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Unbelievable Guitar Prices

GUEST,Eddie1 - sans cookie as ever! 27 Jul 18 - 02:17 PM
GUEST,Eddie1 - sans cookie as ever! 27 Jul 18 - 02:20 PM
Will Fly 27 Jul 18 - 02:26 PM
GUEST,Eddie1 - sans cookie as ever! 27 Jul 18 - 02:42 PM
punkfolkrocker 27 Jul 18 - 02:53 PM
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Will Fly 27 Jul 18 - 03:09 PM
GUEST 27 Jul 18 - 04:59 PM
GUEST,Eddie1 - sans cookie as ever 27 Jul 18 - 05:19 PM
GUEST,Mark Bluemel 27 Jul 18 - 06:05 PM
GUEST,Rigby 27 Jul 18 - 06:14 PM
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GUEST,matt milton 28 Jul 18 - 10:23 AM
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Subject: Unbelievable Guitar Prices
From: GUEST,Eddie1 - sans cookie as ever!
Date: 27 Jul 18 - 02:17 PM

Got to this via Facebook. Seems to be a very new website. There is the old adage, If it seems too good to be true, it probably is!

Martin D28 - Euros 169.99
Gibson J200 - Euros 169.99
Fender Strat - Euros 136.99

No company address anywhere. Think I'll sign up for their newsletter, then wait and see.

Does anyone know more than me?

Eddie


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Subject: RE: Unbelievable Guitar Prices
From: GUEST,Eddie1 - sans cookie as ever!
Date: 27 Jul 18 - 02:20 PM

Sorry, website pintaeu.com.
Eddie


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Subject: RE: Unbelievable Guitar Prices
From: Will Fly
Date: 27 Jul 18 - 02:26 PM

Absolutely no site info - no details, no location, no product description.

Looks remarkably like a rip-off site to me.


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Subject: RE: Unbelievable Guitar Prices
From: GUEST,Eddie1 - sans cookie as ever!
Date: 27 Jul 18 - 02:42 PM

There is actually a very full product description. Once you have selected a guitar, click on link for product. Eddie


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Subject: RE: Unbelievable Guitar Prices
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Jul 18 - 02:53 PM

If there are actually any guitars at the end of this,
I would guess they are Chinese counterfeits...???
I believe these have recently been banned by UK law, and risk being confiscated by Customs officers...

Youtube is awash with reviews about such guitars,
pot luck if you get a crap instrument, or one actually better than the original being copied...


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Subject: RE: Unbelievable Guitar Prices
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Jul 18 - 03:04 PM

http://scamanalyze.com/check/pintaeu.com.html


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Subject: RE: Unbelievable Guitar Prices
From: Will Fly
Date: 27 Jul 18 - 03:09 PM

The full product info for the "Gibson ES-335":

3-ply maple, poplar, maple top, back and rims with cream binding
Single-piece mahogany neck with comfortable rounded


Not a lot, is it?


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Subject: RE: Unbelievable Guitar Prices
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jul 18 - 04:59 PM

Hey, I didn't look at every guitar on the website! Martin 000-28 has;
Tight-waisted auditorium body for comfort and rich tone
Solid sitka spruce top with Standard X bracing
Solid east Indian rosewood back and sides
Select hardwood neck with low profile shape
Solid black ebony fingerboard and bridge
20 frets with Style 28 position inlays
Chrome enclosed tuners with large buttons
16 inch radius compensated bone saddle and bone nut
Includes 630 moulded case
The Martin 000-28 acoustic guitar shares many features that can be seen on the Eric Clapton signature model - minus the special appointments and with a slightly wider neck - without the heftier price tag. The solid sitka spruce top is secured using the incredibly strong standard "X" bracing pattern, keeping the spruce stable whilst allowing the top to vibrate naturally. Due to its wonderfully resonant properties, the sitka spruce makes an excellent soundboard and projects sound in a consistent and articulate manner.

The back and sides of the 000-28 are made from solid East Indian rosewood, held in high renown due to its high velocity of sound. This means - in much the same way as the sitka spruce - it projects sound robustly and consistently. The combination of these tonewoods gives the 000-28 a fantastic ability to project sound with little to no effort at all, vastly increasing the dynamic range of the instrument - perfect for guitarist who require a guitar that can articulate the nuances of their playing most accurately.

To ensure the body is protected from unwanted damage, the edges are bound in white boltaron. A layer of polished gloss protects the entire body from unwanted marks, rubbing or scratches without impeding the tonewood's vibrations.

Neck
Only select hardwood is used to build the neck, in order to create a solid channel for the strings to resonate. A solid black ebony fingerboard rests atop the neck, playing home to 20 desirable frets. The neck shape is cut to a low profile and the fingerboard radius is a mere 1-11/16" at the nut to 2-1/8" at the 12th fret. This means that for those with smaller hands or seek a narrower playing surface without losing out to a less powerful body, can have the best of both worlds.

Finish
Chrome enclosed tuning machines ensure that each string's tuning integrity is maintained throughout each performance. The belly style solid black ebony bridge ensures the string's connection to the body remains true, giving you utter confidence in the 000-28's ability to perform.

The body is protected beneath the soundhole by a decorative and functional black pickguard, reducing the chances of nicking or scraping the sitka spruce whilst playing.


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Subject: RE: Unbelievable Guitar Prices
From: GUEST,Eddie1 - sans cookie as ever
Date: 27 Jul 18 - 05:19 PM

And Gibson J45 has this:
Custom J-45 acoustic model, influenced by the renowned J-45 Standard
Sitka spruce top with rosewood back and sides
One-piece mahogany neck with comfortable Slim Taper profile
Smooth richlite fingerboard decorated with small abalone diamond inlays
Fitted with LR Baggs VTC pickup, upgraded for better sound delivery
Gold Grover Rotomatics tuners ensure complete accuracy
Richlite bridge with Tusq saddle offer clean, consistent acoustic tone
Comes with a Gibson black hardshell case
The J-45 is well-known and adored acoustic model which has remained one of the best-selling Gibson guitars over the years. The 2017 J-45 Custom is built by the expert luthiers at the Gibson Acoustic factory in Montana, keeping that round shoulder dreadnought design accompanied by a selection of modern improvements to make this guitar even more appealing.

BODY
The 2017 J-45 Custom has been skilfully crafted by the professionals based at Gibson's Acoustic factory in Bozeman, Montana. With a radiused, AA-grade Sitka spruce body top with scalloped bracing, projection and acoustic delivery are second to none, sounding perfectly clear and resonant with each note.

A unique feature of the 2017 J-45 Custom is that its body back and sides are constructed entirely from rosewood. The rosewood and Sitka spruce partner eachother beautifully, offering an alluring appearance which is further complemented by a hand bound trim binding on the body top with extraordinary herringbone detail.

NECK
A single-piece mahogany neck is firmly secured to the body using hot hide glue via a compound dovetail joint. The neck is shaped to an incredibly comfortable Slim Taper profile, enhancing the feel of the neck in your hand. The neck is topped with a smooth, richlite fingerboard. Gibson have added small, decorative abalone diamond inlays to guide you from one fret to the next.

PICKUP SYSTEM
Gibson have employed an updated LR Baggs VTC pickup to amplify the 2017 J-45 Custom Rosewood guitar. This built-in pickup system means you can plug in and play anywhere, making any practice session or live performance a doddle. Volume and tone controls can be easily located beneath the soundhole, allowing you to tweak your sound accordingly. The positioning of the LR Baggs VTC pickup is the reason it can accurately capture the soundwaves directly from the guitar soundboard and deliver a resonant acoustic translation.

HARDWARE AND FINISH
The headstock is beautifully decorated with cream binding and kitted out high-calibre with Gold Grover Rotomatics tuning keys. The tuners are set to a reliable 14:01 ratio, which, alongside the Tusq nut and saddle ensure consistently accurate tuning and ideal string spacing.

The body has a richlite bridge, enhancing sustain and resonance. A firestripe pickguard adds a vintage aesthetic to the body, a prime feature that perfectly suits the Vintage Sunburst colour of the guitar. Gibson include a black hardshell case to protect this workhorse against damage, and a Gibson Acoustic Owner's Manual is also supplied.

It seems to have been built in two different places?
Incidentally, the J200 has only this:
The Gibson 2016 J-200 Standard is a reinvented version of the 1937 classic.
While the SJ 200 has:

"King of the Flat Tops" sets the standard for all others
Powerful Super Jumbo that projects a mighty yet nuanced output
Sitka spruce top reinforced by traditional hand-scalloped X-bracing
Maple back and sides generates a punchy midrange timbre
Maple neck with round profile ensures a comfortable and stable feel
20 fret rosewood fingerboard with mother of pearl crown inlays
Distinctive SJ-200 bridge optimises intonation in peerless style
Gold Grover Rotomatic tuning machines uphold tuning integrity precisely
Includes Gibson hardshell case, and accessory kit
The Gibson Acoustic 2018 SJ-200 Standard Electro Acoustic Guitar in Vintage Sunburst assumes the mantle of "King of the Flat Tops" with ease, showcasing the awesome power of its Super Jumbo body alongside sublime appointments to cement its regal aesthetic. Once you pick up and play one of these beauties, you'll immediately appreciate and understand why so many guitarists have turned to the SJ-200 as their preferred instrument of choice. From rock to country, no genre remains untouched by this majestic acoustic's influence.

Solid Super Jumbo
The Gibson Acoustic 2018 SJ-200 is bestowed with the classic Super Jumbo body profile, which gives it large dimensions that results in a huge output that offers a wide dynamic range. The delivery may be substantial, but thanks to the elegantly executed constructed and carefully selected tonewoods, the SJ-200 sings with a delightfully nuanced timbre. Whether you're playing as part of an ensemble or going solo, the Super Jumbo shape gives you the versatility to play within or above a mix with ease.

Tasteful tonewoods
The body back and sides are built using maple, which establishes a bright and punchy tonal foundation. Paired with the maple is a Sitka spruce top, which is reinforced using traditional hand-scalloped X-bracing to optimise projection and resonance whilst preventing unwanted buckling and warping over time.

As well as the awesome Vintage Sunburst finish, additional touches have been applied to make this beauty stand head and shoulders above the rest. Multi-ply binding to the top and bottom complements the tonewood finish exquisitely, the multi-ply double-ring rosette encircles the soundhole, and a subtle coating of nitrocellulose lacquer protects the finish. The icing on the cake comes in the form of an ornately decorated traditional cast SJ-200 pickguard.

Sturdy yet supple maple neck
Using a compound dovetail neck-to-body joint for strength, the 2018 SJ-200 Standard has been given a strong and reliable maple neck. Shaped to a round profile to guarantee comfort and stability, the neck ensures a substantial yet manageable feel in the hand. Married to the neck is a luxurious rosewood fingerboard, which is home to 20 frets that are adorned with hand mother-of-pearl crown inlays. Whether you're fretting chords, strumming your heart out, or playing intricate fingerstyle, the neck and fingerboard accommodate all styles equally.

Gig-ready hardware
The Gibson SJ-200 headstock is home to a set of gold Grover Rotomatic tuning machines, which uphold tuning integrity with precision. Between the headstock and neck rests the Tusq nut, which carries out the task of maintaining string tension dutifully. The delightfully designed SJ-200 moustache bridge creates a seamless connection between the strings and body, ensuring optimum intonation throughout each performance.

LR Baggs Anthem
The SJ-200 Standard is equipped with an upgraded, award-winning L.R. Baggs Anthem pickup system. The Anthem pickup delivers warm, balanced tones that transparently translates the natural acoustic timbre of the guitar exquisitely, whilst doing a fantastic job of suppressing any potential unwanted feedback. Thanks to the unique TRU.MIC hardware, which is mounted beneath the bridge plate, the Anthem produces a sparkling output that is infused with absolute clarity.

The Gibson Acoustic 2018 SJ-200 Standard Electro Acoustic Guitar is a work of art. To ensure yours stays in pristine condition for many years to come, each model is supplied with a hardshell case, as well as a Gibson accessory kit.

On Amazon, the LR Baggs Anthem pick-up is priced at £283.44 on its own, without an SJ 200! At least we are agreed that it all sounds very dodgy


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Subject: RE: Unbelievable Guitar Prices
From: GUEST,Mark Bluemel
Date: 27 Jul 18 - 06:05 PM

If it sounds good to be true...
FPR had it right I fear.


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Subject: RE: Unbelievable Guitar Prices
From: GUEST,Rigby
Date: 27 Jul 18 - 06:14 PM

It's obviously a scam, don't go anywhere near it.


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Subject: RE: Unbelievable Guitar Prices
From: GUEST,Eddie1 - sans cookie as ever
Date: 28 Jul 18 - 06:49 AM

Found another - different address but same guitar info. also offering full orchestral instrument list + dj/studio gear. eg. Allen And Heath Qu-24 Chrome Edition Digital Mixing Desk at £135.76. Normal price around £1700!!! Seems to be same guys at it!


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Subject: RE: Unbelievable Guitar Prices
From: GUEST,matt milton
Date: 28 Jul 18 - 10:23 AM

Good test for scam websites is whether they take Paypal or not. With Paypal you are covered and you will always get your money back.

I got burned with a fake Dr Martens site recently. I knew it wasn't the real Dr Martens site, but assumed it was just some dead stock warehouse or something. I also naively (as I now know) thought that because it was on Facebook it would be legit: it never occurred to me that they let just any company advertise there; I'd presumed that they monitored advertisers and wouldn't take money from scammers.

So, yeah, beware: if it doesn't take Paypal it's clearly a crook.


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Subject: RE: Unbelievable Guitar Prices
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 28 Jul 18 - 11:36 AM

The temptation is that they might really be selling guitars for a tenth of the price,
and you could be the lucky one who gets delivered a counterfeit
nearly as good as, and virtually indistinguishable from the real thing...
which didn't get impounded and destroyed by UK customs...

Like I said, youtube abounds with reviews from delighted customers,
and horror stories from those who were scammed...

Rumours are these counterfeit guitars originate from big name factories using the same CNC machines and materials...
but produced after hours, and off the books...

We used to know a bloke who worked in a factory making Marks and Spencers trifles,
he could always supply them without labels, cheap to neighbours...


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Subject: RE: Unbelievable Guitar Prices
From: GUEST,Eddie1
Date: 28 Jul 18 - 01:46 PM

pfr - they are pushing such a wide range of instruments & equipment that they must know a lot of people! Trifle though? They have missed out on a winner there!


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Subject: RE: Unbelievable Guitar Prices
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 28 Jul 18 - 02:01 PM

Remember almost all electronic music equipment is manufactured in Chinese factories
and can potentially be counterfeited...

.. might even be the 'real thing', but fallen off the back of a factory...???

The trifle principle can apply to anything leaked to the dodgy cheap Chinese export internet shops...

At least the bloke down the road's M&S trifles were the real thing
[even if they might have gone off a bit and been discarded from the supply chain...]


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Subject: RE: Unbelievable Guitar Prices
From: GUEST,Cj
Date: 28 Jul 18 - 03:18 PM

A studio owner pal of mine bought a top of the range Martin (rip-off) from the Chinese eBay place. It looked good from 10ft, as it got closer alarms bell rang and close-up, it was an awful, cupboard sounding instrument. Not worth any money for the sound it made. Perhaps as a stage prop there was value


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Subject: RE: Unbelievable Guitar Prices
From: JMB
Date: 29 Jul 18 - 05:11 PM

I recently saw on Facebook's Marketplace a Fender SA-50 and Martin D-50 for $170 CDN.
My former bandmate is a Fender guy, and myself a Martin guy even though I never owned a Martin as of yet.


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Subject: RE: Unbelievable Guitar Prices
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 30 Jul 18 - 07:31 AM

"So, yeah, beware: if it doesn't take Paypal it's clearly a crook."

Interesting theory but I’m not sure how far it works out. On a short random sample of our family (non Amazon...) online shopping this year, from plumbing supplies to gardening, most do take Paypal. A couple of exceptions I noted were Nisbets (catering supplies) and Radmore and Tucker (gardening/forestry equipment). Both of these do sell to many casual customers and are not what I’d consider “fly by night” firms.


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Subject: RE: Unbelievable Guitar Prices
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 30 Jul 18 - 08:47 AM

Be safe and get a Yamaha preferably an old one. They beat most of the so called 'name' instruments. A Yamaha rosewood laminate is better than some badly made solid sides, and the new ARE system puts them well ahead of the competition. Look at a Yammie as raw material. Set it up yourself. Change the nut and bridge to bone, the end pegs to brass the machine heads to Grover's or Schaller's tune up and listen to it sing. Otherwise all you are paying for is the bit on the headstock that says Martin/Taylor/Gibson etc. and nobody really cares about that.


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