BS: Israel's Sharpville

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Apr 18 - 12:43 PM

It seems to me that the "facts" are what is in dispute- Should there be video, perhaps it can be determined. IMO Israel SHOULD release video of the entire area- but I doubt if the Western media would release it unedited.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Apr 18 - 12:41 PM

Yes, Mr. Shaw.

"...the army said..."


"The military says..."

"stating facts. Of course, you can include your views, as comment is free, but facts are sacred.


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"The soldiers were not defending themselves. Nobody was endangered – neither Israeli citizens nor the soldiers. "
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" “hundreds of rioters” tried to burn the fence and infiltrate Israel. It says the crowd approached the fence and threw grenades, explosives, firebombs and rocks as they tried to set the fence on fire. It says troops opened fire “in accordance with the rules of engagement” and halted the crowd."
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So, if it were the SOLDIERS who "threw grenades, explosives, firebombs and rocks" you would consider that "Nobody was endangered"??






I thought the only way to determine facts, when not there, is to look at what BOTH sides say, and try to reason out what ACTUALLY happened. You seem to indicate yo will only listen to one side, and accept their statements as "fact" without any other consideration.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Apr 18 - 12:37 PM

PFR,
Is that a verifiable fact...???

Yes. There is a free media and opposition that constantly put the case against government policy.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Apr 18 - 12:24 PM

"...the army said..."


"The military says..."


In the words of Mandy Rice-Davies... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 27 Apr 18 - 12:19 PM

Mordechai Vanunu. Some harm came to him, he spent 18 years in prison.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Apr 18 - 12:09 PM

"In a statement Friday, the army said “hundreds of rioters” tried to burn the fence and infiltrate Israel. It says the crowd approached the fence and threw grenades, explosives, firebombs and rocks as they tried to set the fence on fire. It says troops opened fire “in accordance with the rules of engagement” and halted the crowd.

The military says in other incidents Friday, Palestinian crowds rolled burning tires, hurled rocks and flown kites with flaming objects attached with the goal of damaging the fence and other Israeli targets."

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Apr 18 - 12:08 PM

"Many in Israel speak out against its policy and actions, but no harm ever comes to them as it so often does to dissidents in less liberal democracies."

Is that a verifiable fact...???

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Apr 18 - 12:03 PM

Why brave Kevin?
Many in Israel speak out against its policy and actions, but no harm ever comes to them as it so often does to dissidents in less liberal democracies.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Apr 18 - 12:00 PM

It seems to me that he's stating facts. Of course, you can include your views, as comment is free, but facts are sacred.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Apr 18 - 11:55 AM

It is an interesting statement from a prominent Israeli.
His views on the matter are not widely held in Israel, and as he says, not among the democratic governments of the world either.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Apr 18 - 11:54 AM

Clearly Ilam Baruch, the former ambassador concerned, is a very brave man.

Subject: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Apr 18 - 11:10 AM

Can we have a rational debate on this important statement by a former Israeli ambassador to South Africa without having the thread closed down?
Let's see, shall we!
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Jim Carroll