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BS: Jim Carroll should stay

punkfolkrocker 13 Jun 18 - 12:47 PM
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Jim Carroll 13 Jun 18 - 11:09 AM
Donuel 13 Jun 18 - 10:38 AM
Nigel Parsons 13 Jun 18 - 08:37 AM
Jim Carroll 13 Jun 18 - 07:32 AM
Vic Smith 13 Jun 18 - 07:21 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Jun 18 - 12:47 PM

ACME - thanks, but already doing that to enlarge, and standing back about a metre from the 22" monitor to focus...

[press Ctrl and using mouse wheel works for me..]

Been very short sighted since I was 7 or 8..

Now I've reached a point where I can only read my 5" screen phone if I take my glasses off,
and hold the phone about 3" in front of my eyes...

But my mid distance everyday getting about, and big screen TV viewing vision has remained stable for decades...

Getting old is weird...


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Acme
Date: 13 Jun 18 - 12:26 PM

"Control +" increases the font size on your browser, "Control -" reduces it. No need to use the shift key on the plus move.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Jun 18 - 11:29 AM

why should dyslexics get all the limelight...!!!???

wot about us folks getting older with fading eyesight..

My close up reading vision is now well buggered, and worse during the hours of day after waking up...

Older folks have cataracts and other age related sight impairments...

All we ask of other mudcatters, is a little consideration of how your posts will be viewed
by diverse ability readers...

Is that too much to ask...???

back to dyxlexsics... is there a medical condition foe us wot have forgotten how to spell properly..

[probably early onset dementia...???]


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Kenny B
Date: 13 Jun 18 - 11:28 AM

"but most post till they croak   ;^/ "

You pays your money and makes your choice

So.….
Wee Sammy says to his grandma "can Grandpa do frog noises"
"No" she says,
"why do you ask"
so wee Sammy says " Cos my mammy says when grandpa croaks we're all going to Tenerife"


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Jun 18 - 11:09 AM

"In finding a rhyme for MacColl."
As long as it's not "filler" Nigel!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jun 18 - 10:38 AM

And some put it up to a vote

but most post till they croak   ;^/


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 13 Jun 18 - 08:37 AM

Expressing your feelings in rhyme,
Is a good way of passing the time.
And Vic’s on the ball,
He did not take a fall,
In finding a rhyme for MacColl.

Obviously I avoided the obvious rhyme because it had ‘not a lot’ to do with the subject matter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Jun 18 - 07:32 AM

Thank you Vic - nice to be summed up so well
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Vic Smith
Date: 13 Jun 18 - 07:21 AM

The thread says "Jim Carroll should stay", Though some think he should call it a day. Just mention MacColl, And our Jim will stand tall, With both guns blazing away.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jun 18 - 06:09 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE0RGJirEts
explaining jokes is funny.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 13 Jun 18 - 04:07 AM

Acme:
Dyslexia lures KO
There was a 'meme' (did we call them memes back then?) for graffiti showing support for a cause (or person/thing) of "_____ rules, o.k."
Taking the widely held (if not strictly accurate) belief that dyslexics see the letters of words in the wrong order, the graffiti uses anagrams of both 'rules' & 'o.k.'.

Cheers
Nigel
(Humour isn't funny if it has to be explained)


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Raedwulf
Date: 13 Jun 18 - 03:28 AM

As I said, Roger was, for the most part, a perfectly nice chap. I seem to remember he did some good work in raising awareness of a couple of issues that would affect performers (the 'three in a bar' rule over venues having to have a performance licence was one; wasn't there something about copyright as well?). But on censorship? Oh boy...


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jun 18 - 10:38 PM

I was watching Bill Mahre this week and he previewed the book 'Uncle Steve'. I thought of Mr. Shaw. (shh)


Dyslexic's should stray... J.C. should save...
Dyslexics play with language.
Some call it mistakes with language.
It's just over thinking language.
But critisizing the overly critical
about issues political
things can get physical.


Scrolling past extremly long posts
doesn't mean you're dyslexic or crazy.

It means you're lazy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Jun 18 - 10:10 PM

I liked Shambles, too, PFR. I even invited him to visit my home. But he thought it unfair that I would let him say things only once, and that I allowed only one thread on any given subject at a time, and that I didn't let him copy-paste the same word-for-word things in three threads all at the same time. He called that censorship.

I admired his passion for his causes. But he seemed to think his causes demande that he repeat the same words over and over and over and over again - several times a day. If I could have disabled copy-paste on his browser, he would have been fine.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: bobad
Date: 12 Jun 18 - 09:44 PM

I have sex daily.......I mean dyslexia.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Acme
Date: 12 Jun 18 - 09:20 PM

Does that mean something?


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: bobad
Date: 12 Jun 18 - 08:57 PM

dyslexia rules OK.....maybe?


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Acme
Date: 12 Jun 18 - 08:32 PM

Even looking it up, I have no idea what that means, Jim. Or how to read it. This didn't help.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jun 18 - 12:09 PM

Well I think I'll be carrying on as normal...


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jun 18 - 12:08 PM

"dyslexia"
Graffiti from the sixties - "dyslexia lures KO"
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: wysiwyg
Date: 12 Jun 18 - 11:57 AM

It's not just dyslexia. I worked for years in typesetting, and there is solid research about the human eye's need for a balance of type vs white space and the effects of different ratios.

Really it just depends on whether you want ppl to read your best thinking, or react to the first sentence and swing at you from there. If it feels like ppl aren't bothering to read your whole post-- that nmay be due to basic physiology we all share... rather than a character flaw to attack.

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Acme
Date: 12 Jun 18 - 11:49 AM

Steve, that's the problem - losing one's place, so not bothering to start at all unless one really must, and then making the screen so narrow the lines are short and it's easier to keep your place.

Raedwulf, most of what we do is remove spam, a virtual form of taking out the trash. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jun 18 - 11:04 AM

So how many people here are dyslexic, Acme? I've had my blocks of texts complained about many times but never on those grounds. I've just asked Mrs Steve about this: she was a special needs teacher for many years and the SENCO at a junior school for a lot of those years. She doesn't regard large blocks of text as a particular impediment for people with dyslexia, suggesting that the only real problem arising from it could be confusion due to losing one's place. If mudcat were a sanctuary for dyslexia-sufferers I'd behave differently. In the meantime, I don't mind being criticised for bad grammar or ambiguous sentence construction, etc., but I can't make allowances for everybody, and I'm not going to be indulging in tabloid-style writing any time soon. Yours unapologetically.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Jun 18 - 10:39 AM

I liked shambles...


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Raedwulf
Date: 12 Jun 18 - 10:34 AM

Raedwulf, pretentiously referring to himself in the third person, is more than happy with censorship here remaining in the MudElf's hands... ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jun 18 - 10:32 AM

Raedwulf would prefer all censorship be in Jeff Session's hands or Brietbart editors. ;^/


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Raedwulf
Date: 12 Jun 18 - 10:15 AM

" If you can't control your impulse to push every hot button you know he possesses"

Acme - I think you're being unfair on Keith. He doesn't deliberately push anyone's buttons. He is simply is what he is, and what I think of him I've said directly to him here in public, but elsewhere. Mind you, the screaming hypocrisy of him jumping into the thread you opened, and therefore getting it closed has not escaped me - I'm no fan of the blithering idiot. But that's what he is - a blithering idiot, not a WUM (wind-up merchant, for anyone not au fait with internet acronyms). He doesn't set out to push anyone's buttons.

Jim - Censorship, which I somewhat circuitously gather is the issue here, is a thorny one. I've no idea how long you lurked before you joined, but there was a chap whose name only mentioned will cause the likes of Pore Ol' JoeO to wince (at least it's blessed memory, Joe!). I've even mentioned him to you in a PM - The Shambles, AKA Roger.

He effectively banned himself in Apr07 (your first official post is from Dec07), by demanding that he be left uncensored or his account suspended. You can guess what happened. In most ways, he was a perfectly nice inoffensive chap. But on the subject of censorship, he was a thundering thumping, down in the dumping (recognise the quote? ;-) ), monomaniacal, OCD, utterly obsessed bore. Oddly enough, what he usually got censored for was, I think, banging on about censorship...

I am not suggesting you are the same; far from it. I mention this only as a preamble to a simile I once used in argument against his tedious, tedious tub-thumping about censorship. It went something along these lines... A forum is a garden. It needs to be weeded from time to time. Careless weeding & pruning removes the good & valuable along with the weeds. But if you don't weed at all, the good growth is strangled & your garden is lost. If Shambles had been allowed to moderate, or we'd been moderated according to his diktat (& it was diktat), we'd have lost the garden, for sure. If I were to be more coarse, I might talk about kiddies sandpits & someone having to hoick out unwanted 'deposits'! ;-)

It is a given that some form of censorship must take place for Mudcat (or any other forum - I've been a forum owner, and a moderator as well). It isn't an easy job to do - little praise, much complaining! I've had my own issues with MC censorship (though, oddly enough, I don't think I've ever actually been censored here. Which is a bit of a surprise, given some of the things I've said!). But I've also defended them, as well. Apart from the fact that, bar JoeO (& self-admitted Acme), I've little idea who most of them are, and I think I've avoided having a personal beef with any of them. Therefore, I've avoided feeling I was being picked on as well. I'm not suggesting you feel that way; I'm only trying to make clear that, whatever occasional disagreements I might have, I think Mudcat is very fairly moderated, with a very wide degree of latitude allowed.

But the long & the short of it is that Mudcat is the gift of Max & Others to the rest of us. His sandpit, his playground, HIS rules. And that includes a certain amount of moderation, call it censorship if you prefer. That means accepting the mods decisions (at least publicly), which also means not repeating whatever it was you did. Which, I vaguely gather, you did, so my sympathies, so in the absence of better info, are more with the poor ol' mods! ;-)

Notwithstanding... I have had little direct interaction with you; a couple of PM's, a couple of thread responses, probably. But I would also be sorry to see you depart, Jim. A bit too strident & passionate below the (BS) line, maybe? Mea culpa. But that's part of life below the line! If it's only censorship that is the reason, you won't find anywhere on the 'net that moderates better. I know that you are reconsidering your earlier decision. I hope you reverse it, even if it means staying strictly above us 'ere reprobates down wot where we is! ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Acme
Date: 12 Jun 18 - 09:05 AM

Dyslexia, Steve, is a real thing. One helpful accommodation is to have smaller blocks of text. It has nothing to do with reading the tabloids. There's generally a correlation between higher intelligence and this learning disability, because in essence it's the brain working a bit differently than "normal." Those of you who have taught should have already figured this out yourselves.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Senoufou
Date: 12 Jun 18 - 08:41 AM

The Hairy Chested Frog Reel!! Hahahahaha!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Andrez
Date: 12 Jun 18 - 06:14 AM

I don't know where in the posts above or below the line the issue of Jim leaving was first raised or why but I really hope you stay on Mudcat Jim! Your folk knowledge and generosity knows no bounds and I am personally so grateful for the opportunity to hear the bits and pieces of your folk archive collection shared with me and others to date. Thank you so much once again.

Cheers,

Andrez


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jun 18 - 05:28 AM

"Hairy Chests"
Our late friend, fiddle player Bobby Casey, was once asked the title of one of his compositions
THIS WAS HIS REPLY
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jun 18 - 05:17 AM

I'd suggest that those people who can cope only with broken-up text have been reading too many tabloids. When it comes to deciding what I'm going to read here, a quick look at the author's name at the top of the post is often sufficient.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jun 18 - 05:03 AM

"Since Jim likes women with hairy chests,"
Used to Sen - I'm afraid I concur with Joe Heaney
As the older men around here say "It's all gone up into the head now"
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Senoufou
Date: 12 Jun 18 - 03:50 AM

Since Jim likes women with hairy chests, I might buy one of those kinky swimsuits that Dave the Gnome showed us on his link. My husband however would fall to the floor in a dead faint.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jun 18 - 03:41 AM

"a few line breaks."
I'm extremely grateful for being reminded of this - it has been commented on before
I usually write during breaks from something else - transcribing tapes, annotating songs, organising sound files.... we have just bequeathed our collection to Limerick University and don't want them to have to sort out the mess of forty-odd years work
My contributions tend to be a hurried knee-jerk reaction to something that has come up
To tell the truth, I'm never sure who reads what I write so quite often I write for myself - doesn't everybody do that to a degree ?
Must try harder

"Is Jim Carroll becoming a sex object?"
Not again, surely Joe !!!
Joe Heaney once told us during a conversation in a tatty Euston cafe after a night at the Singers Club "It takes me all night to do what I used to do all night"
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: BobL
Date: 12 Jun 18 - 03:20 AM

Am I alone in having the opposite problem? I find text almost impossible to follow if it's broken up by blank lines after every sentence.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Acme
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 10:55 PM

Let's put it this way - if Jim, knowing that people have trouble reading concentrated blocks of text, wants people to more closely read what he writes, he'll have the courtesy of inserting a few line breaks.

It's up to him. More air on the page, more readers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 08:44 PM

What's all this hairy chest stuff? Is Jim Carroll becoming a sex object?


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 06:56 PM

Try harder. It's the way our ideas flow, so live with it or just ignore. Copy and paste our dense efforts into another program and insert your own spaces. You won't do that, of course. We're not important enough.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Vashta Nerada
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 05:06 PM

These dyslexic eyes find that solid block of text almost impossible to read.

My two cents.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 04:55 PM

Alleluia!


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Senoufou
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 04:48 PM

I rather like people's individual styles of posting. I don't feel there should be one standard format.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 04:33 PM

Susan, please don't castigate people who post without paragraph breaks, etc. Just read what they've said, or ignore it if you prefer. There are no rules, seriously. I'm biased, of course, as continuous prose is also my style. I'm fed up of people nitpicking about my style of posting and I think that such silliness gets us nowhere at all. End, mercifully, of short, paragraph-innocent rant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: MikeL2
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 02:40 PM

Hi Will

That is also my view. But you put it better than I would.

cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Will Fly
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 12:27 PM

A break from the Mudcat BS section is always a good idea. I post down here only occasionally, and then on what I hope are non-contentious threads - because I get fed up with the constant bickering, name-calling and general bullshit.

However I might appear on here, I also have very strong social and political views - not necessarily always pro-right or pro-left. But I prefer to keep them to myself rather than air them on a forum where people constantly argue from fixed positions which never, ever change, revert to insult rather than reason, and get sucked into acrimony at the drop of a post.

The reason to be part of Mudcat - for me - is for its huge fund of marvellous musical knowledge. And that's well above the line.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 12:23 PM

How's about these then?

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 11:27 AM

"where's that hairy chested woman I left on the boil"

now that should have been a 1940s western swing chart hit...


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 08:51 AM

Sorry people - just plunged into the deep-end on another thread - I'll lie awake worrying about principles for a couple of nights
Many thanks to you all - now where's that hairy chested woman I left on the boil !
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 08:51 AM

What has been happening on this forum?


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Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: wysiwyg
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 08:39 AM

As one who has left many times (loudly or quietly at different times), my advice would be to just let the man have his break without all this fuss. The operative word there being BREAK, which reminds me that perhaps during said hiatus he can cultivate the all-important *paragraph break*. Line after line of text without white space between short paragraphs can come across as close-minded ranting (the same way all caps can make people feel shouted at). In today's pace of communication, most of us handle paragraphs of 2-3 sentences better than a page of Eben the most cogent thinking. Just to illustrate I'll say it again, adding that white space.
.
.

As one who has left many times (loudly or quietly at different times), my advice would be to just let the man have his break without all this fuss.

The operative word there being BREAK, which reminds me that perhaps during said hiatus he can cultivate the all-important *paragraph break.* Line after line of text without white space between short paragraphs can come across as closed-minded ranting (the same way all caps can make people feel shouted at).

In today's pace of communication, most of us handle paragraphs of 2-3 sentences better than a page of even the most cogent thinking.

When using a typewriter or word processor for printed matter (just as with newspapers/magazines), indenting a new 'graph without an added blank line saves paper/filing space. But on-screen, it's very hard to read!

~S~


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