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Subject: BS: Donald's New Irish Wall - in the sea
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 09:27 AM

Trump has just announced that he wants to build a wall in the sea
Perhaps he's worried about Aran Islanders swimming in and taking our jobs and houses!
Can't wait for that to hit the fan
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's Nwe Wall - in the sea
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 10:34 AM

Is this new news? Or does it relate to his wishes to build a 'sea wall' at his Doonbeg Golf Links?
Links here: Trump Sea Wall


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's Nwe Wall - in the sea
From: Kenny B
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 11:00 AM

The rumour that I am just starting is that he is going to sit in front of and command the waves to go back just like the King of the same ilk …. depending on how yous spell his name ….anagrammatically speaking


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's Nwe Wall - in the sea
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 11:23 AM

"Or does it relate to his wishes to build a 'sea wall' at his Doonbeg Golf Links?"
New news - this is a wall rather than a line of rocks from the news reports today
There has been a running battle between the owners of the club (established originally by Greg Norman) and local protesters since the very beginning (originally the intention was to make the shoreline for the exclusive use of golfers and hotel residents)
The preservation of a rare breed of snails nipped that in the buf
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's Nwe Wall - in the sea
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 11:29 AM

Who was the King who ordered the waves to reverse?


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's Nwe Wall - in the sea
From: Iains
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 11:33 AM

His name was Democrat wasn't it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's Nwe Wall - in the sea
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 11:57 AM

Can't the rest of the world just club together to build a wall around the whole of USA (plus separate walls for Hawaii and Alaska of course) to keep Trump out of the rest of the planet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's Nwe Wall - in the sea
From: Senoufou
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 12:20 PM

Donuel, I believe it was Canute. But he did it not to show off, but to demonstrate that he had no powers over the elements, and that only God could control the sea. He's often misrepresented in that story.

Couldn't they just build a wall around Trump himself?

Has anyone seen the giant 'Trump Baby' inflatable balloon which people are saying will float overhead in London during his visit, as a protest?
I think it's a spoof, but they're saying permission has been granted.
Do you suppose it's true?


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's Nwe Wall - in the sea
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 02:41 PM

"Do you suppose it's true?"
I DO HOPE SO
I do hope so, and I hope they feed it lots and lots of laxatives and forget to put the nappy on
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's Nwe Wall - in the sea
From: Senoufou
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 02:48 PM

I've seen pictures of it, and he's holding a dear little mobile phone in his tiny baby hands. I expect that's for him to tweet on.
People are now saying it's impolite and an insult to lampoon a Head of State who is visiting us. Part of me agrees, but it is really funny, and a peaceful way to demonstrate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's Nwe Wall - in the sea
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 09:30 PM

" Part of me agrees,"
Doesn't count when it' an arsehole of State Sen
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's Nwe Wall - in the sea
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 09:30 PM

" Part of me agrees,"
Doesn't count when it' an arsehole of State Sen
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Senoufou
Date: 07 Jul 18 - 04:09 AM

Very true Jim. But we haven't had a Rude Balloon for some of the other Arseholes of State we've entertained.
I think there should be a balloon for all of them; it would provide a lot of fun!


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Jul 18 - 04:29 AM

I can remember with great pleasure the reception the Greek Royal couple got when they visited Britain at the time of the military coup
Lat's face it - Trump's stupid enough to interpret the floating babby as part of the welcoming ceremony
I can't understand for the life of me why he's allowed into Britain (or anywhere) with his dangerous 'Doctor Strangelove' approach to politics
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Senoufou
Date: 07 Jul 18 - 04:38 AM

I'd never thought of that - that he'd be rather flattered and love the attention. He seems to me to be a typical narcissist. In which case, completely ignoring him and having a very low-key visit would really get up his nose!


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jul 18 - 05:06 PM

We drove past Knutsford twice today. He may not have turned the sea back but he is well remembered for taming a river :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 02:20 AM

"We drove past Knutsford twice today"
Great decision Dave!
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Senoufou
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 03:20 AM

They're now talking of putting up a balloon of Sadiq Kahn. The sky above London will be filled with blooming caricature balloons at this rate!

I want one of me floating above our village (crumpet in hand of course)


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Iains
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 03:39 AM

Anyone investing in any kind of shoreline infrastructure will take steps to protect their investment. Warmer temperatures = more energy in the atmosphere = more storm severity/possibly frequency. You can be certain any insurance company would determine their exposure to risk on the basis of such protective works as may be proposed or in place.
The only exceptions in the UK seem to be nuclear power stations. Their protection against storm surge or tsunami is minimal.(there are/were two on the River Severn and one on the estuary. It has one of the highest tidal ranges in the world and a recorded surge in excess of 3.5m and previous history, The great storm of 1703)


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 03:58 AM

"Anyone investing in any kind of shoreline infrastructure will take steps to protect their investment. "
In Trump's Hotel's case, at the cost of local farms which will be affected by a tide that has nowhere else to go
Since when did "investment" take precedence over the rights of local people (other than in your "me, me, me" world)
Trump's interest is making money from wealthy golfers - fuck those who get in his way
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Iains
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 04:39 AM

"In Trump's Hotel's case, at the cost of local farms which will be affected by a tide that has nowhere else to go"
RUBBISH!

Not every local is against the idea. Anyway dunes are a dynamic feature of landscape. The changes over time may be positive or negative and severe storms can totally revamp them.

http://clarechampion.ie/doughmore-group-wants-jobs-protected/


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Iains
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 04:49 AM

The Farmers view:

DONALD Trump may be a divisive figure but efforts must be made to protect the dunes of Doonbeg, while nearby farmlands remain “under threat” from flooding.

William Hanrahan, IFA county chairman, told the monthly meeting of Clare County Council that flood protection is a major issue for the county, with the IFA “intensively” lobbying the OPW and government departments for funding to complete outstanding works.

“In some areas, planning permission is required and IFA would urge Clare County Council to wholeheartedly support these projects, whether it is on the banks of the Shannon or the Atlantic coast,” he said.
He recalled that after the major storms of 2014, “vast areas of farmland were covered with water”.

“If they are covered for some time, the whole area turns black and production is non-existent.”
Mr Hanrahan said that the land at the back of the dunes at the Trump International Golf Links and Hotel Ireland in Doonbeg is “vulnerable”.

“It’s over sea level and if the dunes breach, they will be under threat.”
He said that opinions on Trump need to be “left to the side” and that efforts need to be made to protect local communities."


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 04:50 AM

"RUBBISH!"
The English telling the Irish what's best for them again
Nothing new under the sun
Some locals are supporting Trump because his hotel brings a few jobs
So we (I live here) accept the flooding of farmland for a few lowly-paid hospitality industry places
Your arrogance is breathtaking
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 04:51 AM

Nothing new there either


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Iains
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 05:01 AM

Your arrogance is breathtaking. And you jimmie are a fool!

I suppose one day you will shock us all by demonstrating you have a slight knowledge of what you are talking about. So far on this thread all you have demonstrated is a hatred oF Trump and a total lack of knowledge of coastal erosion.
Your ignorance is no excuse for your continual insults. Try reading the links and go find someone to explain it all to you.

https://coastal.er.usgs.gov/hurricanes/coastal-change/index.php


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Kenny B
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 05:08 AM

Jim

You have given us a perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black
Isnt Jim Carroll English by birth?

"From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 04:50 AM

"RUBBISH!"
The English telling the Irish what's best for them again"


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Iains
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 05:10 AM

Trump's scheme is one of many in response to ongoing coastal erosion and flooding events.

From the office of public works:
https://www.opw.ie/en/flood-risk-management/floodanderosionmapping/icpss/

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/new-1-billion-flood-risk-management-plan-will-fund-118-flood-relief-schemes-1.348315


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 09:06 AM

"Trump's scheme is one of many in response to ongoing coastal erosion and flooding events. "
No it is not
It is specifically aimed at protecting his hotel
Your links are to old information - Trump's shit hit the fan in the last couple of weeks
This becomes tiresome

"Isnt Jim Carroll English by birth?"
My family are of Irish descent - they were driven out of Ireland by English landlords who were happy to see them starve to death 'Famine refugees'
Beside the point - I have been a frequent visitor lived here for nearly fifty years and am now living within a twenty minute drive from this hotel, and have been doing so for 20 years
I thought we'd got rid of the English absentee landlords at theb beginning of the lst century


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 09:43 AM

It is specifically aimed at protecting his hotel

at the cost of local farms which will be affected by a tide that has nowhere else to go

Protecting the hotel will not make the tide higher everywhere else!


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: MMario
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 10:14 AM

Technically true, Keith; but it WILL make changes, probably leading to erosion and most likely it WILL cause flooding to other properties even though the actual tide will not be higher.


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Vashta Nerada
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 11:18 AM

The physics of water moving sand is complicated, but if Trump can steal the sand from his neighbors to "protect" his investment, he will. And if he can give himself more than his fair share, he'll do that also.


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 11:59 AM

Hi MMario. Long time no see. Very sensible comments from both you and Vashta. Thanks both. Very good interview in the Guardian the other day with Madeleine Albright. She has lots to say about Trump in her new book "Fascism: A warning". None of it good.


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Iains
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 02:39 PM

"Trump's shit hit the fan in the last couple of weeks"

Would   you care to share the links with us, or is it made up?


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 03:52 PM

Look it up for yourself Iains - it made our national papers at the beginning of last week - it's been a running sore in our local paper for months
In contrast, your links are concerning actions that were being taken nearly twenty years ago

"Protecting the hotel will not make the tide higher everywhere else!"
It's nor am matter of a "higher tide Keith it is deflected wave power breaking down an unstable coastline

Not the Little British Trumpeters are all lining up to explain to the Irish that they have no idea how to run their own country
If Keith and Iains are here, can a gunboat be far behind!!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Iains
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 05:19 PM

Not the Little British Trumpeters are all lining up to explain to the Irish that they have no idea how to run their own country
If Keith and Iains are here, can a gunboat be far behind!!!


Emotion bringing stupidity to the fore, as per usual. I suppose one day you might fire up half a braincell before you post such rubbish.

By the way it was RPS commissioned by the OPW to carry out the Irish Coastal Protection Strategy Study of 2010. RPS a British multinational energy resources and environmental consultancy company headquartered in Abingdon, Oxfordshire.

Makes rather a nonsense of your statement above does it not? All countries bring in foreign expertise when required. That has kept me employed in foreign climes the best part of my life. 40 countries on five continents.


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 07:38 PM

The cotstal project becan in 2002 - Trump's wall has sfa to do with it
Can you actually provide information that links this dispute with that project - of course you can't
Greg Norman tried unsuccessfully to privatise part of the Irish coastline when he built his club - Trump's war is a continuation of that
If this was part of the cosatall project it would be The Coastal Authorities who would be paying for the wall and it would be them that would have been in court fighting for the right to build the wall
You have already admitted this when you wrote "Anyone investing in any kind of shoreline infrastructure will take steps to protect their investment."
It's moved from "protecting one's investment" to "protecting the environment" in one giant leap
Trump protecting the environment - are you insane!!
Joined-up-thinking is really beyond your job description, isn't it?

As I said - this has been happening for nearly two decades ON OUR DOORSTEP
Little Englanders seem totally incapable of learning from history

Both you and the Mudcat Mugwump have told be I have no right to comment on English politics because I no longer live in Britain, yet here you are pontificating about something that has been part of our local life twenty minutes from our home
What are you people on?

Keith lays the law down about tidal features - I live a mile from the Atlantic - Acheson lives in the centre of a landlocked county
Jay-sus
And to think this is all in support of the profiteering bullying of a multi billionaire, extremely dangerous political thug
And your friend describes himself as a 'moderate'
God save the world from such moderation
I trust you will be on hand to lay out the red carpet and lick the Pres's bum later this month
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 03:48 AM

These two items fully confirm that Iaian's knee jerk defence of Trump's "right to protect his investment" was the real reason and his u-turn 20 year old "protect the environment" came when h realised the first one didn't stand up to scrutiny
COUNCIL BACKS TRUMP ON 'MORE JOBS' GROUNDS
ERIC THE TRUMPETER
Trump's wall is intended for the benefit of wealthy visitors to an extremely exclusive golf club
That will be to the detriment of other less-well-off visitors who have been visiting Clare in increasing numbers for ANOTHER REASON
Clare is somewhat reliant on visitors - the many who come for our music and our hospitality and stay in the reasonably-priced accommodation on offer - not the few who come to play golf and then closet themselves in an extremely expensive hotel out of reach of most people
They can get that in Miami
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 04:02 AM

Jim, my seafaring family comes from and still lives in Cornwall and you have shown your ignorance already.
It's nor am matter of a "higher tide Keith it is deflected wave power breaking down an unstable coastline

Wave power does erode coastlines. "Deflected" waves do not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 04:29 AM

This isn't even a national matter here - it's a case of the well-being of the people versus "protecting the financial investments" of Donald the Dump as Iains pointed out it ine first place
Go away and stop your thread blocking - both of you
You have both made your interest in Ireland abnd it's people crystal clear on far too many occasions
Your favourite bog-trotter
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 04:51 AM

The plan has been approved by the local council. No-one has appealed it.

The beach itself may be affected but nothing beyond that.

These comments are on the stated subject of this thread Jim. What is your objection?


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Iains
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 08:53 AM

Jim's objection is the fact you dare to disagree with him. As you have no doubt noticed he cannot handle such a fact, hence the emotive bullshit he utters.
By the way Jim the most recent ref to Trumps seawall that I can find is february this year. I have asked you several times for up to date links. Are you sure they exist? Your reticence suggests they are a figment of your imagination. Prove me wrong!


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 09:02 AM

"Jim's objection is the fact you dare to disagree with him."
Just the opposite Ians - mu bojections are that you have both come with half-arsed arguments, largely 20 years out of day, on a subject you have no knowledge off whatever - all in defence of a semi-insane U.S. President
You were right first time when you said it was about "protecting investments"
From the mouths of babes and suckers!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 09:44 AM

A 250m sea wall inland of a beach is not an environmental issue.
That is why it has been passed by the local council with no appeals.
There is much to criticise this president about, but here you are just trying to politicise a non-issue.


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Iains
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 04:28 PM

" half-arsed arguments, largely 20 years out of day, on a subject you have no knowledge off whatever"

Actually if you bothered to follow the links I supplied you would find that the OPW, following EU directives, has recently published a report(2018)Flood Risk Management Plan for the Shannon Estuary North & Mal Bay River Basin (UOM27-28) Not 20 years old at all.

Furthermore:
"he primary objective of Government policy on coastal protection is to ensure that in areas identified as being at greatest risk of damage or loss of economic assets through coastal erosion or flooding, appropriate and sustainable measures are identified by Local Authorities to protect those assets. Where such measures are economically justified on cost benefit grounds and compatible with all required environmental and other statutory requirements, they are implemented subject to the availability of resources.

The Office of Public Works (OPW) has undertaken a national assessment of coastal erosion (including erosion rates) under the Irish Coastal Protection Strategy Study (ICPSS) and the results of this study have been published on the OPW website. The relevant reports and associated predictive erosion hazard mapping (to 2050) may be viewed at www.opw.ie.

If you claim I know nothing it is strange that I obtained my chartered geologist status while working on shoreline stability studies in Kent. Others presumably thought otherwise doncha think?


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 08:55 PM

Trumps wall is - as you said - motivated by business interests
If you read your own postings you would be a=ware that you have already established that
I suggest you confine yourself to the little you appear to know rather than dredging bits from the net that have nothing to do with anything other than protecting an icon of the right
YOU MIGHT FIND A LITTLE COMFORT HERE


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Iains
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 05:11 AM

As you are being particularly obtuse this morning I will spell it out to you. My links demonstrate that the Irish government, like many others, has commissioned studies to determine the risk posed by changing weather patterns to coastal/estuarine infrastructure. As a result of these continuously updated studies certain schemes have already been started to reduce flooding risk. Skibbereen is the only one of which I have firsthand knowledge. Even to you it must be obvious that settlements are first in line for protective works. Trump having invested an initial 8.7million euros to buy his golf course obviously does not want a storm to destroy his investment. The purchase occurred in 2014 and the initial planning applications not much later. Trump, like any other astute business man wishes to protect his investment. You are again allowing emotion to over ride commonsense. It is not a new seawall at all. It is a scheme that has been around for several years. It is not even controversial elsewhere!
St Andrews Golf club had to carry out emergency dune repairs after a blowout. The dunes were badly damaged back in March 2010 by high tides and strong North Easterly gales and a substantial amount of sand was lost.
Taking your nimby attitude of tree hugging nonsense to the ultimate absurdity everything would be fossilised and sterilized and allowed to revert to "nature" You can banquet on a view if you wish, I prefer to banquet on a steak and accept the landscape modification that allows this. This is the same reasoning that accepts that motorways are essential, as are new houses and fields preserved in order to grow food. I doubt there were sackfulls of little nimbies creating mayhem when all those fields adjacent to the golf course were created

Dunes are ephemeral and vulnerable features of the landscape. They are also dynamic. If you wish to prevent the dynamics impacting the operation of an adjacent golf course steps need to be taken. Had it been any other person requesting these remedial works I doubt it would have made headlines anywhere else.

As you are retired on a British pension I doubt you have the least concern for the employment opportunities put at risk by your resistance to the scheme.


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 09:03 AM

Nowhere is there a shred of evidence that Trump's project to "protect his investment" (to quote you) has anything to do with that environmental study.
You vcan be as boorishly ill-mannered as you with but until you produce evidence that it has you were right first time
I hink you shit in your own nest in your very first posting - don't you
You don'yt live here - it isn't on your doorstep, so don't you dare tell be what my position is
Your bullying is reminiscent of the clown you are attempting to offend - take it somewhere else - it really doesn't impress
All you are doing is providing a perfect example of Trumpite politics (which is a contribution of sorts, I suppose)


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Iains
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 09:53 AM

"Your bullying is reminiscent of the clown you are attempting to offend"

By your own admission you are a bullying clown! Who am I to argue?

The point I am trying to get through your extremely thick head is that with an increased prevalence of high intensity storms all dune systems are liable to damage and coastal and estuarine settlements need to be constructing sea walls.(as some are already)
for example 2012:
"SEVERE STORMS in November and December last year eroded about 500 metres of a section of sand dunes at Strandhill, Co Sligo, according to a consultants’ report. It has recommended the provision of a ramp structure costing almost €300,000 to protect the dunes.

Specialist consultants RPS was commissioned by Sligo County Council after concern about the erosion of Strandhill’s extensive dune system. Local people say the golf course and village car park, as well as the beach, are threatened."


Where is your outrage about StAndrews Golf course carrying out remedual works on the Dune system, or Sligo council above. The only difference to a thinking person is the name Trump.


As I said previously you are making a fuss about a situation several years old and pretending it is new purely because Trump is involved.
The major problem of wasting my time trying to argue with you is your total inability to understand what is being said. I am afraid have to agree with your assessment of yourself that you are a clown.


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: bobad
Date: 12 Jul 18 - 06:39 AM

Speaking of walls, a tad hypocritical of the EU, what?

Turkey has barricaded its border to Syria with the help of funding from the European Union. There are few options left for Syrians trying to flee the brutal war in their home country and those who do risk death.

Spiegel On Line


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 06:16 AM

"The point I am trying to get through your extremely thick head "
And the point I am maiking as have you in your first post, is that Trump's Wall has about as much to do with sea defences as does his Mexican one back home
It is about "protecting his investment, as you have already pointed out"
Your chage of mind came about when you realised it was a stupid excuse
Your new argument is equally as stupid
The man is a vicious predatory moron as are his suppoerters
The recent demonstrations in his favour included Islamophobic/racit speeches by pro-Robinsonites and Ukip and a balloon effigy of the Muslim Lord Mayor of London depicting Sadiq Khan with a pig's heed at his crotch - violent and abusive racist imagary representing perfectly what Trump stands for
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Iains
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 06:29 AM

" Trump's Wall has about as much to do with sea defences as does his Mexican one back home"

If the wall is not a defense against the sea why on earth would he waste money building it, you stupid boy!


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Iains
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 06:39 AM

The proposed development will comprise of coastal erosion management works at, and adjacent to, Carrowmore Dunes, White Strand, Doughmore Bay and Trump International Golf Links and Hotel, Doonbeg, Co. Clare.

https://www.clarecoco.ie/planning/planning-applications/decisions-on-planning-applications-accompanied-by-an-eis/


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 07:09 AM

That was Trumps application
Nothing to do with the scheme
It was proposed bt Trumps company, objected to be locals and opposed by the local environmental groups
Tha council and those who accept it locally do so on the Grounds that Tump's company brings in work to the area
Please state clearly why you have changed your mind from
"Anyone investing in any kind of shoreline infrastructure will take steps to protect their investment"
It is a Trump project defended by Trumps supporters
Trum has long proved himself an environmental vandal
We live here - the nearest you get to what goes on here is your absentee landlordism in Kerry
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Iains
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 07:14 AM

Proverbs 23:9


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 07:37 AM

Corinthians 13:11
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 07:41 AM

Or Jeremiah 10:8 even
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Iains
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 08:29 AM

bring on the clown


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 08:59 AM

Thought you'd run out of false claims and revert to your childish self
GSM as they say at Wimbledon
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 09:05 AM

So you are claiming a win then Jim?


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Iains
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 09:11 AM

Care to enlighten us about what false claims are made? I notice you have not supplied your recent sources, despite repeated requests.

As Teribus would rightly say: More made up Jom s****t!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 11:16 AM

15th July 06.16 comment about a 'balloon with a pigs head at its crotch' - some mistake in the effigy surely, should that not be David Cameron?!

another thought about rising sea levels / climate change -- some sort of karma for DT being as how he doesn't believe in in the existence of such a thing (despite his approval of fracking, coal and iron industries etc)...and is his Florida place not about to be overwhelmed by the sea?
He already tampered with sand dunes, sites of special scientific interest and people's homes at Menie in Aberdeenshire - good on the Scottish government for standing up to his demands to cancel the offshore windfarm project that DT claimed would spoil his view.

and - I hate people quoting biblical references when probably a majority of us haven't a clue what they are - nor have a bible to look it up! So - I think any quotes should be written out in full for the benefit of the rest of us (or the people arguing should do it by private messages?)


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Iains
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 12:09 PM

All you have to do with a biblical reference is to put it in a search string. No need of a bible or interpretation.
Just like religion-All is provided!
I assume that as you apparently disapprove of Fracking, coal and iron industries etc, you would perhaps prefer to be clothed in skins and resident in a cave and leave all the trappings of modern life behind?
No vehicles, no agriculture, no electricity,no food.
A hell of a way to cure overpopulation but you have the consolation that results are guaranteed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Iains
Date: 16 Jul 18 - 04:24 AM

An interesting summary of dune processes and their vulnerabilities from further up the coast from Doonbeg golf course. Even in this Special Area of Conservation certain stabilization methods have been adopted
Fanore-Beach-and-Dune-Management-Report_2016 : Current Problems and Planning for the Future.

The arguments are neatly summarised below:
"Effectively, adopting a policy of no infrastructural protection works could result in a return to unacceptable rates of dune erosion and sand movements onto adjacent lands.
But,under future climate warming projections such erosion of the dunes, consequent sand blows movements and wider environmental changes are very likely to happen anyway to dunes such as these at Fanore due to SLR, storminess winds and climate change. So, why ‘spend money’ now trying to stop the inevitable?

Also another extract from the report:
" Certainly, a decision for no fencing or related dune protection actions would save money! This approach may, however, be politically and in current conservation policy terms, unacceptable.

Also note this is an area with no infrastructure to protect.

This does lead to the obvious question concerning Trump's golf course: Why is sauce for the goose not sauce for the gander?


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Jul 18 - 04:40 AM

You are not responding to what I have said as a local - you have done a screeching Uturn on your original statement and refuse to explain why
Now you are digging up irrelevant garbage to make up for your ignorance and your disgusting and continuing defence of a megalomaniac President
Go talk to someone else Iains (try Keith - he talks to anybody who will talk to him as long as they share his LB opinions)
We're finished here
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Iains
Date: 16 Jul 18 - 04:58 AM

Oh dear! You have obviously not read a word of the linked report, presumably because it had many words of more than two syllables. We are definitely finished here because you are undoubtedly unable to understand what is being said. Nothing new there eh jimmie?
Run along and find another thread to infect!


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Subject: RE: BS: Donald's New Wall - in the sea
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Jul 18 - 05:30 AM

"We are definitely finished here "
I've already said that - stop behaving like a parrot


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