Brexit #2

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: KarenH
Date: 19 Dec 18 - 07:38 AM

It's not looking good for the Brexiteers I was talking to who hoped all the Romanians (they thought all Romanians were gypsies) would be going home after Brexit. Except for racist aggro which might do the trick and which probably will intensify after No Deal Day.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: KarenH
Date: 19 Dec 18 - 07:34 AM

More info on No Deal documents and q and answer pdf

https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/contingency-qanda_en.pdf

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: KarenH
Date: 19 Dec 18 - 07:30 AM

The Guardian has another article arguing that the WTO option isn't the saviour it is cracked up to be. That Weatherspoons chappie and Rees Bogg both see it as better than the EU. The former thinks we will once again be 'the champions of free trade'.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/19/wto-brexit-trade-uk-economy

The article questions the equation of 'British' and 'Free Trade'.

And quite rightly, we didn't obtain an empire by paying respect to the free trading choices of others.

The article also explains that all the states which are members of it also have 'side agreements' for trading, as not all of them actually agree with the abolition of all trade tariffs. We could of course put Trump on this list.

Looking to the EU, where so many British businesses trade, does this mean we could get round EU tariffs on our goods by joining or becoming more active in the EU?

But the WTO isn't part of Farage's arguments, he thinks we will be more 'competitive' against EU countries when we have left. Not sure why this should be.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 19 Dec 18 - 07:03 AM

I am quite aware of your links Iains, the second one was where I got my figures from. The first highlights the inflationary effect of exchange rate depreciation. Its not just "holiday Euros", its the cost of practically everything we buy.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Dec 18 - 07:01 AM

"dream that" of course, so I don't have to respond to Braindead Bertie's grasping of typos
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Dec 18 - 07:01 AM

"dream that" of course, so I don't have to respond to Braindead Bertie's grasping of typos
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Dec 18 - 06:59 AM

Did I ream hat Britain plans to mobilise troops to handle the crises arising from a hard Brexit ?

Good to see that people are largely ignoring this moronic Guido disciple
Keep it up
Jim carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 19 Dec 18 - 06:54 AM

Steve, I think if you talked to Greeks with savings, they are rather glad that they have not been placed in a depreciating currency.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 19 Dec 18 - 06:51 AM

Is whinging about the exchange rate for your holiday euros not overlooking the true impact of fluctuating exchange rates? The rates react to market realities with a direct impact on employment and inflation. Your" poor" deal may be keeping your neighbours in work
Below: A primer


https://www.tutor2u.net/economics/reference/exchange-rates-macroeconomic-effects-of-currency-fluctuations

scroll down to graphic
https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/bank-of-england-spot/historical-spot-exchange-rates/gbp/GBP-to-EUR

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 19 Dec 18 - 06:34 AM

Is this crying wolf, or a cause for concern?


https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/dec/06/central-bank-warnings-are-getting-louder-and-more-frequent-howard-davies

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 19 Dec 18 - 06:26 AM

" The Euro provides stability and certainty, it would as its backed by a strong economy. It stops politicians from meddling with its value for their short term gain, and to our long term detriment"

below:Joseph E Stiglitz is a Nobel laureate in economics, university professor at Columbia University and chief economist at the Roosevelt Institute. The article is 6 months old. Recent events rather confirm his thesis.


https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jun/13/euro-growth-eurozone-joseph-stiglitz
and

https://www.globalchange.com/future-of-euro-and-breakup-of-the-eu.htm#
STABILITY AND CERTAINTY?   I think not!

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Dec 18 - 06:15 AM

Well in a way we are agreeing. But the euro has not been good for some countries with smaller economies. I don't think that Greece would agree that the euro has been good for them or for a number of other states in southern Europe. When they get into straits they can't devalue. That's a major issue for them.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 19 Dec 18 - 05:55 AM

I don't agree Steve, when the Euro became an accounting currency in 1999 the pound was 1.4 Euros, when the notes and coins were issued in 2002 it was 1.6. Now it's 1.1. That is a direct depreciation in the value of our savings and earnings of between 25% and 40% depending upon the date. The Euro provides stability and certainty, it would as its backed by a strong economy. It stops politicians from meddling with its value for their short term gain, and to our long term detriment. I have a lot more time for Gordon Brown than many people, but opposing us going into the Euro was his one big mistake.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Dec 18 - 05:12 AM

I've never completely swallowed the received wisdom that the UK staying out the single currency was a Good Thing for us. Although I agree that the euro was a terrible mistake that would forever blight the smaller and poorer member states, I can't see that the same would have applied to us. I don't think you'll hear too many Germans moaning that the euro was a kick in the goolies for them. We're definitely more in their league than some of those smaller and poorer states are. But I do agree that it was a bloody bad idea.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 19 Dec 18 - 05:03 AM

Yesterday Labour’s NEC decided not to endorse Rebecca Gordon-Nesbitt as a candidate on the basis that she had brought the Labour Party into disrepute. In a late night posting on Facebook she blamed Guido for her demise as a candidate:
Does Labour really want such people. Their image needs a bit of polish
these days. Guido should be congratulated for his diligence.

https://order-order.com/2018/12/19/labours-nec-drops-south-thanet-candidate-hitler-tweets/

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 19 Dec 18 - 04:53 AM

"All in all, the future of Belgium looks brighter than ours."

Well I hope you are right but the runes say otherwise. EU citizens are getting fed up, as has been amply demonstrated over the last weeks.

https://www.socialeurope.eu/social-democrats-must-say-another-globalisation-is-possible


https://www.wibc.com/blogs/tony-katz/morning-news/riots-france-reveal-greater-truth-about-governments-and-ideologues

And of course fettering disparate economies within a single currency was doomed from the outset. The great north south divide in europe is far greater than that in the uk. Yet the great game of eunacy continues, oblivious to all reality. When the next major economic contraction occurs even more will be on the streets. It will be game over when troops are deployed as well.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 04:28 PM

Michel is a soft right politician who went into coalition with a far right party who then decided he wasn't far enough right and walked out. Sound familiar? But it is the socialists and the Greens who have brought him down, and maybe they can profit from his demise. All in all, the future of Belgium looks brighter than ours.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 03:22 PM

You haven't seen him beaten in debate - the 'Have I Got News For You team made him look the arse-hole he is with no effort whatever

Another stunning example of a non sequitur! You have a rare skill in constructing them. But. Do they really aid your argument or just make you look ..........?

Breaking news:
BELGIUM CHAOS: Prime Minister RESIGNS as UN migrant pact crisis ERUPTS

BELGIUM’S Prime Minister Charles Michel has quit after losing a vote of no confidence, Belgian media reports.

Another politician that does not know how to listen!

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 02:51 PM

"His intellect is streets ahead of Corbyn,"
Another hidden talent he's kept hidden undet his ridiculous top hat}Moggy is living proof that education has nothing to do with intelligence
The fact that he can demand May's resignation in one breath and congratulate her for uniting the Tory party with the other - a hypocrite and an idiot

You haven't seen him beaten in debate - the 'Have I Got News For You team made him look the arse-hole he is with no effort whatever
For Christs sake, he's a bigger caricature than your lover, Guido
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 02:03 PM

I was remiss in referring to 3500 armed forces. What was identified was "3500 service personnel." You know, cooks, filing clerks, medics, HR staff, radio operators....

Any suggestion weaponry might be involved is an assumption ....

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 12:22 PM

3500 nowhere near enough, their own advisors say that 3500 are only enough to secure London.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 12:22 PM

"WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR DAUGHTER TO BRING HOME THIS MAN ?"

An article from CQ magazine:(B)GQ is an international monthly men's magazine based in New York City and founded in 1931. The publication focuses on fashion, style, and culture for men, though articles on food, movies, fitness, sex, music, travel, sports, technology, and books are also featured.(/B)
Yeah just the place to find a reasoned article on the mighty Rees Mogg.I cannot see any heading he would fit into!
His intellect is streets ahead of Corbyn, I have yet to see the beeb beat him in an interview, or parliamentarians beat him in debating skills.
The link was about the level to be expected from the contributor. A link to a comic!

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: The Sandman
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 11:47 AM

could it be flouride in the water that makes the english and irish so passive
Ireland

Near the end of 2015, Ireland was the only country in the European Union with a nationwide mandate for water fluoridation.[18][82][83]

The majority of drinking water is fluoridated. In 2012, roughly 3.25 million people received artificially-fluoridated water.[22] Almost 71% of the population in 2002 resided in fluoridated communities.[84] The fluoridation agent used is hydrofluorosilicic acid (HFSA; H2SiF6).[85] In a 2002 public survey, 45% of respondents expressed some concern about fluoridation.[86]

In 1957, the Department of Health established a Fluorine Consultative Council which recommended fluoridation at 1.0 ppm of public water supplies, then accessed by approximately 50% of the population.[87] This was felt to be a much cheaper way of improving the quality of children's teeth than employing more dentists.[88] This led to the Health (Fluoridation of Water Supplies) Act 1960, which mandated compulsory fluoridation by local authorities.[88][89] The statutory instruments made in 1962–65 under the 1960 Act were separate for each local authority, setting the level of fluoride in drinking water to 0.8–1.0 ppm.[90][91] The current regulations date from 2007, and set the level to 0.6–0.8 ppm, with a target value of 0.7 ppm.[92]

Implementation of fluoridation was held up by preliminary dental surveying and water testing,[93] and a court case, Ryan v. Attorney General.[94] In 1965, the Supreme Court rejected Gladys Ryan's claim that the Act violated the Constitution of Ireland's guarantee of the right to bodily integrity.[94][95] By 1965, Greater Dublin's water was fluoridated; by 1973, other urban centers were too.[96] Studies from the late 1970s to mid 1990s showed a decrease in (and lower incidence of) dental decay in school children living in areas where water was fluoridated than in areas where water was not fluoridated.[97]

A private member's bill to end fluoridation was defeated in the Dáil on 12 November 2013.[98][99] It was supported by Sinn Féin and some of the technical group and opposed by the Fine Gael-Labour government and Fianna Fáil.[99][100][101]

Recently there is much local opposition to the national fluoridation mandate. Early in 2014, Cork County Council and Laois County Council passed motions for the cessation of water fluoridation. In Autumn 2014, Cork City Council, Dublin City Council,[82][83] and Kerry County Council passed similar motions.[82]
LUnited Kingdom

Around 10% of the population of the United Kingdom receives fluoridated water.[106] About half a million people receive water that is naturally fluoridated with calcium fluoride, and about 6 million total receive fluoridated water.[113] The Water Act 2003 required water suppliers to comply with requests from local health authorities to fluoridate their water.[113]

The following UK water utility companies fluoridate their supply:

    Anglian Water Services Ltd
    Northumbrian Water Ltd
    South Staffordshire Water plc
    Severn Trent plc
    United Utilities Water plc

Earlier plans were undertaken in the Health Authority areas of Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire, Birmingham, Black Country, Cheshire, Merseyside, County Durham, Tees Valley, Cumbria, Lancashire, North, East Yorkshire, Northern Lincolnshire, Northumberland, Tyne and Wear, Shropshire, Staffordshire, Trent and West Midlands South whereby fluoridation was introduced progressively in the years between 1964 and 1988.[114]

The South Central Strategic Health Authority carried out the first public consultation under the Water Act 2003, and in 2009 its board voted to fluoridate water supplies in the Southampton area to address the high incidence of tooth decay in children there.[113] Surveys had found that the majority of surveyed Southampton residents opposed the plan, but the Southampton City Primary Care Trust decided that "public vote could not be the deciding factor and that medical evidence shows fluoridation will reduce tooth decay – and failed to back up claims of serious negative side effects".[115] Fluoridation plans have been particularly controversial in the northwest of England and have been delayed after a large increase on projected costs was revealed.[116] In October 2014, Public Health England abandoned plans for water fluoridation for 195,000 people in Southampton and neighbouring parts of south-west Hampshire due to opposition from both Hampshire County Council and Southampton City Council.[117]

It was reported in 2007 that the UK Milk Fluoridation Programme, centered in the northwest of England, involved more than 16,000 children.[118]

The water supply in Northern Ireland has never been artificially fluoridated except in two small localities where fluoride was added to the water for about 30 years. By 1999, fluoridation ceased in those two areas, as well.[citation needed]

In 2004, following a public consultation, Scotland's parliament rejected proposals to fluoridate public drinking water.[59]

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 11:07 AM

"Will London streets look like Paris this coming March?"
Unfortunatel no - not without a sea-change

"Enjoy it while you can Jim."
I might do Karen if it wasn't for the fact that my relatives back home are amongst those paying for this fiasco

WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR DAUGHTER TO BRING HOME THIS MAN ?

Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 11:04 AM

"“O wad some Power the giftie gie us, to see oursels as ithers see us!" - springs to mind"

Be careful what you wish for! I am sure you would be highly disappointed if you knew how others view you. You gave yourself away very publicly on a recent thread.(and I have a copy of it)
From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 17 Dec 18 - 03:10 PM ................
The true story is below- from the telegraph,
I wonder who is correct, the anglophobic refugee or theTelegraph?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/12/17/street-protests-full-blown-riots-europe-raging/

Would that Britons had the balls to take to the streets in their millions

Easy for an exile to say that, hiding in a bog, while others are at risk from possible murder and mayhem. What kind of sorry assed person does that make you I ask myself? It rather confirms what I alluded to above.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 11:04 AM

... 3500 armed forces...

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 11:01 AM

It seems Gavin Williamson has told Mps that 3500 were ready to be deployed if needed by any government departments in the event of a no deal.

I wonder what they will be doing. Not just manual labour, I'll be bound.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: KarenH
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 10:34 AM

NHS poor lookout, one part of plan is to reduce taxes. Cue US style get health insurance if healthy and young, die otherwise. Just what Jeremy *unt spoke up for when in charge of health.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 10:31 AM

Posted by a friend of mine on Facecloth (thanks Geoff)

BBC announced this morning that Theresa May has just allocated £2 BILLION pocket money to prepare for a no deal brexit.
That is over £38 Million a week.

I say we should give it to the NHS and scrap brexit.

Hashtag there's always a magic money tree

:D tG

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: KarenH
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 10:26 AM

From Bloomberg
EU Rules out 'Managed' No Deal.
The areas are:
Aviation: The EU will allow airliners from the U.K. to fly over the EU, land in the EU and fly back to the U.K, and make refueling stops in the EU.
Financial services: The EU would allow the U.K.’s derivatives clearinghouses to continue serving banks in the bloc -- under a so-called equivalence arrangement -- for 12 months after Brexit in the case of no deal.
Customs: The EU will levy duties and taxes on U.K. goods and is stepping up arrangements to carry out customs checks at entry points from the U.K.
Road transport: Permits will still be given to U.K. truck drivers but these would be far more restricted than is currently the case under EU membership.
Climate policy: EU climate change legislation won’t apply to the U.K. The Commission will take steps to ensure its emissions trading system isn’t affected.
Rights of citizens: The EU will say it is taking a “generous” approach to British citizens living in one of its 27 countries at the moment of Brexit and will enable them to obtain long-term residency status if they fulfill the necessary conditions.
Livestock and animal products: The EU hopes to allow the import of live animals and animal products from the U.K. as long as the country meets sanitary standards. Disruption will be expected, however, because new checks will have to take place on entry into the EU.
Personal data: If the U.K. leaves the EU with no deal, the country will be governed by the rules covering international transfers, which makes it far more difficult to exchange personal data.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 10:21 AM

Its nice to think ideally but all governments have their sticking points. I am used to a fake Democracy.

Will London streets look like Paris this coming March?

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: KarenH
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 10:14 AM

Enjoy it while you can Jim.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 09:42 AM

Just heard an Irish broadcaster taking the piss out of Britain by playing two recordings of Rees Mogg; first following May's winning the vote of no confidence, demanding that she resign, then, shortly after, congratulating her in the House of Commons for winning the support of her party

“O wad some Power the giftie gie us, to see oursels as ithers see us!" - springs to mind
These people are humiliating Britain of a daily basis
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: KarenH
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 09:41 AM

Frankly, 2 billion seems relatively little to spend on preparations for Brexit - so we should be scared.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 09:04 AM

But you don't believe in democracy, Iains. You'd like remainers to shut up and stop being inconvenient and you denigrate them at every turn. You think that 48% of voters are losers who should just get over themselves. You think that the 28% who didn't vote are feckless wasters who have given up their right to have a voice (though you're happy for them to keep paying their taxes, I presume). Democracy means running the country for everyone, not just the people on your side. I've just described your consistent stance over many posts over many months. Democrats are thoughtful, reflective people who take on board opposing views, not people who crow over their very narrow "victories." A country full of your kind of "democrats" would be a dangerous place.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 08:19 AM

"remainiacs "
I still find it extremely amusing that someone who supports a policy that stands to impoverish Britain and is happily watching (even participating in) his party humiliating itself on a daily basis can still fling his mindless insults about as if he occupies some sort of high ground
Sort of like a bear of little brain who relied on a criminal blogger as a guru and is forced to retreat from subject as after subject when his arrogant claims fall apart before his eyes
'Bout time you got a new guru, or better still, began to think for yourself
In the present circumstances, you make yourself more stupid every time you post
You have proven over and over again that you are in no position to talk down to anybody - stop humiliating yourself
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 08:04 AM

and frankly incredible that such planning should be dismissed as 'project fear
Exact Words: Guido tells how it is. Cue "project fear" going into overdive!

Operative word CUE: Meaning a thing said or done that serves as a signal to begin their performance.

I will explain it in simple terms:Health Secretary Matt Hancock told Newsnight last night that the NHS has gone to “full no deal planning” and added that there is a need for the “whole of government” to go to that position “because it’s the responsible thing to do”. This will cue/lead to/bring about all sorts of horror stories to scare the populace.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 07:56 AM

"But they have heard of democracy, believe in it, know how to spell it and have integrity. How many remainiacs can claim the same, if any?"

The majority of BrexShitters, including you, may have "heard of Democracy, believe in it, know how to spell it" (even though 'our country' seems to defeat a significant number whose spittle-flecked rantings abound on social media platforms - 'traitor', 'arrested', 'marched out and shot', etc.), but they completely fail to understand its meaning.

'Democracy' provides for minds to be changed and for decisions to be amended or even (gasp!) reversed in the light of information which subsequently comes to light - a concept that seems to completely bamboozle the average BrexShitter (I don't include you in the 'average BrexShitter' group - you're not that bright).

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: KarenH
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 07:30 AM

There has been news about NHS planning for a no deal situation for months; inaccurate to suggest 'Guido' was the first to mention it, and frankly incredible that such planning should be dismissed as 'project fear'. More interesting to ponder the point that the earnings limit being proposed for EU immigrants may limit NHS ability to make up growing shortages in workforce. The problems of leavning Euratom have been widely discussed. I don't recall the pro Brexit campaign mentioning those.

Of more interest to anybody concerned for the future of our wonderful NHS is the announcement already made that the exdtra money promised for it won't won't heppen in a No Deal Scenario, the chances of Jeremy Hunt being PM in the future and the terms the USA may get through in any trade deal. Trade deals with the USA and their implications for the the NHS were one argument against the EU, though given the only options that seemed likely in th event of leave given a Tory government were and are no better, worse if anything.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 07:11 AM

But they have heard of democracy, believe in it, know how to spell it and have integrity. How many remainiacs can claim the same, if any?

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 05:50 AM

"Dick missed off the Moral from the Aesop version of his fable and it is very pertinent to brexit.

Be sure you can better your condition before you seek to change."

That's a very big assumption you're making there, Dave - that the average BrexShitter has even heard of Æsop! Very unlikely...

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 04:55 AM

Dick missed off the Moral from the Aesop version of his fable and it is very pertinent to brexit.

Be sure you can better your condition before you seek to change.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 04:54 AM

Guido tells how it is. Cue "project fear" going into overdive!

https://order-order.com/2018/12/18/hancock-time-full-preparation-no-deal/

Good to see the worthless leader of the opposition shot his bolt yesterday. I wonder what he hopes to achieve by calling for a vote of no confidence in the PM. He has simply helped unify the Tories. Is he hoping to find a vote of no confidence in the government is in his christmas stocking? It now has even less chance of flying. clearly obvious that he gains his strategic insight from a career steeped in never never land rather than reality.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 04:33 AM

Better a frog than a worm anyday
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 04:12 AM

Is Jim a closet frog?

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 Dec 18 - 11:09 PM

THE FROGS were living as happy as could be in a marshy swamp that just suited them; they went splashing about caring for nobody and nobody troubling with them. But some of them thought that this was not right, that they should have a king and a proper constitution, so they determined to send up a petition to Jove to give them what they wanted. “Mighty Jove,” they cried, “send unto us a king that will rule over us and keep us in order.” Jove laughed at their croaking, and threw down into the swamp a huge Log, which came down—kerplash—into the swamp. The Frogs were frightened out of their lives by the commotion made in their midst, and all rushed to the bank to look at the horrible monster; but after a time, seeing that it did not move, one or two of the boldest of them ventured out towards the Log, and even dared to touch it; still it did not move. Then the greatest hero of the Frogs jumped upon the Log and commenced dancing up and down upon it, thereupon all the Frogs came and did the same; and for some time the Frygs went about their business every day without taking the slightest notice of their new King Log lying in their midst. But this did not suit them, so they sent another petition to Jove, and said to him, “We want a real king; one that will really rule over us.” Now this made Jove angry, so he sent among them a big Stork that soon set to work gobbling them all up. Then the Frogs repented when too late.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Dec 18 - 03:10 PM

"You are 'avin a laff!   more 'impeccable' research prior to posting"
No - it's you who is
Of your list three are protests against increasing hardship; one is the result of the brutality used by the Catalan protesters
Two are riots by fascists put back on the streets by the passing of Brexit and the election of Trump
The peaceful demonstration against anti immigration laws is a protest against anti-immigration, both practical and humanist in nature

I's you gave the quote applauding the democracy of allowing the people to raise their voice in protest (can't be arsed finding it) but you might have added J S Mill's 'shedding blood to replenish the Tree of Liberty"
What' the fuck's wrong with people taking to the streets to oppose Orban - the man's a fascist, and Hungary, of all countries knows what that implies
More power to their **** elbows - hope they find a good lamp post while they're at it
None of these events has in any way effected the stability of these countries, if anything, they have strengthened it
Would that Britons had the balls to take to the streets in their millions to stop the farce that is dooming British people to a generation of poverty and hardship instead of watching you and your friends circus antics which is making Britain a total laughing stock

I take it we're finished with Ireland - I was looking forward to the usual torrent of racist "bog-Irishisms" - you disapponit me
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 17 Dec 18 - 02:07 PM

Note: the above is a different beastie to tabling a vote of no confidence in the government.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 17 Dec 18 - 02:02 PM

The UK has negotiated an agreement to stay in the Common Transit Convention (CTC) even if there is no Brexit deal between the two sides

From Guido of course


https://order-order.com/2018/12/17/uk-eu-agree-maintain-common-transition-convention-even-no-deal/

Corbyn quote:"So, as the only way I can think of ensuring a vote takes place this week, I'm about to table a motion which says the following: 'That this House has no confidence in the Prime Minister due to her failure to allow the House of Commons to have a meaningful vote straight away on the Withdrawal Agreement and framework for future relationships between the UK and European Union.'

"That will be tabled immediately, Mr Speaker."

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 17 Dec 18 - 01:57 PM

Europe has achieved a degree of stability - Britain never has.

That is a gem worthy of framing. Let us analyse it.
1) French riots in Paris and elsewhere
2)Recent riots in Brussells
3)Germany has had a series of protests in recent months
4)Italy protests about anti=migrant law
%)Spain. In October. Thousands of people flooded the streets of Barcelona on Friday for rival protests on Spain’s national day, highlighting the division in Catalonia over support for the Spanish state and those seeking independence.
6)Farmers in central Greece parked their tractors on the shoulder of the ... to escalate protests unless the government addresses their demands
7)Opposition in Hungary Demonstrates Against Orban, in Rare Display of Dissent

You are 'avin a laff!   more 'impeccable' research prior to posting