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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Tunesmith Date: 28 May 18 - 02:02 PM All I'm saying is that we have to give Robinson a platform. If he is not calling for violence, then he is not breaking the law. And, interestingly, the authorities would have been down on him like a ton of bricks if they had any proof of him advocating violence. All voices must be heard. And, again Jim, let's have your answers to the following questions. 1) Do you believe homosexuals should be persecuted? 2) Do you believe a person should be killed for leaving their faith? 3) Do you believe that women should have lesser rights than men? Well, Jim, what are your answers?
I don't like [the conduct of certain individuals] in the BS section, but I can't see how public censure would do any good. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Jim Carroll Date: 28 May 18 - 02:02 PM "I'm not supporting anyone." TYes you are Bobad "mam Tawhidi ?Verified account @Imamofpeace I’m a practicing Muslim and a third-generation Imam. I’ve known Tommy Robinson for 6 years and he has shown me nothing other than absolute respect and kindness, despite the fact that he completely rejects Islam." Or is this faked Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: bobad Date: 28 May 18 - 02:00 PM And wy are you supporting the very trpe of fanatic that sent six million Jews to their deaths Bobad ? I'm not supporting anyone.....you're becoming hysterical again, calm down. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Iains Date: 28 May 18 - 01:55 PM It is too early to say where this will end, but the fallacy of categorizing all opposition to mass immigration as “far right,” as the European press has unanimously done, is evidently intended to rule debate over immigration out of bounds. But the truth may be worse than that: perhaps being labeled “far right” can be a precursor to groundless arrest, secret trial and incarceration, and a ban on reporting. As has been noted above, signing the petition would potentially draw the attention of the police/security service/special branch. I do not think many realise just how comprehensive these records are. For example: by 1973 the drugs intelligence unit held 250k known and suspected drug criminals. In 1979 it was estimated36 million names were held. Now social security numbers can be linked to car ownership, passports and driving licenses and data retrieval even for the bobby on the beat is almost instantaneous. Couple that with the guaranteed knowledge that anyone joining a political party, demonstration, sit-in, protest or any other activity regarded as anti government will automatically give you a special tag on the government database that holds your records. None of this has been debated in the public arena and the growth of surveillance is insidious and unrelenting. In time of political instability a press of a button will select those for the gulags. This really is what the Robinson case is all about, no matter how you wish to follow the MSM spin. https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/03/home_office_mega_database/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Jim Carroll Date: 28 May 18 - 01:51 PM "He has distanced himself from the EDL when he considered that they were not rooting fascists and the racists." And set up another organisation with exactly the same policies He's a fucking racist and an antisemite Tommy Robinson's trip to Poland "He said he had an “amazing time” despite claims that chants calling for a “Jew free” country were heard at the march. Sikh youth group associating with far-right EDL founder Tommy Robinson EDL founder Tommy Robinson to give talk at top US university Tommy Robinson wrongly declares a 'jihadi incident' at the scene Ukip leadership hopeful opens door to Tommy Robinson joining party “I have had an amazing time with polish patriots marching against Islam . Polish pride is something else,” he wrote on Twitter. There were burning red flares, speeches and attendees also listened to Polish hip hop. One of the banners from the march reportedly read: “White Europe of brotherly nations” and another said: “Pray for Islamic Holocaust.” One demonstrator who was interviewed by state television TVP was asked why he had attended the event and he replied to “remove Jews from power,” the Jewish Chronicle reported. Far-right figures from across the continent, including Sweden, Germany, Italy and Slovakia, attended the event Why are you people supporting fascism and why are the mods allowing you to use Mudcat as a hate platform? Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: punkfolkrocker Date: 28 May 18 - 01:47 PM I watched a documentary a year or 2 or 3 ago.. When he was talking with a muslim organization and supposedly becoming more 'enlightened'... I'd have more trust in his sincerity if he just voluntarily resigned from the public arena to get on with his life in quiet obscurity... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Tunesmith Date: 28 May 18 - 01:37 PM We can only judge Tommy from what he says. He has distanced himself from the EDL when he considered that they were not rooting fascists and the racists. He always talks facts and says that he has black friends and relatives AND Muslim friends. He has said time and time again that he has no problems with your average law abiding Muslims. I can't believe his critics on this thread have ever watched any of his interviews. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Jim Carroll Date: 28 May 18 - 01:28 PM And wy are you supporting the very trpe of fanatic that sent six million Jews to their deaths Bobad ? Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: punkfolkrocker Date: 28 May 18 - 01:25 PM "He doesn't come across at all as this fascist nutter..." Well his type wouldn't, would they, in propaganda recruiting videos aimed at respectable middle of the road 'conservatives'... btw... just watched the 1992 movie "Romper Stomper"* again for the 1st or 2nd time since it was released in Cinemas... Of course these days 'normal Daily Mail' readers would be shocked if the likes of Tommy still had sw@stika tattoos on their foreheads... [*BBC are showing the provocative present day TV series sequel...] |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Jim Carroll Date: 28 May 18 - 01:25 PM Yup Go count the number of victims of Clerical abuse in Ireland - they haven't got round to Britain yet All religions have a record of persecution and violence "Jim, can't you see how dangerous that is!" Islanm is a religion you stupid little man Muslims are among the most well behaved and industrious of any group of non-indigenous people in Britain All sections of the population have their misfits The largest group of sexual groomers in Britain are from the indigenous population and the most common form of grooming is on-line I'm far more concerned about the danger of FASCIST THUG YOU ARE DEFENDING AND HIS MATES - they are the most likely to carry out violent attacks and their victims are largely the Muslims you are choosing to denigrate Why are you making this fascist piece of dirt a hero ? What's wrong with you people? Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: punkfolkrocker Date: 28 May 18 - 01:14 PM Not only is it 40 years since my generation of well [ state school ] educated teenagers were actively supporting the newly emerging popular progressive Rock Against Racism / Anti-n@zi League movement... But Tommy Robinson hadn't even been born yet... How things have changed for the worse again in just one generation...??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: bobad Date: 28 May 18 - 01:09 PM when it comes to the rape of Children, Christianity has proved itself far more dangerous Nope. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Tunesmith Date: 28 May 18 - 12:13 PM Kenny B, I haven't signed the petition -even though I think Robinson was "fitted up" -for the very reasons you said...which should have us all worried. Beware the knock on the door! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Kenny B (inactive) Date: 28 May 18 - 12:04 PM Has it occurred to anyone that those who do sign the petition will make themselves visible to the security services …. this is the 21 century I don't think anyone on Mudcat will sign it but the fact that it has been drawn to our attention here will show what kind of support this type of thing has. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Tunesmith Date: 28 May 18 - 12:02 PM What is intolerable is the British Establishment gagging the main critic of Islam in the UK, and then preventing the media from reporting on the event. Jim, can't you see how dangerous that is! You might not like what Robinson is saying but the alternative is far more worrying. I'll be interested to see how this plays out in the the US media. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Bonzo3legs Date: 28 May 18 - 11:59 AM And my wife and I have just come back from a lovely wooded walk in a little nature reserve called Bramley Bank, south of Croydon!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Jim Carroll Date: 28 May 18 - 11:54 AM ""First they came for the critics of Islam," You need to get your act together Tunesmith Islam is a religion annd no more dangerous than any other religion (when it comes to the rape of Children, Christianity has proved itself far more dangerous If you are going to use this thread as a platform for hate, be clear who you are hating I have asked that this thread be closed down - perhaps if we start insulting each other that might help!! This really has become intolerable Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 28 May 18 - 11:36 AM Sop every time someone who is convicted is rearrested for breach of conditions for a suspended sentence the media should report it? Robinson is a nasty nobody who is not worthy of ANY media attention. That is all there is to it. Only neo nazis and want to make an issue about it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Tunesmith Date: 28 May 18 - 11:36 AM Oh dear! I hope our US friends value freedom of speech more than the UK Establishment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: David Carter (UK) Date: 28 May 18 - 11:29 AM I agree with Jim here, this thread should be closed as people are openly advocating signing a petition in favour of a fascist. If it was a petition in favour of Anjem Choudary, and no doubt there have been such, I would say the same thing, and I believe that the mods would close the thread down very quickly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Tunesmith Date: 28 May 18 - 11:29 AM No, he's in prison because the Establishment want to shut him put. "First they came for the critics of Islam, and I said nothing..." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: David Carter (UK) Date: 28 May 18 - 11:25 AM Iains, he was inside Canterbury Crown Court in 2017. That is what he is in prison for. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Jim Carroll Date: 28 May 18 - 11:15 AM "most well known critic of Islam " What's wrong with that Ttunesmith How would you feel if he was the most well-known critic of Christianity or Judaism our Buddhism Would he be a hero then? Why should we be worried ? Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Tunesmith Date: 28 May 18 - 10:43 AM Well, it appears that there is a real gagging order on covering Tommy's arrest and imprisonment by the press/media. So the most well known critic of Islam in this country has been silenced, and even his silence has been silenced. If that is not worrying then I don't know what is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Tunesmith Date: 28 May 18 - 10:19 AM I have come to the conclusion that this case is very disturbing. As another poster pointed out, the petition to have Tommy released has reached 350,000 plus and that is in spite of a virtual media blackout with its refusal to cover Tommy's arrest. I watched the BBC TV this morning and - unless I missed it - there was no mention of Tommy, and later I looked through all the daily newspapers, and again I couldn't see any reference to Tommy. The attitude of the media and the Establishment ( Government, Courts, Police etc ) smacks of a totalitarian state, and is so much more disturbing than Tommy's controversial speeches. And, again, I urge people to watch some of Tommy's videos. He doesn't come across at all as this fascist nutter as painted by certain people on this thread. A society should be very alarmed when free speech is gagged like this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 28 May 18 - 09:08 AM Sub judice rules https://www.out-law.com/page-9742 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 28 May 18 - 08:52 AM Seen news pictures - Neo-Nazi vermin are defiling the English Flag. They make me sick. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Jim Carroll Date: 28 May 18 - 08:34 AM I have requested that this thread be closed before it becoems a recruiting site for neo Nazi =organisations Happy to see the confirmation that Farage is linked to the extreme right - not that we didn't know it already Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Iains Date: 28 May 18 - 08:31 AM A petition to Parliament only requires 10000 signatures. The petition mentioned above hopes to raise 500,000. The issues having them concerned go beyond the simple arrest and imprisonment of Robinson. It is about freedom of the press and due process. Banning reporting of his arrest and quelling any discussion in the MSM reeks of a hidden agenda. The following youtube clip alludes to this idea and takes the discussion far wider than Robinson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qPy051z_PE It is a speech by Farage to the mainstream media. I recommend you listen and form your own opinions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Jim Carroll Date: 28 May 18 - 08:17 AM "Jimmie I put up with your rabid rubbish. " Keep this up please Iains, not only does it get added to my list of your abuse but is will ensure that this thread gets closed, as it should You have my full blessing "https://www.change." THIS FORUM SHOULD NOT BE USED TO CIRCULATE A NEO-NAZI PETITION Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 28 May 18 - 08:09 AM What are their addresses. Decent people need to know if neo-nazis living next door. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Iains Date: 28 May 18 - 07:49 AM Jimmie I put up with your rabid rubbish. don't tell me what I can or cannot post.I am surprised you request a thread be closed. You normally accomplish it with your own stupidity Now 346000 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Jim Carroll Date: 28 May 18 - 07:35 AM "He was outside the court." He has a history of inciting racist hatred If the police and court decided he was at risk of doing so again - I accept that - so should you If I suggested that the police or the corts needed the assistance of a Neo Nazi to ensure people got the information the needed you would call me anti-British and you would be quite entitled to do so - that is exactly what you are suggesting As critical as I may be of the establishment, I Believe that Britain's history of democracy and moderation acts as a check and balance to ensure our access to information to ensure this information will never again be dpendent of pro-Nazi scum like Rothermere, or actual neo-Nazis like Robinson - you obviously don't share that view "341000 signed and rising." I find that very depressing - you obviously find it exhilerating Why are you putting up links from International neo-Nazi orhanisations Now you really are using this forum as a hate site If you continue to do so I will ask fro this thread to be closed and for you to be removed from this forum We really don't need Nazi supporters Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Iains Date: 28 May 18 - 07:33 AM Interesting that the BBC used a helicopter to film the house of Cliff Richards being searched on an unsubstantiated claim of child abuse and there is a virtual black out on grooming gangs. Also a news blackout on the MSM about Robinson. This is by no means over. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Iains Date: 28 May 18 - 07:13 AM you are not allowed to film or take photographs in court for a good reason. He was outside the court. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: David Carter (UK) Date: 28 May 18 - 07:07 AM I can't believe that some of you are on here defending this creep. He is guilty of contempt of court, you are not allowed to film or take photographs in court for a good reason. Prison is the right place for him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Iains Date: 28 May 18 - 06:58 AM https://www.change.org/p/theresa-may-mp-free-tommy-robinson 341000 signed and rising. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Iains Date: 28 May 18 - 06:52 AM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzOzq_zKjjA I trust the prison officers will ensure his safety while jailed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Jim Carroll Date: 28 May 18 - 06:46 AM If you believe this man is not a fascist thug or has been arrested unfairly have the courage to say so so we can discuss it on that basis instead of revverting to your usual name-calling That is what debate should be about You should not be using the forum to promote racists like Robinson Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Jim Carroll Date: 28 May 18 - 06:30 AM "Anyone can report, providing they adhere to the guidelines." Anybody reporting such matters should do so responsibly I asked why you are defending a neo-Nazi thug Please don't call ne an anglophobe (unless you are deliberately attempting to close this thread - which I have no objection to) The only comment I have ever made about the British people is the disturbing rise in racism (which id fully documented) To suggest that criticising the British establishment is anti British is to identify the British people with the worst examples of behaviour of its politicians I have never done that - you just have If you can't learn to debate politely your presence is as unwelcome as the thug you are defending, Tommy Robinson Pack it in now please Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Iains Date: 28 May 18 - 06:19 AM "There is a need for the public to know about these grooming cases." Not from a fascist thug Wrong!!!!!! Anyone can report, providing they adhere to the guidelines. We even put up with your anglophobia. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Senoufou Date: 28 May 18 - 06:04 AM If one wants to see child grooming gangs of any race or persuasion brought to justice (and who wouldn't?) surely it's sensible NOT to attempt to interfere with due process of Law, so that their trials can proceed without hindrance? As the Judge said, one can't have anybody intimidating defendants or witnesses, or the defending lawyers could help their clients wriggle out of the trial because of the pressures of intimidation. Standing around trying to film the defendants, creating a fracas with amateur publicity etc isn't going to help. And if the clot doesn't like his 13 month sentence, he can presumably appeal (good luck with that though). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Jim Carroll Date: 28 May 18 - 05:54 AM "There is a need for the public to know about these grooming cases." Not from a fascist thug Severe reporting restrictions are to protect communities from Neo-Nazis like Robinson or from his organisations turning them into hate platforms Britain has enough problems with race as it is He is being silenced because he is a Neo-Nazi - his party links make it quite plain what he is. The grooming gangs got all the exposure they needed to get - every British newspaper covered the trials fully Time to start locking these hate peddler by-products of Brexit before they get out of hand You have been given this piece of scum's track record -why are you defending him? Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Iains Date: 28 May 18 - 05:35 AM "But his arrest is NOT about his views, it's due to the existence of a previous suspended sentence, contravened by contempt of court and breach of the Peace." Yes, with reservations! If I understand correctly Robinson has attended several grooming trials as a "reporter" There is a need for the public to know about these grooming cases. HOWEVER there is also a need to ensure the trial of so many defendants can proceed without becoming jeopardised by breaching the extremely severe reporting restrictions that apply when a case involves child sexual exploitation. "There have been three separate trials in progress in Leeds of more than 20 individuals accused of being part of a grooming gang. Not all of the trials have yet concluded. As with other grooming gang trials, the prosecution has invested a great deal of effort in securing justice for the alleged victims; part of that effort is to ensure that outside interference is not allowed to compromise or even collapse the trial." "Former prosecutor Nazir Afzal set out the potential pitfalls of breaking reporting restrictions: “We nearly lost the so called Rochdale grooming case (#ThreeGirls) cos of a far right communication … Their lawyers applied at their trial that the jury had been prejudiced by Far Right We had to fight to persuade Court to allow trial to continue Those criminals came close to being freed & victims close to getting NO justice Jury must decide on EVIDENCE, not on your OPINION” That he should be punished for potentially collapsing a trial is beyond dispute. That he is being silenced for highlighting grooming gangs that are a minority of a particular demographic is another issue. This latter issue is a topic both police and government would prefer to sweep under the carpet and pretend it does not exist. It is a totally unacceptable. The speed with which he was arrested and sentenced says a lot. None of it particularly complimentary to our police, government and judiciary. Different people will draw different conclusions. The so called breach of the peace he was accused of smacks of a trumped up charge to me. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/grooming-gangs-uk-britain-newcastle-serious-case-review-operation-sanctuary-shelter-muslim-asian-a8225106.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: David Carter (UK) Date: 28 May 18 - 03:38 AM Chilling photograph half way down the article linked to by Jim, taken in London, not Berlin, and a reminder that there were dark forces in Britain, and those forces have not gone away. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Senoufou Date: 28 May 18 - 03:20 AM There are bad citizens among any group, race or religion. But most Muslims aren't arrested for being drunk and disorderly, their children are generally well-behaved in school, and while 60% of the HM Prison population is 'Christian' (I doubt whether these 'Christian' inmates attend church though!) the proportion for Muslims is 8%. However, this represents a higher proportion than their percentage of the general population, and has risen from 4% over the last two years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: David Carter (UK) Date: 28 May 18 - 03:06 AM Just to take minor issue with JIm's post of 07:55PM (why can't this thing work on UT?) I would say that South Asians and East Asians are the most industrious and law abiding communities, irrespective of their religion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Jack Campin Date: 28 May 18 - 03:04 AM Robinson is one of the leaders of a terrorist organization and getting his followers (like the Finsbury Park killer) to commit murder on his behest. People get locked up for that, though in his case for a trivially short time - an Asian Muslim would have been looking at 20 years for the same crime. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Senoufou Date: 28 May 18 - 03:00 AM I wonder if Mr 'Robinson' would object if he fell terribly ill and the paramedics and A&E doctor turned out to be Muslims? Or his dentist (like ours) had a dental nurse who wore the hijab? Or he needed the Police, having been robbed, and one of the officers who turned up was a Muslim? My sister, before she retired, was a hospital doctor in Scotland, and half her team were Muslims. Her Registrar was Egyptian for example. They worked incredibly hard and were absolutely dedicated to the Team. This is why it's so misguided of these haters to lump an entire demographic group together and label them. Basically, the word for that is IGNORANCE. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Jim Carroll Date: 28 May 18 - 02:31 AM TOMMY ROBINSON and ASSOCIATES TOMMY ROBINSON, WHOSE online posts were read by the London mosque attacker, was recently banned from Twitter for breaching its “hateful conduct policies,” but he remains on Facebook and YouTube, where he reaches a combined audience of more than 900,000 people. Robinson rose to prominence as the leader of a group called the English Defence League, a far-right organization that said it was concerned about “how non-Muslims are being marginalized” in British society. In 2013, Robinson stepped down as the English Defence League’s leader, saying that he was concerned about the “dangers of far-right extremism.” However, he has since continued to campaign on the same issues as a solo operator. His Twitter page, before it was suspended, offered a steady stream of posts that presented Muslims and Islam as existential threats to British and European society. Rowley, the U.K.’s counterterrorism police chief, said Robinson was guilty of spreading “dangerous disinformation and propaganda” and claimed he was the right-wing equivalent of a British Islamist preacher named Anjem Choudary, who was jailed in 2016 for encouraging support for ISIS. During his February speech in London, Rowley said that Robinson was using his platform to “attack the whole religion of Islam by conflating acts of terrorism with the faith.” Jim Carroll |