BS: Israel's Sharpville

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 May 18 - 09:30 AM

Can we please stop talking about closing this thread - it remains open until a mod closes it so love it or leave it
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 May 18 - 09:19 AM

Steve,
Thread's dead. Accept it, chaps. Shall I call in the mods?

You seemed to believe you could just call them to get a thread closed.
Reassuring to know that you did not mean that.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 May 18 - 06:53 AM

Good result last night, Steve :-)

No one can 'get a thread closed', that is entirely up to the moderation team. Any particular thread can be brought to the attention of the moderation team by any poster and, if the team see that it has sunk to the usual level that this type of thread does, they will consider closing it. Conversely, if a thread has been closed, that closure can be appealed against by anyone.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 May 18 - 06:32 AM

Ha ha. I can't get a thread closed whenever I want and my status here is solid plebeian. Don't be ridiculous.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 May 18 - 05:44 AM

Sorry - meant to add
Umless you can come up with anything more than mindless repetition of your former stupidity, don't expect a further response - one a day is more than enough for me
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 May 18 - 05:41 AM

"Supporting a critical motion is not accusing Israel of massacres"
Neither is staying silent about their atrocities proof that they have never happened
Go ask the victims of Myanmar ethnic cleansing - they'll tell you
The world burst nt condemnation - but did nothing
Then they fell silent and have remained so ever since
It took a pop star who handed back his award to keep the attention alve
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 May 18 - 05:13 AM

It is disturbing that Steve can have a thread closed whenever he wants.
What is his status here?

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 May 18 - 05:06 AM

David, that motion was opposing Trump's decision to move their embassy.
Most decent countries did not support him and none have moved their own embassies.
It in no way validates Jim's ludicrous claim that Israel is a terrorist state guilty of massacres.
If it was it would be shunned by all decent nations. It is not.

Supporting a critical motion is not accusing Israel of massacres or making it a pariah state.
No state is above criticism.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 May 18 - 04:27 AM

Bobad's post was just a list of empty threats. Is shooting unarmed protestors or locking up children the type of response that a civilised world should take to such threats? If so, how come The USA is not shooting and locking up innocent N Koreans?

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 May 18 - 03:24 AM

"..... he can’t disagree with, he can ask for it to be closed rather than change his mind."
I have never asked for a thread to be closed and am not about to do so now
You and your friends on the other hand regularly revert to personal abuse when you find yourselves at a loss - that is tantamount to closings threads
As I requested about your accusations of lying - please do not accuse me of things I don't do - I don't lie and I don't deliberately close threads
How dare you constantly accuse me of things I have never done - including "Haring the Jews"
You are, of course free to prove examples of things I can't disagree with - but you won't - they don't exist either other than in your mind
Let's push on
"I have not seen any threats from Israel to annihilate another sovereign state, have you? "
Yes - we all have
We have seen Israel actually annihilating human beings of one culture to make room for another
In this case actions have spoken far louder than words
The ethnic cleansing over half the population are calling for has articulated that aim perfectly
Military incursions into Gaza have left behind them a wasteland of many thousands dead and the survivors without homes, schools or hospitals - what are they if they are not attempts (not meaningless threats) to annihilate a sovereign State?
There have been regular calls to cut off water and electricity supplies to Gaza - what are they if they are not threats to annihilate a sovereign state?
There is still in place a ten year old blockade of the essentials of living - farm equipment, fertilizers, building materials, some medical supplies.... actions (not threats) to bring about the annihilation so a sovereign state
A wall dividing farmers from their means of living (of the type the world ranted and raved about when it was erected to divide the two Germany's.... not a sovereign state but a people of the 'wrong culture'
The constant demands that the Arabs should be driven into the desert or into countries "of their own kind" - threats to remove an entire unwanted culture, not just a state
And above all - the demands for ethnic cleansing from over half the Israeli people remains the greatest threat to an entire culture in one state - other countries have actually carried it out but it hasn't been stated policy since the Nazis annihilated six million Jews and as many other "unwantables" from the German population
All these things are not just "threats" but many are actually in the process of happening
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 May 18 - 03:15 AM

It was an empty threat, but I do dare sometimes, Jim! Seems to have calmed down a bit since last night. Bobad has reduced the idiocy, Bruce has desisted from his silly habit of capitalising words and Keith has shut up. All we need now is a breath of fresh air. Keep it up, pfr!

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 03 May 18 - 02:13 AM

The only country I have seen recently threatening to annihilate another sovereign state is the USA.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 May 18 - 10:27 PM

bob - you know that's not what I'm talking about...
stop wasting time and insulting our intelligence persistently evading and deflecting...

You do aspire to more peaceful compromise & co-existence in the region, no matter how idealistic and impossible,
don't you...??????????

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: bobad
Date: 02 May 18 - 09:35 PM

list of all hate preachers on all sides in this sick troubled region...

I have not seen any threats from Israel to annihilate another sovereign state, have you?

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 May 18 - 08:59 PM

bob - quite some list that.. keep it up...

But I trust you're keeping a fuller balanced persons of interest list of all hate preachers on all sides in this sick troubled region...

For the sake of all humanity, no-one on any side of the divide
should be spared some form of justice, for stirring up hatred that will persist for many generations not yet born...

Like I said here earlier, a sincere International commitment to persuing regional stability demands carrots and sticks for both sides...

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 May 18 - 08:45 PM

Steve - of course I wouldn't hate you... but I'd be bloody fuming and disappointed...

... for at least 5 minutes...

Give 'em enough rope... and keep on spooling it out to them...
even sing a few shanties as they take up the slack..

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 May 18 - 08:24 PM

Leave it open. It is jc’s thread.

When something is brought up even he can’t disagree with, he can ask for it to be closed rather than change his mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 May 18 - 07:22 PM

"Shall I call in the mods?"
Don't you dare - this is exactly what these people aim for by behaving as they do - what you can't win - wreck!!!
They are humiliating themselves and have exposed themselves for what they are
Ostracise them by all means, but there's nothing wrong with the sane people here tossing ideas about among themselves
Allow these people to silence argument and Israel goes about it's bloody business uncondemned - there's SFA coming from the national press at present
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 May 18 - 07:17 PM

"Mohammad Khatami, " yatteda, yatteda yattada
So what Bobad ?
None of these people would ever attack Israel simply because it is not in their interests to do so even if they were able to do
What would they gain form helping the Palestinians - a heap of glowing nuclear rubbish
Israel is the most powerful state in the Middle East - apart from its own standing army it has the backing of other nuclear powers to retaliate should it be attacked and it has enough economic support throughout the world to bring any county who dares to attempt to make good on those empty threats crashing about its ears
This is nonsensical shit
Every terrorist state from the Nazis onward have excused their atrocities by claiming "decadence" - Israel is now playing the same card
Compare these threats with what Israel has done in the past and what it is doing now
It is shooting down unarmed demonstrators - that is a war crime - an atrocity
There can never be an excuse for what Israel is doing now - never
If the world accepts this without intervention or demanding punishment we may as well tear up every human rights declaration and every expectation of countries adhering to international laws and return to barbarity
Israel is carrying out the mass murder Keith is denying has ever happened - proof enough he is talking through his arse - and he ****** knows it
The "civilized democratic countries" he talks about stood by for decades in full awareness while Assad arrested, tortured and murdered his people - they did nothing (unless you count Britain sales of military equipment and chemicals 'something')
THe "decent.. etc" states stood by while Assad's snipers took out women carrying children in arms - no intervention, no boycotts
Britain sold fighter planes to the Saudis, undoubtedly to be used on the starving Yeminis; Cameron opened a massive arms fair aimed at some of the worst despots in the world on the eve of The Aranb Spring Protests
The same "decent, democratic" leader went to a funeral in Saudi Arabia while to pay rspects to the patriarch of the family who was, while Cameron was there, administering 1000 lashes for speaking out of turn
Where were these "decent, democratic countries" while America was pouring burning burning petrol on third world pheasants and turning their lungs into lace curitains (and those of their pilots) with carcinogenic chemicals ?
Nowhere to be seen
Our own glorious leader - Mad Maggie - fought tooth and nail to keep Pinochet and his torturing and mass murdering regime out of the international criminal courts
She described him as "a hero of democracy" and accused those who wanted him trid of "running a police state"
Decent and democratic my arse - Isreal is a terrorist state in the process of adding to its record of mass murder - backed by over half Israel's population who support ethnic cleansing and describe African refugees as "cancers"
Not much decency or democracy in all this
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 May 18 - 05:24 PM

Thread's dead. Accept it, chaps. Shall I call in the mods? I know that pfr and Jim hate me for even thinking such thoughts but I don't care. This is going nowhere and we have a decent forum to consider...

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: bobad
Date: 02 May 18 - 03:18 PM

Utter nonsense - been here, done that Bruce

Mohammad Khatami, the former president of Iran: “If we abide by real legal laws, we should mobilize the whole Islamic world for a sharp confrontation with the Zionist regime … if we abide by the Koran, all of us should mobilize to kill.” (2000)

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei: “It is the mission of the Islamic Republic of Iran to erase Israel from the map of the region.” (2001)

Hassan Nasrallah, a leader of Hezbollah: “If they [Jews] all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide.” (2002)

Nasrallah: “Israel is our enemy. This is an aggressive, illegal, and illegitimate entity, which has no future in our land. Its destiny is manifested in our motto: ‘Death to Israel.’” (2005)

Yahya Rahim Safavi, the former commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps: “With God’s help the time has come for the Zionist regime’s death sentence.” (2008)

Mohammad Hassan Rahimian, Khamenei’s representative to the Moustazafan Foundation: “We have manufactured missiles that allow us, when necessary to replace [sic] Israel in its entirety with a big holocaust.” (2010)

Mohammad Reza Naqdi, the commander of the Basij paramilitary force: “We recommend them [the Zionists] to pack their furniture and return to their countries. And if they insist on staying, they should know that a time while arrive when they will not even have time to pack their suitcases.” (2011)

Khamenei: “The Zionist regime is a cancerous tumor and it will be removed.” (2012)

Ahmad Alamolhoda, a member of the Assembly of Experts: “The destruction of Israel is the idea of the Islamic Revolution in Iran and is one of the pillars of the Iranian Islamic regime. We cannot claim that we have no intention of going to war with Israel.” (2013)

Nasrallah: “The elimination of Israel is not only a Palestinian interest. It is the interest of the entire Muslim world and the entire Arab world.” (2013)

Hojateleslam Alireza Panahian, the advisor to Office of the Supreme Leader in Universities: “The day will come when the Islamic people in the region will destroy Israel and save the world from this Zionist base.” (2013)

Hojatoleslam Ali Shirazi, Khamenei’s representative in the Revolutionary Guard: “The Zionist regime will soon be destroyed, and this generation will be witness to its destruction." (2013)

Khamenei: “This barbaric, wolflike & infanticidal regime of Israel which spares no crime has no cure but to be annihilated.” (2014)

Hossein Salami, the deputy head of the Revolutionary Guard: "We will chase you [Israelis] house to house and will take revenge for every drop of blood of our martyrs in Palestine, and this is the beginning point of Islamic nations awakening for your defeat." (2014)

Salami: "Today we are aware of how the Zionist regime is slowly being erased from the world, and indeed, soon, there will be no such thing as the Zionist regime on Planet Earth." (2014)

Hossein Sheikholeslam, the secretary-general of the Committee for Support for the Palestinian Intifada: "The issue of Israel's destruction is important, no matter the method. We will obviously implement the strategy of the Imam Khomeini and the Leader [Khamenei] on the issue of destroying the Zionists. The region will not be quiet so long as Israel exists in it ..." (2014)

Mohammad Ali Jafari, the commander-in-chief of the Revolutionary Guard: "The Revolutionary Guards will fight to the end of the Zionist regime ... We will not rest easy until this epitome of vice is totally deleted from the region's geopolitics." (2015)

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 May 18 - 03:17 PM

JC,

"In 2012, the Iranian chief of staff, Hassan Firouzabadi, announced, “The Iranian nation is [committed to] the full annihilation of Israel.” In 2014, Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei (not to be confused with Khomeini) said that the “barbaric” Jewish state “has no cure but to be annihilated.”"



"What is worth noting, however, is that Israelis intuit that Iran’s nuclear ambitions and Abbas’s deep-seated Jew-hatred actually share one critical characteristic – neither can be assuaged by territorial compromise."

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 May 18 - 03:07 PM

"In 2005, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Iran’s then newly elected president, said that Israel needed to be “wiped off the map."
Utter nonsense - been here, done that Bruce
I repeat the posting
"Hamas’s Gaza leader, Yahya Al-Sinwar says (in Arabic) that they will 'tear down the wall and tear out their (meaning Israeli’s) hearts.' "
Pathetic threats only by a group without a trained army, without adequate weapons to take on the local boy scouts, and totally incapable of ever seriously making such a threat against a State with some of the best trained and best armed troops in the entire Middle East - AS WELL AS BEING NUCLEAR FACILITATED - no more than meaningless and desperate taunts
Meanwhile, back in reality - Israel has murdered it's opponents by the thousand, has driven millions from their homes, has destroyed entire towns, villages and settlements - homes, hospitals (sometimes with the patients in them) has used heavy artillery, planes, tanks, chemical and anti-personnel weapons in built-up areas - as well as facilitating the massacre of 3,500 unarmed refugees
At the present time, Israel is slaughtering unarmed protesters - four deaths reported on Friday (in the Israeli press - probably at least double that) and more to come before the week-end is over
As well as the history of slaughter, Israeli police and soldiers have arrested and imprisoned (often without trial) many thousands of Gazans - including children
According to the Israeli Human Rights Group, B'tselem, at the end of February, this year, there were AROUND 370 PALESTINIAN MINORS BEING HELD IN CUSTODY
If that were not enough - they have stolen vast areas of territory in order to make room for Jewish Settlers and over half the Israeli people have given their support to a programme of ethnic cleansing
Apart from the Palestinians, Israeli authorities have issued an order to African refugees (who they refer to as "cancer" that they should leave Israel or be imprisoned - they have the support of half the Israeli people for this too
I shouldn't have to repeat this - it was a stupid claim when it was first made and it remains just as stupid
ISRAEL HAS BEEN THE AGGRESSOR FROM DAY ONE - THE BRITISH SAILED OUT OF PALESTINE TO THE SOUND OF HAND GRENADES BEING THROWN INTO OCCUPIED ARAB HOUSES IN ORDER TO CLEAR THEM FOR THE NEW SETTLERS - A RELATIVE OF MINE WAS THERE WHEN BRITISH TROOPS LEFT
IT IS ALSO CONFIRMED IN THE WRITINGS OF BENNY MORRIS
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 May 18 - 02:50 PM

Abbas blames British for the State of Israel.


" At a meeting of the Palestinian National Council, Abbas addressed a crowd of hundreds and stated that the Jews have no historic connection to the land of Israel and that the Holocaust was the result not of anti-Semitism, but of Jewish anti-social behavior and money lending. He even let the Jews off the hook for the State of Israel, claiming that it was the British – not the Jews – who wanted to create the State, as part of a larger colonial project.

U.S. officials and Jewish leaders across the board condemned Abbas in no uncertain terms (though a leading Haaretz opinion writer did insist, somewhat incomprehensibly, that Abbas’s anti-Semitism does not indicate his lessening support for a two-state solution). Dan Shapiro, the U.S. ambassador to Israel during the Barack Obama administration, tweeted: “It’s over for Mahmoud Abbas. What a disgusting note to go out on.”

If Israelis were not surprised by Netanyahu’s proof of Iran’s nuclear ambitions, they were even less nonplussed by Abbas’s reprise of classic European anti-Semitic tropes. What is worth noting, however, is that Israelis intuit that Iran’s nuclear ambitions and Abbas’s deep-seated Jew-hatred actually share one critical characteristic – neither can be assuaged by territorial compromise."


"Since then, Iran’s vitriol has only intensified. In 2005, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Iran’s then newly elected president, said that Israel needed to be “wiped off the map.” In 2012, the Iranian chief of staff, Hassan Firouzabadi, announced, “The Iranian nation is [committed to] the full annihilation of Israel.” In 2014, Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei (not to be confused with Khomeini) said that the “barbaric” Jewish state “has no cure but to be annihilated.”

Iran and Israel share no border, and there is no territorial dispute between the two. Yet nothing about radical Islam’s appetite for Israel’s destruction can be sated, and ultimately, Israelis believe, the same is true of the Palestinians as well. What Abbas’s diatribe did was simply to confirm that Palestinian lust for Israel’s demise has not abated in 70 years; in an ironic way, there is relief in Abbas’s ending the charade.

The Mossad heist, the Iranian drone that followed a few weeks later (perhaps in response to the Mossad operation) and Israel’s bombing raids over Syria may be the first shots across the bow in a much larger conflict to follow. No one knows.

What unites Israelis, interestingly, is their largely shared sense that other than ceasing to exist, there is nothing that Israel can do to end the calls for its destruction and avoid periodic armed conflict. In 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky, the father of revisionist Zionism, wrote his famous essay, “The Iron Wall,” arguing that the Arabs would never accept the existence of a Jewish entity in their midst, and that to survive, Zionists would have to put up an iron wall and be willing to fight, perhaps forever.

Increasing numbers of even left-leaning Israelis sense that Jabotinsky, sadly, may have been right. Few Israelis want a war with Iran. If war does come, however, most will see it not as a fresh conflict, but as the latest tragic battle in the now century-long conflict over whether the Jews have a right to a national home in the Middle East."

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-05-02/netanyahu-and-abbas-clarify-israel-s-choices?cmpId=yhoo.headline&yptr=yahoo

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 02 May 18 - 02:40 PM

Leaving aside the dubious premise that only "liberal democracies" can be "decent countries", it seems almost every major western democracy voted in favour of that resolution, and of those that did not the overwhelming majority of the others abstained. No single European country voted against.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 May 18 - 02:04 PM

"I do not know why you are here either. You contribute nothing to the discussion and just wind people up.

...not people... I'm a humanist remember.. I like the idea of people...

No I reserve my wind ups for 'anti-people', those with bitter bigoted resentment festering in their hearts and minds...

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 May 18 - 01:56 PM

As is always the case.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 May 18 - 01:54 PM

"I would agree with this. I hope you allow others to be the same way."


Bruce - absolutely...

..let our opinions loose..

..and while folks squabble in vain hope of persuading the others to their way of thinking..
or just squabbling for the sake of squabbling..
It should be up to any observers to judge in their own minds which of the squabblers is the biggest dickhead...

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 May 18 - 01:49 PM

David,
Most, seeing as those motions were adopted.

No. Liberal democracies are a small minority at the UN.
Also, supporting a critical motion is not accusing Israel of massacres or making it a pariah state.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 May 18 - 01:46 PM

Mr Shaw,

"spouting anti-Palestinian nonsense and lies through an extremely bigoted lens,"

As opposed to blighted this thread by spouting anti-Israeli nonsense and lies through an extremely bigoted lens?



Please discuss the nonsense and lies rather than the people. YOU are not having a discussion, you are demanding others accept your opinion as gospel without debate.

If you have valid points, show them. If you want to attack people for disagreeing with you, go ahead, but don't claim "can't be arsed to ask a mod to review the thread but it is clearly going nowhere useful."

YOU are defining "useful" as "presenting only your side of the issue. " That is not acceptable to all of us.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 May 18 - 01:46 PM

PFR,
Bob - fyi.. I know enough about this subject, and continue to learn more..

You have yet to make any remotely serious comment about the current issue.
Most of your posts are indeed about other posters as has just been pointed out.

I do not know why you are here either. You contribute nothing to the discussion and just wind people up.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 02 May 18 - 01:37 PM

For instance

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 02 May 18 - 01:35 PM

"Which decent nations voted for which of those motions David?"

Most, seeing as those motions were adopted.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 May 18 - 01:32 PM

PFR,

"Yes, I do respond assertively to opinions I disagree with,
and will continue doing so..
All opinions are not equal, or to be respected...!!!"

I would agree with this. I hope you allow others to be the same way.


IMO, I do not see that "we reached a point where Jim despairs of ever having any serious debate on this subject"

I see that JC has not been able to persuade some of us to agree with his opinions, and he has failed to even consider others. If we ask for supporting information, he takes it as an attack rather than chance to enlighten others- and he refuses to "discuss" anything- his opinion is the only one he admits might be valid. I see no effort on his part to "debate", just lecture and demand other's acceptance of his opinions as proven fact.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 May 18 - 01:31 PM

Sorry to say this yet again, but, one more time, three people have blighted this thread by spouting anti-Palestinian nonsense and lies through an extremely bigoted lens, and, before bobad decides to get all childish again, those three people are Keith, Bruce and him. I can't be arsed to ask a mod to review the thread but it is clearly going nowhere useful. I've been more or less out of here for a while and I definitely am now. I recommend the move.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 May 18 - 01:30 PM

".....and demanding that the IDF soldiers guarding it shoot him"
Israel Hayom (Israel Today)
2008 study by Moran Rada published in The Seventh Eye showed that while competing newspapers' coverage of Benjamin Netanyahu was "not especially fair," Israel Hayom's coverage was biased in favor of Netanyahu in most editorial decisions, that the paper chooses to play down events that don't help to promote a positive image for Netanyahu, while on the other hand, touting and inflating events that help promote Netanyahu and the Likud.[8] Oren Persico reached the same conclusion after the 2009 Knesset elections, writing that throughout the campaign, Israel Hayom published only one article critical of the Likud, and tens of articles critical of Kadima.[9]
The popular nickname of Israel Hayom is "Bibiton," a combination of Benjamin Netanyahu's nickname "Bibi" with the Hebrew word for newspaper, "iton."[10] While in the Prime Minister's office, Ehud Olmert criticized Israel Hayom.[11][12] Journalist Ben-Dror Yemini has described the paper as "endless capital with a political agenda."[13]
In 2016, it formally endorsed Donald Trump's presidential campaign.[14][15]

Give us a break Bobad!!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 May 18 - 01:21 PM

"All lies, of course"
Bingo!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 May 18 - 01:20 PM

Bruce - didn't see you before posting...

I don't join parties, or toe lines.. can't help it I was born a punk hippy..

You'll find I do understand what the 'other side' says...
and decide for my self on what grounds to reject it...

Btw.. I don't have any urge or need to 'take sides'...
that's the benefit of an enlightened 1970s UK state education..

Jim knows that although I tend to respect him more than some others,
I am not shy to criticize him at times if I feel it appropriate..

Yes, I do respond assertively to opinions I disagree with,
and will continue doing so..
All opinions are not equal, or to be respected...!!!

I don't care about being popular, haven't fretted about that since my early 20s
when I was in a notorious culturally alienated punk band..
I am happily unsociable and reclusive...

Nice stab at analysis though..

Any other points...???

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 May 18 - 12:58 PM

DtG - I should [and do ] know better - but this fills in a few boring minutes every now and then between 'to do' list chores...

More seriously, it seems we reached a point where Jim despairs of ever having any serious debate on this subject
while the dynamic duo do their best to kill reasonable discussion stone dead with sheer prejudice before even it begins...

So if you can't beat 'em.. I might as well have some fun playing with 'em...???

well... I'm not perfect...

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 May 18 - 12:54 PM

Or not.   Your choice

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 May 18 - 12:52 PM

Right, PFR.

Toe the party line and listen only to the "proper" people. Don't try to understand what the other side has to say- you might actually think for yourself whether the Gospel according to JC is entirely correct.

Just attack those who present facts or opinions you disagree with. Don't bother to bring up facts YOU are aware of that others might not have considered. That way you can maintain your popularity.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 May 18 - 12:47 PM

Don't fall for it PFR. Oxygen of publicity and all that. Everyone in their right minds understands what you are on about. The others are just not worth wasting your cyber breath on.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 May 18 - 12:38 PM

Bob - fyi.. I know enough about this subject, and continue to learn more..
As importantly, I also know more than enough about the machinations of devious malignant reactionary mindsets
to enjoy a few hearty chortles at what I read here and in other BS threads...

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 May 18 - 12:33 PM

K & b - Working on one of your other tactics now.. eh.. fellas...?????

Thing to consider about my mum, is just how much she pretends she can't remember
just for her own devious amusement, and to gain attention...???

Wouldn't it be so sly if someone was habitually indulging in similar strategies in our BS threads...!!!???

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: bobad
Date: 02 May 18 - 12:32 PM

From Israel Today

A Palestinian man from Gaza has been arrested after approaching the border fence with Israel and demanding that the IDF soldiers guarding it shoot him so he could collect a monetary reward from Hamas.

Mustafa Bana was among the thousands of Gazans who violently rioted along Gaza's security fence last month.

Toward the end of April, Bana entered the closed military zone adjacent to the fence and called out to the Israelis to shoot him. Instead, the soldiers fired in the air and demanded he back away from the fence. Ynet reports that a Hamas force also showed up and called on Bana to return to Gaza. He refused.

Bana was told by the Israelis that he could come through the fence, but that he'd be arrested and tried for terrorist activity if he did. Bana agreed, and is now on trial in Beersheva.

During his interrogation, it was revealed that Bana wanted the soldiers to shoot him so that Hamas would pay him $500 and a monthly stipend, a common reward for those injured while violently confronting Israel.

This incident is demonstrative of why so many Palestinians keep gathering at Gaza's security fence, and why so many have been injured by Israeli soldiers.

They want to get shot.

Some are forced to go into harm's way by their oppressive terrorist overlords. Others are swayed by hateful indoctrination. For the rest, Hamas resorts to one of the oldest tricks in the book, tempting the poorest members of society with cold hard cash to do things they would otherwise never dream of doing.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: bobad
Date: 02 May 18 - 12:21 PM

I don't even know why PFR is on this thread, all he is posting is about other posters. He admitted to knowing little about the subject of the thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 May 18 - 12:17 PM

PFR, if you have a grievance, say what it is.
All your tedious waffle is just to hide the fact that you have nothing to accuse me of.
But please prove me wrong. What have I done?

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 May 18 - 11:58 AM

My mum's memory span is frequently less than 5 minutes..
but sometimes she randomly picks up on what's discussed and retains it long term...

I'm not naming names, but someone beginning with K seems to have similar difficulty
with his and other mudcatter's posts in this thread...

..though.. on the other hand ...I repeat....

Today's word is "disingenuous"...

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 May 18 - 11:52 AM

Jim,
All lies, of course
Yes. Propaganda. Otherwise Israel would be a pariah state.

David,
Quite a few decent nations voting for resolutions critical of Israel
Which decent nations voted for which of those motions David?

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 May 18 - 11:46 AM

ONE MORE TIME
All lies, of course
Jim Carroll