The Rolling Stones should call it a day!

Subject: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 27 Jul 18 - 10:01 AM

I have a recording from their recent London Stadium gig, compliled from a number of in ear monitor feeds to produce a sort of stereo field. Quite frankly their playing is awful now, they sound like a schoolboy band at their second ever rehearsal!

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: GUEST,Manch
Date: 27 Jul 18 - 10:12 AM

Yes, and Sonny Boy Williamson said many years ago, those boys want to play the blues so bad, and that is what they do

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 27 Jul 18 - 12:44 PM

Their Chuck Berry & Bo Diddley days were the best.

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 27 Jul 18 - 02:44 PM

Who was playing lead guitar? Keith Richards has lost it, which is why they bring in Mick Taylor, for instance at Glastonbury 2013.

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 27 Jul 18 - 04:13 PM

I've no idea, but they all play out of time with each other!

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jul 18 - 04:50 PM

We watched them on telly about 2 years ago and they were ok but how much of it was in the mix and how much was them, I don't know.

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 27 Jul 18 - 05:07 PM

Bearing in mind - they probably get paid more for each gig than most of us make in our lives - why would they stop?

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jul 18 - 05:29 PM

Because they don't need more money?

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: GUEST,Observer
Date: 27 Jul 18 - 06:42 PM

What!!! Halt the career of one of the best folk bands the country (Or should I say Cuntry as Backwoodsman/ Muskrat would say). You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

All those 60s and 70s "folk icons" that are being played in so-called "folk clubs" - personally speaking if I want to listen to any of that music I will listen to a recording - none of it is improved or bettered by some twat with a reedy voice and a mediocre accompaniment on a six string guitar.

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jul 18 - 06:44 PM

So which banned ex-member are you then? :-)

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: Brian Peters
Date: 27 Jul 18 - 06:44 PM

why would they stop?

Maybe they don't stop because they enjoy playing? A pal of mine who's a fine bass player and a more than decent guitarist went to see them in Manchester, and reported not only that they played really well, but also appeared to be having a lot of fun.

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: GUEST,keberoxu
Date: 27 Jul 18 - 07:21 PM

Did they not have an album,
a studio album in the last five or ten years,
receive a Grammy Award for Best Traditional Blues?
2016 or something?

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: BobL
Date: 28 Jul 18 - 02:18 AM

Quite a few bands seem to be still flourishing, long past the normal best-before date of the rest. I saw a full-page ad yesterday for Iron Maiden's forthcoming tour - apparently already sold out. Presumably the ad space was firmly booked long ago. Well, if they can still bring in the customers....

And Fairport Convention are their own tribute band.

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: The Sandman
Date: 28 Jul 18 - 03:52 AM

I wouldnt give Mick jagger a floor spot the only thing hes any good at is mincing about

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jul 18 - 04:45 AM

Well you can't always get what you want, Dick.

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: Iains
Date: 28 Jul 18 - 04:54 AM

We do not insist politicians retire, so why criticize performing musicians of advancing years. They must be doing something right if people still pay to see them. They are also far more entertaining.

Seems there are one or two embittered posters here. Envious perhaps?

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: GUEST,Bob Mould
Date: 28 Jul 18 - 04:58 AM

I like how they sound these days
It's more akin to Howlin' Wolf or Sam Hopkins. I can see why some people would prefer their earlier, safer duller, more vanilla sound, but for me this new feel has more soul.

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: GUEST,Modette
Date: 28 Jul 18 - 05:01 AM

I saw them recently - fantastic.

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 28 Jul 18 - 05:06 AM

"And Fairport Convention are their own tribute band" - current line up are twee beyond imagination. I regularly play a recording of a Cropredy warm up from August 1992 which is superb!!!

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: GUEST,johnmc
Date: 28 Jul 18 - 05:19 AM

I imagine a recording created as described might not do justice to the actual sound
in the arena. It might even make the playing seem out of time. You get some appalling sound from TV broadcasts of live rock, for example.

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jul 18 - 05:32 AM

"none of it is improved or bettered by some twat with a reedy voice and a mediocre accompaniment on a six string guitar."

Well thank fuck I've got a good voice and I'm a decently competent guitar player (as Guest: Observer should know, if he/she is the 'banned ex-member' I'm guessing he/she is!). :-) :-)

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: GUEST,Observer
Date: 28 Jul 18 - 06:06 AM

Unfortunately "Baccy" most who do attempt 60s and 70s pop hits in folk clubs do not have good voices and no matter how competent you or anyone else is on guitar you simply cannot make it sound like a four or five piece pop group. As to your own self proclaimed talents I'll take your word for it as to my certain knowledge I have never seen or heard you 'perform'.

As for "The Stones" I am sure they will continue to perform until such time as no-one is prepared to part with their cash to see them - good luck to them!

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 28 Jul 18 - 06:18 AM

surely that's the point of folk clubs.

you are a folk. you have a voice. you want to sing.

it does not have to be a 'good' voice.

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jul 18 - 06:22 AM

Ah, not the guy I thought you were!

But of course, a solo performer isn't (or shouldn't be) trying to 'make it sound like a four or five piece pop group' - I certainly wouldn't. He/she should be doing their own, solo interpretation of the song.

The over-arching memories I have of Bruce Springsteen concerts are the songs he sang with just his own acoustic guitar accompaniment. Absolutely wonderful 'hairs-on-the-back-of-your-neck' stuff.

I 'do' two or three classic pop songs, that's all, but I try to do them 'my way', otherwise simply trying to duplicate a band-record is not only very in-satisfying for me, but also doomed to result in failure. And I don't sing them in folk clubs, only 'acoustic music' clubs or open-mics.

Regarding the Stones, I'm in absolute agreement with you!

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jul 18 - 06:25 AM

Un-satisfying! Bloody iPad predictive text!

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: theleveller
Date: 28 Jul 18 - 08:26 AM

If they're enjoying doing it and people are prepared to pay, what's the problem? Personally, I wouldn't pay a ridiculous amount to see them. But neither would I pay £75 to see Richard Thompson, and I really like him. I saw Steve Harley a few months ago and The Levellers last week and both were superb, although it was a little strange to see them sitting down to perform.

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: voyager
Date: 03 Feb 21 - 09:33 PM

Keith Richards bio 'LIFE' fell into my book pile this month. Quite a talented musical android (part-human, part-bluesman, part-reptilian) he has evolved to.

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Feb 21 - 12:16 AM

I do not rate them ,So what, they have their fans that go to their concerts and enjoy their music, why should their enjoyment be stopped just because someone on mudcat thinks that other peoples enjoyment should be stopped.

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Feb 21 - 12:22 AM

I haven't followed them lately, but I certainly liked what they did in their first twenty years. They brought lots of great blues songs to our attention.
Same with Cream and Led Zeppelin. You can certainly find fault with them, but they brought a lot of good songs to our attention.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: Johnny J
Date: 04 Feb 21 - 06:05 AM

Back in the sixties, Mick and Keef were struggling to come up with a song for a Double "A" Side for "Let's spend the night together".

Keef said "I think we should call it a day, Mick..."

Then "Ruby Tuesday" was born   :-))


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2CfgWPj3ls

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 04 Feb 21 - 06:58 AM

On 18 April 1964 I sat listening to Saturday Club on the BBC Light Programme and recorded this by the Rolling Stones at their best!!

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Feb 21 - 07:50 AM

The Great Sonny Boy Williamson no 2 said of The Rolling Stones."Those boys they want to play the blues so bad and thats just what they do."Sonny boy really could play here he is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bY0vcg2F-I just because they played the blues so bad, thats a not a reason to give up playing fifty years later

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: GUEST,James Phillips
Date: 04 Feb 21 - 10:02 AM

The Stones are now just a corporation which sells "last chance to see The Stones before you die" experiences for hundreds of dollars a ticket. That's the only reason anyone goes to see the Stones these days. To cross it off their list.

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: meself
Date: 04 Feb 21 - 10:54 AM

The Great Sonny Boy Williamson no 2 said a lot of things. He told a very young Junior Wells that he was 'too stupid' to learn how to play the harmonica, as an example (according to an older, successful, Jr Wells).

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Feb 21 - 11:39 AM

When I was 15, our band was starting to get basically proficient
in 'pub rock' classic R&B songs..

At that time I had to be the clever clogs and insist we were too young
and inexperienced
to be anywhere near as authentic as real old black blues singers,
still slogging away on tours in their old age..

Which lead to teenage schoolboy joking about how funny the distant future will be
when the Rolling stones are even older* codgers jamming their hits
in a faded rock star's retirement home...

[* By rock/pop standards, they were already getting on a bit in their 30s..
old geezers at least twice our age...!!!]...

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 04 Feb 21 - 11:43 AM

Was he really great? I don't think so.

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Feb 21 - 12:25 PM

well bonzo your opinion on SonnyBoy, just shows what an unmusical ignoramus you are, he certainly could play blues harmonica better than any of the stones and better than most other people he was on a par with Sonny Terry as one of the best.
Bonzo 3 legs does not think Sonntboy williamson no2 was not a great blues harmonica player, that has given me the best laugh of the day.
To paraphrase Martin Carthy, who is this berk

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Feb 21 - 12:31 PM

correction Bonzo 3 legs thinks Sonntboy williamson no2 was not a great blues harmonica player

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Feb 21 - 12:36 PM

Anyway the stones should continue all the time they want to
i read keith richrds biography , i quite liked him, of all of them he came across as having a genuine love of playing music

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Feb 21 - 12:40 PM

Bonzos statement about sonny boy no2,
reminds me of an occasion when walkabout verse tried to tell me that the english concertina should not be used for playing harmony.

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: John P
Date: 04 Feb 21 - 12:47 PM

Please stop trying to get other people to stop playing music. It's disgusting.

Please stop assuming that the only reason an old person would still be playing music is for the money. It's insulting. I'm old, I still play music, and I don't care about the money. Here's hint: If you don't need the money, what reason is there for performing other than that you enjoy it?

Please stop bashing the performances of whole classes of people. It's unworthy, not to mention rude, ignorant, incorrect, and stupid.

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Feb 21 - 01:08 PM

the stones started off as an rand b band, they did a fairly good version of little red rooster, after the death of brian jones they changed directioN to some extent.
i can think of better blues singers than jagger joanne kelly and steve rye was a very good english blues harminca player,
but mick jagger is not just a mediocre blues singer he is a front man an entertainer and a dancer. and a competent and decent pop singer
jagger richards wrote some good pop hits and jagger sings these well enough ,
the stones have given a lot of pleasure to people ,why the feck should they stop,
just because some self important musical critic, , who also appears to know nothing about blues harmonica playing, thinks what they did 50 years ago was better, that is not a sensible reason to stop giving their fans pleasure., and for them to stop enjoying themselves

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 04 Feb 21 - 01:09 PM

He was certainly no better than Keith Relf, and not a patch on Little Walter.

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Feb 21 - 01:54 PM

this is so funny.. sonny boy no2 born 1912 no better than keith relf,born 1943
keith relf was the yardbirds lead singer who would undoubtedly had been influenced and would have copied sonny boy no2.
yes little walter was also a very good harmonica player, but you said of sony boy no2

Was he really great? I don't think so.

and to say he was no better than keith relf
when sonny boy influenced him is a joke,
Bonzo. you are barking   up the wrong tree

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Feb 21 - 02:06 PM

The rolling stones should not call it a day.
Bonzo stop thread drifting and stick to your subject, you clearly know not much about blues harmonica

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: GUEST,Sol
Date: 04 Feb 21 - 04:10 PM

Saw them a couple of years ago. The second note of the first song intro of the gig ("Start Me Up") was an absolute corker. Keith laughed about it for ages. Not embarrassed in the slightest. Good on him.
Great concert - loved every minute. Never ever thought I'd go and see a group of rockers who were 10 years older than my grandad when he died.:-)

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Feb 21 - 05:47 AM

Bonzo you must learn a little objectivity, you may think the stones are not as good as they were ,but let others have the opportunity go to their concerts.
I do not like cliff richard , and think he is worse than he was 50 years ago, but i would not try to stop others from going to see him

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 Feb 21 - 06:16 AM

I don't do "must" !!!

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 Feb 21 - 06:17 AM

Cliff Richard & The Shadows 1960 - "that sound" !!!

Subject: RE: The Rolling Stones should call it a day!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Feb 21 - 06:39 AM

”Cliff Richard & The Shadows 1960 - "that sound" !!!”

Indeed, Bonz. Responsible for my taking up the guitar in 1961.