Brexit #2

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 10:26 AM

"Note the audience applause!"
Bit out of context
There was equal enthusiasm for all the speakers
Liddell was the only one actually booed last night - why not, he's a misogynist, right wing thug, as one of the other speakers (a women of course) pointed out
One of the striking things in the programme was the lady in the audience
who had voted for Brexit and is now demanding the right to vote again
She got the loudest applause of anybody
You can 'prove' anything if you ignore the awkward bits
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 10:35 AM

"And the audience cheered!"

The writer of that little gem needs to get his hearing checked out by an audiometrist. I heard polite, reserved applause in that clip. Not a single cheer.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 03:50 AM

"You can 'prove' anything if you ignore the awkward bits"
But facts are facts and can always pop up to shine the light of truth on the awkward bits!



Another favourite argument of the remainiacs trashed:
(By no less than the upright man Guido!)

https://order-order.com/2018/09/27/voters-knew-voting/

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 04:01 AM

Now that the troll seems to have found a doll to play with perhaps the adults can go on with this discussion uninterrupted
hLABOUR MANIFESTO SUMMARISED
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 04:19 AM

Hardly convincing. There is a lot of research about how people rationalise and defend decisions after they were made, even when the thing decided is trivial. For a decision that has significant consequences, people almost always say they were right when questioned.

Which is one reason most people would vote exactly the same way, given the same question. Which also why the "people's vote" would not repeat the question.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 04:36 AM

1)scrap student fees. £11.2bn price tag on scrapping fees and bringing back grants
2)Hire 10,000 new police officers, 3,000 new firefighters
and the abbaccus was going to pay them £30p.a. GOOD LUCK with THAT one!
3)End to zero hours contracts. Yet quite happy to employ stewards at the labour conference on the same contracts!

Of course all these daft schemes such as renationalising the railways and water authorities come at a cost.
No doubt the costings have been performed by the abbaccus school of maths aided by liberal sprinklings of fairy dust.

Just a few selections of Lefty lunacy at its best!

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 04:41 AM

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/east-coast-mainline-renationalisation-goverment-virgin-trains-failure-chris-grayling-latest-a8354031.html

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 05:15 AM

Zero hours contracts are ok by mutual agreement, but a worker should a) be entitled to a base level of say 10 hours, if they want it and are prepared to work those hours, and b) be entitled to take work with a different employer even if this precludes them from taking work from the zero hours employer. I suspect the Labour stewards would be fine.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 06:39 AM

Recent headlines:
Labour's manifesto pledge on getting a fair deal at work. ... Ban zero hours contracts – so that every worker gets a guaranteed number of hours each week.

Labour has pledged to ban all zero-hours contracts

Labour council employs one in ten staff on zero hours contracts despite Jeremy Corbyn's vow to ban them

Shining examples of labour hypocrisy.
Do as I say, not as I do!

Does the good book not say?
Matthew 7:12

TSk, Tsk

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 01:20 PM

"Labour has pledged to ban all zero-hours contracts"
That is a manifesto promise that will be carried out after it has been debated with the Unions according to Corbyn's promise
Some party and Union members are demanding complete banning, others are arguing that, in certain circumstances, zero contracts are essential and to the advantage of the employee - the matter has tyet to be decided

One Labour council in Britain has been accused of using zero contracts "in response to the Government's austerity cuts"
THERE ARE NOW 1.8 MILLION ZERO CONTRACT WORKERS IN BRITAIN
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Raggytash
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 01:48 PM

I do find it rather odd that some describes Diane Abbott who holds a Master of Arts degree from Newham College Cambridge a "abbaccus"

Tell us Iains can you claim such a prestige education.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 03:01 PM

I do find it rather odd that some describes Diane Abbott who holds a Master of Arts degree from Newham College Cambridge a "abbaccus"
So do I! an abbaccus perhaps and some describe?

Thought I had better correct that before the resident pedant strikes up. Oh, Sorry he does not do that to the usual gang does he?

Perhaps you would like more shining examples of her numeracy?

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Raggytash
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 04:52 PM

Nicely avoiding the gist of my post Iains.

Diane Abbott attended Newham College, Cambridge. Something that many of us consider to be one hell of an acheivement, espeially considering her background. Her father was a welder and her mother a nurse.

No silver spoon here.

She graduated from that college with a degree in History.

Now Iains can you claim that you have achieved a degree from a Cambridge college ..............

Yet you refer to the lady in a desisory manner as "Abbacus"

No doubt you take your views from your mentor Terribus "I was educated in the University of life" school of thought.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 05:01 PM

Don't bother, Raggy. It really isn't worth the effort.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 03:49 AM

"Don't bother, Raggy. It really isn't worth the effort."
He most certainly Dave, but it is an opportunity to point out that Theresa May's grasp of mathematics in miscalculating her support lost the Government their majority, cost the British taxpayer £1 billion in a bribe to allow her to coninuing to run the country, and cost Britain its reputation because that bribe was to a sectarian party with links to terrorism
Some examples of Tory miscalculations:

BUDGET DEFICITS

ECONOMIC RECORD SINCE 2010

MISUSE OF TAXES

BBANKS BAILOUT

Much easier to call a politician stupidly childish names that deal in real economics
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 03:59 AM

More loony left nonsense:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6223091/LIZ-JONES-happened-did-Socialist-Yoga-bunch-Jeremy-Corbyn-worshippers.html

and the scary side of leftards:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1024709/labour-party-union-tuc-schools-bully

Tories rule OK! (Thank God!)

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 04:11 AM

More gems from the abbaccus:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fkt0cevwMU

"No doubt you take your views from your mentor Terribus"

Ah yes! The man that always destroyed the pontifications of the cabal here by using cold hard logic.

By the way did he not call you a snapping hyena? Very apt, I feel!

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 05:44 AM

Please don't allow this moron to wreck the thread
He isn't going to respond to anything uncomfortable so why bother

ANTISEMITIC TORIES

Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 05:44 AM

Please don't allow this moron to wreck the thread
He isn't going to respond to anything uncomfortable so why bother

ANTISEMITIC TORIES

Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 06:05 AM

Nothing uncomfortable about my education jimmy, but unlike shaw I find no need to boast about it.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 06:31 AM

It apparently failed to teach you self respect, good manners or humanity - nothing to boast about is you wished to
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 06:42 AM

Leave it, Jim. The moderators need to see this thread and they may decide to get rid of him, permanently this time. They won't do it if we keep responding. There's enough evidence in his posts here for them to do it if they so decide. Just talk past him.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 07:22 AM

From: Raggytash - PM
Date: 01 Aug 18 - 10:36 AM
"OK Can we now have a discussion about Brexit without personal attacks, without name calling and one that sticks to the topic, without deviation or picking up on spelling or perceptions of the use of words.

We are all supposed to be adult and have a modicum of intelligence, hopefully that will remain to be the case."

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 07:29 AM

"The moderators need to see this thread and they may decide to get rid of him, permanently this time. "
I totally agree Steve
Sometimes life becomes like a pubic hair on a toilet seat - one occasionally gets pissed off
He obviously isn't intending to take part in any discussion, "intelligent" or otherwise
Jim

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 09:51 AM

Hey, Jim,

If you sprinkle
When you tinkle
Be a sweetie
Wipe the seatie

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 10:08 AM

May describes Boris Johnson as "deranged". Well, a stopped clock and all that....

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 01:29 PM

"May describes Boris Johnson as "deranged"."
I think it was the opposite way around and Johnson described May's proposals for Brexit were 'Deranged
Nothing like starting a Party Conference as you mean to go on
I wonder if they're selling tickets !!
Jim

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 01:37 PM

Just popcorn, Jim.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 04:22 PM

From the upright man guido:
Hunt compares EU to USSR, telling it like it is . Stirring stuff, makes you proud to be a Brit! No namby pamby corbinista contortions off this lad!


https://order-order.com/2018/09/30/hunt-compares-eu-ussr/

I might just have to go and whistle a few bars of the National Anthem!

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Oct 18 - 04:17 AM

THE WORLDLINESS OF BREXITEERS
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Oct 18 - 05:02 AM

BREXIT BRITAIN
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Oct 18 - 05:51 AM

What Brexit is really about
Jim Carroll

This morning's Times
POLICE TRIED to DEPORT SLAVERY VICTIM+
Gabriella Swerling
Northern Correspondent
The police and the Crown Prosecution Service have been accused of wasting public money for prosecuting a Vietnamese teenager whose case was dis¬missed when a judge said that he was probably the victim of slavery.
The boy, who may have been trafficked into the UK to work on a canna¬bis farm, now faces deportation.
An investigation by The Times revealed that between 2012 and last year more than 1,100 Vietnamese children suspected of being smuggled into Brit¬ain had been arrested rather than being seen as slaves. The authorities refuse to
say what happened to them after their detention, and the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) has no data on how many were prosecuted or convicted.
Judge Robert Trevor-Jones dis¬missed the case against the boy, who said that he was 16, on the fourth day of his trial at Liverpool crown court. The child had spent six months in custody on remand. The boy, who does not speak English, had been accused of being involved in the production of cannabis. He was arrested at a cannabis farm in St Helens earlier this year.
Baroness Butler-Sloss who helped to draft the Modern Slavery Bill in 2014, said that the case was “undoubtedly a waste of court time, the judge’s time and the jury’s time — as well as a waste of public money. If he is genuinely a victim, to deport him without protection will be to put him back in the hands of the traffickers.”
The court was told that the boy’s parents had died and he was responsible for their debts. He said he had been threatened by creditors who told him to earn money in the UK. He was taken to China, shipped to France, smuggled into England on a lorry and given to a man in Manchester known as Uncle.
Uncle took him to St Helens where he was told to help men to take bags and boxes into a flat above newsagents. The boy denied knowing that these contained cannabis plants and thought that he was moving household goods. Judge Trevor-Jones asked if the defendant had been subject to a referral under the Modern Slavery Act and said that if the boy were convicted he would ask for one.
Clare Jones, for the prosecution, said that the boy had been seen by a social worker who assessed his age as 25 but it was unclear whether there had been a referral. Ben Morris, for the defence, said that more inquiries were needed to assess his age.
Judge Trevor-Jones said that it would be “wrong to risk a possible conviction” and that there should be a Home Office appraisal to assess the boy’s status and verify his age. He discharged the jury because the boy had spent six months in custody, the time he could have éxpected to serve if convicted.
Debbie Beadle, of Ecpat UK, an anti¬child trafficking charity, said: “Being wrongly accused of crime and put through the court system means child victims are at risk of being removed from the UK and placed back into a situation where they are vulnerable to being re-trafficked.”
Merseyside police said that the force noted the judge’s comments.
The CPS said that the boy had been “deemed an adult at an earlier hearing” and that it had been unable to satisfy the court that the appropriate inquiries and referral had been made.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Oct 18 - 06:00 AM

FRIENDS IN LOW PLACES
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 01 Oct 18 - 10:33 AM

Just as well we are leaving. Italy is becoming a basket case and the pound is soaring! Happy days are here again!

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Oct 18 - 10:46 AM

"Don't respond, Jim. We all know where it will lead."
I'll leave talking to walls to Shirley Valentine - far more interesting

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 Oct 18 - 04:35 PM

The pound is soaring is it, well yes it has gone up .. slightly.

Today I can get 1.1214 Euro to the pound as opposed to Friday when I could get 1.1197 to the pound.

This is of course somewhat removed to a period years ago when I could get 1.4159 Euro to the pound and certainly far less than the day before Brexit when I could still get 1.3154 Euro to the pound.

In case this is beyond some people to comprehension before Brexit in return for 1OOO Pounds I would have got 1315.54 Euro, today I would receive 1124.40 Euro.

A deficit of 190.70 Euro for the same 1000 pounds.

Tell you what Iains, if and when the pound returns, as it may/may not, return to that value before Brexit give me a shout would you.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Oct 18 - 04:41 PM

Well, for loading my Caxton prepaid travel card the pound has "soared" by a quarter of a cent in a day. Wowser! I dare say that the pound will soar right down again if Boris comes out with one of his bon mots tomorrow...

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Oct 18 - 04:52 PM

Would you recommend a prepaid travel card Steve? We are off to Florida soon and I was considering one.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Oct 18 - 05:09 PM

Well we took out our Caxton one, just for euros, a few years ago, when it was the best. There's no fee and you can get dosh out of ATMs in the local currency without fees or bad currency conversions (though Greek banks now charge €3 for foreigners withdrawing cash, the bastards). Basically, you load the card with euros when the exchange rate is looking good. They do do American dollar cards but I ain't familiar with anything except euros. It's a Mastercard so you can use it to pay for stuff in shops and restaurants like any other credit card, fee-free because you're paying in the local currency. You get their app on your phone from which you can load up your card, which you sort of couple to your debit card, dead easy. These days you tend to be able to get a slightly better rate by shopping around for foreign cash. Tesco Bank and John Lewis are both pretty good and give a better deal than Caxton, though that's only fine if you don't mind stuffing your body belt with a couple of thousand in banknotes before you set off...

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Oct 18 - 03:42 AM

Thanks Steve. We got the best cash deal from one of the modern day pawn shops when we last had euros. May just shop around for dollars then. Although I will investigate what is recommended.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Oct 18 - 05:09 AM

If you do a one-off trip to somewhere and buy a ton of their banknotes you have the issue of the excess when you get home. You can sell them back but your supplier gives you a rotten buyback rate. As our hols are always in Europe, having euros left over isn't an issue. Caxton will convert them back for you, but they offer a rotten rate buyback rate too. You could consider getting a traveller's card that lets you draw out currency from ATMs fee-free. They do exist! It's a bit off-topic is this, so later on I'll look up what Which? sez (I'm a member) and tell you what they recommend. One advantage of a pre-load card is that you can load up currency to it in dribs and drabs from your bank account while you're on your trip (if you can bring yourself to trusting the system!), so you don't end up with too much leftover mickeymouse dosh...

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 02 Oct 18 - 05:11 AM

From: Raggytash - PM
Date: 01 Aug 18 - 10:36 AM
PS I will ask the Moderators to delete any post that contains even a slight personal attacks on anybody no matter which side they support.

Why are we waiting, why are we..............

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Your wish is my command. Iains in time out. Again.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Oct 18 - 05:19 AM

Notable that the Tory tactics of accusing the EU of being obstinate and that we can't be bullied by them is well to the fore this week, when the whole bloody shambles has been our fault all along. Two and a quarter years and next to nothing on the table. This Tory shower couldn't run a bath, let alone a country.

Bath? Shower? Whaddam I like!

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 02 Oct 18 - 08:15 AM

The tories think that taking away rights from people is a vote winner. They may be right, but if they are it is a sad indictment of the population of the country.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Oct 18 - 10:12 AM

This seems to give name-caling SOME TEETH
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Oct 18 - 10:52 AM

Play nicely, this thread is still going. For now.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Oct 18 - 12:57 PM

From Bozo's pontification at the Conference today...

"It would mean that UK business and industry – the entire UK economy – would be exposed perpetually to regulations that might have been expressly designed, at the behest of foreign competitors, to do them down.
It would mean that whatever the EU came up with, banning the sale of eggs by the dozen, banning diabetics from driving, banning vaping, whatever – and all of those have been at least considered by Brussels in the last few years – all of this nonsense we would have to implement with no ability to change or resist.
This is not pragmatic, it is not a compromise. It is dangerous and unstable – politically and economically.
My fellow Conservatives, this is not democracy. This is not what we voted for. This is an outrage."

The best way to deal with 'Whatever the EU comes up with' would be by Remaing in the EU, and being part of the discussion process (not forgetting that the UK is in the exalted position of being one of only nine member-states who have the power of veto). That's what a proper, mature nation should and would do - not throw a hissyfit, grab the ball, and run home with it.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Oct 18 - 12:59 PM

Oops, pressed 'go' too soon! Should have ended with, 'not throw a hissyfit, grab the ball, and run home with it like a spoilt brat who can't get his own way'.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Oct 18 - 01:23 PM

How can he get away with lies like we have no ability to change or resist when he has already been caught in his £350 million NHS lie is beyond me. What's the phrase? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. There must be an awful lot of fools at that conference. A proven liar and philanderer that cannot keep control of his gob or his willy yet his name is still bandied about as potential prime minister.

Still, he has one thing going for him. He is not Nigel Farage.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Oct 18 - 01:52 PM

He and his ilk have awoken to the power of indoctrination. Hence the ad-nauseam parroting of slogans like 'Take Back Control' and the relentless onslaught of 'Look over there, Labour [insert latest 'ism' here]' designed to take the eyes of the feeble-minded and easily-influenced away from what they should actually be up in arms about.