Brexit #2

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 08:21 AM

There have been numerous quotes in the Irish press from ex Brexiters wh have changed their minds but daren't go public because of the bullies who have now mobilesed themselves to make sure they don't - jackboots kicking down doors springs to mind
This bullying is perfectly represented here by our own resident would-be bully (if he had a gang to back him up)
Nearly have those who voted "traitors" - what kind of extremist shit is this?
PRETTY WELL SUMMED UP HERE
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 08:34 AM

And a very pertinent comment here about the kinds of things which, apparently, are or are not worthy of an apology....

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 08:52 AM

Yet another problem for corbyn after
lying again on the BBC

https://order-order.com/2018/12/21/chris-williamson-shares-petition-defending-notorious-anti-semite/

What a shower!

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 09:21 AM

Minutes from Tory party think tank

Q. We've broken our election promises. What can we do?
A. Call Corbyn an anti-Semite.

Q. We're in the shit about the Windrush immigrants, What can we do?
A. Call Corbyn a terrorist sympathiser.

Q. We've totally screwed the Brexit negotiations. What can we do?
A. Call Corbyn a misogynist

I can't wait for the next cock up.

Q. We lost the election. What can we do?
A. Call Corbyn a one-eyed, one-horned, flyin' purple people eater

It would be really funny if it were not so tragic.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 09:31 AM

Well, Dave, they tried that approach in the last election and were utterly amazed to find that it lost them their majority. So let 'em run with it, sez I!

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 09:43 AM

A JEWISH VIEW OF LABOUR ANTISEMITISM - NOT IMPORTANT TO SOME
But then again, they hate the Irish and Gypsies and they think Brits who want to stay in Europe are "traitors"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: KarenH
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 09:50 AM

Actually since the comment in this that the US in Syria were 'illegal' which reflects what Putin said on the subject I have been thinking we have a Russian operating on this site.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: KarenH
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 10:08 AM

Lovely comment in The Sun that shortages of fresh fruit and veg from the EU will only affect effete Londoners who should stop eating foreign food. Some Sun readers grew up eating only seasonal veg grown at home; some think we can get 'fresh' fruit and veg more cheaply from non EU countries because the EU 'fraudulently' keeps the price of them high. If this is so, why have the supermarkets not being doing it anyway?

Another Sun comment is that under WTO we can suggest a trade deal with no duty either way and no strings attached. I suppose we could suggest it.


Puzzled as usual.


A Sun columnist is arguing that what folk voted for in the ref. was in fact a No Deal Brexit.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 10:09 AM

"I have been thinking we have a Russian operating on this site."
WHY NOT - DON'T THEY GET EVERYWHERE ?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 10:49 AM

Lovely comment in The Sun that shortages of fresh fruit and veg from the EU will only affect effete Londoners who should stop eating foreign food. Some Sun readers grew up eating only seasonal veg grown at home; some think we can get 'fresh' fruit and veg more cheaply from non EU countries because the EU 'fraudulently' keeps the price of them high. If this is so, why have the supermarkets not being doing it anyway?
Because we are required to charge the same 'protectionist' import tariffs as the EU for as long as we are members. Whether the supermarkets buy South African apples from South Africa, or via a supplier in the EU, the price will have been inflated by the EU import tariffs.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 11:35 AM

Fruit and vegetables are displayed for sale at a grocers shop in London, United Kingdom | Christopher Furlong/Getty Images

Brexit will raise imported produce prices by 8 percent
Goods to get more expensive because of border controls.

By        GAŠPER ZAVRŠNIK        3/29/17, 8:40 AM CET Updated 8/17/17, 10:43 PM CET
EU fruit and vegetables imported into the U.K. will become more expensive after Brexit, regardless of the trade deal Britain secures with the bloc, the Guardian reported Wednesday.

Analysts calculated the price of imported food will go up by up to 8 percent as a result of border controls, the paper reported.

Last year the value of imported food and agricultural products to the U.K. was £47.5 billion, of which 71 percent came from the EU.

"U.K. consumers should brace themselves for some price rises ... on those products for which Britain is almost solely reliant on the EU,” said Harry Smit, a senior analyst at Rabobank.

Ian Wright, director general of the Food & Drink Federation trade body, disagreed, saying price fluctuations will depend heavily on the nature of the U.K.’s new initial relationship with the EU, according to the Guardian.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 11:36 AM

How about dem apples?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 12:14 PM

We all decide for ourselves if something is worth posting, Iains.

I accept the point I made was trivial, both in itself and in the context of the whole Brexit fandango. But in itself it is not entirely devoid of information. It tells everyone, including you of course, that I bothered to open your link, and read it enough to see that repetition. That suggests the site "www.conservativewoman.co.uk" is not, despite its official sounding name, run by some subsection of the Conservatives, where you would expect such posts to be reviewed and such errors spotted. Instead, it looks rather more like some random post by some random blogger who happens to like Rees-Mogg, with the same status as all the posts on here: a personal opinion, but no more.

Further evidence for this is that the domain name 'conservativewoman.co.uk' was registered by "godaddy.com" whose main market is selling domains to private individuals. conservatives.com, the official site, on the other hand, is registered by company dealing with full IT systems.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 12:44 PM

From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 11:36 AM
How about dem apples?

Read the quote in your own post which shows what was being discussed:
"U.K. consumers should brace themselves for some price rises ... on those products for which Britain is almost solely reliant on the EU,” said Harry Smit, a senior analyst at Rabobank.

Clearly that quote is not about South African apples.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 01:00 PM

So ?
A lot appears to depend on how Britain exits Europe, but that doesn't alter the fact that Britain will lose out if they close access to Europe,as they seem hell bent on doing
One of the immediate effects is that Ireland, which now exports via Fishguard will be exporting by sea straight to Europe, which will almost certainly decimate Fishguard as a port
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 01:57 PM

"Actually since the comment in this that the US in Syria were 'illegal' which reflects what Putin said on the subject I have been thinking we have a Russian operating on this site."

No UN mandate equals illegality of action. Show me any UN authorisation.
As far as I am aware the only mandate operating is mentioned below:
"Security Council Grants Six-Month Mandate Renewal for United Nations Disengagement Observer Force, Adopting Resolution 2450 (2018)"
1)The fallacious argument in Iraq:
In the run-up to the Iraq war of 2003, there was the famous 45-minute claim concerning Iraq's supposed weapons of mass destruction. Laying the ground for an argument of anticipatory self-defence against a strike that might come in the future, the UK argued that Iraqi weapons of mass destruction might reach UK military bases in Cyprus with minimum warning.

2)The doctrine of forcible humanitarian action gained credence throughout the 1990s when it was applied to rescue the Kurds of northern Iraq and the Marsh Arabs in the south of Iraq from destruction by Saddam Hussein. It was later employed unopposed in cases including Liberia and Sierra Leone.

However, international division about its application emerged in the wake of the operation on behalf of the Kosovo Albanians of 1999.

Since then, the UN has embraced the concept that international action can be taken to rescue a population under immediate threat. However, the doctrine of responsibility to protect (R2P) was narrowed down to cover operations mandated by the Security Council. Still, a number of states claim a right to act when the Council cannot.

Not much point in having an international body if it is consistantly ignored. How many resolutions id Israel in breach of?

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 02:05 PM

"One of the immediate effects is that Ireland, which now exports via Fishguard will be exporting by sea straight to Europe, which will almost certainly decimate Fishguard as a port"
The additional Time at sea and escalated costs will only impact the Irish. Far more sensible to revert to TIR
The TIR Convention establishes an international customs transit system with maximum facility to move goods:

    in sealed vehicles or containers;
    from a customs office of departure in one country to a customs office of destination in another country;
    without requiring extensive and time-consuming border checks at intermediate borders;
    while, at the same time, providing customs authorities with the required security and guarantees.

The TIR system not only covers customs transit by road but a combination is possible with other modes of transport (e.g., rail, inland waterway, and even maritime transport), as long as at least one part of the total transport is made by road.
or is that too easy?

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: KarenH
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 05:18 PM

Nigel, the point I made was relating to a quote explicitly about food from the EU. To the best of my knowledge South Africa is not in the EU.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 06:59 PM

I rather think that prices of a lot of British produce will rise, if there's the predicted lack of harvesters from elsewhere in Europe.

And it seems pretty likely that the value of the pound relative to other currencies is liable to go through the floor in a No Deal Brexit. That would inflate the price for any imports from anywhere. Even during these endless two and a half years in Limbo it's gone down to near parity with the euro (£1 /= €1.11).

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 07:48 PM

From: KarenH - PM
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 05:18 PM
Nigel, the point I made was relating to a quote explicitly about food from the EU. To the best of my knowledge South Africa is not in the EU.

Your knowledge is correct, South Africa is not part of the EU.
But I was responding to your comment about views given in "The Sun": Not a rag I read.

Your comment was:
Lovely comment in The Sun that shortages of fresh fruit and veg from the EU will only affect effete Londoners who should stop eating foreign food. Some Sun readers grew up eating only seasonal veg grown at home; some think we can get 'fresh' fruit and veg more cheaply from non EU countries because the EU 'fraudulently' keeps the price of them high. If this is so, why have the supermarkets not being doing it anyway?

Another Sun comment is that under WTO we can suggest a trade deal with no duty either way and no strings attached. I suppose we could suggest it.

The comment made no mention of the source of the fruit and veg, nor a link to the original article to allow us to have any idea what (exactly) you were talking about.
I responded to your comments. If you wish to be more specific as to what you think you're discussing, please provide the details.

Bear in mind that the expression "fresh fruit and veg from the EU" does not automatically mean produce originated/grown in the EU.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Dec 18 - 04:17 AM

"The additional Time at sea and escalated costs will only impact the Irish. "
No extra time involved - goods are at present carried by road through Britain and through the Channel Tunnel
A sea journey without barriers can't possibly take that long - Ireland has already equipped itself with a number of giant transport ships in preparation for Brexit (and Britain still has no plans whatever as to what they intend to do when and if they leave) - economic and social insanity
Beside the point anyway
Fishguard depends greatly on commercial trade passing through to and from from Ireland - that gone, do is a large slice of their income
Nice way to stat to "stand on our own two feet"

Another possible victim of the economic uncertain future of Belfast's Harland and Woolf which is being put up for sale by its Norwegian parent company
If, say, the Japanese decide to buy it up and close it as a competitor, that will be the end of the British shipbuilding and repair industry - another giant leap into Brexit's Brave New World
JIm Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 22 Dec 18 - 04:50 AM

No extra time involved - goods are at present carried by road through Britain and through the Channel Tunnel

To quote your little mate: Unfocused waffle.Do you ever check anything?

Example Dublin to Rotterdam via UK land bridge less than 20hours.
By single ferry journey 45 hours.

Nominally 8 hours ferry time using landbridge as opposed to 45 hours continuous ferry.

The clincher is that if it made any kind of economic sense they would have introduced super ferries years ago.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Dec 18 - 05:04 AM

The clincher is that if it made any kind of economic sense they would have introduced super ferries years ago.

Hardly a clincher. *Any* changes to tariffs or costs due to changed paperwork and timings, etc, change the economics. What is most advantageous under one set of arrangements may not be under another, and vice versa.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 22 Dec 18 - 05:32 AM

DMcG I was talking about the present situation. Your contribution assumes a change in the status quo. It is patently obvious that a change could conceivably modify the present economic model.
I could be wrong but I believe the present schedule of the superferry to europe carries primarily tanks and trailers and few tractor units.
Who wants a tractor unit trapped on a ferry for 80 hours per round trip?
But not every truck is an artic. in fact they are a minority.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Dec 18 - 06:51 AM

DMcG I was talking about the present situation.

My apologies. I forgot you regard it as inappropriate to think three months ahead. Unlike the ROI where, as Jim pointed out, they are in the process of obtaining those ships 'in the present situation', presumably because the businesses concerned think it is good economics.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: KarenH
Date: 22 Dec 18 - 07:09 AM

@ Mayomick: this is the sort of comment that that more or less makes me think let's get out of that damned island and let them get on with killing eachother again.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Dec 18 - 08:43 AM

The bulk of Irish goods go through the tunnel - Ireland now has the wherewithal to deliver in Europe more cheaply by sea should the borders close -
The difference of sea and land times is made up by the fact that drivers will no longer have to waste time and money with accommodation and will be able to sleep while travelling
The main problem will have been avoided as there need by no delays caused by border bureaucracy
Ireland has thought out the problems of a hard Brexit, Britain has not even made up its mind how it is to exit - then they will, ahve to start planning

"Unfocused waffle.Do you ever check anything?"
If youu have no self control or self respect, can you not at least give a thought to your few mates here
The picture you present of Brexiteers is a bunch of mindless bullying thugs who, whenever faced with a difficult question, opt for hurling personal abuse
The fact that you do so conscious of the fact that you risk no comebacks because you do so from the safety of distance of anonymity and distance makes you a spineless coward
You wouldn't dare abuse people to their faces the way you do here - you know damn well that they would either laugh at you are punch you - hardly the behavior of a patriotic hero !!
It is totally beyond me why mods continue to close threads (like the one you and your mates closed recently) yet allow you to strut and bully towards fellow members - if they got rid of your mates for similar behaviour, why not you?
It seems that Mudcat's requirements that members are civil to each other don't apply to some people
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 22 Dec 18 - 10:03 AM

"It seems that Mudcat's requirements that members are civil to each other don't apply to some people." Yes Jimmie and who is the biggest offender by a country mile. You have the rare distinction on here of even insulting deceased members, to the disgust of all!
Physician heal thyself springs to mind. But the blindingly obvious escapes little jimmy

A few points.
Some 50 percent of Ireland's hauliers serve the Continent, and 30 percent of them carry refrigerated goods, where every hour counts.
https://www.politico.eu/article/cargo-food-production-producers-brexit-burns-irelands-british-bridge-to-eu-markets/

The first superferry has already started service the "brexit buster" MV Celine. For such a "cheap,efficient service", I wonder why it is presently operating the present service?
Zeebrugge        2018-12-21 07:05
Killingholme        2018-12-20 07:21
Zeebrugge        2018-12-19 08:29
Killingholme        2018-12-18 08:11
Zeebrugge        2018-12-17 08:09
For accuracy it's present position is off Salcombe,en route to Dublin.
As I said before if a direct link was cheaper that the UK landbridge everyone would be sailing. But for a rigid as opposed to a semi trailer,you have to pay the driver 40hrs of a round trip to do nothing.
I cannot find a direct comparison but I recall a round trip from Plymouth to Santander was approx 3 times the cost of Rosslare to Fishguard. The former distance is 800 miles, Dublin to Zeebrugge slightly less.
If it was cheaper it would not be skipping in and out of the UK'S biggest port inorder to fill it's timetable.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Dec 18 - 10:19 AM

" and who is the biggest offender by a country mile. "
You are - you've been given a fraction of your series insulting - you have come up with nothing

"See what I mean you can't stop yourself
You know if you behaved as you do face to face wiuthout a gang behinfd you oyu'd end up with a mouthful of loose teeth
Man up, for the sake of this thread and this form
Stop behaving like a gestapo thug - you impress nobody
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Dec 18 - 10:49 AM

Footnot
If you continue to behave as you are I am going to gather all your abusive postings and send them directly to a mos, requestiing why you should be allowed to continue the way you have always done
You are, of course, welcome to do the same
Pack it in for all our sakes
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Dec 18 - 11:43 AM

Back to the subject
"As I said before if a direct link was cheaper that the UK landbridge everyone would be sailing. "
Any major changes of rout woud mean the re-organisation of long-standing practices
Up to now, the old system has worked perfectly well - should things not alter radically the new vessels will be an addition to an efficient and well established business
Jim Carroll

From the BBC 26th November
On Monday, the assembly's Brexit Committee will release a report saying that a 'no-deal' Brexit would pose a "serious threat" to the ports sector in Wales.

The committee's chair David Rees AM said: "What we found is that there needs to be a step-change in Welsh Government activity to support the sector prepare for a no-deal Brexit.

"If our worst fears of new delays and checks at Welsh ports like Holyhead and Fishguard are realised, Wales will need detailed plans to manage the fallout.

"That is why we were calling on the Welsh Government to publish details of any traffic management contingency plans it has, including outlining what new infrastructure spending may be required."

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Dec 18 - 12:35 PM

So Corbyn has restated that it is Labour policy to continue with Brexit. There is no change here since the referendum and the last party conference but I think there is a far amount of cynical calculation here. All parties have multiple policies - Brexit, yes, but also housing, education, NHS, and so on. I suspect that the calculation is that Labour Remainers have nowhere else to go, and the stance on those other issues will keep them voting Labour. On the other hand if Labour backed Remain, an unknown number would switch to Conservative. And of course it is true that the EU rules on state investment are an obstacle to Corbyn's investment plans. But left wing unicorns are just as I.aginary as right wing ones, I fear.

It is a policy that could very easily come unstuck. Most party members are Remainers, and they are the ones who is it comes to it are out knocking on doors, posting campaign leaflets and on voting day giving lifts to prospective voters. Alienating that group should not be undertaken lightly.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Dec 18 - 03:22 AM

"Ending the incorporation of Northern Ireland in the UK and the reunification of Ireland are two different issues"
Not intentionally - inevitably
These issues have become entwined due to Brexit, which threatens the economies and the social well-being of both the North and the South (and, to some extent Scotland) - from the very beginning it was suggested that Brexit would break up the United Kingdom
Northern Ireland has not had a Governing body for nearly two years, the D.U.P. has been caught up in scandals, has been under pressure after the Abortion vote in the South, no longer holds an overall majority and is faced with a situation where the desire for a United Ireland has shot up to near parity
Given the right conditions, Ireland can move to reunification naturally and without too much trouble - nearly a century overdue.

The now extremely unstable British Government is in the ridiculous position of not being able to survive without bribing a Party that cannot itself survive without the co-operation of other parties - At a time when Britain desperately need a united and coherent leadership and the goodwill of the British British people (who are not even trusted enough be given the right to re-confirm that their decision to leave Europe is still valid), it is as far away from any of that as sending a probe to Alpha Centuri   

What a fine ******* mess they've got us into Ollie
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Dec 18 - 04:12 AM

Probably one of the most disturbing aspects of Brexit is the rise of English Nationalist Fundamentalism, with accusations of "traitor" being flung about
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Dec 18 - 05:37 AM

"Probably one of the most disturbing aspects of Brexit is the rise of English Nationalist Fundamentalism, with accusations of "traitor" being flung about"

Nah Jim, our resident Right-Wing Extremist says that's just a 'lefty terminological inexactitude' (his rather pompous, clever-shit way of saying 'lie').

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Dec 18 - 05:40 AM

Saw a good one on FarceBook this morning - "Country which says, "Everything will be fine after Brexit" brought to a standstill by a toy helicopter". :-) :-)

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Dec 18 - 05:59 AM

"three interested parties simultaneously."
No foreign country can possibly have a say inn this
If Britain, why not The E.U. ?
Nonsense

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Dec 18 - 08:31 AM

In addition to above
With the vast reduction of the political influence of the Catholic church in the Republic, one of the greatest excuses for not re-unifying used by the Unionists has now been removed
The shenanigans by the Northern fundamentalists regarding abortion and same-sex marriage is quit likely to do the same job
HOPEFULLY, THE SAME WILL SOON BE THE CASE REGARDING DIVORCE
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 24 Dec 18 - 03:35 PM

As a break from our usual disputes, here's hoping everyone on this site, and this thread in particular, gets to enjoy this time in whatever way suits them. Celebrate with friends and family or just relaxing quietly: however you choose to spend it. I have little doubt that whatever our different views, each person on here is arguing for the country to be the best it can be, even though we differ on what that means. The next few months look as if they will be as eventful as the last ones, and depending on what happens so might the coming years. But just for a few days, we can put that aside, I hope, and wish each other well.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Dec 18 - 07:35 PM

A Christmas Truce.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Stanron
Date: 24 Dec 18 - 08:01 PM

Festive greetings to all.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Dec 18 - 10:03 AM

Some good reading here, and in the article linked to in the piece, about the reasons why people voted leave - as a deep-seated protest against the inequalities and injustices in our own country.

Worth reading, when the inanities of ChristmasDayTV begin to pall.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Dec 18 - 07:52 PM

Missed a bit
Happy New Year to all
Jim

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Dec 18 - 09:10 PM

Wi' knobs on, Jim, wi' knobs on, walkin' about wi' clogs on!

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 29 Dec 18 - 03:43 AM

Too much christmas spirit I think!

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Dec 18 - 04:21 AM

"Too much christmas spirit I think!"
Come back when you sober up then
Plenty to respond to there if you're that way inclined
How about a New Years Resolution that you'll join in instead of throwing stones from a safe distance - does wonders for the image and the personal satisfaction !!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Dec 18 - 06:15 AM

Make sure that they're living historians only, writing in the last thirty years and whose books may be found on the shelves of reputable bookshops. Definitely nothing by AJP Taylor or Alan Clark, natch. It would be good to see someone such as yourself continuing to carry the flag...

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Stanron
Date: 29 Dec 18 - 06:35 AM

Wot !?! No Herodotus, no Thucydides, no Xenophon, no Cato the Elder, no Livy, Ceasar or Tacitus ?

The Venerable Bede no longer venerated ?

If your history is historical it can no longer be history?

Sounds like potty water to me.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Raggytash
Date: 29 Dec 18 - 01:23 PM

Meanwhile .......... Back to Brexit.

It is reported today that the UK government is spending over 100 million to secure extra ferries to try and limited the negative impact on major ports in the event of a no-deal situation.

Could someone kindly link to the article in todays Guardian entited 'Brexit over 100 million spent on extra ferries'

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 29 Dec 18 - 02:09 PM

I fink the Taoiseach is about as popular as Macron. Like Macron he should tidy up his own backyard before doing his damnedest to frustrate brexitf

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/2019-chaos-crisis-and-conflict-as-brexit-looms-37645897.html

For example:
"The UK leaving the EU presents the most serious threat to Irish farming and our agri-food sector in the history of the State.
IFA has identified the critical issues for farming and food and clear objectives that must be delivered to secure the interests of Ireland’s vital agri-food sector in the years ahead."