BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 05:52 PM

You are a prize lout and a prize scumbag, Iains, as you have comprehensively demonstrated via your postings in several threads over the last few days (and over a much longer period, actually), as we've all observed. That isn't me saying that. You are self-declared in those regards. Your posts are capricious and immature, demonstrating that you actually need help - you have my sympathy. There really is something seriously the matter with you. There are far more decent people here than the few thorough nasties like you, bobad and, above all, Keith. You are yesterday's man and the more you open yourself to ridicule via your typically splenetic and vacuous posts the more we will ridicule you. I hope the moderators read this - they made a splendid decision a few months back to delete Teribus and akenaton from this forum. You are far more scurrilously negative than either of those. I don't actually care whether you are allowed to remain here or not. I hope that the thoroughly decent members here, including Raggytash, Dave, pfr, Jim, DMcG, Backwoodsman and Pete (sorry if I've missed anybody out) will do as I'm going to do, studiously blank you out completely. Do your worst, you big kid. You'll be a marble rattling in a biscuit tin as far as I'm concerned from now on.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Iains
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 04:36 PM

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/24/the-guardian-view-on-antisemitism-and-labour-not-just-a-problem-of-perception


Looks like the guardian waffles too much for a link to be created.
There it is above.

bwm do you know what a troll is?
I suspect calling people scumbags is trolling, but as he is a leftard
I suppose I could expect nothing with the spark of originality.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 04:26 PM

Well, the best thing any of us could do is to ignore any threads that Keefy, Teribus/Ians, Boob-ad, and their fellow cockwombles start up. Let them do their own job of making twats of themselves.

Like all trolls, they know exactly which buttons to push, and ignoring their inane prattlings can be difficult, but it can be done - reacting to them isn't compulsory.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Iains
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 04:24 PM

THat's why you can only get louts like Iains to talk to you

let's use it to put scumbags like Iains, Keith and bobad firmly in their place.

Absolutely stunning counter arguments boys! Let's try bullying, bluster and insults instead. Fairly typical behaviour from the usual suspects.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/24/the-guardian-view-on-antisemitism-and-labour-not-just-a-problem-of-percept

Even the leftard rag the gruniard recognises that you yo yos have a problem!(2 hours ago)

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 03:14 PM

If this thread is to have any value, let's use it to put scumbags like Iains, Keith and bobad firmly in their place. The last few posts have been absolutely brilliant, and I loved that Corbyn clip. Thanks, John!

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 02:55 PM

“Two minutes in JC's past his critics don't want you to see....”
Hate to be the bearer of bad news Baccy, but you really don’t seem to have grasped the fner points of this
Keith’s Jews are those who would have been on the other side in Cable Street – Viktor Orban’s Jews and Trump’s Jews – you should vbe able to remember the last one when The Israelis name their new railway station after him
Keep up please
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 02:16 PM

btw... apparently Margaret Hodge considers herself to have such a significant power base in the Labour party
she is untouchable and immune to disciplinary action...

Well there is an appropriate 2 short word response...

Time for her to follow in the same direction as the more honorable & loyal Ken Livingstone...???

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 01:54 PM

me too.. me too...

"Date: 23 Jul 18 - 07:43 AM

So predictable...
Here he goes again... you only tolerate the right kind of jews who have it in for the Labour party...

ok Keith you win.. labour is evil antifa, and we should all vote "Britain First"...


I know where you get your ideas from...
I monitor their youtube channels for a grim laugh..."

I hope the prize is an ice lolly...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 01:52 PM

Two minutes in JC's past his critics don't want you to see....

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 01:29 PM

And here's mine...

"BrexShit? Absolute disaster, unravelling before our eyes.
Tory Cabinet? Absolute disaster, unravelling before our eyes.
Trump's visit? Absolute disaster, period.

Tories' and Blairites' answer to those disasters? "Look over there - Labour anti-semites!".

Feeble-minded cockwombles fall for the bollocks and bullshit."

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 01:24 PM

In case anyone missed it first time, this was my earlier comment.

Blatant attempt by the media and our resident right wingers to distract attention from the current shambles in the Tory party.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 12:43 PM

So... if you never said it",
why do you need to be the one so predictably, persistently, and obsessively bleating on about it...!!!???

what are you.. Little Sir Echo ...???

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 12:41 PM

Then you have to argue every single case Keith - not just the ones that suit you
Discussing israel with you is like reading a party political statement by the Lekud Party
YOUR STARTER FOR TEN

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 12:34 PM

I am old fashioned in the sense that I can have a fair relationship with opponents I respect.
More often than occasionally, I have found some of my 'enemies' to be more likable folks than some of my 'allies'...
Keith, unfortunately, is something of an insidious laughing stock...
..and he only has himself to blame for that...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 12:31 PM

BBC today,
But it is not possible to ignore what is a major political issue for one of our major political parties -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44933282


Got that guys? It is not me saying that.
You are in complete denial of the facts again.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 12:24 PM

Discussion takes ideas and responses
You people appear to only have grasped half the equation
THat's why you can only get louts like Iains to talk to you

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 12:19 PM

Pfr and others,
This is at heart why Kqueef has yet again dredged up this thread topic at a time when the tories are in such miserable divided disarray..

I did not. The BBC, Indie and Guardian did.
You pretend it is not an issue, yet the media is clear it is indeed a major story.
How you wish you could suppress it.
The sad thing is that you may well succeed in getting discussion suppressed here.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 11:16 AM

'Bout ****** time lads
You are never going to stop fanatics crusading their bulldozers over facts to reach their objectine
Any administration that creates laws and adapts definitions to protect its policies is a fascist one
With the new laws, the Israeli regime has now formalised exactly what Stalin was accused of doing, only he didn't have ETHNIC CLEANSING on his menu
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 11:15 AM

Iains - If I was you I'd be fuming that Kqueef was on the same side as me..

His 'support' is an embarrassing liability for the tories...


Unless, however, he is actually an infiltrated agent planted by the left...
In that case, well done Keith mate.. excellent job...!!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Iains
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 10:42 AM

Kind of hard to defend the indefensible, is it not?
Bye Bye boyos!

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 09:49 AM

I just look at this thread on the way to or back from the bog...
That's about as much attention and respect it deserves...

Obviously, I wouldn't waste time on this whilst sat on the bog..
that's precious time in the sanctuary devoted to positive creative meditation...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 09:01 AM

You're right, Steve. I'm done - anyone else with any self-respect should be too.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 08:57 AM

Spot on. Why don't we just ignore this load of total crap. Let's go ride bikes.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 08:54 AM

"It dwarfs the Tory problems that are always brought up here.

This is at heart why Kqueef has yet again dredged up this thread topic at a time when the tories are in such miserable divided disarray...

Another of his pathetic attempts to distract and deflect attention to a trumped up 'Labour problem',
created and sustained by various desperate right wing forces outside and within the Labour party.
Tories are desperately gasping for breath and don't care how many good people they cynically destroy to cling onto their own self preservation...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 07:20 AM

Correct, Dave. It's a known tactic of the Tories and Blairites.....

BrexShit? Absolute disaster, unravelling before our eyes.
Tory Cabinet? Absolute disaster, unravelling before our eyes.
Trump's visit? Absolute disaster, period.

Tories' and Blairites' answer to those disasters? "Look over there - Labour anti-semites!".

Feeble-minded cockwombles fall for the bollocks and bullshit.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 06:37 AM

Blatant attempt by the media and our resident right wingers to distract attention from the current shambles in the Tory party. I suggest that anyone with any sense ignores this thread and suspect it does not have long for this world anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Iains
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 06:34 AM

"If it's a valid description is can't be RIGHTLY interpreted as antisemitic."

and you claim to be well educated? Shaw at times you are a moron.

I repeat again solely for you
A valid description of one entity may rightly be interpreted as anti semitic if applied to one of the others

The above is generally called a sentence. In order to understand it you have to take it in it;s entirety.

Picking and choosing little bits out of context totally distorts what was said.
Any fool can do that as Shaw eloquently illustrates.

Let me put it more clearly you are a fool, whereas I am not a fool.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: bobad
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 06:20 AM

it is straightforwardly unacceptable that the party is trying to tell Jews what is and is not racist, rather than accepting a widely-agreed definition.

That is what racists do, isn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 06:02 AM

"For years, certain antisemitic attitudes have been normalised in parts of the left. It seems they are now an official party stance"
That is the opinion only of a Jewish journalist - it runs counter to the opinions of many thousands of other Jews
The fact that the pro Israel contingent refuses even to discuss the anomalies of the new political definition says everything that needs to be said - this is about defending the Israeli right, not the Jewish People
Some Labour Party members will back this definition not because it is right but because it will hopefully stop rocking the boat and ensure a future Labour Government
Making them pawns in a political contest is no way to treat the Jewish or any People

This friendly and thouhht provoking letter from a Jewish lany living in Dublin sums up perfectly what is happening in Israel today
It will be totally ignored or dismissed by our Knesset contingent as the words of a 'self-hating Jew'
It has already acquired that status in modern Israel

The Jewish diaspora and redefining Israel
Sir, - I read with interest Louis Marcus’s letter (July 21st). It is brave and thought-provoking.
I have always supported Israel and felt comforted by the knowledge that there is a home¬land for the Jewish people. I love the country, have family there and admire the principles of its founding fathers, born out of persecution and displacement throughout history. That does not mean I am not free to criticise or speak out.
Israel struggles with many problems, some of which it handles well, some mistakenly and others, to my mind, unfairly and downright wrongly.
I understand that one has to live in the country to fully grasp
its dilemmas both within and without; however, these latest political trends feel most uncomfortable and symbolically very wrong-headed for its citizens, Jewish or not, and (if it even cares) for its image abroad.
To sideline the Arabic language from official parity with Hebrew to one merely of special status is to make the coun¬try a less warm and inclusive one. Arabs have always lived there, their language is part of the culture and it is good to see notices and road signs in Hebrew and Arabic. The population and its diaspora are made up of many nationalities, languages and cultures, but I feel that most of the fair-minded
among us would acknowledge that Israel’s Arab population, language and culture are and must continue to be a much more integral part of its society than the current government wishes to acknowledge.
I cannot support this shift. It is not good for equality within the country or for peace on its borders. Nor - and I think its i leaders should know this - is it good for us Jews around the world, who endeavour to speak I up for Israel when they can, but e must also articulate when they cannot. Such is democracy. - Yours, etc,        
HEATHER ABRAHAMSON,        
Clonskeagh
Dublin.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 06:01 AM

Steve,
A pathetic rehash of previous doomed threads on the same tired topic, led once again by a feeble-minded obsessive.

It is led by the dispute within Labour breaking out into open warfare again.
Of course it gets raised here. It dwarfs the Tory problems that are always brought up here.

Makes Keith and bobad's dismal efforts to create divisions look so threadbare, eh?

I am flattered, but it has all come from within your party, not from us, and it fills the media. BBC had a lengthy report on it on both 6pm and 10pm news programmes last night, and Newsnight staged a debate between two Labourites on it.

Why should we not discuss it here too Steve?

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 05:45 AM

Is should be it.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 05:44 AM

"A valid description of one entity may rightly be interpreted as anti semitic if applied to one of the others."

If it's a valid description is can't be RIGHTLY interpreted as antisemitic.

"In this instance no ambiguity can be tolerated."

Well you've just been highly ambiguous.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Iains
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 05:35 AM

Jews, Israelis and the government of Israel are three very distinct entities. A valid description of one entity may rightly be interpreted as anti semitic if applied to one of the others. In this instance no ambiguity can be tolerated.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 05:33 AM

A pathetic rehash of previous doomed threads on the same tired topic, led once again by a feeble-minded obsessive. Careful what you get drawn into, David. But thanks for the Barenboim link. He's always been a bit of a hero of mine ever since we went to his concerts in the seventies in London. His Beethoven cycle at the Proms a few years ago was a revelation, performed with the West-Eastern Divan Orchestra which he founded with the Palestinian Edward Said, a mix of superb young Israeli and Arab musicians. Barenboim has always been about straining for peace and reconciliation in the Middle East.

From wiki:

The aim of the West–Eastern Divan Orchestra is to promote understanding between Israelis and Palestinians and pave the way for a peaceful and fair solution of the Arab–Israeli conflict. Barenboim himself has spoken of the ensemble as follows:

"The Divan is not a love story, and it is not a peace story. It has very flatteringly been described as a project for peace. It isn't. It's not going to bring peace, whether you play well or not so well. The Divan was conceived as a project against ignorance. A project against the fact that it is absolutely essential for people to get to know the other, to understand what the other thinks and feels, without necessarily agreeing with it. I'm not trying to convert the Arab members of the Divan to the Israeli point of view, and [I'm] not trying to convince the Israelis to the Arab point of view. But I want to – and unfortunately I am alone in this now that Edward died a few years ago – ...create a platform where the two sides can disagree and not resort to knives."

One of the young musicians of the orchestra reinforced this point:

"Barenboim is always saying his project is not political. But one of the really great things is that this is a political statement by both sides. It is more important not for people like myself, but for people to see that it is possible to sit down with Arab people and play. The orchestra is a human laboratory that can express to the whole world how to cope with the other."

Makes Keith and bobad's dismal efforts to create divisions look so threadbare, eh?

Daniel Barenboim is my YouTube go-to late at night, headphones on, when I fancy a bit of Beethoven piano. My two favourites are the sonatas Op 78 and Op 53, the Waldstein. Dammit, I shouldn't have favourites!

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 04:43 AM

David,
It is not anti-Semitic to claim that Israel is racist, and no-one is saying it is.
There is nothing in IHRA to limit criticism of Israel, and everyone else is completely happy with it.
It is just Labour who thinks they know better than everyone else including Jews what anti-Semitism is.

As BBC's Kuenssberg said today, " it is straightforwardly unacceptable that the party is trying to tell Jews what is and is not racist, rather than accepting a widely-agreed definition."

and, " if Labour was serious about sending a message that anti-Semitism was truly unacceptable, the way to go about it is not to go ahead with writing their own version of the rules. "

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 04:34 AM

Well it seems a strange time to be insisting that it is antisemitic to accuse the Israeli state of being racist, when a racist law, seen as racist by many Jews, has just been passed by the Israeli parliament.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 04:30 AM

Guardian last week,
"For years, certain antisemitic attitudes have been normalised in parts of the left. It seems they are now an official party stance "
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/18/labour-antisemitism-code-jeremy-corbyn

David, I broadly agree Barenboim's views, but how is it relevant to this thread?

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 04:26 AM

Care to comment on the Barenboim article Keith?

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 04:25 AM

Indie 7 hours ago,
"Labour MPs and peers back internationally recognised definition of antisemitism as party row deepens
MPs criticise Jeremy Corbyn as Parliamentary Labour Party backs definition that party leaders controversially refused to fully adopt"


"Labour MPs and peers have voted unanimously in favour of forcing the party's parliamentarians to abide by the internationally recognised definition of antisemitism that is at the heart of a furious row gripping the party.
The Parliamentary Labour Party (PLP) used an emergency meeting to unanimously pass a motion to make MPs and peers "accept and abide by" the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) definition, parts of which were controversially left out of Labour's new code of conduct.

The vote will come as a blow to Jeremy Corbyn and Labour's top team, which has opposed adopting the IHRA definition in its current form and insisted the party's own wording is enough."

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 03:51 AM

BBC Laura Kuenssberg 43 minutes ago,
"For many Labour MPs and the vast majority of Jewish organisations, it is straightforwardly unacceptable that the party is trying to tell Jews what is and is not racist, rather than accepting a widely-agreed definition.
And after a bruising couple of years where Jeremy Corbyn only relatively recently accepted there was a significant problem, some say the leadership appears to be putting the desires of those who want to be able to criticise Israel ahead of the rights of a minority who have been subject to significant abuse.
The view of Dame Margaret Hodge and many others is that if Labour was serious about sending a message that anti-Semitism was truly unacceptable, the way to go about it is not to go ahead with writing their own version of the rules. "

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 03:23 AM

Kren
The issue of 'loyalty to Israel' has always been a major issue - Israel grew out of donations from Jews throughout the world who helped finance it through its infancy - something I have always admired,
Now it has become something far more sinister, which is why it now needs to be examined
Israel has fallen into the hands of an extremist right-wing administration who are using 'loyalty to Israel' as an excuse for excesses that amount to war crimes and cries against humanity
If it hadn't been for these appeals and the support it has been getting i the form of over 100 US vetoes, the Israeli administration would have found itself facing the International Criminal Court for its behaviour.
Of course the world has to be free to question whether this 'call for loyalty' is being abused
How different is this from all the other dictators, Hitler, Stalin, Pinochet (and now Trump with his 'Make America Great Again'), actually using loyalty and Nationalism as a step up the power ladder.
Haw can opposition to the political policies of any regime be possibly described as "anti-semitism" or "racism" as it ids now being in Israel?

The Netanyahu administration seem to have shot themselves in the foot recently with their officially declaring Israel a Jewish State, while at the same time bowing to the pressure of Orthodox religious extremism.
Non orthodox Jews throughout the world are up in arms claiming their 'Jewishness' has been challenged - a step away from becoming the already established 'self-hating Jews'.

"Hello Pot! - Hello Kettle!
"Someone's up past their bedtime."
Can someone remove these trolls than close this thread please?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: KarenH
Date: 24 Jul 18 - 01:53 AM

I know that some Jewish Labour Party members have had the experience of being blamed for actions and policies of the state of Israel with which their interlocutors disagree and with which that same Jewish person disagrees. This isn't very nice and, though speaking as a non Labour party member, I feel it ought to stop.

However, this particular form of behaviour does not seem to be covered by any of the four points which Labour's critics want to be given more emphasis within Labour Party pronouncements as far as I can see from this:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44919875

The only one that seems to come close to it is the desired statement that it is anti-Semitic to accuse people of being more loyal to Israel than to their home country. This is stated to be 'wrong' in Labour's policy document, according to my source, while not listed as an 'example', which is stated to be the source of the complaints. However, if it should turn out that a person was more loyal to Israel than to their home country, which is not beyond the bounds of possibility, though I hasten to add highly unlikely, one would be unable to point it out. This seems odd.

I would prefer it if all states were secular including the one I live in and Israel and Iran and so on.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: bobad
Date: 23 Jul 18 - 09:07 PM

Someone's up past their bedtime.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jul 18 - 08:30 PM

Silly. Grow up.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: robomatic
Date: 23 Jul 18 - 08:20 PM

Hello Jim Carroll!
Hello Pot!
Hello Kettle!

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 23 Jul 18 - 03:52 PM

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/23/israel-racist-new-law-ashamed-apartheid-daniel-barenboim

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jul 18 - 03:20 PM

I suggest everbody walks away if Keith begins his "deocratice nations nonsense
To him, only nations who support Israeli fascism are "democratic
The links above expose what Israel has become - let him disprove them and call the Jerusalem Post and haaretz "antisemitic"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jul 18 - 03:16 PM

"Just UK Labour Party."
PROMINENT JEWS CONDEMN IHRA

Undemocratic Rabbis maybe?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jul 18 - 03:08 PM

"4 Comparing contemporary Israeli policies to those of the Nazis "
The problem with this one id that this accusation has been made by high ranking Israelis, including an Israeli general and several ex directors of Mossad Security Service
There clauses are political
Nothing to do with persecuting Jews - just political

Can I just demonstrate how ridiculious this new definition is

"Comparing contemporary Israeli policies to those of the Nazis"
What if the Iraeli regime began acting like Nazis?

What if their soldiers started to humiliate Pordinary people at CHECKPOINTS ?
What if Israelis began to drive Arab out of their HOMES to make room for people of the right religion ?
What if they began to DRIVE PALESTINIANS OFF LAND to make room for Jewish farmers ?
What if Israeli trops beganINDISCRIMINATELY KILLING DEMONSTRATORS, INCLUDING CHILDREN
What if they began DISPOSESSIING PEOPLE AND FORCING THEM INT SUBHUMAN LAND ?
What if people were treated as SECOND CLASS CITZENS BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE ?
What if LARGE NUMBERS OF THE POPULATION DEMAND THE REMOVAL OF NON-JEWS ?

All this is hypothetical of course - but what if it started to happen?
Would it still be wrong to describe them as acting like Nazis?
This definition is utter nonsense - to ploitcise persecution in support of Government policy is the act of a fascist state
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK Labour Party and IHRA def.
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jul 18 - 02:52 PM

Why...???

Why.. why.. because I love you...


Why...??? well it just seemed like a cue for a song...