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Subject: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 29 Jul 18 - 12:13 PM

6 months ago I was given a perfectly good PC at work which was about to be taken to the dump with some others - minus hard drives of course. My boss also gave me a hard drive which he thought had been seriously wiped. I figured out how to connect it at home but my monitor showed "no signal". So I used it as a putting place for CDs.

Today being a rainy, windy sort of day and with a few hours to spare before Waitrose home delivery, I had another go at this PC. I disconnected all interior cables, reconnected and hey ho - text on the monitor telling me it cannot detect a keyboard - I'm in business and it was running Windows 7 Professional - so much for "serious cleaning"!

So piggy backing my main PC's wireless connection, I'm upgrading it to Windows 10 so I can get some practise before our machines are upgraded at work!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Jul 18 - 12:28 PM

Bonz - this may require more detailed research...

A few months ago I was googling on this topic and turned up various versions of what may or may not be true...

1 - it may still be possible to upgrade free to Win 10 from an official microsoft server,
if you can find the right one - and own a legal qualifying older version...???????

2 - Anyone can install Win 10 from a microsoft server, and it will work
but display a permenant nagging pop up in a corner of the screen...??????

You can buy cheap as chips Win 10 key off semi legit internet software shops/ebay,
and they will work for any amount of time from a few months to forever,
depending how many people already bought the same key
[ customers advised to register the key immediately on download]...????????

I really don't know how true any of this is, but I reckon they are not completely untrue...

What I want is the cheapest legal install of win 8.1 or 8.1 pro...


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 29 Jul 18 - 12:35 PM

I had copies of a number of CDs on my hard drive so I could listen to them with earphones in while at work,and keep the orignals from wear and tear/damage. However, following on from a windows upgrade, every 9(music) file was rendered unplayable.

From experience Win 7 has been one of the most robust op systems since win 3.1.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 29 Jul 18 - 12:48 PM

Yes, I have to say that it's very very slow, but I'll see.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: DaveRo
Date: 29 Jul 18 - 12:52 PM

Yes, you can install Windows 10 from MS servers and run it without activating it. You get a watermark saying 'Activate Windows...' and you cannot personalise it - so you're stuck with the default wallpaper. I have such a machine - I use it to test the big biannual 'feature updates'.

The free upgrade (and activation) from Win 7 expired in 2016.

ISTR Win 10 introduced a new music player so it might not have played existing music tracks without a bit of configuring. As usual, installing VLC would be a good start.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 29 Jul 18 - 03:34 PM

Oh dear, blue screen and rebooting back into Windows 7!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 29 Jul 18 - 04:00 PM

Maybe I need to install 4 years worth of Windows updates - 92 of them!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 Jul 18 - 02:28 AM

I'll give it one more go, then if that fails I'll stick with Win 7 Professional!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: DaveRo
Date: 30 Jul 18 - 03:49 AM

I did this upgrade several times on an old box when W10 first came out. I had several BSDs which were all (?) related to the video 'card'. W10 dropped support for many old video cards.

I usually got it going by dropping to lower resolution which involved 'safemode' or equivalent - I can't remember but it involved numerous reboots and was quite different to W7. Eventually I bought a newer video card from CeX for £20.

MS publish a program that checks the hardware for compatibility. I had run that but it didn't identify this video card as a problem.

You'd be better off with a clean install, but I assume you don't want to overwrite W7. Get another HD?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Jul 18 - 08:01 AM

Just an idea...

I had a old PC which threw frequent blue screen wobblers...

Turned out it was the graphic card gradually vibrating loose on it's contacts to the mother board....
Which just required being pushed firmly back in again..

Dust on the contacts might also have been involved...
all photographers should own at least one good rubber bulb puffer like a pricey Giotto Rocket...


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 Jul 18 - 03:28 PM

4 hours on - "working on updates 24% Don't turn off your PC. This will take a while!!!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 Jul 18 - 04:45 PM

Success after 4 3/4 hours!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 31 Jul 18 - 02:58 AM

But it really is an abomination, why ms see fit to change a decent explorer system is beyond me.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 31 Jul 18 - 04:43 AM

Many friends including a former IT manager have reported problems with upgrades to Win10 that may require them to scrap laptop or rebuild PC. It seems some devices lack enough memory to cope with upgrade. Our IT chap advised us to avoid upgrading to Win10 until all these bugs have been fixed.
RtS


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 31 Jul 18 - 08:06 AM

I shall probably revert to Windows 7 in due course!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: DaveRo
Date: 31 Jul 18 - 11:13 AM

Explorer is a bit of a mess. You can customise it - for example make it start in My PC (right-click Quick Access, then Options). But what I'd like to do is get rid of a lot of it. I've got used to it, and I don't remember Win7's explorer being any better, but I prefer XPs simpler version.

There are just two features in Win 10 that I'd really miss if I had to use Win7:
  1. Virtual Desktops - I've used these in Linux since forever.
  2. The File History backup system. This is really good - though if you don't want your backup drive permanently connected (to prevent ransomeware) then it's trickier to use.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 31 Jul 18 - 11:57 AM

I've found win 8.1 to be a reasonable compromise,
and will look for a cheap legal install of that for a Lenovo laptop I want to swap out the HD for a solid state drive.
Problem is the laptop is factory installed with Win 8.1 Bing
which is never supplied on a back up CD/DVD;
and it is impossible to download ISOs of that from microsft or Lenovo for a fresh install.

I'm reluctant to try copying the existing system to the new solid state HD,
because I just want a clean new install without all the Lenovo bloatware


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: Nick
Date: 01 Aug 18 - 02:08 PM

I still fail to see how people can get bothered about operating systems. I think I have used all of them since Windows 3.1 but can't get excited or bothered about them one way or the other. Not a fan of Windows ME, Vista or Windows 8 but apart from that they are tools that do things and things run on for me. Mostly I use a browser, Photoshop, Office and various music software. Is it difficult to navigate round Windows. No. I can't see any real difference in practical terms between 7 and 10. But there we go.

I did have THE most bizarre thing two days ago though which I have never come across. My keyboard partially stopped working. Number pad and everything right of the Insert/Delete/Arrows worked. On the top row the numbers 4 to 0 and - and + worked. Backspace didn't. No keys worked on the Q row. A couple of keys on the next row and the keys on the bottom row right of the letter V. Right shift worked everything on the left didn't.

The upshot of that was that I could get to the log on page and log on but never got to the icons on the desktop so it was unuseable.

Could get to Advanced Options from the log on page by shift restarting on the Power option but it would not System Restore or use any of the sorting options apart from Resetting the machine. I also had to splash out on a £5.95 keyboard (why do keyboards range from £6 to £150? - weird)

But the ability to restore windows without disks etc from the machine itself I think is a good thing. Reinstalling the programs I wanted was a bit of a pain but it does tell you everything that it has removed. At least half I won't bother to put back again.

Strange. But still can't get too excited about operating systems even when they go a bit (or a lot) wrong :)

My machine is about 6 or 8 years old with 8gb of RAM and I don't have any real issues apart from this latest bit of fun. I look it as an opportunity to do some spring cleaning


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: Nick
Date: 01 Aug 18 - 02:15 PM

Ought to explain...

Part of what made it unuseable might have been me clicking on some unknown combination of keys which meant that it never properly logged on. I had a Windows icon, search and task view icon. And some in the right corner and a black taskbar. A blue spinning icon and an ability to click on anything that would respond.

The disk yellow light was on constantly and very occasionally the screen would refresh. but even leaving it for HOURS didn't let me click on anything.

Odd.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: Nick
Date: 01 Aug 18 - 02:20 PM

It removed 283 programs. I have reinstalled 35 and will probably add about 50 plugins etc to do with music and photography)

So probably a good thing


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Aug 18 - 02:25 PM

"I still fail to see how people can get bothered about operating systems. I think I have used all of them since Windows 3.1 but can't get excited or bothered about them one way or the other. Not a fan of Windows ME, Vista or Windows 8 but apart from that they are tools that do things and things run on for me. Mostly I use a browser, Photoshop, Office and various music software. Is it difficult to navigate round Windows. No. I can't see any real difference in practical terms between 7 and 10. But there we go."

I completely agree. But then I'm neither a clever-shit who's constantly trying to outwit my computer, nor a Luddite who resists change as a matter of principle.

Things change, the world moves on - get with the program.

The usual disclaimers apply......IMHO, YMMV etc.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: Nick
Date: 01 Aug 18 - 03:00 PM

:)


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Aug 18 - 03:38 PM

:-) :-)


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: DaveRo
Date: 02 Aug 18 - 02:58 PM

So, B3L, is the title of this thread true? Did you end up with an activated Win 10?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 02 Aug 18 - 04:24 PM

Yes I did because its previous Windows 7 Pro was activated.

However, the PC itself is odd because when it is connected to the mains, the fan starts and when I power on, but the system will not start up. But if I hold in the switch and stop the fan, then the system will start as normal when I power on.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: DaveRo
Date: 03 Aug 18 - 03:08 AM

In my experience Intel-type PCs only start up when you push the power button, not when you plug them in. PSUs have a fan which sometimes starts when you plug them in or switch them on - if they have a switch - but usually doesn't. The PC itself controls its fan(s) and the PSU controls its fan, depending on temperature. Or they don't, if they're cheap.

When this free Win 10 update was first released you had 30 days to revert to Win 7/8. Are you sure it's activated, BTW?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: Nick
Date: 03 Aug 18 - 06:38 AM

Wouldn't be anything to do with your hacked copy of Photoshop which is known to cause a few problems :)


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 03 Aug 18 - 08:42 AM

No the problem was there before!!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: Nick
Date: 03 Aug 18 - 07:35 PM

Adobe are very good about intention...


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 04 Aug 18 - 06:51 AM

Having spent 2 hours on live chat to network provider, four visits to shops one call to manufacturer "help" line to try to get an old phone unlocked so someone else could use it, my wife told final third tier "help" person, who like the others couldn't solve the problem, "forget it, I'll throw the phone in the pond and buy one from X" (a competitor provider).
It seems all IT "help" line staff just read from a script and have no real understanding of their products.
Rant over.
RtS


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 04 Aug 18 - 06:59 AM

Got it in one!!!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 04 Aug 18 - 07:13 AM

I doubt there is much IT knowledge on most "help lines" and that support will usually be limited to a very limited number of devices and circumstances.

One I noticed the other day concerned VPN, which I wouldn't have thought too uncommon a requirement these days... I'd noticed my own (outside to my router) was broken and started to look at the Plusnet support. What I found there was that there were users (although going the other way, eg. like a home worker to an office server) who had problems in the past and that l2tp/ipsec was broken on some IP ranges (seemed like they were moving people around). But the telephone help lines did not support questions about VPN...

(was able to fix mine btw as a firmware upgrade for the router offered ipsec/xauth which did work)


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: Nick
Date: 04 Aug 18 - 08:31 AM

I used to work in IT support (sort of - quite specialised) and the competence of people was huge. Even if it was outside of what we were doing they would help and share.

I had an interesting experience recently. I got in touch with Google Chromecast because my wife's laptop couldn't see what the ipads and kindles and desktops could see.

Very helpful and a REAL person phoned me from abroad to help. Genuinely surprised.

Now I could grumble that he didn't immediately know the answer but he pointed me in a direction and I then sorted it. I know so little about 2.4 and 5ghz wireless but now I do.

Good for them.

My shock was to speak to a person. I dealt with google years ago - once when I had an issue with a search getting spammed (it got sorted in a day though no response from them) and when the company I worked for spent hundreds of thousands of pounds with them every year but speaking to anyone. No. Interesting company. Noone in the world knows how many support staff they have.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Aug 18 - 02:50 PM

happy coincidence...


https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/get-windows-10-free-or-cheap,review-34459.html

by Scharon Harding August 3, 2018 at 4:52 PM


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Aug 18 - 03:32 AM

My batch file renaming program would not install in Windows 10, so I found a way of doing it with a batch command !!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 Aug 18 - 01:47 AM

Might seem a daft question - how should a SATA hard drive be connected to power when there is no switch on back of PC, with SATA cable or the red & yellow cable?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10 upgrade is still free!
From: DaveRo
Date: 07 Aug 18 - 02:09 AM

It does seem like a odd question. There are normally two cables, one (narrower) for data to the motherboard, and one with power to the PSU. Whether there is a switch makes no difference.


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