Brexit #2

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 01:00 PM

So ?
A lot appears to depend on how Britain exits Europe, but that doesn't alter the fact that Britain will lose out if they close access to Europe,as they seem hell bent on doing
One of the immediate effects is that Ireland, which now exports via Fishguard will be exporting by sea straight to Europe, which will almost certainly decimate Fishguard as a port
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 12:44 PM

From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 11:36 AM
How about dem apples?

Read the quote in your own post which shows what was being discussed:
"U.K. consumers should brace themselves for some price rises ... on those products for which Britain is almost solely reliant on the EU,” said Harry Smit, a senior analyst at Rabobank.

Clearly that quote is not about South African apples.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 12:14 PM

We all decide for ourselves if something is worth posting, Iains.

I accept the point I made was trivial, both in itself and in the context of the whole Brexit fandango. But in itself it is not entirely devoid of information. It tells everyone, including you of course, that I bothered to open your link, and read it enough to see that repetition. That suggests the site "www.conservativewoman.co.uk" is not, despite its official sounding name, run by some subsection of the Conservatives, where you would expect such posts to be reviewed and such errors spotted. Instead, it looks rather more like some random post by some random blogger who happens to like Rees-Mogg, with the same status as all the posts on here: a personal opinion, but no more.

Further evidence for this is that the domain name 'conservativewoman.co.uk' was registered by "godaddy.com" whose main market is selling domains to private individuals. conservatives.com, the official site, on the other hand, is registered by company dealing with full IT systems.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 11:36 AM

How about dem apples?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 11:35 AM

Fruit and vegetables are displayed for sale at a grocers shop in London, United Kingdom | Christopher Furlong/Getty Images

Brexit will raise imported produce prices by 8 percent
Goods to get more expensive because of border controls.

By        GAŠPER ZAVRŠNIK        3/29/17, 8:40 AM CET Updated 8/17/17, 10:43 PM CET
EU fruit and vegetables imported into the U.K. will become more expensive after Brexit, regardless of the trade deal Britain secures with the bloc, the Guardian reported Wednesday.

Analysts calculated the price of imported food will go up by up to 8 percent as a result of border controls, the paper reported.

Last year the value of imported food and agricultural products to the U.K. was £47.5 billion, of which 71 percent came from the EU.

"U.K. consumers should brace themselves for some price rises ... on those products for which Britain is almost solely reliant on the EU,” said Harry Smit, a senior analyst at Rabobank.

Ian Wright, director general of the Food & Drink Federation trade body, disagreed, saying price fluctuations will depend heavily on the nature of the U.K.’s new initial relationship with the EU, according to the Guardian.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 10:49 AM

Lovely comment in The Sun that shortages of fresh fruit and veg from the EU will only affect effete Londoners who should stop eating foreign food. Some Sun readers grew up eating only seasonal veg grown at home; some think we can get 'fresh' fruit and veg more cheaply from non EU countries because the EU 'fraudulently' keeps the price of them high. If this is so, why have the supermarkets not being doing it anyway?
Because we are required to charge the same 'protectionist' import tariffs as the EU for as long as we are members. Whether the supermarkets buy South African apples from South Africa, or via a supplier in the EU, the price will have been inflated by the EU import tariffs.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 10:09 AM

"I have been thinking we have a Russian operating on this site."
WHY NOT - DON'T THEY GET EVERYWHERE ?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: KarenH
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 10:08 AM

Lovely comment in The Sun that shortages of fresh fruit and veg from the EU will only affect effete Londoners who should stop eating foreign food. Some Sun readers grew up eating only seasonal veg grown at home; some think we can get 'fresh' fruit and veg more cheaply from non EU countries because the EU 'fraudulently' keeps the price of them high. If this is so, why have the supermarkets not being doing it anyway?

Another Sun comment is that under WTO we can suggest a trade deal with no duty either way and no strings attached. I suppose we could suggest it.


Puzzled as usual.


A Sun columnist is arguing that what folk voted for in the ref. was in fact a No Deal Brexit.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: KarenH
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 09:50 AM

Actually since the comment in this that the US in Syria were 'illegal' which reflects what Putin said on the subject I have been thinking we have a Russian operating on this site.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 09:43 AM

A JEWISH VIEW OF LABOUR ANTISEMITISM - NOT IMPORTANT TO SOME
But then again, they hate the Irish and Gypsies and they think Brits who want to stay in Europe are "traitors"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 09:31 AM

Well, Dave, they tried that approach in the last election and were utterly amazed to find that it lost them their majority. So let 'em run with it, sez I!

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 09:21 AM

Minutes from Tory party think tank

Q. We've broken our election promises. What can we do?
A. Call Corbyn an anti-Semite.

Q. We're in the shit about the Windrush immigrants, What can we do?
A. Call Corbyn a terrorist sympathiser.

Q. We've totally screwed the Brexit negotiations. What can we do?
A. Call Corbyn a misogynist

I can't wait for the next cock up.

Q. We lost the election. What can we do?
A. Call Corbyn a one-eyed, one-horned, flyin' purple people eater

It would be really funny if it were not so tragic.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 08:52 AM

Yet another problem for corbyn after
lying again on the BBC

https://order-order.com/2018/12/21/chris-williamson-shares-petition-defending-notorious-anti-semite/

What a shower!

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 08:34 AM

And a very pertinent comment here about the kinds of things which, apparently, are or are not worthy of an apology....

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 08:21 AM

There have been numerous quotes in the Irish press from ex Brexiters wh have changed their minds but daren't go public because of the bullies who have now mobilesed themselves to make sure they don't - jackboots kicking down doors springs to mind
This bullying is perfectly represented here by our own resident would-be bully (if he had a gang to back him up)
Nearly have those who voted "traitors" - what kind of extremist shit is this?
PRETTY WELL SUMMED UP HERE
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 08:10 AM

"From: Backwoodsman - PM
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 05:29 AM
Typical leftard exaggeration. Perhaps you would like to show us all an exanple of brexiteers suggesting killing remainiaca. Or are you guilty of terminological inexactitude? Prove me wrong!"

No exaggeration whatsoever. I've lost count of the number of times I've been told, on other social media sites, that Remainers are 'traitors who should be arrested, marched out and shot', and I'm confident that most, if not all, of the other posters on this and other Brexit threads have seen and/or heard comments of that nature. Do a bit of research, there's plenty of it on, e.g. Leaver FaceBook Pages, Twitter, Righty-websites (you'll get a big kick from trawling through those).

As a matter of lifelong principle, I don't tell lies - your use of the Churchillian 'Terminological Inexactitude' really does underline your ridiculous arrogance and pomposity, BTW - and anyway, I have no need to lie on this topic, there has been plenty of evidence of such outrageous comments, inclouding on TV news Vox-Pop clips, since the Referendum. Clearly, you have selective auditory/visual senses. Your being in denial doesn't detract one iota from the fact.

On a different topic, here is an example of a Tory minister in the House of Commons calling Yvette Cooper a 'bitch'.

When the boot's on the other foot...

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 07:32 AM

Mayomick I think it probably more accurate to say that despite the posturings and threatening from the Taoiseach, his obduracy is not necessarily shared by the Irish government. They know full well that despite reciprocal agreements between the UK and republic, predating the EU, a hard brexit has the potential to devastate Ireland.
Losing the UK landbridge will have immense knock-on effects, especially on prices.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/consumer/project-pricey-16-ways-a-hard-brexit-would-hit-irish-pockets-1.3642215

Such an outcome helps no one!

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 07:26 AM

DMcG:
I agree. Hence the reference to channelling Nigel. Nitpicking is rarely worthy of consideration.

If it's rarely worthy of consideration, why do it. It's a poor excuse to say you're 'channeling' someone else in order to make a post which you then claim is unworthy of consideration.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: mayomick
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 07:12 AM

Two years after their country voted for trade war against its neighbours, British nationalists, Iain and Karen, at last agree on something: that it is unfair for other countries to protect their own national interests. Such narrow-minded nationalism from the Paddies!
Old Moore’s Almanac 2019 prediction   Opposition to Irish chauvinism will unite the Remoaners and Brexiteers .

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 06:34 AM

Twice in that paragraph for a start (channel Nigel here)
I suggest you take your issues with the article to the author/s.
Your petty little post is not worthy of consideration. 


I agree. Hence the reference to channelling Nigel. Nitpicking is rarely worthy of consideration.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 06:12 AM

Twice in that paragraph for a start (channel Nigel here)
I suggest you take your issues with the article to the author/s.
Your petty little post is not worthy of consideration.

From: Backwoodsman - PM
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 05:29 AM
Typical leftard exaggeration. Perhaps you would like to show us all an exanple of brexiteers suggesting killing remainiaca. Or are you guilty of terminological inexactitude? Prove me wrong!

If you don't believe me, risk losing your mates down the pub by asking them what they know about the history of the EU since 1975.
I would posit th eaverage MP ain't too clued up either. So where does that leave your argument?
Below is a fine example of the caliber of our MPs:
Talk about deluded!
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-mp-who-lied-to-avoid-speeding-charge-compares-herself-to-jesus-d9tlpjg2t

She seems a little slow to resign her seat.
However as a Lawyer that pleaded not guilty and was found guilty of perverting the course of justice, I would think slammer time is a likely outcome. Under the Representation of the People Act any MP detained in the UK for more than a year is disqualified from membership of the House of Commons and their seat will be vacated..

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 06:06 AM

Pretty good summing up here
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jacob-rees-mogg-lies-brexit-theresa-may-dream-team-boris-johnson-michael-gove-deceitful-bully-18th-a8194011.html
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 06:06 AM

Pretty good summing up here
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jacob-rees-mogg-lies-brexit-theresa-may-dream-team-boris-johnson-michael-gove-deceitful-bully-18th-a8194011.html
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 05:29 AM

"Philip Collins, in the Times on the 14thof December said it was time the team of JRM 'were taken outside and shot’. Collins didn’t mean this literally, we assume, but still it is somewhat ironic that the Mogg is painted as the extremist when writers use language such as this."

Now where have I heard that kind of extremist language before? Oh yes, it's what knuckle-dragger BrexShitters have, on numerous occasions, told me should happen to Remain voters, because we're 'traitors'.

When the boot's on the other foot... :-/

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 05:20 AM

Too many froms.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 05:08 AM

You don't like my talking about a third referendum (which would be predicated on very different information from that given to voters from the 2016 one), but you're happy to call the latter a second referendum, which was predicated, in your view, on the fact that the EU had become a very different beast, as you've painstakingly spelled out for us in some rather dense prose. Well let's just fantasise a little and guess at the percentage of the 2016 electorate who knew anything at all about your potted history as they voted. I'd guess about one in twenty (OK, Nigel, that isn't a percentage, so 5%?) How about you? In other words, it would be far-fetched to claim that the electorate voted the way they did because they disapproved of the evolution of the EU. I'm claiming that nearly all of them actually knew diddly squat about it. If you don't believe me, risk losing your mates down the pub by asking them what they know about the history of the EU since 1975. One point and fifteen passes, I should think.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 04:58 AM

From that article linked to by Iains:

Jacob Rees-Mogg could become another greasy-pole-climbing, payroll MP. He could just put his head down and hope to make his way into cabinet. But he is no ordinary man; he is a man of principle, courage, honesty, integrity and dignity. He could just put his head down and hope to make his way into cabinet. But he is no ordinary man; he is a man of principle, courage, honesty, integrity and dignity, as we have noted many times on TCW, and Kathy most recently here.

Indeed you have said it many times. Twice in that paragraph for a start (channel Nigel here)

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 04:43 AM

Jacob Rees Mogg Hero of the year!

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/tcw-hero-of-the-year-the-mogg/

"The Leftist media and the Leftist MPs in his own party have gone for him over everything from his Catholicism, the number of kids he has, his suits, to ultimately his political views. Some of this criticism is fair enough; most of the personal attacks most certainly are not. Philip Collins, in the Times on the 14thof December said it was time the team of JRM ‘were taken outside and shot’. Collins didn’t mean this literally, we assume, but still it is somewhat ironic that the Mogg is painted as the extremist when writers use language such as this.
   Jacob Rees-Mogg has faced these relentless, poisonous personal attacks with grace and fortitude. He has never attacked another MP, least of all his Prime Minister, in a personal way. It is this dignity in the face of stone-throwing that drives his opponents crazy"

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 04:38 AM

but I would say to brexiteers, should there be a third referendum,

1) After Labour won under Harold Wilson, a referendum was held on whether to remain in the Communities after a renegotiation of its membership. The result was in favour of remaining. The European Community were three international organizations that were governed by the same set of institutions. These were the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC), the European Atomic Energy Community (EAEC or Euratom), and the European Economic Community (EEC)
2)he Maastricht Treaty built upon the Single European Act and the Solemn Declaration on European Union in the creation of the European Union. The treaty was signed on 7 February 1992 and came into force on 1 November 1993. The Union superseded and absorbed the European Communities as one of its three pillars. The first Commission President following the creation of the EU was Jacques Delors, who briefly continued his previous EEC tenure before handing over to Jacques Santer in 1994.
The Community institutions became the institutions of the EU but the roles of the institutions between the pillars are different. The Commission, Parliament and Court of Justice are largely cut out of activities in the second and third pillars, with the Council dominating proceedings. This is reflected in the names of the institutions, the Council is formally the "Council of the European Union" while the Commission is formally the "Commission of the European Communities". This allowed the new areas to be based on intergovernmentalism (unanimous agreement between governments) rather than majority voting and independent institutions according to supranational democracy. after the Treaty of Maastricht, Parliament gained a much bigger role. Maastricht brought in the codecision procedure, which gave it equal legislative power with the Council on Community matters. Hence, with the greater powers of the supranational institutions and the operation of Qualified Majority Voting in the Council, the Community pillar could be described as a far more federal method of decision making.
The Amsterdam Treaty transferred rule making powers for border controls, immigration, asylum and cooperation in civil and commercial law from the Justice and Home Affairs (JHA) pillar to the European Community (JHA was renamed Police and Judicial Co-operation in Criminal Matters (PJCC) as a result). Both Amsterdam and the Treaty of Nice also extended codecision procedure to nearly all policy areas, giving Parliament equal power to the Council in the Community.

In 2002, the Treaty of Paris which established the European Coal and Steel Community (one of the three communities which comprised the European Communities) expired, having reached its 50-year limit (as the first treaty, it was the only one with a limit). No attempt was made to renew its mandate; instead, the Treaty of Nice transferred certain of its elements to the Treaty of Rome and hence its work continued as part of the EEC area of the Community's remit.

The Treaty of Lisbon merged the three pillars and abolished the European Community; with the European Union becoming the Community's legal successor. Only one of the three European Communities still exists and the phrase "European Communities" no longer appears in the treaties.
The European Union has seven principal decision making bodies, its institutions: the European Parliament, the European Council, the Council of the European Union, the European Commission, the Court of Justice of the European Union, the European Central Bank and the European Court of Auditors. Competence in scrutinising and amending legislation is shared between the Council of the European Union and the European Parliament, while executive tasks are performed by the European Commission and in a limited capacity by the European Council (not to be confused with the aforementioned Council of the European Union). The monetary policy of the eurozone is determined by the European Central Bank. The interpretation and the application of EU law and the treaties are ensured by the Court of Justice of the European Union. The EU budget is scrutinised by the European Court of Auditors. There are also a number of ancillary bodies which advise the EU or operate in a specific area.

The United Kingdom European Union membership referendum, 2016, 23 June 2016, 51.9% to leave, turnout 72.2%

The second referendum in the uk was for a very different entity to that voted for under Wilson's government. Primarily as a result of the Maastricht treaty.

Therefore to talk of a possible 3rd referendum is a bit of a misleading, simplistic distortion.
From 1975 to present the EU has morphed from an economic union to an increasingly political union, usurping national identities and rights of self government.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 03:14 AM

Rees-Mogg and co have been making that argument since the referendum, so there is little justification in the Express repeating it now - the EU have always been clear they don't want a hard border either in any circumstances. But there is a world of difference between what people want and what the law and circumstances may oblige them to do.

Einstein is often attributed with the saying "Everything should be as simple and possible but no simpler." (Actually, what he said was more complicated than that! :) .) The Irish border has been the subject of intense negotiation between the UK and the EU. As Mogg was saying that while the negotiations were happening, it is incredibly unlikely it was not considered and rejected as unworkable.

We have discussed lots of variations of this in this thread or its predecessor. As with most subtopics, we have not got beyond and assertion it could work with no explanation of how that can cope with all the differing requirements of the 'users'.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 03:01 AM

Wonderful article from The London Economic

Enjoy :-)

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: KarenH
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 02:45 AM

There is all this talk about customs work being done without a hard border, but as I understand it this will/would take years to develop.
They'll have to start charging tariffs to goods from Northern Ireland when we come out, so something will have to be done. I predict a lot of criminality/smuggling - possibly in both directions.

But Rees Mogg assumes that the UK won't want to put up hard borders ie it will stick to the Good Friday agreement.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Dec 18 - 08:19 PM

I think you may have got it right first time.

With the UK being tied to WTO rules after a hard Brexit, the only way to avoid a hard border in Ireland would be for Northern Ireland to become a member of the WTO in its own right, separate from the rest of the UK. I somehow can't see the DUP going for that, though it would make some sense. Or rather, because it would make some sense, as a step towards a two Ireland constitutional arrangement outside the UK. Here's an RTÉ story on that.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: KarenH
Date: 20 Dec 18 - 07:03 PM

Woops, should have been 'shut down'.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: KarenH
Date: 20 Dec 18 - 07:01 PM

Rees Moggie has the solution: he says

If Ireland had no intention of setting up customs checkpoints along the politically-sensitive frontier, there is no need for the contentious Irish backstop element of Theresa May’s deal.

According to the Express, Rees Moggie has 'shit down' the argument about the backstop with this 'simple' solution.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Dec 18 - 06:56 PM

https://www.facebook.com/904705202/posts/10161155567570203/

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Dec 18 - 06:27 PM

I note that a YouGov poll is now giving remain a 59-41 lead over May's deal. Not that I'd rely on such things over-much, but I would say to brexiteers, should there be a third referendum, be very afraid...

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Dec 18 - 05:59 PM

And of course he spoke up in support of Trump, and denounced those who find it hard to accept him as president. Just because 2 million more people voted for his opponent than voted for him...

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Dec 18 - 05:55 PM

I see that in his end- of-year news conference Vladimir Putin has been talking about Brexit and declared himself fervently in the support of the view that a second chance for people in the UK to vote on this would be an offence against democracy. And of course everyone knows how strongly he supports all democratic principles.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: KarenH
Date: 20 Dec 18 - 05:48 PM

"dragged back to the house"? I think not.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Dec 18 - 04:25 PM

I've done it again (or my computer has). That second "didn't" should havebeen "did". I thought I'd better point that out before Nigel does.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Dec 18 - 04:21 PM

When did "woman" become "a profane expression", the use of which "betrays a person's low breeding"?

Since the word is in no way offensive, and the adjective attached to it was perfectly appropriate in face of Theresa May's loudmouthed panto performance - look at the video - there would have been no reason for Jeremy saying he didn’t mutter it if he didn't. As I point out, words muttered are far less easy to unambiguously interpret than if he had been speaking out, or shouting in the same way as Theresa May had been doing.

This is a phoney diversion, transparently so.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Dec 18 - 04:21 PM

When did "woman" become "a profane expression", the use of which "betrays a person's low breeding"?

Since the word is in no way offensive, and the adjective attached to it was perfectly appropriate in face of Theresa May's loudmouthed panto performance - look at the video - there would have been no reason for Jeremy saying he didn’t mutter it if he didn't. As I point out, words muttered are far less easy to unambiguously interpret than if he had been speaking out, or shouting in the same way as Theresa May had been doing.

This is a phoney diversion, transparently so.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Dec 18 - 04:02 PM

This is all very silly. Jezza didn't actually *say* anything. He mouthed it. It was sotto voce. Muttered at best. Inaudible. His critics like to claim that he *said* a thing because they wanted him to say it. Jaysus, let's get the best friggin' lipreader in town, fellow Tories. We're desperate. We simply must get something, anything, on this man. They also wanted him to be a friend of Hamas. They wanted him to be an antisemite. It's very odd, this wanting someone to be horrible. Well I'd prefer a world in which no-one was horrible, frankly. Let's judge people on what they actually do or actually say (out loud, infinitely preferably). Let's grow up, in other words. Nothing to see (or hear) here. Move on.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 20 Dec 18 - 02:39 PM

OH! Look what Guido's found:

https://order-order.com/2018/12/20/ireland-no-deal-no-hard-border/

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Dec 18 - 02:26 PM

...or when Phillip Hammond mouthed the same words back in July.

Hypocrites, the lot of them.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Dec 18 - 02:22 PM

Funny how our resident right wingers come over all pro feminist when Corbyn is accused of something he may or may not have said yet kept quiet when proven sex pest and misogynist Andrew Griffiths had the party whip restored just in time for a crucial vote...

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 20 Dec 18 - 02:10 PM

Raggy who cares what the squeaker says. I said experts, not a weasel.

Like little jimmie you need to read, assimilate, and think before
posting otherwise you may end up looking as stupid as him.

A complete waste of time asking little jimmie to provide proof of his statements below. He never has before when challenged. A measure of the man I feel.
""A single profane expression betrays a person's low breeding."
Have you counted your insults and racist jibes lately.
I do not make racist jibes and neither do I insult people, I merely describe them accurately.

However I keep a file of his more outrageous allegations, because he has a nasty habit of denying the content of his posts. Others posting here have more integrity, making such extreme measures unnecessary.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Raggytash
Date: 20 Dec 18 - 01:45 PM

Ye Gods, clutching at straws or what.

One point though Iains the speaker quite clearly said that the people who maintained Corbyn said 'stupid woman' were not experts. You, I am sure, are well aware of that so you are lying to us all.

Should we go get a rope and find a tree ?

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Dec 18 - 01:41 PM

""A single profane expression betrays a person's low breeding."
Have you counted your insults and racist jibes lately
You're a bigger joke than your mate

If the Tory party were i the slightest bit concerned about the position of women in Parliament would they have ever appointed Creepy- Crawly Johnson, (who thinks the term 'Foreign Relations has "Sexual" in the middle) in a senior position ?
Jim Carroll