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Brexit #2

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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 03:49 PM

"Ode to stevie blunder(the union activist"
No bright eunuch tae mak' yer ain laddie ?
Whit a TOSSER - roll on the next Games
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 03:28 PM

There once was a writer named Staines
Who, for stories, dredged sewers and drains
But on being found out, he gave a loud shout;
"How would you do with just shit for brains?"
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 03:22 PM

There was a fine fellow named Jake
Who believed a great leader he'd make
But he thought it more canny to first go and ask Nanny.
She said, "Yes dear; but first, eat up your cake"

or
There once was a lessie named Tess
Got the country in such a fine
But instead of resigning she sat at home whining:
"I'm afraid we'll just settle for less
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 03:13 PM

"You are the epitome of the pig-ignorant Sun-reading, brainless bloody prole. And you're even a bit shit at geology. I'm not even a geologist, and I can see it. It's late. Sleep tight, "fellah."

Prole?????

The working class can kiss my a***s
I've got the bosses job and class

Ode to stevie blunder(the union activist


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 02:56 PM

So do your Iains, the Union Flag is only correctly named a "Union Jack" when it is flown on the Jack Staff of a ship

That may well explain the orgin of the term but present usage is either Union Jack or Union Flag regardless of how or where displayed. Only vexillologists make a distinction.AS wiki states" Even if the term "Union Jack" does derive from the jack flag (as perhaps seems most likely), after three centuries, it is now sanctioned by usage, has appeared in official usage, and remains the popular term. The BBC website disregards the term "union flag" because of its "great potential for confusion", preferring union jack (in lower case) The Merchant Shipping Act 1995 refers to the national colours of the United Kingdom as "the Union flag (commonly known as the Union Jack)".

As you so like to malign the illustrious font of all knowledge Guido Fawkes. Here are a few tasties to redress the balance:
labour mp charged perverting course of justice

sex abuse allegations labour
Elliot Morley
Former environment minister and Labour MP for Scunthorpe
Offence – Pleaded guilty to fraudulently claiming £32,000 of parliamentary expenses.
David Chaytor
Former Labour MP for Bury North
Offence – Pleaded guilty to three counts of false accounting relating to approximately £18,000 of parliamentary expenses.
Eric Illsley
Former Labour MP for Barnsley Central
Offence – Pleaded guilty to fraudulently claiming £14,000 in parliamentary expenses.
Jim Devine
Former Labour MP for Livingston
Offence – Found guilty of dishonestly claiming £8,385 in parliamentary expenses.

Never learn do you?          John 8:7


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 02:18 PM

Apparently the Nationalists will own the UK, they try harder and are more focused.


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 02:03 PM

"So do your Iains, the Union Flag is only correctly named a "Union Jack" when it is flown on the Jack Staff of a ship."
OBVIOUSLY NOT
Not the brightest Iron Cross on the uniform, is he ?
Jim


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 01:37 PM

"Tory colours are dark blue, derived from the Union Jack. "
What an ignorant soul you are
If you knew what you were talking about you would realise that this forum only gives one choice of any colour
How frigging petty can you get - beats typos into back place anyday
You really aren't very good at this are you
Wanna try another flyting (look it up) ?
Tosser !!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 01:30 PM

Not only chief advisor for Trump white nationalism, Bannon is steering fascism in the UK, in case you missed this Wiki nugget.
I am sure more is to come about Bannon from Mueller as well.

European politics
Bannon has announced plans to move to Brussels for half the year to launch a new political operation to unite populist parties across Europe before the European Parliament election. He has formed a foundation for nationalist parties called The Movement.

Brazilian elections
In August 2018, Bannon met with Eduardo Bolsonaro, the son of far-right candidate Jair Bolsonaro, and serves as informal advisor to the Bolsonaro campaign in the Brazilian presidential elections.

Political beliefs
Bannon told Michael Lewis in February 2018, "We got elected on Drain the Swamp, Lock Her Up, Build a Wall. This was pure anger. Anger and fear is what gets people to the polls." He added, "The Democrats don't matter. The real opposition is the media. And the way to deal with them is to flood the zone with shit."

Individual issues
Bannon has advocated reductions in immigration and restrictions on free trade, particularly with China and Mexico. He is in favor of raising federal income taxes to 44% for those earning incomes over $5 million a year as a way to pay for middle class tax cuts.[49] He also supports significantly increasing spending on infrastructure, describing himself as "the guy pushing a trillion-dollar infrastructure plan". Bannon is opposed to government bailouts, describing them as "socialism for the very wealthy".[197] He generally believes in reducing the size of the federal bureaucracy, declaring at the Conservative Political Action Conference he favored the "deconstruction of the administrative state". However, he does support increased regulation of Internet companies like Facebook and Google, which he regards as akin to utilities in the modern age. He opposed the merger between Time-Warner and AT&T on antitrust grounds. He was a strong opponent of the Paris climate agreement within the administration, successfully persuading the President to withdraw from it.

On overseas military intervention
He is generally skeptical of military intervention abroad, opposing proposals for the expansion of U.S. involvement in the War in Afghanistan,[50] the Syrian Civil War, and the crisis in Venezuela. On the Middle East
Bannon strongly favors U.S. withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal,[206] and was supportive of the approach taken by Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman during the 2017 Qatar diplomatic crisis and the 2017 Saudi Arabian purge.[citation needed] He believes Qatar is "no less dangerous" than North Korea.

Bannon believes Iran, Turkey and China are forming a "new axis" to challenge the West, and has described Turkey as "the greatest danger facing the United States" and "far more dangerous than Iran".[208]

Bannon reportedly speaks often with Trump donor Sheldon Adelson, and has been alarmed at a push for a renewed Middle East peace process.[210] He has described Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas as a "terrorist". He has advocated giving the land in the West Bank to Jordan and in Gaza to Egypt.

On the UK
Although Bannon initially favored the British National Party (BNP) and the English Defense League (EDL) in the United Kingdom, he later backed the UK Independence Party (UKIP).

Nigel Farage, the former leader of UKIP, once presented Bannon with a portrait of Bannon dressed as Napoleon Bonaparte. Bannon has encouraged Farage to return as leader of UKIP.

Bannon has called for the release of former EDL leader Tommy Robinson from prison, describing him as the "backbone" of Britain.

Bannon has also called for a revolt in the United Kingdom should the country adopt a soft Brexit, stating, "If I was in middle England and said this wasn't what I voted for I would rise up and make sure the guys in parliament knew it." When asked whether this should be interpreted as a "call to arms", he replied: "Absolutely".

Bannon has met with Jacob Rees-Mogg, a prospective candidate for the leadership of the country's Conservative Party, describing him as "one of the best thinkers in the conservative movement on a global basis."

Bannon has also urged Boris Johnson, another potential leadership contender, who Bannon said in July 2018 that he had known "over the last year" and was "very impressed" with, to challenge Prime Minister Theresa May. According to a Buzzfeed News report, Bannon was in private contact with Johnson during his visit to Britain that month, and the two men were previously in text communication during their respective tenures as White House Chief Strategist and British Foreign Secretary.


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Raggytash
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 01:20 PM

So do your Iains, the Union Flag is only correctly named a "Union Jack" when it is flown on the Jack Staff of a ship.

If you really want to be a little Englander at least learn your history.


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 01:14 PM

Tory colours are dark blue, derived from the Union Jack. Your own work shows the usual deficiencies. Oh dear!


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 01:08 PM

People like Bannon, Trump and Farage are the symptoms of the rather than the disease itself - the buboes in the armpit of society
Jim


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 12:56 PM

"outright plagiarism."
As you're fond of saying - oh dear !!

A cabal the brightest of BLUE
One day planned a leadership coup
This sad bunch of tossers all aspired to be bosses
And flushed the poor Brits down the loo

All my own work
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 12:56 PM

Well then Reformer Jim I'm sure you can Re-form Bannon into something no self respecting Nazi could stomach. Defame to deflate and defeat.


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 11:41 AM

outright plagiarism.

There once was a PM named May
Determined to get her own way.
Not listening to reason,
She opted for treason
And was gone by the end of the day.


We hope!


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 11:29 AM

I know what's happening in the U.S. Don - scares the shit out of me (though to a degree, it's not really that new)
We watched nightly over the seven years while as your 'Democratic nation' pured burning petrol on peasant farmers and sprayed them with carcinogenic chemicals which took out your own pilots
Not much new under the sun.
A statement in The Irish Times chilled me to the bone when I read it "There is a Nigel Farage in every country in Europe at present"

I'm actually not that hard line - a bit of a reformist rather than a revolutionary nowadays
I believe the E.U. to be an organisation of Capitalist States trying to defend Capitalism as it dies
I would rather support that than the alternative, but it doesn't mean I am unaware of what I'm supporting
Jim


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 11:13 AM

Jim we know you are a tough cookie.
You need to get Bannon who is unifying disparate Nazi sects in Europe ask we speak.


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 11:06 AM

"The UK was the bastion of Democracy when the rest of Europe was under nationalistic Nazi control."
A matter of opinion -
Britain was fighting a defensive war because it attempted to appease Nazizm upto the point where it could no longer do so - the failure to launch a 'Second Front' was an indication that that appeasement sill remained to a a degree during the war
It really is complex - much of this involved pragmatism rather than real democracy
Any democracy was introduced after the war by a watered down 'socialist' Government - despite fierce opposition from Britain's former leaders
My old man was criminalised for fighting fascism in Spain, just as members of his family were for taking to the streets to fight an Antisemitic member of the House of Lords (protected by British policemen on horseback)
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 10:42 AM

I hear pessimistic voices from some of you.
The UK was the bastion of Democracy when the rest of Europe was under nationalistic Nazi control.
What's the matter, don't you think you can do it again?
Have you lost your leadership or your spine?
When only the Nationalists sound confident you sound weak.


Italy is close again to nationalist rule, but are you?
I really don't think so.
Elsewhere the right is only in third place,
soon that will be only as far that Trumpism will get in the US.


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 10:30 AM

I suggest the answer to not getting this thread closed is not to respond to those who advocate for their own favourite terrorist states and treat the pressing problems as what they are - a result in the sharp rise in the extremist right
I don't think there are many here who have trouble in sorting out the sheep from the lambs in that one
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: KarenH
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 10:21 AM

Donuel

With respect, one of the biggest threats to social democracies in Europe has to be the US neo-right, including, but not limited to, Breitbart.


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Mossback
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 10:13 AM

Demonizing a misogynistic, homophobic, totalitarian, terrorist supporting theocracy

I assume you're referring the right-wing Israeli government?


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: bobad
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 10:10 AM

I left out oppressive, xenophobic, anti-American and anti-Semitic because I wouldn't want to, you know, be accused of demonizing them.


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: bobad
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 10:05 AM

at the same time demonising them

Demonizing a misogynistic, homophobic, totalitarian, terrorist supporting theocracy............good heavens, imagine!


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 09:32 AM

"Russia, Cold War Style,"
There seems to be a lot of point missing here
The "free" former Communist nations are far more of a world threat than ever they were under communism - there was never a threat of invasion or direct interference from The Soviet Union, China, or any of the old states
First we had direct interference in referenda and national elections, now we have outbreaks of poisonings in Britain and the torture and murder of a foreign national in Saudi Arabia
This is now an international ball-game encouraged by the populism set rolling by Brexit - all the extremists have to do is wag a flag and make foreigners culprits and they are on a winner
Fascist parties on the rise, the Nazis back on the streets of Germany... we've been here before - throw in the Klan ready to take to the streets of Northern Ireland and Britain and you can include places we've never been]

"Russia - Iran"
How about your own flavour of the month Bobad - selling nuclear triggers to Iran, while at the same time demonising them ?
The Israeli leadership, as right wing as it is, is now at war with its own extremists over attempts to negotiate peace with the Palestinians

The fall of Communism was heralded as a great leap forward - now there is hardly a Continent on the planet where there is not cause for concern

As a young man, I took to the streets to oppose nuclear weapons - we were told they would never be used but were necessary as "deterrents" - not an arument I ever bought.
Now we are being asked to accept a world where only the extremists right nations - America, Israel, The Saudis..... have a list has been compiled as to who is fit to hold them, headed by a madman who boasts that "his button is bigger than anyone else's"
We need to hang our heads in shame over the world we have bequeathed to those who will take over, and we certainly need to stop pointing fingers and start to clean up our own dog-shit
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 09:19 AM

The proposal by May as regads the irish border is in my opinion a reasonable one, i am not a supporter of the conservative p[arty , but nobobdy has come up with anything better apart from the suggestion of a second referendum and who knows how that would go, a uk leadership conservative party contest with the subsequent instabilty is not in the interst of people in ireland at this moment


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 08:34 AM

or is it all expensive racism


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 08:22 AM

My point is that I see that even the enlightened folks in the UK are getting bogged down in unimportant detail. Democracy is at stake. The Brexit issue presents the conundrum that democracy is challenged because of one very large uninformed vote and as a result democracy is damned if you do or damned if you don't implement Brexit.


Both are important, Donuel, and they are interconnected.   What happens if a large proportion of the population have substantially reduced their resources? A lot can be done by changing what you eat, how you live and so on, but it is not inexhaustible. I think you get an amplification of the belief that 'democracy does not work for me', which fed into the forces for Brexit and the election of Trump, and many others riding the populistic waves.

The essential condition for democracy to work is that people feel that on balance it is a way of improving their or their descendants lot. If that goes, so does a belief in democracy as a whole.


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: bobad
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 08:22 AM

Are the people there really forgetting that they have been socially attacked by Russia

Russia is not the only hostile state meddling in the UK, Iran is also doing its part.

See: TOI


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 08:10 AM

DMcG You said "...live of some kind of savings." It should be
"Live ON some kind of savings."
Nigel (Donuel) Parsons

My point is that
I see that even the enlightened folks in the UK are getting bogged down in unimportant detail. Democracy is at stake. The Brexit issue presents the conundrum that democracy is challenged because of one very large uninformed vote and as a result democracy is damned if you do or damned if you don't implement Brexit.

As an American I am insulated and naive regarding the information overload you guys are immersed in. So I am instead left to think of the big picture.

Are the people there really forgetting that they have been socially attacked by Russia, Cold War Style, for your hearts and minds to be subverted from a united Western liberal Democracy?

Sure you all speak with expertise about the next domino that is about to fall in your country as a result of the squabble over left-right, Hard-Soft, wet-dry, Brexit-Fixits. These are details that are given power by discussion that need not have arisen in the first place.

Could 51% of you be united against a common foe (Russia) instead of yourselves? Is there room for a reset/revote?


Was Belgium that tyranical? Am I all wrong?


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 05:51 AM

Will grey anoraks be cheaper after brexit!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 05:43 AM

INTERESTING COMMENTS HERE THAT WILL BE IGNORED BY OUR DEFENDERS OF THE REALM
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 05:27 AM

Somewhat reminiscent of Jim Naughtie's faulty yet oddly appropriate rendering of Jeremy Hunt's surname. As it involved a word I try never to type out, let's just say that the Cockney rhyming slang of it is very likely "James Blunt."


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 05:18 AM

"I've always thought it sloppy and disrespectful to misspell people's names through carelessness and inadequate checking, so I hereby eat humble pie and correct my rendering yesterday of Penny Mordaunt's surname, much as I detest the woman."

I agree Steve. I always seem to have spelling problems with Michael 'Bad-Wig' Fabricunt.


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 05:03 AM

I've always thought it sloppy and disrespectful to misspell people's names through carelessness and inadequate checking, so I hereby eat humble pie and correct my rendering yesterday of Penny Mordaunt's surname, much as I detest the woman.


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 04:12 AM

What has been said on frequent occasions is a "promise" that things will be better for us all if we leave the EU.

It is worse than that. Most Brexit commentators and promoters recognise there will be some short term disruption, but insist in the future it will be better.

Keith was honest enough to say he believed that disruption would last at most three months after Brexit day if we left with no deal. Nigel, despite picking me up on an error I made with dates, was not prepared to give any indication how long these short term effects might last. Some politicians have said 10 years, and while Rees-Mogg didn't quite say how long they would last, be did say it might take 50 years for the full effects of Brexit to be understood.

What 'short term' means is vital, because to cope with short term disruption requires resources. Some big manufacturers are stock-piling: that ties up money and affects balance sheets. Some householders may be thinking of or actually doing the same with non-perishable food - again, that ties up resources. Whether you do that or not, come any actual disruption you may be living of some kind of savings - actual money or food stocks for example - to cover any shortfall during the disruption.

Now, if you are a millionaire, you may well be able to cover a disruption lasting a few years. On the other hand if you are living on a zero hours minimum wage job you may not have enough resources to last a week. Small businesses may have enough cash in the bank to pay their workers for a month or two but would go bust if the disruption continued for three months.

That is why how long and how severe the disruptions are matter. Sunny uplands beyond, even if real and not some mirage, cannot be considered in isolation.


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 03:09 AM

"Let's see if Nigel can make a better job of it"

Very doubtful Jim, although I'm sure he'll get immense satisfaction from pointing out slip-ups in your grammar, or punctuation errors. ;-) ;-)


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Nov 18 - 02:57 AM

"More little jimmie frothing idiocy. "
And more insecure insulting childishness, you are not even very good at that
You have never offered original opinions, nor have you attempted to respond to the actual situation
Where is your response to the economic uncertainty that is predicted to last for at least a decade that this crass referendum has set into motion?
Or the racist policy on which it was sold?
Or the fact that it will almost certainly bring the Government down and possibly break up the United Kingdom ?
Or the immorality and inhumanity of refusing refugees asylum while at the same time arming their persecutors ?
These, and many more points you have totally ignored; in return, each time you find yourself in confronted you scurry behind extremist bloggers - Guido being a favorite - the dregs was a rabid racist site.
That is not discussion - that's mindless soap-boxing
Your return to your anonymous bullying persona is as unpleasantly childish as it is predictable
You want to debate - debate; you want to strut and display, go join a gang, that's how bullies usually operate
It seems my first impressions - "M M", were correct

Raggy just put your situation perfectly
No-one from your side of the discussion has ever proffered any facts.
Not once.


Let's see if Nigel can make a better job of it
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Nov 18 - 06:39 PM

"Bioted?" I had a teddy bear like that once. He was vegan and definitely organic. We didn't get on, but at least he wasn't bigoted.


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Nov 18 - 06:32 PM

"I substantiate what I say with numerous links from varied sources. Frequently when I quote guido I put up alternative media sources..."

No you don't. Please don't try to peddle bullshit. You extremely frequently resort to Guido with no further balancing links. Just because you occasionally use other sources doesn't justify your second sentence. And there's one very basic thing that most thinking people get that you don't. Guido, the Sun, the Express, the Mail and one or two others down there in the gutter don't just relay news. They relay news mixed with comment laced with a healthy dose of sensationalist scandal. That comment may be subtly put. It's put in a tendentious, hidden, right-wing guise. But you don't see it. You've been seriously taken in. You actively seek out sources that confirm your personal bias. I mean, how crude is that? You rarely if ever resort to sources that at least try to report news neutrally, keeping their opinion separate in a separate section of the paper. In fact, you routinely diss media that do that. You'd far rather just brand them, simply because they don't share your bioted ideology, as leftie crap. You are the epitome of the pig-ignorant Sun-reading, brainless bloody prole. And you're even a bit shit at geology. I'm not even a geologist, and I can see it. It's late. Sleep tight, "fellah."


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Raggytash
Date: 16 Nov 18 - 05:07 PM

Iains,

No-one from your side of the discussion has ever proffered any facts.

Not once.

What has been said on frequent occasions is a "promise" that things will be better for us all if we leave the EU.

Now I realise that no one on my side of the discussion has been able to offer any concrete facts either.

However almost without exception every commentator of every hue has proffered that the political and economic ramifications of leaving the EU will be detrimental to the well being of the UK as a whole.

I have asked repeatedly over the past 30 months for a positive reason to be believe that our leaving the EU will be beneficial to the people of this country.

Surely after 30 months you will be able to provide such evidence.

So ...................


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 16 Nov 18 - 03:33 PM

"Most people here offer up documented facts - you rely almost entirely on a tory liar"

More little jimmie frothing idiocy. I substantiate what I say with numerous links from varied sources. Frequently when I quote guido I put up alternative media sources corroborating his information. Rather makes a nonsense of your puerile assertions doncha think?


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 Nov 18 - 02:56 PM

"Most people here offer up documented facts - you rely almost entirely on a tory liar"

Yes Jim, those Tory liars certainly stick together - like dogshit on the sole of your shoe.
Have you noticed how the resident BrexShit-Bumpkins never respond to the substance of what's actually put to them? We have one whose only tactic is to nitpick others' spelling and/or grammar, and another who relies on a proven Right-Wing Extremist, racist criminal.

No wonder Brexit's gone tits-up.


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Nov 18 - 02:48 PM

What data ?
He's a right wing blogger who offers a distorted analysis of events - no data
You hav Persistently dismissed information as "only your opinion", yet you rely on a criminal blogger for your own contributionBoth lacking in imagination and claiming something you will not accept (on occasion) from others
Most people here offer up documented facts - you rely almost entirely on a tory liar


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 16 Nov 18 - 02:22 PM

Here you are, some more facts for you (you do understand the meaning of the word 'facts' do you?) from a considerably more reliable source than a Right-Wing Extremist Criminal.

The only problem that you have is that you have only ever managed to attack the source of the article with your insulting remarks.
Not one of you have managed to discredit his data. A fact you should perhaps ruminate on.


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Nov 18 - 01:37 PM

If you resign from the Cabinet in a huff (Johnson, Raab, Davis, McVey) you've basically shat in your own bed. But one prominent member has decided "to stay loyal to May." Gove.

Meet the next Tory party leader. Oh, I suppose he might have to scrap it out with Leadsom and/or Mordant, two other biters-of-lips. No contest, I'd say. Aren't Tories just so lovely.


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Nov 18 - 01:24 PM

may will survive because the rest of the conservative party mps are even bigger idiots


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 16 Nov 18 - 12:30 PM

Here's another good one.

The government is fighting hard to ensure it does not have the right to cancel the Article 50 unilaterally.


That's taking back control for you.

"And I think to myself/What a wonderful world!"


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 16 Nov 18 - 12:14 PM

That order.order articl3 claims those are from the latest YouGov poll but they do not seem to match the one carried out by YouGov for The Evening Standard after the deal was declared. Can you tell us which poll it is?


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Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 Nov 18 - 11:46 AM

Here you are, some more facts for you (you do understand the meaning of the word 'facts' do you?) from a considerably more reliable source than a Right-Wing Extremist Criminal, and based on a significantly bigger sample than your idiot-boy, Seaman Staines...

https://news.sky.com/story/majority-of-brits-now-against-brexit-and-back-second-eu-referendum-sky-data-poll-11555078


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