those who want to search. Author/Editor:----Gershon Legman Publisher:---------Various Availability:------None known in print. Title:---------------Vermont Folksongs and Ballads Comments:-------See the Flanders Ballad Collection at Middlebury, Vermont Author/Editor:----Helen Hartness Flanders Title:---------------Weep Some More, My Lady (1927) Comments:-------"studies of old, sappy classics." See also "Read 'Em and Weep" Author/Editor:----Sigmund Spaeth Title:---------------White and Negro Spirituals, Their Life Span and Kinship Author/Editor:----George Pullen Jackson Title:---------------White Spirituals in the Southern Uplands Author/Editor:----George Pullen Jackson Title:---------------The Whorehouse Bells Were Ringing (And Other Songs Cowboys Sing) Comments:--------Good history, melody line shown for most songs. Author/Editor:----Guy Logsdon Publisher:---------University of Illinois Press, ISBN 0-252-06488-7 (paperback) Title:---------------"Writer's Project Books." Various titles, usually containing "WPA" somewhere in the title. Comments:--------An example I have is "The WPA Dallas Guide and History," This happens to be one never published during the WPA years, but eventually published 1992 by Dallas Public Library and the University of North Texas Press. Seven pages of text on "Music." The State Guides were mostly completed, but many local guides may still exist only as manuscripts. An excellent article at Smithsonian Magazine, March 2000 is HERE Author/Editor:----Various. Some attributed to individuals, some only to "workers of the Writer's Program of the Work Projects Administration" Publisher:---------Various: Usually local to the area described Availability:------Writer's Program roughly 1936 – 1942. Some reprints, or like the above "late prints," appear sporadically. Title:---------------www.erols.com/olsonw Comments:--------Site recommended for info on old songs, ballads, and miscellany. Availability:------current July 2001 Title:---------------Yiddish Song Book Author/Editor:----Jerry Silverman Availability:------"remaindered" bargains may be available at http://www.hamiltonbook.com/cgi-bin/hamiltonbook.storefront/
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Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: JohnInKansas Date: 16 Jul 01 - 08:08 AM Well, my blue-clicky isn't very blue, but it worked for me. (Look hard at "Writer's Project Books." Hope someone finds this helpful. John |
Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: IanC Date: 16 Jul 01 - 12:29 PM JiK Could I use some of your comments and hints on where to get books in my resource site (see above)?
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Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: JohnInKansas Date: 16 Jul 01 - 05:15 PM IanC Comments and hints in my "summary" post are those that were in the thread, posted by a variety of people. I haven't checked any of them out in any detail, but I believe that they are all "public" resources. By all means, feel free. John |
Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: IanC Date: 17 Jul 01 - 04:15 AM Cheers! Ian |
Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: masato sakurai Date: 12 Aug 01 - 03:21 PM The following reference books, all published by Garland Publishing, are probably not for general use but useful and informative, so they are on the list of my basic folk library. The first 4 are bibliographies with short annotations. Terry E. Miller, Folk Music in America: A Reference Guide (1986) James Porter, The Traditional Music of Bitain and Ireland: A Research and Information Guide (1989) Mary L. Hart, Brenda M. Eagles, and Lisa N. Howorth, The Blues: A Bibliographic Guide (1989) W. Edson Richmond, Ballad Scholarship: An Annotated Bibliography (1989) Florence E. Brunnings, Folk Song Index: A Comprehensive Guide to the Florence E. Brunnings Collection (1981) Norm Cohen, Traditional Anglo-American Folk Music: An Annotated Discography of Published Recordings (1994)
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Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: IanC Date: 13 Aug 01 - 04:27 AM Thanks, Masato. I've grabbed your post for the Basic Folk Library (in This Thread).
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Subject: RE: Basic Folk Library PermaThread™ From: Jim Dixon Date: 13 Nov 01 - 10:14 AM I'd like to recommend the songbooks published by Albert E. Brumley & Sons. Joe, I believe you're acquainted with these; I think you once mentioned them in another thread. By the way, Joe, Ian, and John: You've done a beautiful job of designing and organizing this thread! |
Subject: Book Review: READING LYRICS From: Joe Offer Date: 04 Mar 02 - 03:12 PM Well, I suppose it isn't folk, but I think it's appropriate for folk musicians to know the songs of Tin Pan Alley. I just came across a book called Reading Lyrics, edited by Robert Gottlieb and Robert Kimball (Pantheon Books, 2000). The dust jacket blurb says the book has "more than a thousand of the finest lyrics from 1900 to 1975. A celebration of our greatest songwriters, a rediscovery of forgotten masters, and an appreciation of an extraordinary, popular art form." The lyrics appear to be strictly from American songwriters, the so-called "standards." I don't see any folk or blues, or rock 'n' roll. There are songs I love to sing. I know the tunes, but the lyrics help my fading memory. I'm sure I'll spend hours singing my way through this gem of a book. Gottlieb has another book called Reading Jazz but I don't know anything about it. Kimball edited The Complete Lyrics of Lorenz Hart, along with similar books on Cole Porter, Ira Gershwin, and Irving Berlin. The Kimball books tell the stories behind the songs, and include lots of great photos. Reading Lyrics doesn't have the photos and has only biographical information about the songwriters - but the selection of songs is terrific. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: masato sakurai Date: 04 Mar 02 - 03:28 PM "Introdution" to Reading Lyrics is online (Click here). ~Masato |
Subject: RE: Basic Folk Library PermaThread™ From: Jim Dixon Date: 20 May 02 - 08:29 PM I recently acquired and LOVE The Rough Guide to Irish Music by Geoff Wallis and Sue Wilson. It's 600 pages packed into pocket size, about 6" by 4" by 1". Here's the same book at Amazon.com and at Barnes & Noble. |
Subject: RE: Basic Folk Library PermaThread™ From: Joe Offer Date: 27 May 02 - 08:30 PM I just picked up a terrific book called Windjammers: Songs of the Great Lakes Sailors (by Ivan H. Walton and Joe Grimm - published in 2002 by Wayne State University Press, Detroit). Ivan Walton, a folklore professor at the University of Michigan, completed virtually all of his collecting and writing by 1952, two years before co-author Joe Grim was born. Walton died in 1968, his work uncompleted. Grimm assembled Walton's work into a fine book, full of lyrics, tunes, sketches, and photographs. The book includes a 15-cut CD of some of Walton's field recordings. You can get the book at the website of Great Lakes folksinger Lee Murdock for $25 paperback and $40 hardcover. The paperback may be a bit cheaper at some of the online bookstores. This is one delightful book. -Joe Offer, born in Detroit and raised on the Wisconsin shore of Lake Michigan- |
Subject: RE: Basic Folk Library PermaThread™ From: Joe Offer Date: 07 Jun 02 - 12:33 PM The Oxford Book of Sea Songs (chosen and edited by Roy Palmer, Oxford University Press, 1986). This is a very nice collection of songs of the sea. The annotations are brief, but very helpful. The book was out of print, but it was reissued and expanded in August, 2001, as "BOXING THE COMPASS" Sea Songs & Shanties Edited by Roy Palmer. (Information from Harry Oldham) |
Subject: RE: Basic Folk Library PermaThread™ From: Hrothgar Date: 08 Jun 02 - 06:16 AM Re your comment on EDWARDS, RON "The Big Book of Australian Folk Song" (Rigby, 1976). Ron also published "Great Australian Folk Songs" through Ure Smith Press in 1991. It is shown in the colophon as "First published by Rigby, 1976." I think this is the same book. Reference: Edwards, Ron; "Great Australian Folk Songs;" Ure Smith Press, 1991. Copyright R. G. Edwards 1976. ISBN 0 7254 0861 8; 507 pages, including 92 pages of indices etc; Words, music, collection dates and sources.
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Subject: Index: Folk Songs of Old New England (Linscott) From: Gerard Date: 17 Jul 03 - 02:06 PM FOLK SONG OF OLD NEW ENGLAND collected and Edited by Eloise Hubbard Linscott, 1939, 1962 344 pages SECTION ONE: SINGING GAMES COUNTING OUT DID YOU EVER SEE A LASSIE? THE FARMER IN THE DELL GO IN AND OUT THE WINDOWS GREEN GRAEL GREEN GROWS THE RUCHES, OH! HERE COME THREE DUKES A-RIDING HERE STANDS AN OLD MAID FORSAKEN HERE WE GO GATHERING NUTS IN MAY HOW MANY MILES TO LONDON TOWN? I AM A RICH WIDOW I'LL GIVE TO YOU A PAPER OF PINS I PUT MY LITTLE HAND IN JENNIA JONES KING'S LAND LAZY MARY LONDON BRIDGE LUCY LOCKET MULB'RY BUSH MY FAIREY AND MY FOREY THE NEEDE'S EYE OLD WOMAN ALL SKIN AND BONE ON THE GREEN CARPET POOR MARY SITS A-WEEPING RIGN AROUND O' ROSIES SHALL I SHOW YOU HOW THE FARMER? THE TWELVE DAYS OF CHRISTMAS WATER, WATER, WILD FLOWER SECTION TWO: THE COUNTRY DANCE GLOSSARY OF DANCE TERMS FORMATIONS STEPS CALLS FOR THE PROMPTER GENERAL TERMS DANCE FORMATIONS BONAPARTE CROSSING THE RHINE (MARCH) BOSTON FANCY, OR LADY WALPOLE'S REEL CHORUS JIG DEVIL'S DREAM THE DUCHESS FISHERS' HORNPIPE FRENCH FOUR THE GIRL I LEFT BEHIND ME GRAND MARCH, FOLLOWED BY SICILIAN CIRCLE GREEN MOUNTAIN VOLUNTEERS HAYMAKERS' JIG HIGH, BETTH MARTIN HULL'S VICTORY LADY OF THE LAKE THE LONDON LANCIERS MAID IN THE PUMP ROOM THE MERRY DANCE MISS BROWN'S REEL MONEY MUSK MORNING STAR NINEPIN QUADREILL, OR THE CHEAT OLD SIP COON PETRONELLA PLAIN QUADRILLE POP! GOES THE WEASEL PORTLAND FANCY SOLDER'S JOY SPEED THE PLOUGH STEAMBOAT QUICKSTEP THE TEMPEST TWIN SISTERS VIRGINIA REEL THE WALTZ THE WHITE COCKADE SECTION THREE: SEA CHANTEYS AND FO'CASTLE SONGS AMSTERDAM BLOW, BOY BLOW! BLOW THE MAN DOWN CAPTAIN KIDD THE DEAD HORSE THE GALLANT VICTORY, OR LOWLANDS LOW HAUL AWA, JOE! HAUL THE BOWLINE HOMEWARD BOUND JOHNNY BOKER A LONG TIME AGO OLD HORSE REUBEN RENZO RIO GRANDE SHENANDOAH, OR THE WIDE MISSOURI TOMMY'S GONE TO HILO WHISKY JOHNNY SECTION FOUR: BALLADS, FOLK SONGS, AND DITTIES ALL BOUND 'ROUND WITH A WOOLEN STRING AWY DOWN EAST THE BAILIFF'S DAUGHTER OF ISLINGTON BARB'RY ELLEN OR BARBARA ALLEN A BEAR WENT OVER THE MOUNTAIN BILLY BOY BINGO BLOW, YE WINDS, BLOW, OR THE ELFIN KNIGHT BOLD DICKIE THE BROOKFIELD MURDER THE BUNNIT OF STRAW THE BUTCHER BOY CANADAY-I-O CAROLINE OF EDINBORO TOWN THE CARRION CROW COMMON BILL THE DEVIL AND THE FARMER'S WIFE DIRANTE, MY SON, OR LORD RANDALL FAIR ROSAMOND, OR ROSAMOND'S DOWNFALL THE FARMINTON CANAL SONG FIDDLE DEE DEE FIRST FAMILIES OF FALL RIVER A FROG HE WOULD A-WOOING GO A FOX WENT OUT ON A STARRY NIGHT FROG IN THE WELL GO TELL AUNT RHODY GYPSY DAISY HERE WE GO UP I HAD A LITTLE NUT TREE I'LL NOT MARRY AT ALL IN GOOD OLD COLONY TIMES JACK HAGGERTY, OR THE FLAT RIVER GIRL THE JAM ON GERRY'S ROCKS THE JOLLY MILLER JOLLY OLD ROGER JULIA GROVER KATY CRUEL THE LADLE SONG LAVENDER'S BLUE LET'S GO TO THE WOODS, OR THE HUNTING OF THE WREN LORD LOVELL THE LUMBERMAN'S ALPHABET MAPLE SWEET THE MILL THE MONKEY'S WEDDING MY GRANDMOTHER LIVED ON YONDER LITTLE GREEN THE OCEAN BURIAL THE OLD MAN WHO LIVED IN THE WOOD OLD POD-AUGER TIMES THE OLD SOW SONG THE OLD WOMAN IN DOVER THE OLD WOMAN WHO WENT TO MARKET OUR GOODMAN OVER THE WATER TO CHARLIE THE OXEN SONG PERRIE, MERRIE, DIXI, DOMINI PETER EMILY POLLY OLIVER POLLY VAN THE QUAKER'S WOOING THE ROLLING OF THE STONES, OR THE TWA BROTHERS THE SAWMILL SONG SCOTLAND'S BURNING, AND THREE BLIND MICE A SHIP A-SAILING SPRINGFIELD MOUNTAIN, OR THE BLACK SARPENT SWEET KITTY CLOVER THREE CHILDREN SLIDING ON THE ICE THREE CROWS THREE JOVIAL HUNTSMEN TITTERY NAN TOO-RIL-TE-TOO TYBURN HILL WASHING DAY WILL YOU WEAR THE RED? OR JENNIE JENKINS WILLIKINS AND HIS DINAH YOUNG ALANTHIA YOUNG CHARLOTTE APPENDIX THE SINGERS REFERENCE ADDENDA AND CORRIGENDA |
Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: Frankham Date: 17 Jul 03 - 04:34 PM Joe, Don't forget Archie Green's wonderful book, "Only A Miner". Archie is a great folklorist in my book. Frank Hamilton |
Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: TheBigPinkLad Date: 17 Jul 03 - 05:04 PM |
Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: TheBigPinkLad Date: 17 Jul 03 - 05:06 PM Whoops, sorry about the empty post ... trigger happy. I was going to add that there is some excellent material in Bethelheim's (sp?) work regarding both folklore and folkmusic but he's been challenged on lots of his thinking in the same way Freud has been. Still, interesting stuff when viewed in it's own timeframe. |
Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: Folkiedave Date: 17 Jul 03 - 05:33 PM Anyone seeking some of these books can certainly get in touch with me both for folk books and folklore books. The website is a bit out of date because my webmaster has been busy fighting the licencing bill here in England. However try me if there is something you want. I have loads of contacts and can get things often unobtainable. Regards, Dave www.collectorsfolk.co.uk |
Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: GUEST Date: 17 Jul 03 - 08:34 PM Bill Clifton's Book 150 Old-Time Folk and Gospel Songs. Bill is the man who wrote the origional Springhill (Mining) Disaster (with help from one of the survivors). |
Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: GUEST,Jo Date: 17 Aug 05 - 07:06 PM I have a copy of Heart Songs published by National Magazine. It is pretty worn, but still readable. Do you have any suggestions of it's value. |
Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: masato sakurai Date: 18 Aug 05 - 12:16 AM See the comment on the reprint edition of Heart Songs here. |
Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 18 Aug 05 - 12:33 AM Copies of the 1909 hardbound "Heart Songs" in good to very good condition are still available for $10-12. Abebooks has many listings at various prices depending on condition and, in some cases, wishful thinking on the part of some booksellers. $37 for the reprint, considering publishing costs, is not out of line, but pick up a good used copy for much less. |
Subject: RE: A Basic Folk Library From: Joe Offer Date: 18 Aug 05 - 04:14 AM I'd agree with Q. Heart Songs is a wonderful book, but the original 1909 edition is readily available. Copies usually sell for $10-$12, but I regularly find copies for $5; so I buy them and give them away. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Songbooks: A Basic Folk Library From: GUEST,DWR Date: 23 Dec 10 - 09:27 PM Here's another vote for Heart Songs. I did it a little differently though. I gave away the reprint and kept the original. Another worth having, though it is usually in poorer shape than Heart Songs is Songs That Never Grow Old, also copyright 1909. Finally, there's the New Blue Book of Favorite Songs, all three can be found quite reasonably priced. If you pay more than $15 for any of them, you're almost certainly paying too much. Hymnals ~~ I mostly rely on two, Heavenly Highways Hymns and its immediate Stamps-Baxter predecessor, Favorite Songs and Hymns, 1939. |
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