Brexit #2

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 05:26 PM

A right little fascist, your uido? - but we knew that.
No. It is what you like to label him as. Let me help you. Fascism = As an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer. The word derives from fasces, the Roman symbol of collectivism and power: a tied bundle. Sounds more like a definition of the loony leftards to me!

Care to point out a flaw in his statements, in my post above?

You are getting very boring constantly attacking the messenger because you cannot deny the message. Do you not get tired of repeating the same approach? You do not convince anyone with half an active brain cell.
Why do you not attempt adult argument, or does that present too much of a challenge?

An interesting aside from guido. Why lefties are totally unable to grasp economics, and thus totally unfit to govern. They escape to la la land in their infancy. As shown below.

https://order-order.com/2018/11/19/left-wing-students-demand-nus-spending-response-5-4m-deficit/

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 03:49 PM

We've all had. Tsk.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 03:48 PM

"But if all the leavers change their minds and vote "Remain" where will this sudden flash of 'intelligence' come from?
Answer me that!"

No sudden flash of intelligence required. We've wlll had two and a half years of learning-curve brexiteer bullshit to inform us. We know a lot more now, in particular about all those issues that the June 23 2016 brexit brigade thought would be so easy. The Irish border, for example. And they won't all change their minds. Some of them will though. Which is what you're scared of.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 03:15 PM

Gentlemen,

Once again can I remind you of my opening post when I asked that people refrained from personal abuse and stuck firmly to the topic of the thread.

Please ..........

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 01:01 PM

Oops! .... like exchange rates where causes are challengable.

I may not agree the whole list, but with luck there will be enough be can both agree to.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 12:59 PM

Thinking about it, Stanron, there is no need to refer back to my conversation with Keith. I am quite happy if you suggest a list of things as measurable as whether the lorry parks are in use on such a date, that you are happy to use as tests of whether Brexit is a success or not. They need to be precise and measurable - things management theory refers to as S.M.A.R.T. rather than vague things like

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 12:42 PM

"keepimg up a string of abuse instead of rational argument. Must be due to the pack mentality!
Are so stupid as not to realise how your abusive post complaining about abuse only underlines your own abusive stupidity
For Christs' sake - grow up
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 12:42 PM

"keepimg up a string of abuse instead of rational argument. Must be due to the pack mentality!
Are so stupid as not to realise how your abusive post complaining about abuse only underlines your own abusive stupidity
For Christs' sake - grow up
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 12:41 PM

DMcG wrote: I set out below what I mean by "going well" in a conversation with Keith.

Will you?
Date and time of this? The ....If this happens we could both decide that we do not need to eat any pie at all

That's sounding very like a 'no', you know, Stanron.

To be precise, Keith and I were only talking about the 'no-deal' case. As to the date and time, it is earlier in this very thread. I said 'below', which is a bit confusing because it depends how you read the threads, but 'earlier' is clear enough. And it was based on fairly measurable things, like whether the motorways are being used as lorry parks three months after March 29th 2019.

For 'a deal', I am not sure there is too much measureable we could address within a year, given nothing much is likely to change before the end of the transition.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 12:17 PM

" In the 1930s it supported appeasement."
As did the British Government, even to the extent of members of the Royal family supporting the Nazis and teaching The Queen, as a child to give the Nazi salute

"In the 1940s it supported nationalisation."
To pay for the promises of "a home fit for heroes to live in"

The CBI has followed the lead of various Tory governments every step of the way - i oy object to this why the fuuck do you support Tory Policy as you do?

The rest speaks fro itself - Brexit has proved a shambls from day one and not one of those attemting to depose May has come up with an alternative

A right little fascist, your uido - but we knew that
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Stanron
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 11:31 AM

DMcG wrote: I set out below what I mean by "going well" in a conversation with Keith.

Will you?

Date and time of this? The problem with answering the 'will you?' question is that if Brexit actually occurs, and we actually agree that it has occurred we would then have to agree as to whether it has gone well or not.

I happily predict that if Brexit occurs Labour will claim it to be a disaster in order to make political capital even if, by my view, it is a success.

If this happens we could both decide that we do not need to eat any pie at all.

Gregs will be livid.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 11:17 AM

Good to see the leftards keepimg up a string of abuse instead of rational argument. Must be due to the pack mentality!

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 10:59 AM

I have said before, Stanron, that I hope I am wrong about how this is going and will certainly eat humble pie if it goes well. I set out below what I mean by "going well" in a conversation with Keith.

Will you?

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Stanron
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 10:55 AM

I do hope I live to see in a years time who, if anyone, actually eats humble pie.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 10:53 AM

And before Nitpicking Nigs, The Scourge of the Fourth Form, jumps in with his playground antics - I know I missed an 'f' out of 'dumbfuck'. I'll take 100 lines, if it makes him feel better about himself.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 10:50 AM

...and now the self-same dumbfucks are being led by the nose by a Right-Wing Extremist, racist criminal. Dumbuck is as dumbfuck does.

And Labour's policy on BrexShit is immaterial. In case it's a bit too difficult for you to understand, I'll explain - Labour aren't the party-of-Government, your Tories are, and a damn fine mess they're making of everything, BrexShit included.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 10:44 AM

Never have so many feeble-minded, racist, xenophobic simpletons been led by the nose by so few..

Sounds like a perfect description of the leftard pack trying to dominate this thread.
And below is a gem from Guido:
The CBI has endorsed Theresa May’s draft withdrawal agreement, Guido thought it would be a good time to remind younger readers of its long and distinguished history of making bad political calls:

    In the 1930s it supported appeasement.
    In the 1940s it supported nationalisation.
    In the 1950s it supported state planning.
    In the 1960s it supported tripartite industrial relations.
    In the 1970s it supported price controls.
    In the 1980s it opposed getting tough with the USSR.
    In the 1990s it supported the ERM.
    In the 2000s it supported joining the Euro.
    In the 2010s it supported Remain…
    … and now it has declared its support for May’s draft withdrawal agreement.

Not exactly a laudable record…

And what is labours brexit policy these days? They ring the changes faster than a madras hitting the porcelain throne.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 10:38 AM

"But if all the leavers change their minds and vote "Remain" "
Nothing to do with the end result, as you have been told numerous times - nobody knows what the result of a second referendum will be
Brexit was sold on a hate package without being aware of the consequences - now those consequences have become more clear, the people who voted are entitled to confirm their support or change their mind
Those who mistrusted politicians enough not to vote are entitled to rethink their position
Democracy should never be restricted by a 'caveat emptor' clause - that would require everybody being told everything from the beginning
The shits who pushed this through have persistently blamed the people for the result "that's what the people wanted" - pig in a pole politics
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 10:30 AM

And, for the benefit of the Chief Dumbfuck on here, here are eleven things you thought you voted for, but which have been abandoned - and we haven't even had BrexShit yet!

Never have so many feeble-minded, racist, xenophobic simpletons been led by the nose by so few...

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 10:28 AM

I don't always succeed, by any means, but I do try to distinguish between Leavers and Brexiteers. Leavers, on a balance of probability and their assessments, came to the conclusion that to go was the most appropriate vote. Brexiteers are those of an ERG-like ideological commitment to leaving whatever the damage over the "short term". The first group will weigh the evidence again and may come to same conclusion or change. The second will not.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 10:16 AM

" The only way out of this is the abandonment of brexit, and it looks like the only way to achieve that would be another referendum, a prospect that I abhor but which I'm beginning to think I should now support."

But the cry of the leftards is that the valiant brexiteers are too stupid to know what they voted for.
As per the backward man:Date: 29 Aug 18 - 04:15 PM

And the resident troll objects to me referring to Brexiters as 'dumbfucks'? Obviously hit a nerve there.

But if all the leavers change their minds and vote "Remain" where will this sudden flash of 'intelligence' come from?
Answer me that!

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 06:35 AM

Indeed. I remind you of my earlier post. the arch Leaver Leadsom and my local MP Royston Smith both putting in writing that May's deal is worse than remaining (but both declining to confirm that if their choice was between only those two they would go for remain).

So they assert "A is worse than B". "And, if you are forced to choose between them because your preference C is not available?" The worse one, A, as far as we can tell.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 06:20 AM

A prime example of the level of intellect of Leavers....and this one is an MP, elected to take part in making the important decisions that affect all our lives!

We're doomed, ah tell ye, doo-o-o-oomed! :-(

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 05:36 AM

A joke Nigel preying - praying
It seems our brothers on the right need a sense of humour transplant as well as a conscience
Jim :-)

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 05:19 AM

"The Praying Mantis "
Preying mantis, you mean ?
Have to be careful that our own muppets don't catch you out on your spelling !!

No need, if you're going to do it. However, Backwoodsman used the correct spelling for the insect also known as Mantis religiosa.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 05:04 AM

"The Praying Mantis "
Preying mantis, you mean ?
Have to be careful that our own muppets don't catch you out on your spelling !!
Jim

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 04:32 AM

Mrs. Backwoodsperson and I were discussing the calamitous debacle of BrexShit yesterday, and she reminded me of a 'vox-pop' on one of the BBC news programmes a couple of weeks after the Referendum. The interviewee, a typical Leaver (two-sizes-too-small sweat-shirt, jogging bottoms, un-combed hair, no front teeth) wanted to know why, two weeks after 'the cuntry voted to Leave', we still hadn't 'left Europe'.

"Why are we still in Europe?" he demanded, "We voted to Leave Europe. We should just leave now - today - it's simple!".

Maybe they should have signed him on as Brexit Secretary there and then. He couldn't have done any worse a job than The Praying Mantis and her bunch of Muppets.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 04:26 AM

There may be less stockpiling than you think

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Thompson
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 04:12 AM

I don’t think the British can abandon Brexit at this stage. This insanity has become their norm, even if they pull down the whole western economy with them. The best thing Europe can do is to try to quarantine them so the other economies won’t be infected.

God help them. Apparently frozen food is being stockpiled in huge quantities by British wholesalers.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Nov 18 - 03:07 AM

Not sure the Labour Party is baying for an election, though, if the Tory dissidents get their way, I think one would be inevitable
No Government can possibly survive a major defeat of this nature
This has long ceased to be about leaving Europe to Mogg and Johnson - it has become their crawkling-board to leadership.
Labour would be lacking in its duty to allow them get there
May is bad enough, but these people are truely the dregs of British politics - old school thugs of the worst kind
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 05:27 PM

I agree, and I also think that the general election that Labour is baying for would solve nothing whatever the outcome. The only way out of this is the abandonment of brexit, and it looks like the only way to achieve that would be another referendum, a prospect that I abhor but which I'm beginning to think I should now support.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: The Sandman
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 03:07 PM

I THINK SHE WILL BE,Because the tory mps know that the alternatives are more incompetent

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 02:20 PM

And thanks in advance for telling me that I missed out a speech mark!

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 02:19 PM

Nigel is wrong. Whether or not a sentence is a question is entirely a matter of context. Try this:

"I'll be home on Wednesday, Mum."

"You won't be here on Tuesday?"

No, sorry, Mum."

That works perfectly both in print and in speech. This is a path not worth following, Nigel.

Now let's discuss instead whether Theresa will still be here on Tuesday... :-)

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 11:54 AM

And there are some 'I' in that which should be 'it's. That's autotext combined with using my phone keyboard and typing while I am in the passenger seat of a car.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 11:51 AM

It is not usually a good idea to try to explain humour, but I thought it was obvious to all and sundry that my writing "I am" rather than "Am I" was an error. If you are concerned enough, it arose because I was originally written as a sentence and part of the way through I changed, but because I am not writing for a textbook or thesis but am making a throw away remark I did not treat it as if it had any great significance so did not eliminate that mistake.

Secondly, by sheer chance the mistake led to a valid English sentence with the same meaning. Conversational English is valid English. Literary English is not the only valid form, though I expect we can find examples of that form in literary works if we cared to look.

Thirdly it must have been obvious, surely, that saying "Nigel will explain it" was a gentle dig at your tendency to argue
about any grammatical faux pas, even if it is of no significance whatever. Actually responding is a touch silly.

So a joke. Maybe not a good one, but a joke nevertheless.

Now do you want to say anything whatsoever relevant to the Brexit deal, the current state of the government, the Sunday Times report on military preparations? Or any aspect of Brexit?

Yours, with tongue in cheek,
DMcG

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 11:27 AM

Nigel, most people on this site do not hold degree in English Language. We type more or less as we speak.

To nickpick about the use of language is exactly that nitpicking.

Please try and tell me something positive about the UK leaving the EU.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 10:31 AM

It seems to me that 'Union Jack' and typos have suddenly come into fashion when the Brexiteers ran out of explanations for this appalling shambles
Does anybody really care ?
It seems to me that the only thing to have come out of this 'Little Britain' decision so far is the destabilisation and almost inevitable destruction if the Conservative Party
I'd salute any flag to see that happen
Rule Britannia eh what !!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 09:45 AM

From: DMcG - PM
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 05:13 PM
It is valid English form, Iains, though less common than the 'Am I'. I am sure Nigel will be along to explain it shortly.
Sorry, no. I cannot find a valid construction that would make: I am the only one who finds it amusing the Tory blue is derived from the Scottish part of Union flag? into a valid question, despite the question mark at the end.
For it to be a question you would need to change the start to "Am I . . ." or, add something at the end, such as "I am the only one who finds it amusing the Tory blue is derived from the Scottish part of Union flag, am I not?
You might get it accepted in spoken English as then tone of voice can be added, which helps indicate from the start that it is intended as a question. That doesn't work in print. It would work, possibly, if we introduced the Spanish practice of starting sentences with inverted punctuation.

As to the use of "Union jack" I also used to argue that it was not strictly correct. But I have since been informed that it is perfectly valid. The following page shows that not only does the usage pre-date the term "jackstaff", but that it also has parliamentary backing. Flag institute.org
I still usually term it the Union flag, if only to avoid starting long discussions.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 08:39 AM

"You wont catch me arguing about apostrophe's. "
Give them a break Steve
If they have nothing else, they have to argue about something

A street walker named Maggie May
Walked her beat 'round Westminster one day
She met with four knobs, all after her job,
"You can have it, but you'll have to pay"
Jim

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 06:40 AM

You wont catch me arguing about apostrophe's.

We are truly living in a nightmare. The Tories will make it even worse if they try the confidence trick. They'll lose and that'll mean she's there for another year minimum. And I really can't see what difference another Tory leader would make. Theresa May is actually garnering sympathy, thoroughly undeserved, all round except from those hard-bitten brain-dead twats on the right wing of her party. To compound the nightmare, I'm certain that Corbyn wouldn't do any better if he suddenly found himself in charge. Having been utterly against it until now, I've come to the conclusion that another referendum is the only way out of this morass. It'll mean no brexit and big trouble for years to come, but that would be a damn sight better than the prospect we're facing now.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 05:11 AM

Even Michael Heseltine, arch tory, says we should hold another referendum saying that future generations we not forgive us if we leave.

Link

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 05:01 AM

The Leave-Muppets argue about about apostrophes because the truth about their ludicrous fantasies is being laid bare, and they have nothing left. Some good stuff here...

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 04:19 AM

So the government is imploding, the Sunday Times reports preparations being made for troops on the street, the arch Leaver Leadsom and my local MP Royston Smith both putting in writing that May's deal is worse than remaining (but both declining to confirm that if their choice was between only those two they would go for remain), five of so members of the cabinet thinking they can change the wording of the backstop agreement in a few days, impervious to the knowledge this has been the main focus of the negotiations for months, the Labour party appearing to be demanding its own equally unachievable form of Brexit agreement...


And we argue about apostrophes?

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 03:40 AM

The above was a windup.It should of course be bosses'

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 03:29 AM

Bosses = plural possessive of boss's. If no S to pronounce then no apostrophe either.
Call yourself well educated? What a fool!

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 07:31 PM

"The working class can kiss my a***s
I've got the bosses job and class"

Gosh. You got "Union Jack" all wrong and you've now managed to utterly mash up this couplet.

For your info, it goes:

"The working class can kiss my ass
I've got the foreman's job at last"

I could mention the rather excessive number of asterisks you employed in "a***s", not to speak of the illiterate "bosses", but I suppose you've probably had a hard day and that we should let that pass...

Worth remembering, perhaps, next time you prattle on (as you do) about someone else's typographical peccadillos...

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 05:21 PM

Data data everywhere but not a drop of wisdom
I exaggerate but which will come first, a revolution by idiots or a World War?
You can try and talk Tom Cruise out of Scientology if you think you can change anyone's political persuasion.
It is only how effective you make your own base that counts.
There are more posts about underlying fear than uniting your base.
Anything else is just political masturbation until you make each others head pop.

The most effective thing I can do for this crew is to shut the fuck up and watch the apocalypse on TV even if one person can make a difference. It ain't me babe no no no it ain't me

There are more positive threads like How many, amazing dog, recipes, should be banned.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 05:13 PM

It is valid English form, Iains, though less common than the 'Am I'. I am sure Nigel will be along to explain it shortly.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 05:10 PM

You asking us, or telling   us?