Brexit #2

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 12:56 PM

Well then Reformer Jim I'm sure you can Re-form Bannon into something no self respecting Nazi could stomach. Defame to deflate and defeat.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 12:56 PM

"outright plagiarism."
As you're fond of saying - oh dear !!

A cabal the brightest of BLUE
One day planned a leadership coup
This sad bunch of tossers all aspired to be bosses
And flushed the poor Brits down the loo

All my own work
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 01:08 PM

People like Bannon, Trump and Farage are the symptoms of the rather than the disease itself - the buboes in the armpit of society
Jim

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 01:14 PM

Tory colours are dark blue, derived from the Union Jack. Your own work shows the usual deficiencies. Oh dear!

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Raggytash
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 01:20 PM

So do your Iains, the Union Flag is only correctly named a "Union Jack" when it is flown on the Jack Staff of a ship.

If you really want to be a little Englander at least learn your history.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 01:30 PM

Not only chief advisor for Trump white nationalism, Bannon is steering fascism in the UK, in case you missed this Wiki nugget.
I am sure more is to come about Bannon from Mueller as well.

European politics
Bannon has announced plans to move to Brussels for half the year to launch a new political operation to unite populist parties across Europe before the European Parliament election. He has formed a foundation for nationalist parties called The Movement.

Brazilian elections
In August 2018, Bannon met with Eduardo Bolsonaro, the son of far-right candidate Jair Bolsonaro, and serves as informal advisor to the Bolsonaro campaign in the Brazilian presidential elections.

Political beliefs
Bannon told Michael Lewis in February 2018, "We got elected on Drain the Swamp, Lock Her Up, Build a Wall. This was pure anger. Anger and fear is what gets people to the polls." He added, "The Democrats don't matter. The real opposition is the media. And the way to deal with them is to flood the zone with shit."

Individual issues
Bannon has advocated reductions in immigration and restrictions on free trade, particularly with China and Mexico. He is in favor of raising federal income taxes to 44% for those earning incomes over $5 million a year as a way to pay for middle class tax cuts.[49] He also supports significantly increasing spending on infrastructure, describing himself as "the guy pushing a trillion-dollar infrastructure plan". Bannon is opposed to government bailouts, describing them as "socialism for the very wealthy".[197] He generally believes in reducing the size of the federal bureaucracy, declaring at the Conservative Political Action Conference he favored the "deconstruction of the administrative state". However, he does support increased regulation of Internet companies like Facebook and Google, which he regards as akin to utilities in the modern age. He opposed the merger between Time-Warner and AT&T on antitrust grounds. He was a strong opponent of the Paris climate agreement within the administration, successfully persuading the President to withdraw from it.

On overseas military intervention
He is generally skeptical of military intervention abroad, opposing proposals for the expansion of U.S. involvement in the War in Afghanistan,[50] the Syrian Civil War, and the crisis in Venezuela. On the Middle East
Bannon strongly favors U.S. withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal,[206] and was supportive of the approach taken by Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman during the 2017 Qatar diplomatic crisis and the 2017 Saudi Arabian purge.[citation needed] He believes Qatar is "no less dangerous" than North Korea.

Bannon believes Iran, Turkey and China are forming a "new axis" to challenge the West, and has described Turkey as "the greatest danger facing the United States" and "far more dangerous than Iran".[208]

Bannon reportedly speaks often with Trump donor Sheldon Adelson, and has been alarmed at a push for a renewed Middle East peace process.[210] He has described Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas as a "terrorist". He has advocated giving the land in the West Bank to Jordan and in Gaza to Egypt.

On the UK
Although Bannon initially favored the British National Party (BNP) and the English Defense League (EDL) in the United Kingdom, he later backed the UK Independence Party (UKIP).

Nigel Farage, the former leader of UKIP, once presented Bannon with a portrait of Bannon dressed as Napoleon Bonaparte. Bannon has encouraged Farage to return as leader of UKIP.

Bannon has called for the release of former EDL leader Tommy Robinson from prison, describing him as the "backbone" of Britain.

Bannon has also called for a revolt in the United Kingdom should the country adopt a soft Brexit, stating, "If I was in middle England and said this wasn't what I voted for I would rise up and make sure the guys in parliament knew it." When asked whether this should be interpreted as a "call to arms", he replied: "Absolutely".

Bannon has met with Jacob Rees-Mogg, a prospective candidate for the leadership of the country's Conservative Party, describing him as "one of the best thinkers in the conservative movement on a global basis."

Bannon has also urged Boris Johnson, another potential leadership contender, who Bannon said in July 2018 that he had known "over the last year" and was "very impressed" with, to challenge Prime Minister Theresa May. According to a Buzzfeed News report, Bannon was in private contact with Johnson during his visit to Britain that month, and the two men were previously in text communication during their respective tenures as White House Chief Strategist and British Foreign Secretary.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 01:37 PM

"Tory colours are dark blue, derived from the Union Jack. "
What an ignorant soul you are
If you knew what you were talking about you would realise that this forum only gives one choice of any colour
How frigging petty can you get - beats typos into back place anyday
You really aren't very good at this are you
Wanna try another flyting (look it up) ?
Tosser !!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 02:03 PM

"So do your Iains, the Union Flag is only correctly named a "Union Jack" when it is flown on the Jack Staff of a ship."
OBVIOUSLY NOT
Not the brightest Iron Cross on the uniform, is he ?
Jim

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 02:18 PM

Apparently the Nationalists will own the UK, they try harder and are more focused.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 02:56 PM

So do your Iains, the Union Flag is only correctly named a "Union Jack" when it is flown on the Jack Staff of a ship

That may well explain the orgin of the term but present usage is either Union Jack or Union Flag regardless of how or where displayed. Only vexillologists make a distinction.AS wiki states" Even if the term "Union Jack" does derive from the jack flag (as perhaps seems most likely), after three centuries, it is now sanctioned by usage, has appeared in official usage, and remains the popular term. The BBC website disregards the term "union flag" because of its "great potential for confusion", preferring union jack (in lower case) The Merchant Shipping Act 1995 refers to the national colours of the United Kingdom as "the Union flag (commonly known as the Union Jack)".

As you so like to malign the illustrious font of all knowledge Guido Fawkes. Here are a few tasties to redress the balance:
labour mp charged perverting course of justice

sex abuse allegations labour
Elliot Morley
Former environment minister and Labour MP for Scunthorpe
Offence – Pleaded guilty to fraudulently claiming £32,000 of parliamentary expenses.
David Chaytor
Former Labour MP for Bury North
Offence – Pleaded guilty to three counts of false accounting relating to approximately £18,000 of parliamentary expenses.
Eric Illsley
Former Labour MP for Barnsley Central
Offence – Pleaded guilty to fraudulently claiming £14,000 in parliamentary expenses.
Jim Devine
Former Labour MP for Livingston
Offence – Found guilty of dishonestly claiming £8,385 in parliamentary expenses.

Never learn do you?          John 8:7

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 03:13 PM

"You are the epitome of the pig-ignorant Sun-reading, brainless bloody prole. And you're even a bit shit at geology. I'm not even a geologist, and I can see it. It's late. Sleep tight, "fellah."

Prole?????

The working class can kiss my a***s
I've got the bosses job and class

Ode to stevie blunder(the union activist

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 03:22 PM

There was a fine fellow named Jake
Who believed a great leader he'd make
But he thought it more canny to first go and ask Nanny.
She said, "Yes dear; but first, eat up your cake"

or
There once was a lessie named Tess
Got the country in such a fine
But instead of resigning she sat at home whining:
"I'm afraid we'll just settle for less
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 03:28 PM

There once was a writer named Staines
Who, for stories, dredged sewers and drains
But on being found out, he gave a loud shout;
"How would you do with just shit for brains?"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 03:49 PM

"Ode to stevie blunder(the union activist"
No bright eunuch tae mak' yer ain laddie ?
Whit a TOSSER - roll on the next Games
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 04:57 PM

I am the only one who finds it amusing the Tory blue is derived from the Scottish part of Union flag?

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 05:10 PM

You asking us, or telling   us?

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 05:13 PM

It is valid English form, Iains, though less common than the 'Am I'. I am sure Nigel will be along to explain it shortly.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 05:21 PM

Data data everywhere but not a drop of wisdom
I exaggerate but which will come first, a revolution by idiots or a World War?
You can try and talk Tom Cruise out of Scientology if you think you can change anyone's political persuasion.
It is only how effective you make your own base that counts.
There are more posts about underlying fear than uniting your base.
Anything else is just political masturbation until you make each others head pop.

The most effective thing I can do for this crew is to shut the fuck up and watch the apocalypse on TV even if one person can make a difference. It ain't me babe no no no it ain't me

There are more positive threads like How many, amazing dog, recipes, should be banned.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 07:31 PM

"The working class can kiss my a***s
I've got the bosses job and class"

Gosh. You got "Union Jack" all wrong and you've now managed to utterly mash up this couplet.

For your info, it goes:

"The working class can kiss my ass
I've got the foreman's job at last"

I could mention the rather excessive number of asterisks you employed in "a***s", not to speak of the illiterate "bosses", but I suppose you've probably had a hard day and that we should let that pass...

Worth remembering, perhaps, next time you prattle on (as you do) about someone else's typographical peccadillos...

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 03:29 AM

Bosses = plural possessive of boss's. If no S to pronounce then no apostrophe either.
Call yourself well educated? What a fool!

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 03:40 AM

The above was a windup.It should of course be bosses'

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 04:19 AM

So the government is imploding, the Sunday Times reports preparations being made for troops on the street, the arch Leaver Leadsom and my local MP Royston Smith both putting in writing that May's deal is worse than remaining (but both declining to confirm that if their choice was between only those two they would go for remain), five of so members of the cabinet thinking they can change the wording of the backstop agreement in a few days, impervious to the knowledge this has been the main focus of the negotiations for months, the Labour party appearing to be demanding its own equally unachievable form of Brexit agreement...


And we argue about apostrophes?

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 05:01 AM

The Leave-Muppets argue about about apostrophes because the truth about their ludicrous fantasies is being laid bare, and they have nothing left. Some good stuff here...

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 05:11 AM

Even Michael Heseltine, arch tory, says we should hold another referendum saying that future generations we not forgive us if we leave.

Link

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 06:40 AM

You wont catch me arguing about apostrophe's.

We are truly living in a nightmare. The Tories will make it even worse if they try the confidence trick. They'll lose and that'll mean she's there for another year minimum. And I really can't see what difference another Tory leader would make. Theresa May is actually garnering sympathy, thoroughly undeserved, all round except from those hard-bitten brain-dead twats on the right wing of her party. To compound the nightmare, I'm certain that Corbyn wouldn't do any better if he suddenly found himself in charge. Having been utterly against it until now, I've come to the conclusion that another referendum is the only way out of this morass. It'll mean no brexit and big trouble for years to come, but that would be a damn sight better than the prospect we're facing now.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 08:39 AM

"You wont catch me arguing about apostrophe's. "
Give them a break Steve
If they have nothing else, they have to argue about something

A street walker named Maggie May
Walked her beat 'round Westminster one day
She met with four knobs, all after her job,
"You can have it, but you'll have to pay"
Jim

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 09:45 AM

From: DMcG - PM
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 05:13 PM
It is valid English form, Iains, though less common than the 'Am I'. I am sure Nigel will be along to explain it shortly.
Sorry, no. I cannot find a valid construction that would make: I am the only one who finds it amusing the Tory blue is derived from the Scottish part of Union flag? into a valid question, despite the question mark at the end.
For it to be a question you would need to change the start to "Am I . . ." or, add something at the end, such as "I am the only one who finds it amusing the Tory blue is derived from the Scottish part of Union flag, am I not?
You might get it accepted in spoken English as then tone of voice can be added, which helps indicate from the start that it is intended as a question. That doesn't work in print. It would work, possibly, if we introduced the Spanish practice of starting sentences with inverted punctuation.

As to the use of "Union jack" I also used to argue that it was not strictly correct. But I have since been informed that it is perfectly valid. The following page shows that not only does the usage pre-date the term "jackstaff", but that it also has parliamentary backing. Flag institute.org
I still usually term it the Union flag, if only to avoid starting long discussions.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 10:31 AM

It seems to me that 'Union Jack' and typos have suddenly come into fashion when the Brexiteers ran out of explanations for this appalling shambles
Does anybody really care ?
It seems to me that the only thing to have come out of this 'Little Britain' decision so far is the destabilisation and almost inevitable destruction if the Conservative Party
I'd salute any flag to see that happen
Rule Britannia eh what !!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 11:27 AM

Nigel, most people on this site do not hold degree in English Language. We type more or less as we speak.

To nickpick about the use of language is exactly that nitpicking.

Please try and tell me something positive about the UK leaving the EU.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 11:51 AM

It is not usually a good idea to try to explain humour, but I thought it was obvious to all and sundry that my writing "I am" rather than "Am I" was an error. If you are concerned enough, it arose because I was originally written as a sentence and part of the way through I changed, but because I am not writing for a textbook or thesis but am making a throw away remark I did not treat it as if it had any great significance so did not eliminate that mistake.

Secondly, by sheer chance the mistake led to a valid English sentence with the same meaning. Conversational English is valid English. Literary English is not the only valid form, though I expect we can find examples of that form in literary works if we cared to look.

Thirdly it must have been obvious, surely, that saying "Nigel will explain it" was a gentle dig at your tendency to argue
about any grammatical faux pas, even if it is of no significance whatever. Actually responding is a touch silly.

So a joke. Maybe not a good one, but a joke nevertheless.

Now do you want to say anything whatsoever relevant to the Brexit deal, the current state of the government, the Sunday Times report on military preparations? Or any aspect of Brexit?

Yours, with tongue in cheek,
DMcG

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 11:54 AM

And there are some 'I' in that which should be 'it's. That's autotext combined with using my phone keyboard and typing while I am in the passenger seat of a car.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 02:19 PM

Nigel is wrong. Whether or not a sentence is a question is entirely a matter of context. Try this:

"I'll be home on Wednesday, Mum."

"You won't be here on Tuesday?"

No, sorry, Mum."

That works perfectly both in print and in speech. This is a path not worth following, Nigel.

Now let's discuss instead whether Theresa will still be here on Tuesday... :-)

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 02:20 PM

And thanks in advance for telling me that I missed out a speech mark!

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: The Sandman
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 03:07 PM

I THINK SHE WILL BE,Because the tory mps know that the alternatives are more incompetent

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 05:27 PM

I agree, and I also think that the general election that Labour is baying for would solve nothing whatever the outcome. The only way out of this is the abandonment of brexit, and it looks like the only way to achieve that would be another referendum, a prospect that I abhor but which I'm beginning to think I should now support.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 03:07 AM

Not sure the Labour Party is baying for an election, though, if the Tory dissidents get their way, I think one would be inevitable
No Government can possibly survive a major defeat of this nature
This has long ceased to be about leaving Europe to Mogg and Johnson - it has become their crawkling-board to leadership.
Labour would be lacking in its duty to allow them get there
May is bad enough, but these people are truely the dregs of British politics - old school thugs of the worst kind
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Thompson
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 04:12 AM

I don’t think the British can abandon Brexit at this stage. This insanity has become their norm, even if they pull down the whole western economy with them. The best thing Europe can do is to try to quarantine them so the other economies won’t be infected.

God help them. Apparently frozen food is being stockpiled in huge quantities by British wholesalers.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 04:26 AM

There may be less stockpiling than you think

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 04:32 AM

Mrs. Backwoodsperson and I were discussing the calamitous debacle of BrexShit yesterday, and she reminded me of a 'vox-pop' on one of the BBC news programmes a couple of weeks after the Referendum. The interviewee, a typical Leaver (two-sizes-too-small sweat-shirt, jogging bottoms, un-combed hair, no front teeth) wanted to know why, two weeks after 'the cuntry voted to Leave', we still hadn't 'left Europe'.

"Why are we still in Europe?" he demanded, "We voted to Leave Europe. We should just leave now - today - it's simple!".

Maybe they should have signed him on as Brexit Secretary there and then. He couldn't have done any worse a job than The Praying Mantis and her bunch of Muppets.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 05:04 AM

"The Praying Mantis "
Preying mantis, you mean ?
Have to be careful that our own muppets don't catch you out on your spelling !!
Jim

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 05:19 AM

"The Praying Mantis "
Preying mantis, you mean ?
Have to be careful that our own muppets don't catch you out on your spelling !!

No need, if you're going to do it. However, Backwoodsman used the correct spelling for the insect also known as Mantis religiosa.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 05:36 AM

A joke Nigel preying - praying
It seems our brothers on the right need a sense of humour transplant as well as a conscience
Jim :-)

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 06:20 AM

A prime example of the level of intellect of Leavers....and this one is an MP, elected to take part in making the important decisions that affect all our lives!

We're doomed, ah tell ye, doo-o-o-oomed! :-(

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 06:35 AM

Indeed. I remind you of my earlier post. the arch Leaver Leadsom and my local MP Royston Smith both putting in writing that May's deal is worse than remaining (but both declining to confirm that if their choice was between only those two they would go for remain).

So they assert "A is worse than B". "And, if you are forced to choose between them because your preference C is not available?" The worse one, A, as far as we can tell.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 10:16 AM

" The only way out of this is the abandonment of brexit, and it looks like the only way to achieve that would be another referendum, a prospect that I abhor but which I'm beginning to think I should now support."

But the cry of the leftards is that the valiant brexiteers are too stupid to know what they voted for.
As per the backward man:Date: 29 Aug 18 - 04:15 PM

And the resident troll objects to me referring to Brexiters as 'dumbfucks'? Obviously hit a nerve there.

But if all the leavers change their minds and vote "Remain" where will this sudden flash of 'intelligence' come from?
Answer me that!

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 10:28 AM

I don't always succeed, by any means, but I do try to distinguish between Leavers and Brexiteers. Leavers, on a balance of probability and their assessments, came to the conclusion that to go was the most appropriate vote. Brexiteers are those of an ERG-like ideological commitment to leaving whatever the damage over the "short term". The first group will weigh the evidence again and may come to same conclusion or change. The second will not.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 10:30 AM

And, for the benefit of the Chief Dumbfuck on here, here are eleven things you thought you voted for, but which have been abandoned - and we haven't even had BrexShit yet!

Never have so many feeble-minded, racist, xenophobic simpletons been led by the nose by so few...

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 10:38 AM

"But if all the leavers change their minds and vote "Remain" "
Nothing to do with the end result, as you have been told numerous times - nobody knows what the result of a second referendum will be
Brexit was sold on a hate package without being aware of the consequences - now those consequences have become more clear, the people who voted are entitled to confirm their support or change their mind
Those who mistrusted politicians enough not to vote are entitled to rethink their position
Democracy should never be restricted by a 'caveat emptor' clause - that would require everybody being told everything from the beginning
The shits who pushed this through have persistently blamed the people for the result "that's what the people wanted" - pig in a pole politics
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 10:44 AM

Never have so many feeble-minded, racist, xenophobic simpletons been led by the nose by so few..

Sounds like a perfect description of the leftard pack trying to dominate this thread.
And below is a gem from Guido:
The CBI has endorsed Theresa May’s draft withdrawal agreement, Guido thought it would be a good time to remind younger readers of its long and distinguished history of making bad political calls:

    In the 1930s it supported appeasement.
    In the 1940s it supported nationalisation.
    In the 1950s it supported state planning.
    In the 1960s it supported tripartite industrial relations.
    In the 1970s it supported price controls.
    In the 1980s it opposed getting tough with the USSR.
    In the 1990s it supported the ERM.
    In the 2000s it supported joining the Euro.
    In the 2010s it supported Remain…
    … and now it has declared its support for May’s draft withdrawal agreement.

Not exactly a laudable record…

And what is labours brexit policy these days? They ring the changes faster than a madras hitting the porcelain throne.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 10:50 AM

...and now the self-same dumbfucks are being led by the nose by a Right-Wing Extremist, racist criminal. Dumbuck is as dumbfuck does.

And Labour's policy on BrexShit is immaterial. In case it's a bit too difficult for you to understand, I'll explain - Labour aren't the party-of-Government, your Tories are, and a damn fine mess they're making of everything, BrexShit included.