BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain

Subject: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 17 Jun 18 - 07:24 AM

We have been informed by our local branch of the taliban - ie labour council, that each household will be required to have 3 wheelie bins from September. Quite where one is supposed to keep them I do not know?????

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Will Fly
Date: 17 Jun 18 - 07:38 AM

We've had 'em for years - one for garden waste, one for paper and plastic, and one for kitchen waste. We have a passage down the side of our house to the back garden, so the blue plastic/paper bin and the green kitchen waste bin sit in the back near the gate, and the brown garden waste bin sits in the front, by the garage. The garden rubbish collection costs us £40 a year from West Sussex - but easier than having to cart it to the tip once a fortnight in summer months.

I do support the idea of proper re-cycling of waste, but photographing streets and houses in the village is not as easy as it used to be, with ubiquitous bins everywhere. Not everyone has easily reachable space in the back to stash them.

Mind you, was it any better when we all had tin dustbins? It's so long ago, I can't remember!

Anyone remember the London dustmen's strike in the 1970s? We thought the place would never get back to normal.

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Will Fly
Date: 17 Jun 18 - 07:43 AM

Actually, it's not West Sussex, it's Horsham District Council - a bastion of Tory councillors! Recycling is actually apolitical...

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Jun 18 - 07:51 AM

We've had three for years - similar to Will's. The green garden waste one is in the back garden, the black kitchen waste and blue recycling ones are in the garage (out of sight, and keeps flies away).

They are ugly - I get seriously pissed-off with the numerous locals who leave them out at the fronts of their houses permanently - but they fulfill an important function very well.

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 17 Jun 18 - 08:07 AM

I am all for recycling, but our black wheelie bins are very ugly and difficult to lift up steps to the street. My disabled wife is on the case!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Will Fly
Date: 17 Jun 18 - 08:27 AM

Our council provides a service for disabled and elderly people who can't shift their bins themselves. Certainly worth being on the case.

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Jun 18 - 08:32 AM

Ours too.

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Jun 18 - 08:41 AM

No good being sensible as far as the Labour party, Moslems, anyone who is different and Bonzo go chaps. It's deceased equine flagellation.

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Jack Campin
Date: 17 Jun 18 - 01:37 PM

We've had four for many years (rubbish, recyclables, compostables, food waste).

I thought the standard approach in Croydon was just to throw it all into a skip or broken-down white van and set fire to it?

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: fat B****rd
Date: 17 Jun 18 - 02:18 PM

I have 4 bins (buckets in Dunermline)Household waste, tins and plastics, paper and cardboard,garden and food waste. Works for me but there are still some scruffy and irresponsible t***s who can't be bothered to use the right bin.

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 17 Jun 18 - 03:58 PM

We have no bin collection from our house.

We have to take our rubbish and recycling(sacks are provided) down the lane 1/2 mile to the communal skips.
We have cardboard and paper in one bin; glass, tins and hard plastic in another and everything else as general waste.
We compost out own green waste(with some soft cardboard added) and have horse manure delivered over the fence from the neighbouring farmer!

This what comes from living up a road that has not been adopted by the council.

Robin

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Senoufou
Date: 17 Jun 18 - 04:13 PM

Bonzo, I wonder if your local council has the option of much smaller wheelie bins? Ours does (Breckland) and the older folk/disabled people find them easier to manoeuvre. The bins are not smaller in height, but rather thinner.
Of course, it depends if you both produce much recycling waste, and if it would all fit in the smaller wheelie bin.

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 17 Jun 18 - 04:22 PM

Senoufou, my wife tells me that we are having a visit from a council representative (when I am at work!) who will see the problem for himself, and hopefully find a workaround.

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Jun 18 - 04:34 PM

If your wife is disabled, Bonz, WTF are you doing leaving it to her to deal with the bins? I take our bins out and bring them back in, even though my wife is able-bodied. I regard it as a 'man's job' - maybe old-fashioned, but hey-ho!

It's not rocket-science, is it?

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 03:43 AM

No Backwoodsman, my wife deals with the admin side of things and knows the right people to speak to in the Council Offices, after all - she's a "Northlands Girl" (Buenos Aires!)

I'm a mere working/fetch & carry boy!!

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Senoufou
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 03:51 AM

My good husband puts out all the wheelie bins on the correct days, and brings them back in after they've been emptied. He rinses them out, wipes them down and generally does a perfect job.
He absolutely loves doing it.

He thinks our waste disposal systems here in the UK are brilliant. His home in Adjame, Abidjan has no rubbish removals at all. Piles of stinking detritus everywhere, rats and flies all over the place and homeless dogs rooting through it. Filthy.

We're so fortunate here in the 'First World' aren't we?

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 04:09 AM

We have had wheelie bins for all the twenty years we've lived here and are delighted to have the opportunity of disposing of our waste responsibly (it used to be a real problem in rural Ireland)

We have three bins, two large for general waste and recyclables, and a smaller one for food waste.
The only problem we have is having to place a stone on the top of each in the winter because of the fierce coastal winds
Our local garage sets aside a space for a bottle bank and a Charity used clothes container and the local GAA (sports organisation) organises regular fundraising used clothes sales
I confess, we don't have the urban problem of multi-storey dwellings and we do live in a caring community where people will make sure elderly or disabled people aren't left to struggle on their own

"I'm a mere working/fetch & carry boy!!"
Why not fetch and carry the bins?
I'm sorry, but not surprised that you use this important subject to take a poke at Labour, that seems to be what you do.
I hesitate to suggest that you all come and live in the countryside because some of you might!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 07:39 AM

OK we currently have a large size wheelie bin for general waste, 2 boxes for plastic, bottles and cans, and 2 boxes for paper and cardboard and a smaller food waste container. The 2 types of boxes will each be replaced by 1 wheelie bin, which cannot be stored in front of our house because they would need to be lifted up and down steep steps to and from street level on collection days which I cannot do unless I want a course of treatment from our osteopath every time.

We have room for just one wheelie bin at the back of our garage at the top of steep steps down to our back garden, which I can squeeze by, and my wife has difficulty, so storage of any further wheelie bins there is out of the question.

We live on the North Downs so from street level to the botton of our garden is a drop of some 30 feet.

My wife will argue for retention of our existing colection arrangements.

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 07:46 AM

So, if I read your OP correctly, you blame the Labour Party for your choice of accommodation which is completely unsuitable for your disabled wife, because she can't drag your bins up and down the steep and numerous steps on your property?

Words like 'cock' and 'womble' spring to mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Iains
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 08:29 AM

By 2020 according to EU directives the UK should recycle 50% of domestic waste. The target has almost been reached.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/444744/household-recycling-rate-uk/

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 08:35 AM

On who’sjob. That one used to (usually) be dad’s job here until his last fall and other problems last year. Now it’s on my little computer list of tasks I might forget to do. I enter the calender for collection dates the council give each year. I’ll get a reminder tomorrow to take the green bin out.

There are 3 bins for waste outside here. Green – recycling, Grey – general waste, Orange – medical waste. Only the first two are council wheelie bins. They just supply orange bags for the medical waste (which is own collection day and the service is operated by the local pet crematorium!) but we bought a small orange dustbin to keep a sack in. Newspapers go in clear bags which are put out with the green bin on its collection day.

I do see brown wheelie bins round here which I assume is .garden waste but we either compost or bonfire.

Putting the wheelie bins out here is a bit odd with the edge of the property rule. Ours go out not that    far from where the neighbour parks his bins. His have to go out a further 20yds onto the roadside.

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Iains
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 10:20 AM

"garden waste but we either compost or bonfire."

In county Cork you cannot burn garden waste in the yard or garden on a bonfire.

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: theleveller
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 11:25 AM

When I read the title I thought they were going to recycle Croydon. That's something that's been long overdue.

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 11:28 AM

"In county Cork you cannot burn garden waste in the yard or garden on a bonfire."
You can't anywhere i Ireland during the nesting season
"recycle Croydon"
Nah - you can't recycle crap
May as well try to recycle Birmingham!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 11:43 AM

Or even Liverpool!

I'll get me coat.....

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Senoufou
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 12:46 PM

We have three:

green - landfill waste
black - recycling (plastic, paper, cardboard and glass)
brown - garden waste (costs us £48 a year, but worth it)

We have a tidy little spot by the kitchen door, against the garden wall, so they're out of sight but accessible.

My husband rinses each one out and wipes it over after collection.

I bought three stickers online with a large number and the street name so we always get our bin back and not someone else's smelly thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Iains
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 01:52 PM

"You can't anywhere i Ireland during the nesting season"

Garden waste is such things as cut grass and prunings. It does seem rather ridiculous to ban a garden bonfire when you can keep a BBQ running 24/7
The regulations concerning the closed season of the 1st of March to 31st of August refer to burning open moorland and verge cutting, although on road safety grounds any verge cutting or pruning is allowable. In the UK burning is allowed from 1 October to 15 April in severely disadvantaged areas and 1 November to 31 March in other areas. In Scotland burning is allowed from 1st October to 15th April inclusive. In Ireland moorland vegetation is frequently too wet to burn in the time frame allowed.
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The discussion on the desirability of burning upland areas regularly is ongoing, with valid arguments from both sides. If the grazing is neglected the sheep will not thrive, If the gorse and heather is uncontrolled the nutritional value diminishes as the stems get older and hence woodier. This impacts wildlife as well as sheep. If regeneration by controlled grazing and burning is neglected the traditional moorland would be no more and eventually revert to forest on the thicker soils and scrub on the poorer soils. The uplands would be totally transformed to something approximating Killarney woods, Wistmans wood and the remnant Caledonian forest. In the early years of neglect such reversion to climax vegetation would pose a considerable fire hazard, especially around stands of mature gorse.
Even today burning areas that are "mature" poses risks of getting out of control. e.g.https://www.irishnews.com/news/2017/04/25/news/raging-gorse-fire-in-scenic-gougane-barra-valley-in-co-cork-leaves-black-landscap

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 02:28 PM

No specific ban on bonfires in the UK but you could get into trouble, eg. by being a nuisance to a neighbour, smoke interfering with road traffic and burning plastics.

I did have a neighbour ask me to dampen one last year but that's very unusual (probably the only time in towards 20 years) and was caused by a strange change in wind direction and me not noticing what was happening. It's about 50m from where I was burning to their house and the smoke went low and in towards them.

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Senoufou
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 02:51 PM

Most houses in our village have an oil tank containing 1000L of kerosene, so bonfires are a huge hazard. That's how the house across the road burnt down - a bonfire next door had ignited the wooden shed and exploded the oil tank.
Wheelie bins are safer (and less polluting of washing and sending smoke through open windows etc)

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: wysiwyg
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 06:11 PM

How WOULD one recycle a Croydon?

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Will Fly
Date: 19 Jun 18 - 03:08 AM

Two good things about Croydon - the tramway system and the Fairfield Hall.

I've seen somecexcellent concerts at the Hall over the years - Dick Sudhalter's tribute to the Paul Whiteman Orchestra with the original scores, South Side Johnny & the Asbury Dukes, Michael MacDonald. A good venue.

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Iains
Date: 19 Jun 18 - 03:09 AM

They recycled the airport by building all over it.

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Jun 18 - 08:45 AM

"The regulations concerning the closed season of the 1st of March to 31st of August refer to burning open moorland and verge cutting,"
If you're referring to Ireland, no it does not; it applies to all Ireland, at least in Clare - we've gone into this pretty thoroughly
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Iains
Date: 19 Jun 18 - 09:24 AM

"If you're referring to Ireland, no it does not; it applies to all Ireland, at least in Clare"

More frothing nonsense off jimmy! It applies to Clare, it applies to Ireland, it does not apply to Ireland. Try to make up your mind!


https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/major-progress-on-heritage-bill-welcomed/

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 23 Jun 18 - 06:00 PM

When people stick\paint house number on their bins why do they invariably choose the one side which gets bashed by the lifting gear and that, without a bit of effort, the binny doesn't really see?

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Senoufou
Date: 23 Jun 18 - 06:18 PM

We stuck our house number and street on the side opposite the handle Freddy. There doesn't appear to be any damage to the stickers on any of the three bins.
I like your word 'binny'. My husband calls them 'Les Ramasseurs'!

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Jack Campin
Date: 23 Jun 18 - 06:22 PM

The only person who needs to see the number is the bin's owner, surely? Ours are numbered (all 4 sides) simply to ensure we get the same one back after it's been emptied.

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Senoufou
Date: 23 Jun 18 - 06:47 PM

Our little road has a close leading off it. Our house is on the junction and 'les ramasseurs' sometimes leave bins in any old spot. We keep our bins very clean, and we don't want someone's stinky bin returned to our house. Having our house number and street clearly printed means we always get our own bin back.

We always give the men a Christmas Box (tip) and some cans of beer, and in the summer ice-cold cans of Coke/Fanta if there's a heatwave. Also if I've been baking they get a few treats as well (buns, cakes, mince pies etc).
They're very helpful if we have something a bit large. They once cheerfully took an old ironing board away for us. Really nice blokes.

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 23 Jun 18 - 07:14 PM

I've rarely lived anywhere with a number. Current place in Norfolk is a small wood if you can get that to one Welsh word.

Same here with the bins, post, papers and maybe others.It's my parents long time way that you always give something for Christmas.

Probably the only other give away is plants. I usually grow more tomatoes, cucumber, etc. than I need and someone like a nurse doing the patch on my back is always welcome to take a couple.

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jun 18 - 02:44 AM

"More frothing nonsense off jimmy!"
Will you please stop nausing up this thread - there really is no need to your childish behaviour
I have no idea where you live as you prefer not to disclose that fact, but you most certainly do not live in rural Ireland
Jim Carroll

This is the national legal position of burning rubbish in Ireland

Can I burn anything?

There is an exception for burning of green waste, for uncontaminated wood, trees, tree trimmings, leaves, brush or other similar waste arising from agricultural practices, providing it is the last resort.

All other more environmentally friendly forms of waste disposal such as reusing, recycling or fuel salvation must be investigated and attempted if possible.

This exemption only applies until January 1, 2018, after which time all burning will be disallowed, unless an application is made for a certificate of registration under the waste management (facility permit and registration) regulations.

Hedge cutting within the periods allowed is the preferred method which should be undertaken as an annual farm management task.

It is important to stay within the guidelines if considering hedge-cutting.

Since 2011, there has been nearly 40 prosecutions for illegal hedge-cuttings.

Such a prosecution may result in an unnecessary fine which could be avoided by following the guidelines correctly.

The period where hedge-cutting is not allowed is March 1 to August 31.

There is also the possibility of prescribed or controlled burning as a method of gorse management.

The season for burning of gorse is September 1 to the last day of February, and again, all other possible methods of land management should be explored; burning should be used as a last resort.

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jun 18 - 02:46 AM

SORRY - SHOULD HAVE SUPPLIED LINK
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 24 Jun 18 - 03:47 AM

Councillor in charge visited on Friday and agreed that properties in our street are not appropriate to change existing recycling boxes to wheelie bins. Thank goodness for that!!

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Senoufou
Date: 24 Jun 18 - 03:59 AM

Ah that's great news Bonzo! You must both be very relieved.

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Iains
Date: 24 Jun 18 - 05:15 AM

For Jimmy.The link below is actually for County Clare. It is always more beneficial to quote from the original source. Although much of the content derives from EU habitat directives, and subsequent EU legislation, especially as many upland areas are Natura 2000 sites and subject to additional control by the National Parks and Wildlife Service.
https://www.clarecoco.ie/water-waste-environment/enforcement/burning/#temp
Why keep repeating what I have already said? Do you not think I verify my information before posting?
but you most certainly do not live in rural Ireland
I purchased my first Irish farm in the early 90's in Kerry.

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jun 18 - 10:19 AM

"For Jimmy"
Please don't try to talk down to me - I anser to Jim or Jim Carroll on this site
Your link is to "agricultural use - not domestic disposal of garden rubbish
Our disagreement went like this
I wrote
"You can't anywhere in Ireland during the nesting season"
You replied
""The regulations concerning the closed season of the 1st of March to 31st of August refer to burning open moorland and verge cutting,"

In fact, you cannot burn garden rubbish anywhere in rural Ireland between the beginning of March to the end of August - as I said, as my link said - in fact, as your own link said.
I suggest you read your own links, never mind verifying them.
If you can't post without being abusive, don't post
Discussion over.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 24 Jun 18 - 10:31 AM

Yes we are Senoufou, the Council guys said that it will probably also apply to all other houses on our estate, so as not to confuse the recycling contractors!

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Iains
Date: 24 Jun 18 - 11:12 AM

What a tiresome fellow you are jimmy. I originally said you cannot burn garden waste in Cork(in fact you cannot in Ireland. Period! No time windows. It is not allowed. ref.http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/
You stated In fact, you cannot burn garden rubbish anywhere in rural Ireland between the beginning of March to the end of August - as I said, as my link said - in fact, as your own link said.
Wrong as usual. As I keep saying to you I check my facts. You just troll along, stalking me and merely betray your own abject ignorance of the subject.
If you wish to study chapter and verse:
From citizens information website
"It is illegal to burn household or garden waste at home or in your garden. Burning waste can be a nuisance to neighbours and can also pollute the air by releasing harmful chemicals into it."

"Burning waste is an offence under waste management legislation and the Air Pollution Act 1987. The Waste Management (Prohibition of Waste Disposal by Burning) Regulations 2009 strengthen the law against waste disposal by uncontrolled burning, which is also known as backyard burning.

"Under Regulation 5, there is a limited exemption for the burning of uncontaminated waste generated by agricultural practices. Under the Waste Management (Prohibition of Waste Disposal by Burning) (Amendment) Regulations 2015, this exemption will cease on 1 January 2018." For clarity waste means living material material previously cut within the time period allowed.(sept thru feb)
Further to this the burning of "moorland" is being subjected to increasing control as time passes, with permissions having to be obtained and due notice given.
Now I suggest if you wish to reply you spend a few minutes reading what I have said. Householders cannot have bonfires of garden waste.
Farmers can burn uncontaminated green waste if all other avenues of disposal are exhausted and the permissions are sought. Living vegetation is subject to the wildlife act of 1976.
Now read, assimilate and digest and stop arguing. You are merely making a fool of yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 27 Jun 18 - 02:40 AM

People are already complaining about new recycling plans inflicted by Croydon Council without any consultation whatsoever.

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Mr Red
Date: 27 Jun 18 - 03:29 AM

Quite where one is supposed to keep them I do not know?????
If you have good relations with neighbours, share!

I have the room for four bins, only need 3 and the food is a small one anyway. General waste every 2 weeks and that can wait for at least 3 cycles. Re-cycling alt weeks and that barely fills 10% of the bin. But they are ugly in my front weed patch.

Food - they entreat us to use plastic bags to keep the bin clean and thus emptied properly. If we don't get plastic bags and are trying to avoid getting, where should they come from**? I say paper bags (local Coop has switched already!) and newspaper - it is compostable eventually, unlike plastic.

** all those charity used clothing bags? - I have more of them. Still prefer paper.

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Senoufou
Date: 27 Jun 18 - 04:08 AM

We use folded newspapers at the bottom of our recycling bin, because no matter how one tries to empty milk cartons, bottles etc they always seem to dribble a few drops in the bottom of the wheelie bin and make it smell. The newspaper absorbs it nicely and is acceptable to the recycling team. (They don't allow plastic sacks as liners)

I also use newspaper under the cats' litter tray.
Those who vote Labour will be pleased to know it's the Daily Mail. I expect you're thinking the bin and the litter tray are all it's fit for! :)

We use giant plastic wheelie bin sacks for the landfill bin.
All our bins are rinsed out after emptying, and I feel very smug about their cleanliness. Can't bear smells, especially in the hot weather.

Subject: RE: BS: Croydon recycling will be a pain
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 27 Jun 18 - 08:28 AM

Sharing is not an option, anyway we will most probably retain boxes + 1 wheelie bin.