BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Iains
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 01:41 PM

Oh Dear! Corbyn has a bit of a headache. Don't think he can creep away from this damming report! and look who is saying it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6052223/Pressure-mounts-Corbyn-Munich-terrorist-wreath-speech-Holocaust-deniers-wedding.

This will be a bit of meat for the squealers. They seem only capable of
insults recently. They must have thrown all their other toys out of the pram.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 01:33 PM

""and he is good comedy value.."
Used to be - now he's just boring
He knows ***** well why Totynbee's feminist attitude to the berka is not racist- he's long had his answer
He chooses to make it so because he has nothing else to offer
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 01:33 PM

""and he is good comedy value.."
Used to be - now he's just boring
He knows ***** well why Totynbee's feminist attitude to the berka is not racist- he's long had his answer
He chooses to make it so because he has nothing else to offer
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 01:25 PM

Should mudcat ban Keith the Berka...???

No of course not... we try to tolerate crackpot zealots,
not because we want to,
but because we respect the principle of diversity - so persevere in putting up with him...

..and he is good comedy value...

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 01:22 PM

Who are you attempting to silence Rag, and why?

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 01:16 PM

IGNORE!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 01:13 PM

If Johnson's remarks make him a racist Islamophobe, Polly Toynbee is a much worse one.
Is that really what you think?

Likewise Yasmin Alibhai-Brown. She likens women wearing burkas to ravens and supports a national ban!

She is Left Wing and Muslim. A racist Islamophobe? Really?

Or, is this all bollocks and political opportunism, not racism at all?

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 09:42 AM

One of the games I occasionally play
is imagining which politicians look most at home and authentic
in a high ranking n@zi officer's uniform...

All he needs to do is comb his hair...

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 09:34 AM

"I cannot recall any outrage expressed when nuns are describes as penguins."
Nuns are not a persecuted group - far from it
Your filth is aimed as a community historically terrorised and abused by citizens of the host nation - from graffiti attacks to 'Paki-bashing'
You come from a long line of abusers
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 09:15 AM

All pretty succinctly summed up in The Rochdale Herald...

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 09:15 AM

All pretty succinctly summed up in The Rochdale Herald...

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 09:07 AM

Can that be corroborated? :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 08:58 AM

"Nah, not strange. He's boxed himself into a corner. Even his chums here are strangely silent. Embarrassed I should think. I advise Iains not to read his own posts back. He'd curl into a ball and pray that the ground would open up and swallow him."

Which would be rather funny seeing as he is some kind of geologist.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 08:46 AM

"...entirely fabricated story..."

Uncorroborated, yes. Entirely fabricated, you can't possibly know. You making things up, definitely.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 08:39 AM

Nah, not strange. He's boxed himself into a corner. Even his chums here are strangely silent. Embarrassed I should think. I advise Iains not to read his own posts back. He'd curl into a ball and pray that the ground would open up and swallow him.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 08:32 AM

Isn't it rather strange that Iains has posted to this thread nine times already today but will not comment about one of the Tory faithful criticising Johnson. (my post of 07.41)

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Iains
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 08:32 AM

AH Yes! and shaw made much of the entirely fabricated story of Cameron and the pig.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 08:06 AM

Or politicians as hippopotamuses...?

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Iains
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 07:52 AM

I cannot recall any outrage expressed when nuns are describes as penguins. You all need to put your false outrage back where it came from - in the gutter.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 07:48 AM

"Your continuous string of lies, gross exaggerations and insults does get rather wearing. "
Yet more thread-closing abuse Iains
I was suggesting that everybody walked away and stopped allowing you turn this into a hate site
I'm having a ball watching you humiliate yourself
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 07:45 AM

"Why does the Guardian print her stuff?"

The Guardian, as has been repeatedly pointed out to you, fearlessly embraces columnists from the whole of the political spectrum.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 07:41 AM

Today former aide to David Cameron, Lord Cooper, has described Johnson as "moral emptiness, casual racism and courting fascism"

There is black and white Iains, whether you choose to accept it is up to you but I does give a pretty good insight into the thinking of even some members of the Conservative Party.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/12/boris-johnson-courting-fascism-says-peer-tory-crisis

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 07:20 AM

Give up, Iains. You've put yourself in deep disgrace. Stop digging.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Iains
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 07:00 AM

"Seems we're finished here - now mor oxygen for this bunch of Klansmen eh?"

another promise you will not keep - unfortunately. Your continuous string of lies, gross exaggerations and insults does get rather wearing. Anyone else would be deleted.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Iains
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 06:40 AM

It is obvious anything that can provide a perceived political advantage to any political party will be milked for all it is worth. Was that not the function of alistair campbell for new labour?
The downside is that if it is played too much the opposition can probably find the spinners doing the exact same thing- As has been demonstrated here.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 06:32 AM

Seems we're finished here - now mor oxygen for this bunch of Klansmen eh?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 06:18 AM

Thanks for that gift proving my point, Iains. Couldn't have asked for more!

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Iains
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 06:11 AM

"It has nothing to do with the burka."
Quite right. It is all to do with the corbynista's distraction techniques taking the heat off Labour's very real problems.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2018/08/11/burka-row-gift-labour/

Corbyn is deeply flawed and will soon be thrown out from the leadership.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 05:58 AM

Well said Dave. Here's An interesting piece about the tactics of dis- and mis-information being used by the Right to influence the elements of society who are feeble-minded and susceptible to propaganda.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 05:58 AM

Toynbee writes as a feminist, her criticisms have targeted the Christian church and modern fashion
she at not time suggests, as you or your mates have, that the wearers of burkas are bomb toting security risks - it is that disgusting suggestion that makes you the goose-stepping racist that you are
I agree totally with Toynbee's analysis of how women are treated by religious groups and by society in general, but, as was shown by the Danish demonstration, banning anything will have the opposite effect
This is the buisness of Muslims to sort out - not hate-merchants like you and career-ladder climbers like Johnson

You moronic reverting to schoolyard name calling only underlines your instability
Stop turning this forum into another of your hate soapboxes - you want to organise a racist rally - go find a biergarten
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 05:33 AM

I don't know how many times I have said this already. It has nothing to do with the burka. It is Johnson grandstanding to gain support from the far right. It worked for Farage. It worked for Trump. Looking at his apologists on here it has obviously worked for Johnson as well. Hopefully more people can see through his ploy than are fooled by it but his type really believe that you can fool all the people all the time.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Iains
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 05:29 AM

"There is no sneering at the Burka, as Johnson did,"

From Toynbee the queen of leftist journalists:
"The top-to-toe burka, with its sinister, airless little grille, is more than an instrument of persecution, it is a public tarring and feathering of female sexuality. It transforms any woman into an object of defilement too untouchably disgusting to be seen. It is a garment of lurid sexual suggestiveness: what rampant desire and desirability lurks and leers beneath its dark mysteries? In its objectifying of women, it turns them into cowering creatures demanding and expecting violence and victimisation. Forget cultural sensibilities."

Jim I assume comprehension was a subject you struggled with at school! Sneering is the least of the adjectives I would use to describe your favourite scribes scribblings. How on earth can you reconcile what you said with what she said?

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 05:13 AM

Now we have Keith - no stranger to making illegal statements about "culturally implanted" criminals
About time this was nipped in the bud before it becomes a Muslim Watch' clone
Polly Toynbee writes as a feminist - her objection is the way religion - all religions, including Christianity treat women
She actually claims that the only way to give women full freedom is to have a totally secular state
There is no sneering at the Burka, as Johnson did, no suggestion that it covered up wife-beating - as one of his colleagues did - no suggestion it was a terrorist threat as this vicious pait have
Enough
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Iains
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 05:10 AM

You Gov. Ban the burka.
Even Labour supports a ban 42%for 30% against. The squealers are in a minority- just like brexit!


https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/08/31/majority-public-backs-burka-ban/

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 05:03 AM

Yasmin Alibhai Brown, who IS a leftie, in the Indie,

"Years ago, I warned that the simple headscarf (hijab) was but the first step to full fabric incarceration. I was mocked and disparaged then by Muslim adherents, as well as many on the left. To them, such challenges to cultural practices validate bigotry and threaten liberties. Their laudable concern makes criticism impossibly difficult. Now they are everywhere, ravens, in burka (long cloaks) and niqab (face veils), their little girls scarved and in cumbersome long coats (in training, I am told) for that big day when they too can go into prisons of black polyester. They will be smiling, one mother of four daughters said to me. Or they may be crying, I said, and nobody will see either.

Here is a list of my (16) main objections"

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/yasmin-alibhai-brown/yasmin-alibbai-brown-sixteen-reasons-why-i-object-to-this-dangerous-cover-up-2261444.html

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 04:49 AM

Andrew friggin Brigden?? He is Boris's attack dog, not to be taken seriously. And if people want to punish Johnson over brexit, they are right to do so. Johnson and Brigden deserve all the opprobrium they get.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Iains
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 04:33 AM

"an open attack on Muslim women's dress - come - on - this verges on the illegal - it's the stuff of the Dark Internet."
I wonder what else you do on the dark internet? Just sayin like!

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Iains
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 04:24 AM

OH Dear. Wiki does not agree with you. Tell me shaw, is unfocused the new word of the moment? It does make a change from your quack diagnosis of me I suppose. Equally ridiculous though! The summary of Toynebee came from Editorial Intelligence. Maybe some of the later posters should try it, challenge though it may be.

"You don't really get this, do you, Iains? You're stuffed. You've had the piss taken out of you all day. It's sad that you can't see it. You just keep digging. You're a weirdo and capricious mood-swinger. You're rapidly becoming an irrelevance here. You can't disagree without insulting. That is very odd, as you have given this forum the impression that you're quite an old man, and old men should know better than to behave like a testosterone-ridden teenage internet newbie. I suggest a nice lie down, old chap."
Attack the poster, not the post! The usual attempted bullying by the same motley crowd. Why do you not restrict yourself to the arguments within the thread? Is the idea box empty?

Now the real reason for the Boris Bashing:

Fake outrage

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 04:07 AM

If Johnson's remarks make him a racist Islamophobe, Polly Toynbee is a much worse one.
Is that what you think? Why does the Guardian print her stuff?

Likewise Jasmin Alibhai-Brown who takes the same view.

Or, is this all bollocks and political opportunism, not racism at all?

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 03:59 AM

This becomes pointless fellers
Once he behaves like a cornered rat and starts going for the throat you know he is going you have him where he is going to stay and just lash out with his racist vitriol
It seems to me we have two alternatives - we continue feeding him and allow him to continue to use this thread for he hate-platform, giving him "the oxygen of publicity" or we walk away and let him drown in his swill
He's going to close this thread anyway - why give him the satisfaction of blaming someone else for doing so
He has now "Out-Johnsoned Johnson" this may be what our former Foreign Secretary thinks but wouldn't dare to say publicly - an open attack on Muslim women's dress - come - on - this verges on the illegal - it's the stuff of the Dark Internet.
I want no part of this shit - even his mates seem to have run for the hills

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 03:11 AM

Polly Toynbee is not a leftie, nor really a journalist (she writes opinion pieces, she doesn't research), and certainly not the queen of anything.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Aug 18 - 07:31 PM

Totally unfocused as ever. And Polly Toynbee, as lightweight as they come, was a member of the SDP, the opportunist right-wing shitbags who played a major part in keeping Thatcher in power in the eighties. She even stood for election hoping and failing to become an SDP MP. Perhaps you'd forgotten that and have failed to realise that real lefties regard her as as a charlatan and have no truck with people like her. Just thought I'd mention it. As with all your arguments, there's absolutely no mileage in that one.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Iains
Date: 11 Aug 18 - 06:20 PM

Running a bit short of counter arguments are we shaw? So off down the usual road of merely being insulting, along with your tame acolytes.

Anyway another little gem from the gruniard. 2001

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/sep/28/religion.afghanistan

Toynbee has been described as "the queen of leftist journalists", and in 2008 topped a poll of 100 "opinion makers", carried out by Editorial Intelligence. She was also named the most influential columnist in the UK(2008)

Below is her take on the burka

"The top-to-toe burka, with its sinister, airless little grille, is more than an instrument of persecution, it is a public tarring and feathering of female sexuality. It transforms any woman into an object of defilement too untouchably disgusting to be seen. It is a garment of lurid sexual suggestiveness: what rampant desire and desirability lurks and leers beneath its dark mysteries? In its objectifying of women, it turns them into cowering creatures demanding and expecting violence and victimisation. Forget cultural sensibilities."

I must say you lefties do not mince words when disparaging the burka.
It makes the blond buffoon seem quite innocuous in comparison!

and let us not forget the BBC. Remember this little gem?

Stephen Fry made the same joke as Boris on Have I Got News For You, before Ian Hislop and Paul Merton joined in:

    Stephen Fry: “I just posted something in that.”

    Ian Hislop: “We must stop meeting like this, Camilla.”

    Paul Merton: “Prince Charles is surprised when a pint of Guinness looks at him in a funny way.”

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Aug 18 - 05:06 PM

You don't really get this, do you, Iains? You're stuffed. You've had the piss taken out of you all day. It's sad that you can't see it. You just keep digging. You're a weirdo and capricious mood-swinger. You're rapidly becoming an irrelevance here. You can't disagree without insulting. That is very odd, as you have given this forum the impression that you're quite an old man, and old men should know better than to behave like a testosterone-ridden teenage internet newbie. I suggest a nice lie down, old chap.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Iains
Date: 11 Aug 18 - 04:47 PM

PFR if their hankies were doused in novichock then to believe the government fairy tales, we would have to get rid of the hankies, sticks, bells and likely the morris dancers as well. Then where would we be?

Jim if you cannot tell the difference between a mask and headscarf, and base your argument on that confusion, there is not a whole lot of point in wasting time and patience in order to discuss anything we you. You make out that you have the answer to everything, but your posts suggest you have an understanding of nothing.
quelle surprise!

"If he just wants to take the piss out of folk tradition it is little wonder he gets so many posts deleted"

another that has a staple diet of lemons!

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Aug 18 - 04:00 PM

Mind.. i'd be apprehensive of a morris side queuing and crowding around me at a cash point machine...
with their bloody gurt big lethal sticks, and those hankies could be doused in chloroform or even novichok...

Who'd be on the lookout for Russian spies or IS terrorists disguised in plain sight as quintessentially British morris dancers...

I wouldn't blame security officers if they were fooled and let them too close to a sensitive target...

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Aug 18 - 03:33 PM

I wonder if they are really morris dancers, it could explain a lot?

So, on a forum dedicated to folk he takes to insulting people by referring to them as folk dancers. Idiotic.

My knees will not put up with Morris dancing too much nowadays but I still play for a Morris side and am proud to say I am still involved with Morris dance.

If he just wants to take the piss out of folk tradition it is little wonder he gets so many posts deleted. Heading the way of his role models Teribus and Akenaton I expect.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Raggytash
Date: 11 Aug 18 - 03:17 PM

I suppose some progress has been made by this discussion.

Iains referred to Diane Abbott as "abbacus" and not as the usual offensive tag he ascribes to her.

The Abacus was, and still is, a very sophisticated innovation.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Aug 18 - 03:01 PM

My mrs is Welsh Chapel... not muslim...

She knows far more about multi cultural women's wear than I ever will...

she just had a look at that guide "What's the difference between a hijab, niqab and burka?"

with a view to which garments on the list she'd enjoy wearing in public,
though being aware that she could be accused of cultural approptiation if she did...

My wife is obviously not a terrorist - ermmm.. well I'm fairly certain...
unless she belongs to a very dozing Welsh Nationalist sleeper cell
planning a bombing campaign disguised in burkas...???

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson shows his colours (again)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 18 - 02:47 PM

Back to the old insulting Iains
You have neither answer nor shame
You have been given plenty to respond to - all you offer in return is a party political broadcast on behalf of the Tommy Robinson Party
Of course we know what a Burka is
It looks like a combination of a letter bob and a bank robbers outfit - Boris Johnso told us that
It's used to cover up domestic abuse
One of his colleagues told us that
It's probably used to carry bombs for terrorist attacks
You told us that
Jim Carroll