BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 May 18 - 05:25 PM

I mentioned it to Joe, and he was fine with it... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 May 18 - 05:16 PM

It's as well you didn’t pick up that in a fountain in Jerusalem, Steve, or mentioning that could turn out controversial. Identifying the Vatican as a source of food poisoning doesn’t register as sectarianist, outside Norther Ireland anyway...

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 May 18 - 07:58 AM

Oh, good, glad to hear it. Not that you were ill, of course, but that the bugs had the decency to wait until you were back home!

I didn't see the match I'm afraid so cannot comment on anyone handling his balls.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 May 18 - 07:24 AM

My lurgy didn't start till we were back home, Dave, so the holiday was not in the least spoiled. Watched the match on telly with a very down-at-heart Roman commentator! And that final "handball" was NOT a bloody penalty in a million years!

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Iains
Date: 09 May 18 - 06:58 AM

Here you are Dave. To nip argument in the bud so to speak:

https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/houseplants/wandering-jew/growing-wandering-jew-plants.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Iains
Date: 09 May 18 - 06:46 AM

"Still, c'est la vie as they say in Scunthorpe."
I used to shop quite frequently in sunnyscunny the garden town?
I heard Polish quite frequently but rarely if ever French.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 May 18 - 06:34 AM

Bugger :-( At least you had the bonus of Liverpool winning while you were there so hiding in the bathroom was probably for the best :-) I bought some British fava beans by Hodmedod's , both split and whole, from our samples shop. Very nice they are. The split ones can be added to any soup or casserole while cooking. The whole ones needed to be soaked first. Out of interest it said on the packet that fava was from the Latin Vicia Faba, native to the Old World, bearing large pods containing edible seeds. Bean is the Germanic version of the same thing so a fava bean is a bean bean!

Right. Off to start my annual thread on Eurovision. That should be safe enough although Israel did make it through to the final. I would comment that this is an indication of Israel's influence in Europe but that is probably antisemitic ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 May 18 - 06:10 AM

Solicitous of

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 May 18 - 06:07 AM

I could start a recipe thread, Dave. Or even bring recipes into this one. Got back from Rome this weekend, and now that I've got over the worst bout of food poisoning ever, probably picked up from a defective drinking fountain at the Vatican (two days' upchucking and four days of the running tom-tits are an epic way of losing weight, by the way, I've discovered, though you do end up with an arse like a half-chewed blood orange), I can begin to think about food again, though I haven't got past cornflakes and lightly-buttered toast as yet...

We had "pizza pinza" in one pizzeria - it has a more fermented and bubbly crust than normal pizza and is gorgeous. Whatever toppings you like. Other nights we had the genuine pasta alla carbonara and matriciana, both of which the Romans are fiercely solicitous. Occasionally with a bonus side dish of fava bean purée. God those guys can cook. I'm off to find some dried split fava beans in a minute.

Maybe talking about food in a non-Israel thread is a symptom of rabid extremism or a sign that we've "lost." I'm sure we'll be told. Do you care, Dave? Now may I remind you that it's been a bloody long time since Morrisons Nero d'Avola has been on offer? 'Ave a word!

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 May 18 - 05:37 AM

Not sensitive at all Iains. I suspect even a thread on plants will attract unwarranted attention when we start to discuss the Wandering Jew... :-D

I know threads will go where they will and accept that. In fact I said as much on a recent thread. What I object to, and Joe confirmed it is the reason some threads get closed, is when they become entirely derailed and a battleground for 3 or 4 posters. Still, c'est la vie as they say in Scunthorpe.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Iains
Date: 09 May 18 - 05:21 AM

D the G. You are a tad sensitive. Threads go where they go. Many seem to spend their time picking on Keith or rubbishing Brexit. Try starting a thread on weeds!

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 May 18 - 04:57 AM

Is it possible to have any thread at all that does not descend into slagging off the Labour party or bringing up the Palestinian conflict?

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 May 18 - 04:43 AM

Sorry Steve, but the Israel thread is now just discussing Labour anti-Semitism too.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 May 18 - 04:42 AM

Flintrock eggs. Mmmmmm.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 May 18 - 05:27 PM

He'll find that I've fed him flintrock eggs, John!

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 May 18 - 01:56 PM

Don't feed the........aaaww, Fuggeddit!

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 May 18 - 01:49 PM

Well I haven't dipped into this thread for several days, but as my finger hovered over the thread title I thought I'll have a little bet with my myself first. I bet myself that K**** would have tried to turn it into a Labour antisemitism thread at the first opportunity as if it were the only issue at stake in local party politics all over our hallowed nation.

And guess what!

Predictable, boring, repetitive in the extreme, obsessive, utterly vexatious. Pathetic. The death of sensible discussion in any political thread he "contributes" to.

And I trust that the man whose name I will not name will remember that any attempt to respond to me in any way, shape or form would be useless. Oh God, he will anyway...

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 May 18 - 08:11 AM

Confusing day Dave - I'll try not to awaken the sleeping troll again
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 May 18 - 04:21 AM

Sorry, Jim. You fell for it again. Hertford is now awash with...

Well, best not dwell on that.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 May 18 - 04:20 AM

Jim, if I had extreme views you should be able to find them in current threads.
You can't because it is a lie.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 May 18 - 03:10 PM

I've quoted you ad nauseum - even if it were true that others made them they are your views - you are responsible from posting them on this forum AS YOUR VIEWS no mythical figure of your owen invention ever has
Anybody whp holds those vies is a raving racist
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 May 18 - 02:31 PM

Jim, quote me.
Most of those were expert views I was just reporting.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 May 18 - 01:22 PM

"My views are moderate and mainstream."

I'm trying to decide if that sounds better in a Dalek or Cyberman voice...???

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 May 18 - 01:17 PM

My views are moderate and mainstream."
Implants, slave-owning Travellers, brainwashed children, "silly antisemitism......?
Sure they are
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 May 18 - 01:08 PM

The bank holiday seems to have reset K****'s internal system clock back a few weeks...

That must likely explain his word for word regurgitation of his own discredited script soundbytes from several threads ago...????

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 May 18 - 12:52 PM

I heard it was absinthe makes the fart go Honda.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 May 18 - 12:40 PM

My views are moderate and mainstream.
The only extreme views on display are those of the Far Left, which dominate all political debate on Mudcat now.

But prove me wrong.
Quote something extreme from me.
Good luck with that.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 May 18 - 12:11 PM

K**** - ever thought you might have more success spreading your bile
if you just voluntarily cut your losses,
moved far away from mudcat to where we can no longer keep an eye on you,
and found an entirely different forum somewhere else on the internet
to concentrate all your spare time in...

pastures new and all that.....

After you settled in some place new, you could even send a postcard once or twice a year..
absence makes the heart grow fonder.....

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 May 18 - 12:06 PM

Hoops Gentlemen, hoops.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 May 18 - 12:01 PM

I'm still on "Date: 06 May 18 - 04:43 PM " trying to find time to catch up and read the rest...
[more fool me..]


Pete - this way madness lies...



K**** - behave your sneaky self, you know very well we know what you are doing...

You get cold shouldered out of one pub for your extreme views,
so move to a different pub on the other side of town
in the hope no-one there has heard your crap before
so you can start it up all over again...

Guess what it's the 21'st century,
pub landlords can easily communicate their blacklists to each other..

ok.. end of strained metaphor...

..and I'm off back in time to catch up with the rest of this thread...

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 May 18 - 10:50 AM

They denigrate themselves.
All the complaints came from inside the party.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 May 18 - 10:24 AM

Change hands!

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 May 18 - 10:24 AM

As this thread seems to have become a wank fest for those wishing to denigrate the Labourt party.

99...

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 May 18 - 10:21 AM

Dave, your report is two years old.
It only found anti-Semitism in Labour.
Labour's anti-Semitism has got dramatically worse since then and apart from Livingstone all the cases we have discussed here came after it.

You have just come across the report and imagine it still has some relevance.
It does not.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 May 18 - 09:20 AM

"Jim, ignore it. It is becoming increasing apparent that my analysis of 'Different morality,"
There's nothing to "ignore" Dave - he's more or less admitted that there is racism in the Tory party but he doewen't want to comment for fear of incriminating them
#Of course they are being accused of everything - they are guilty of everything theey are accused of
Their Home Secretary has just 0resigned because of a racist policy put in place by the Prime Minister - doesn't come much higher up the political pecking order than that
The foreign secretary - the one who has to deal with all these 'Johnny Foreigners' is a loudmouthed serial racist' - that augers well fro our foreign relations   
Keith - of all people, with his support for wartime antisemitism, is the last person to accuse anybody of antisemitism
Give u while these right-wing extremists are throwing British politics politic open to an extremist foreign power
Don't think so
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 May 18 - 08:57 AM

Jim, ignore it. It is becoming increasing apparent that my analysis of 'Different morality, Different language, Different planet' is entirely true. It is like trying to have a conversation with an alien who communicates in a way we will never understand. I have given up and heartily recommend everyone else does the same.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 May 18 - 08:47 AM

Dave,
I have stated quite clearly that it is not an issue for Labour alone and the parliamentary commission agrees.

Yes it is an issue for everyone, every group and every party.
But it has only been a problem for one party, Labour, according to the Commission.

Jim,
The Tories were accused of acute Islamophobia several years ago

They are constantly accused of all sorts.

The British Home Secretary has just lost her job for her party's policy of detaining and threatening to deport immigrants back to where they came from half a century ago

Completely untrue. She lost it for misleading Parliament about targets.
Of course they had targets. Labour had them too and Abbott said they still would.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 May 18 - 08:14 AM

You can add to that racist mix a foreign secretary (of all positions) who is still living in the world of "picaninnies" and "watermelon smiles"
No evidence - are you joking?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 May 18 - 07:49 AM

"because there is no evidence of any. "
WHAT
The Tories were accused of acute Islamophobia several years ago - there has not been a single inquiry into that accusation
The British Home Secretary has just lost her job for her party's policy of detaining and threatening to deport immigrants back to where they came from half a century ago

Planet Zog must be very warm this time of year - put a hat on - the sun's getting to you
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 May 18 - 07:46 AM

I agree, Iains. I said as much. The issue affected Labour's ability to win seats, particularly where the Jewish population is high. The fact that they still won seats and were not wiped out by the issues does them credit. But, yes, Corbyn does need to address the issue. Whether you and I agree on what the issue actually is is irrelevant. It still needs to be addressed.

I have stated quite clearly that it is not an issue for Labour alone and the parliamentary commission agrees. I think he should take the initiative and lead a movement to eradicate racism, sexism and any other types of prejudice in all its forms from the country in General and Westminster in particular. But I suspect my voice is not heard so high.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: peteglasgow
Date: 07 May 18 - 07:42 AM

i don't think you read my post iain where i specifically criticise blairites and tories for their warmongering. amazing that such violence and murder can be ignored in the desire to find some stick to beat labour and specifically jeremy corbyn with. i suspect the 'crime' that the left make is to seek peace for all- including the palestinians. some folk just can't tolerate that idea

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 May 18 - 07:30 AM

"Was it not Bliar Blair and mythical WMD that led us to war in Iraq, "
No it was not - it was the unquenchable thirst for oil that set this moving long before Blair joined the melee
You are partly right in one respect - Corbyn needs to deal with the accusations of antisemitism
If it exists as a serious problem, you need to explain why it does and what it is.
Nobody has to date and Keith's mindset demonstrates it is no more than a stick to beat a decent party
The Israelis have made their bahaviour "Jewish" and in doing so they have exposed the Jewish people to yet another threat of international antisemitism - as if the last six million victims wasn't enough
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 May 18 - 07:24 AM

Pete,
amazing that all recent posts on here concentrate on supposed anti-semitism in the labour party while ignoring the racism and anti-semitism in other parties.

because there is no evidence of any.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Iains
Date: 07 May 18 - 07:23 AM

Dave the major point to take away from this is that antisemitism may exist in pockets everywhere but this time around it has clearly impacted election results. Labour will self destruct unless Corbyn deals with the problem quickly.

"likewise the right can happily live with the shambolic and callous tory government and their shameless dealings with the murderous saudi regime who are using uk weapons to kill defenceless yemeni (mostly) muslims"
Was it not Bliar Blair and mythical WMD that led us to war in Iraq, and how many has that killed? Your argument may be valid but sadly lacks true perspective!

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: peteglasgow
Date: 07 May 18 - 07:00 AM

amazing that all recent posts on here concentrate on supposed anti-semitism in the labour party while ignoring the racism and anti-semitism in other parties. i'd guess labour voters are well-used to relentless smear tactics in the press and tire of the cynical opportunism of the blairites (who seem relatively unconcerned about the death of hundreds of thousands of mostly muslim iraqi citizens)

likewise the right can happily live with the shambolic and callous tory government and their shameless dealings with the murderous saudi regime who are using uk weapons to kill defenceless yemeni (mostly) muslims

recent voting shows the 2 parties on 35% - maybe we all need to come to some accommodation with our consciences when choosing how to vote. stopping the wars is always the most important thing for me

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 May 18 - 06:54 AM

So Dave, only Labour and the LibDems mentioned by name, and no other party has suffered any complaints at all from the Jews in their party. Only Labour Jews have complained about it, and quite a lot of them.
That report is out of date anyway, being published in 2016.

It appears that definition of antisemitism has changed from those who do not like Jews to those who criticise Israel, Jim.

No it has not Dave. You are making shit up now.

Of course it impacted the result, Iains, particularly in those areas of high Jewish residence. The thing we must ask ourselves in light of the passage I highlight above is why the mainstream media chose to highlight the "Labour party alone" when even the Parliamentary review accepts it is an issue affecting all parties.

It lost them votes in areas of high Jewish residence like Barnet, but it may have gained them anti-Semite votes elsewhere.

The report says, " It notes that "the failure of the Labour Party consistently to deal with antisemitic incidents in recent years risks lending force to allegations that elements of the Labour movement are institutionally anti-Semitic", but stresses that all parties must examine whether the Committee's recommended reforms should be applied to their own processes for training and disciplining their members and activists."

Other parties should examine themselves, but only Labour is described as having a problem and failing to deal with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 May 18 - 06:41 AM

This, from a pamphlet I picked up at our local arts centre a few weeks ago
Jim Carroll
Jewish Labour activists defend Corbyn as Israel lobby attacks Asa Winstanley Activism and BDS Beat 26 March 2018

Jewish Labour activists demonstrated in support of Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn on Monday afternoon in London.
Left-wing group Jewish Voice for Labour has praised Corbyn’s “consistent commitment to anti-racism” and condemned current right-wing attacks.
The show of support comes after two Israel lobby groups issued a call on Sunday to demonstrate against alleged anti-Semitism in the Labour Party, for which they hold Corbyn responsible.
But Jewish Voice for Labour has called an emergency rally as a counter-demonstration, accusing the Board of Deputies of British Jews and the Jewish Leadership Council of “playing party politics” ahead of May’s local elections.
Mick Davis, chief executive of the ruling Conservative Party, is former chairman of the Jewish Leadership Council – a leading part of the UK’s Israel lobby.
On Monday morning’s edition of BBC Radio 4’s flagship Today program, the Jewish Leadership Council’s current chairperson Jonathan Goldstein issued an unprecedented personal attack on Corbyn.
Goldstein claimed that “Jeremy Corbyn is now the figurehead for an anti-Semitic political culture, based upon obsessive hatred of Israel, conspiracy theories and fake news.”

Labour witch hunt
Since Corbyn became leader of the Labour Party in 2015, he has faced relentless attacks from right-wingers and supporters of Israel due to his long-standing support for Palestinian human rights.
Exaggerated and often entirely fabricated charges of anti-Semitism against Labour activists have been used to attack Corbyn and his grassroots supporters.
These activists have often been Jewish themselves, targeted for supporting Corbyn and for longstanding Palestine solidarity activism.
Polls ahead of May’s local elections have predicted that Labour under Corbyn will make significant electoral gains.
Jewish Voice for Labour on Monday accused the Israel lobby and its allies of using the current wave of anti-Semitism allegations to undermine Labour’s chances.

Appalling
The JVL statement said that as Jews in Labour currently campaigning in local elections, “we are appalled by the actions and statements of the Board of Deputies. They do not represent us or the great majority of Jews in the party who share Jeremy Corbyn’s vision for social justice and fairness.”
“Jeremy’s consistent commitment to anti-racism is all the more needed now,” the group added.
Jewish Voice for Labour also accused Israel lobby groups of being “silent” on the “massively more anti-Semitism on the right of politics.”
They pointed to a “senior ex-adviser to the prime minister who recently used a national newspaper to dredge up anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.”
In February former Theresa May advisor Nick Timothy wrote an article in the Conservative-supporting Telegraph accusing Jewish billionaire George Soros of a “secret plot to thwart Brexit.”
The piece was widely condemned for “dog-whistle anti-Semitism.”
But some on the pro-Israel right supported the piece. Anti-Muslim journalist Melanie Phillips claimed “there was nothing whatsoever anti-Jewish, with or without the dog-whistle, in anything Timothy wrote.”
Soros is often a hate figure for right-wing anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists, especially those promoted by the Hungarian government – which is closely allied with Israel.
Mark Elf, the Jewish anti-Zionist who has for years blogged at Jews Sans Frontieres tweeted on Monday evening that the Jewish Voice for Labour counter-demonstration outnumbered the pro-Israel one.
Times correspondent Lucy Fisher tweeted that there were ten Conservative lawmakers at the demonstration, but only a “handful” of Labour lawmakers “milling around solo.”

Mural controversy
The current wave of right-wing, anti-Palestinian attacks on Corbyn’s leadership was triggered last week after a Facebook comment by Corbyn from six years ago was dredged up.
Labour lawmaker Luciana Berger Tweeted a screenshot of Corbyn commenting on Facebook in 2012, criticizing the removal of a mural in East London titled “Freedom for Humanity.”
Berger is parliamentary chairperson of the Jewish Labour Movement – a group which lobbies for Israel and has strong links with the Israeli embassy.
The group said in a statement on Sunday night it would be joining the demonstration against Corbyn.
Corbyn responded to Berger with regret over the old Facebook comment and said he should have “looked more closely at the image” of the mural first.
He also issued a statement on Sunday saying he was “sincerely sorry for the pain which has been caused” by what he described as the “anti-Semitism [which] has occurred in pockets within the Labour Party.”
Conspiracy theories
Mear One, the Los Angeles artist behind the 2012 mural, on Sunday denied it was anti-Semitic.
In a 2012 video showing how he painted it, he said it depicted “the elite banker cartel known as the Rothschilds, Rockerfellers, Morgans, the ruling class elite few, the Wizards of Oz … The symbol of the Free Mason pyramid rises behind this group.”
Lutfur Rahman, a left-winger and then the elected mayor of Tower Hamlets in East London, had the mural removed, saying at the time that whether “intentional or otherwise, the images of the bankers perpetuate anti-Semitic propaganda about conspiratorial Jewish domination of financial and political institutions.”
In the late 19th century, some leading members of the Rothschild banking family financially supported early Zionist colonization of Palestine.
Indeed, the infamous Balfour Declaration – which announced the British Empire’s intent to hand Palestine over to colonization by the Zionist movement – was addressed to Lionel Walter Rothschild.
Zionism, however, was an idea intricately tied to British imperialism and principally supported by Christian Zionists, while being opposed by a majority of prominent British Jews at the time.
Yet British and American anti-Jewish and right-wing conspiracy theorists ignore these facts and regularly cite the Rothschilds’ role in Palestine as part of their claims asserting secretive “Rothschild” control over the world.
Palestinians have repeatedly made clear that they want such conspiracy theorists to have no part in their struggle.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 May 18 - 06:21 AM

It appears that definition of antisemitism has changed from those who do not like Jews to those who criticise Israel, Jim. I would draw your attention to the section parliamentary report defining antisemitism and the Criticism of the IHRA/EUMC definition which some on here seem to think are the be all and end all.

As Iains said, the discussion of antisemitism in the Labour party could go on and on but it will have to go on and on without me. The parliamentary report more than supports the case that this is not simply a Labour party issue and that is good enough for me. If anyone wants to imply that the press is right and commission is wrong then I suggest they write to their MP with a complaint against the commission.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 May 18 - 05:54 AM

"Those that wish to deny it is a problem should study the local election results"
The election result show a creeping increasing support for Labour - if the accusations of Antisemitism and all the other things that have hurled against them had had the slightest effect Labour would be crashing in flames, it is not
THe press has mounted one of the most vicious campaigns against Corbyn I have ever witnessed, yet his fortunes are still on the rise - that says everything aa far as I am concerned.
Unfortunately, the British tendency towards racism (go look at the percentages) mean that antisemitism is something that doesn't concern them overly
You haven't responded to my question "why has Labour, with its historty of anti-raism, suddenly become an "antisemitic" party ?
You can add thos that - what form does that "antisemitism" take
As far as I can see, it is based entirely on criticism of Isreal and their supporters
It is the Israel regime who have made their policies "Jewish" - it is not surprising that some of their opponents have taken their lead in this
I won't bother to waste my daily ration of replying to Keith on his moronic repetition of dis proven claims - I'll save that for later
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone planning a long UK night tonight?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 May 18 - 05:36 AM

Of course it impacted the result, Iains, particularly in those areas of high Jewish residence. The thing we must ask ourselves in light of the passage I highlight above is why the mainstream media chose to highlight the "Labour party alone" when even the Parliamentary review accepts it is an issue affecting all parties.