Brexit #2

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Raggytash
Date: 04 Oct 18 - 03:20 PM

That's the one Jim, Thank you.

It does makes for very sobering reading.

Yet another potentially unintended consequence of the Brexit debacle.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Oct 18 - 03:06 PM

THINK IT'S THIS ONE!
Jim

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Oct 18 - 03:06 PM

THINK IT'S THIS ONE!
Jim

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Raggytash
Date: 04 Oct 18 - 02:56 PM

With reference to my earlier post which mentioned the Nissan plant in Sunderland there is a very good article in todays Guardians "long read" section about the possible future of the plant.

One very enlightening comment was from Keith Joseph, the Industry Minster in 1980.

Could someone please link.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Oct 18 - 12:39 PM

Of course our resident brexiteers will point out that Nissan did say some time back that nothing will change. I shall not say 'I told you so', but how gullible they are. Mind you, if you can believe anything that Farage, Johnson or Gove tell you, you can believe anything.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Raggytash
Date: 04 Oct 18 - 11:56 AM

More dire forecasts of what we can expect post Brexit. One from the Royal Bank of Scotland and one from Nissan in Sunderland.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 03:07 PM

Nah Dave - it's the Brexiteers who are Unicorn-Mugs! ;-)

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 02:49 PM

I seem to recall a few pints of Banks' Bitter, followed by a late-night prawn vindaloo with extra pappadoms, having a similar effect. Rip 'n' burn...

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 01:45 PM

Cameron's Strong Arm drunk in quantity at Whitby Folk Week had the same effect, John. Will you be ordering your unicorn mug? :-)

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 01:36 PM

I remember back in my youth drinking a Midlands brew we nicknamed 'Shipstone's Rip-Arse'. It certainly did... ;-)

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 12:36 PM

Yep, that Jim Kerr. In a brexit thread I've moved from Bwm's feeble minds to Jim Kerr's Simple Minds. A step up...?

It's a lovely hotel, by the way, with a spiffing view of Etna from the terrace of every room. I get a lovely little company called The Sicilian Experience, Italia Nel Mondo, to tailor-make my Sicily holidays, who can do it cheaper than I ever can. Jim, when in Sicily you should be drinking only Nero d'Avola (or Nero Mescalese, grown on the slopes of Etna). When in Napoli it should be Lacrima Christi grown on the slopes of Vesuvio, and when in Puglia it should be Primitivo or Negroamaro. Tsk. And I think your wine is Terre Arse, as I recall a rather decent Marsala, Jim, just the thing to round off a good pasta dinner...

Apparently, the corporate video promoting your wine had a gorgeous young woman suggesting breathily, ‘Let’s try Terre Arse. Breathe in its intense aroma…’ :-)

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 11:16 AM

"Taormina."
Still have the wine bottle we bought there - named Teararse - a name to remember (but not necessarily a wine!)
Jim

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 10:55 AM

Jim Kerr as in Simple Minds?

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 09:36 AM

I've been and gone and booked a post-brexit holiday in Sicily. We're staying at Jim Kerr's hotel outside Taormina. We've been before and I gave the buggers five stars so I think they'll let us in...

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 09:27 AM

BWM - Just for you. I believe these will be readily available after Brexit.

Magic Unicorn Mugs

Although I am not sure what the term 'mugs' applies to. :-)

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Oct 18 - 01:52 PM

He and his ilk have awoken to the power of indoctrination. Hence the ad-nauseam parroting of slogans like 'Take Back Control' and the relentless onslaught of 'Look over there, Labour [insert latest 'ism' here]' designed to take the eyes of the feeble-minded and easily-influenced away from what they should actually be up in arms about.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Oct 18 - 01:23 PM

How can he get away with lies like we have no ability to change or resist when he has already been caught in his £350 million NHS lie is beyond me. What's the phrase? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. There must be an awful lot of fools at that conference. A proven liar and philanderer that cannot keep control of his gob or his willy yet his name is still bandied about as potential prime minister.

Still, he has one thing going for him. He is not Nigel Farage.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Oct 18 - 12:59 PM

Oops, pressed 'go' too soon! Should have ended with, 'not throw a hissyfit, grab the ball, and run home with it like a spoilt brat who can't get his own way'.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Oct 18 - 12:57 PM

From Bozo's pontification at the Conference today...

"It would mean that UK business and industry – the entire UK economy – would be exposed perpetually to regulations that might have been expressly designed, at the behest of foreign competitors, to do them down.
It would mean that whatever the EU came up with, banning the sale of eggs by the dozen, banning diabetics from driving, banning vaping, whatever – and all of those have been at least considered by Brussels in the last few years – all of this nonsense we would have to implement with no ability to change or resist.
This is not pragmatic, it is not a compromise. It is dangerous and unstable – politically and economically.
My fellow Conservatives, this is not democracy. This is not what we voted for. This is an outrage."

The best way to deal with 'Whatever the EU comes up with' would be by Remaing in the EU, and being part of the discussion process (not forgetting that the UK is in the exalted position of being one of only nine member-states who have the power of veto). That's what a proper, mature nation should and would do - not throw a hissyfit, grab the ball, and run home with it.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Oct 18 - 10:52 AM

Play nicely, this thread is still going. For now.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Oct 18 - 10:12 AM

This seems to give name-caling SOME TEETH
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 02 Oct 18 - 08:15 AM

The tories think that taking away rights from people is a vote winner. They may be right, but if they are it is a sad indictment of the population of the country.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Oct 18 - 05:19 AM

Notable that the Tory tactics of accusing the EU of being obstinate and that we can't be bullied by them is well to the fore this week, when the whole bloody shambles has been our fault all along. Two and a quarter years and next to nothing on the table. This Tory shower couldn't run a bath, let alone a country.

Bath? Shower? Whaddam I like!

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 02 Oct 18 - 05:11 AM

From: Raggytash - PM
Date: 01 Aug 18 - 10:36 AM
PS I will ask the Moderators to delete any post that contains even a slight personal attacks on anybody no matter which side they support.

Why are we waiting, why are we..............

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Your wish is my command. Iains in time out. Again.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Oct 18 - 05:09 AM

If you do a one-off trip to somewhere and buy a ton of their banknotes you have the issue of the excess when you get home. You can sell them back but your supplier gives you a rotten buyback rate. As our hols are always in Europe, having euros left over isn't an issue. Caxton will convert them back for you, but they offer a rotten rate buyback rate too. You could consider getting a traveller's card that lets you draw out currency from ATMs fee-free. They do exist! It's a bit off-topic is this, so later on I'll look up what Which? sez (I'm a member) and tell you what they recommend. One advantage of a pre-load card is that you can load up currency to it in dribs and drabs from your bank account while you're on your trip (if you can bring yourself to trusting the system!), so you don't end up with too much leftover mickeymouse dosh...

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Oct 18 - 03:42 AM

Thanks Steve. We got the best cash deal from one of the modern day pawn shops when we last had euros. May just shop around for dollars then. Although I will investigate what is recommended.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Oct 18 - 05:09 PM

Well we took out our Caxton one, just for euros, a few years ago, when it was the best. There's no fee and you can get dosh out of ATMs in the local currency without fees or bad currency conversions (though Greek banks now charge €3 for foreigners withdrawing cash, the bastards). Basically, you load the card with euros when the exchange rate is looking good. They do do American dollar cards but I ain't familiar with anything except euros. It's a Mastercard so you can use it to pay for stuff in shops and restaurants like any other credit card, fee-free because you're paying in the local currency. You get their app on your phone from which you can load up your card, which you sort of couple to your debit card, dead easy. These days you tend to be able to get a slightly better rate by shopping around for foreign cash. Tesco Bank and John Lewis are both pretty good and give a better deal than Caxton, though that's only fine if you don't mind stuffing your body belt with a couple of thousand in banknotes before you set off...

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Oct 18 - 04:52 PM

Would you recommend a prepaid travel card Steve? We are off to Florida soon and I was considering one.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Oct 18 - 04:41 PM

Well, for loading my Caxton prepaid travel card the pound has "soared" by a quarter of a cent in a day. Wowser! I dare say that the pound will soar right down again if Boris comes out with one of his bon mots tomorrow...

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 Oct 18 - 04:35 PM

The pound is soaring is it, well yes it has gone up .. slightly.

Today I can get 1.1214 Euro to the pound as opposed to Friday when I could get 1.1197 to the pound.

This is of course somewhat removed to a period years ago when I could get 1.4159 Euro to the pound and certainly far less than the day before Brexit when I could still get 1.3154 Euro to the pound.

In case this is beyond some people to comprehension before Brexit in return for 1OOO Pounds I would have got 1315.54 Euro, today I would receive 1124.40 Euro.

A deficit of 190.70 Euro for the same 1000 pounds.

Tell you what Iains, if and when the pound returns, as it may/may not, return to that value before Brexit give me a shout would you.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Oct 18 - 10:46 AM

"Don't respond, Jim. We all know where it will lead."
I'll leave talking to walls to Shirley Valentine - far more interesting

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 01 Oct 18 - 10:33 AM

Just as well we are leaving. Italy is becoming a basket case and the pound is soaring! Happy days are here again!

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Oct 18 - 06:00 AM

FRIENDS IN LOW PLACES
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Oct 18 - 05:51 AM

What Brexit is really about
Jim Carroll

This morning's Times
POLICE TRIED to DEPORT SLAVERY VICTIM+
Gabriella Swerling
Northern Correspondent
The police and the Crown Prosecution Service have been accused of wasting public money for prosecuting a Vietnamese teenager whose case was dis¬missed when a judge said that he was probably the victim of slavery.
The boy, who may have been trafficked into the UK to work on a canna¬bis farm, now faces deportation.
An investigation by The Times revealed that between 2012 and last year more than 1,100 Vietnamese children suspected of being smuggled into Brit¬ain had been arrested rather than being seen as slaves. The authorities refuse to
say what happened to them after their detention, and the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) has no data on how many were prosecuted or convicted.
Judge Robert Trevor-Jones dis¬missed the case against the boy, who said that he was 16, on the fourth day of his trial at Liverpool crown court. The child had spent six months in custody on remand. The boy, who does not speak English, had been accused of being involved in the production of cannabis. He was arrested at a cannabis farm in St Helens earlier this year.
Baroness Butler-Sloss who helped to draft the Modern Slavery Bill in 2014, said that the case was “undoubtedly a waste of court time, the judge’s time and the jury’s time — as well as a waste of public money. If he is genuinely a victim, to deport him without protection will be to put him back in the hands of the traffickers.”
The court was told that the boy’s parents had died and he was responsible for their debts. He said he had been threatened by creditors who told him to earn money in the UK. He was taken to China, shipped to France, smuggled into England on a lorry and given to a man in Manchester known as Uncle.
Uncle took him to St Helens where he was told to help men to take bags and boxes into a flat above newsagents. The boy denied knowing that these contained cannabis plants and thought that he was moving household goods. Judge Trevor-Jones asked if the defendant had been subject to a referral under the Modern Slavery Act and said that if the boy were convicted he would ask for one.
Clare Jones, for the prosecution, said that the boy had been seen by a social worker who assessed his age as 25 but it was unclear whether there had been a referral. Ben Morris, for the defence, said that more inquiries were needed to assess his age.
Judge Trevor-Jones said that it would be “wrong to risk a possible conviction” and that there should be a Home Office appraisal to assess the boy’s status and verify his age. He discharged the jury because the boy had spent six months in custody, the time he could have éxpected to serve if convicted.
Debbie Beadle, of Ecpat UK, an anti¬child trafficking charity, said: “Being wrongly accused of crime and put through the court system means child victims are at risk of being removed from the UK and placed back into a situation where they are vulnerable to being re-trafficked.”
Merseyside police said that the force noted the judge’s comments.
The CPS said that the boy had been “deemed an adult at an earlier hearing” and that it had been unable to satisfy the court that the appropriate inquiries and referral had been made.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Oct 18 - 05:02 AM

BREXIT BRITAIN
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Oct 18 - 04:17 AM

THE WORLDLINESS OF BREXITEERS
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 04:22 PM

From the upright man guido:
Hunt compares EU to USSR, telling it like it is . Stirring stuff, makes you proud to be a Brit! No namby pamby corbinista contortions off this lad!


https://order-order.com/2018/09/30/hunt-compares-eu-ussr/

I might just have to go and whistle a few bars of the National Anthem!

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 01:37 PM

Just popcorn, Jim.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 01:29 PM

"May describes Boris Johnson as "deranged"."
I think it was the opposite way around and Johnson described May's proposals for Brexit were 'Deranged
Nothing like starting a Party Conference as you mean to go on
I wonder if they're selling tickets !!
Jim

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 10:08 AM

May describes Boris Johnson as "deranged". Well, a stopped clock and all that....

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 09:51 AM

Hey, Jim,

If you sprinkle
When you tinkle
Be a sweetie
Wipe the seatie

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 07:29 AM

"The moderators need to see this thread and they may decide to get rid of him, permanently this time. "
I totally agree Steve
Sometimes life becomes like a pubic hair on a toilet seat - one occasionally gets pissed off
He obviously isn't intending to take part in any discussion, "intelligent" or otherwise
Jim

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 07:22 AM

From: Raggytash - PM
Date: 01 Aug 18 - 10:36 AM
"OK Can we now have a discussion about Brexit without personal attacks, without name calling and one that sticks to the topic, without deviation or picking up on spelling or perceptions of the use of words.

We are all supposed to be adult and have a modicum of intelligence, hopefully that will remain to be the case."

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 06:42 AM

Leave it, Jim. The moderators need to see this thread and they may decide to get rid of him, permanently this time. They won't do it if we keep responding. There's enough evidence in his posts here for them to do it if they so decide. Just talk past him.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 06:31 AM

It apparently failed to teach you self respect, good manners or humanity - nothing to boast about is you wished to
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 06:05 AM

Nothing uncomfortable about my education jimmy, but unlike shaw I find no need to boast about it.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 05:44 AM

Please don't allow this moron to wreck the thread
He isn't going to respond to anything uncomfortable so why bother

ANTISEMITIC TORIES

Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 05:44 AM

Please don't allow this moron to wreck the thread
He isn't going to respond to anything uncomfortable so why bother

ANTISEMITIC TORIES

Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 04:11 AM

More gems from the abbaccus:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fkt0cevwMU

"No doubt you take your views from your mentor Terribus"

Ah yes! The man that always destroyed the pontifications of the cabal here by using cold hard logic.

By the way did he not call you a snapping hyena? Very apt, I feel!

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 03:59 AM

More loony left nonsense:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6223091/LIZ-JONES-happened-did-Socialist-Yoga-bunch-Jeremy-Corbyn-worshippers.html

and the scary side of leftards:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1024709/labour-party-union-tuc-schools-bully

Tories rule OK! (Thank God!)