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Australian Folk Song - Books

GUEST,George 11 Aug 18 - 03:19 AM
Jim Carroll 11 Aug 18 - 04:56 AM
GUEST,George 11 Aug 18 - 08:54 AM
Sandra in Sydney 11 Aug 18 - 11:46 AM
Joe Offer 11 Aug 18 - 08:54 PM
Sandra in Sydney 11 Aug 18 - 11:05 PM
GUEST,George 12 Aug 18 - 01:31 AM
Jim Carroll 12 Aug 18 - 03:43 AM
Sandra in Sydney 12 Aug 18 - 08:19 AM
Stewie 12 Aug 18 - 08:45 AM
Helen 13 Aug 18 - 05:41 PM
Sandra in Sydney 13 Aug 18 - 07:50 PM
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Sandra in Sydney 14 Aug 18 - 04:58 AM
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Subject: Australian Folk Song - Books
From: GUEST,George
Date: 11 Aug 18 - 03:19 AM

I've been looking through my library and, to my shame, I have only two books on Australian folk songs.

Folkstream Songbooks lists over 200 but I can't afford them all even if I could locate them.

Could anyone suggest "essential" books so that I could add a good representation of the folk songs of Australia to my collection.

Many thanks.
George


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Subject: RE: Australian Folk Song - Books
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 18 - 04:56 AM

Don't know what you've got but I've always liked our copy of Ron Edwards' 'The |Big Book of Austrailian Folk Songs aaaand the two 'Folk Songs of Australia Meri=edith, Anderson, Covell, Brown)
The Penguin Book of Australian Folk Songs has been part of our collection since it was published
Most of these are still available and if you try The Book Depository they are usually reasonably priced and post-free
Good luck
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Australian Folk Song - Books
From: GUEST,George
Date: 11 Aug 18 - 08:54 AM

The two I have are:

Meredith, John & Anderson, Hugh. Folk Songs Of Australia and the Men and Women Who Sang Them (1967).

Ward, Russel. Penguin Book of Australian Ballads (1964).

George


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Subject: RE: Australian Folk Song - Books
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 11 Aug 18 - 11:46 AM

George, you have 2 excellent books!


Warren Fahey & Graham Seal - Old Bush Songs. 2005
A special centenary edition of Banjo Paterson's collection of Australian
traditional ballads, with completely updated commentary on the songs.
Old Bush Songs, as it is universally known, has been through a
number of editions and is recognised as a classic of Australian
literature and folklore. First published by Angus & Robertson in
1905, it was subsequently revised and reprinted in over 15 editions
plus adaptations, with the last edition published in 1983.
This centenary edition celebrates Paterson's pioneering role and
documents the history of the book and its original songs. It includes
new material, illustrations and photographs, as well as background
information that helps bring these old songs to life for a modern
readership.
--------------

Hugh Anderson was a noted folklorist bibliography

bibliograpy - Folk Song, Poetry and Music


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Subject: RE: Australian Folk Song - Books
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Aug 18 - 08:54 PM

Back in 2000, with guidance from the estimable Bob Bolton, I acquired:
  • The Big Book of Australian Folk Song, by Ron Edwards (Rigby, 1976)
  • John Meredith's Folk Songs of Australia and the men and women who sang them (2 volumes), published in 1987 by the New South Wales University Press

Bob said these two books were the best. Here's what Bob said about John Meredith:

    "...Meredith songbooks are like reading a storybook. They're addictive..." That is the great difference between John Meredith and the 'editor' set. John was raised in that tradition and respected it. It was not a literary excursion into someone else's life. This led to a different approach and treatment (about which I found myself arguing - again -last Saturday night between venues at Jamberoo!).

    John had to sell his beloved camera to put down a deposit on a tape recorder (~1953) and it was a few years before he could obtain a Zeiss Contarex in the post WWII camera shortage. Once he had the camera, he completed his record with photographic portraits of the people who sang the songs and played the tunes.

    The National Library of Australia mounted and toured an exhibition of his images Real Folk and, a year or two back, brought out a book of the images. John's complete coverage is fascinating and an excellent antidote to the odd notions of our pioneers held by some revival singers.


And on my own, I acquired the two volumes of the Penguin Australian Song Book.

All good stuff - and just about the same as what Jim Carroll has, and I see that George (above) has two of the same books.

I wouldn't recommend The All-Time Favourite Australian Song Book (Angus & Robertson Publishers, 1984, no author listed), but the cartoons illustrations are cute and I bought it cheap.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Australian Folk Song - Books
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 11 Aug 18 - 11:05 PM

articles about John Meredith from Bush Music Club Blog

John Meredith - author and photographer I recently found a copy of Reedy River Song book (The Songs from the Australian musical drama Reedy River, by Dick Diamond /? prepared by David E. Milliss and John Meredith; with the assistance of Stan Wakefield and Laurence Morris. 2nd ed. Sydney: New Theatre, 1960. Cover title: "Reedy River" song book) in archives so will have to scan the cover & update this article.

Bob Bolton Collection - Launch of Folk Songs of Australia, Vol. 2, 29th May 1987


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Subject: RE: Australian Folk Song - Books
From: GUEST,George
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 01:31 AM

Many thanks for these!

Please keep your suggestions coming.

George


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Subject: RE: Australian Folk Song - Books
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 03:43 AM

A few more from our shelf

Shocking, Shocking, Shocking (Imporoper play rhymes of Australian Children)
Wendy Lowenstien

Robust, Ribald and Rude Verse in Australia Bill Wannan

Farewell to old Englsnd (Transportation) Hugh Anderson)

Duke of the Outback Bill Meredith

Time out of Mind (biog of Simon McDonald of Crestwick Hugh Anderson

Australian Bush Ballads Douglas Stwewart and Nancy Keesing

Old Bush Songs Stewart and Keesing

True Patriots All or news from early Australia as told in a collection of broadsides - Geoffrey C Ingleton) (No songs but a fascinating background to Australian settlement)

Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Australian Folk Song - Books
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 08:19 AM

small typo - Duke of the Outback was written by John Meredith

Have you read Duke's autobiography? HP (Duke) Tritton 'Time means Tucker' First published as a serial in The Bulletin, then as a book in 1959 & reprinted several times. Duke's daughter Linda McLean also wrote her autobiography "Pumpkin Pie & Faded Sandshoes" which was published in 1982.

Harold Percy Croydon (Duke) Tritton, 1886 - 1965

I'm currently working thru the gi-normous accretion of books called the Bush Music Club library - so far we've accessioned 575 & have at least 100 duplicates, and the only book mentioned so far that we don't have is Wendy Lowenstein's book.

Old Bush Songs was first published in 1905 & has been updated a number of times.

check out Brad Tate's books
Brad Tate was not simply a musician and a folk collector, but also one of Australia's leading folkloric scholars. He pursued a life-long study of Australian folk song, music and lore, contributing to academic journals and presenting workshops at many folk festivals. He authored and had published three books, while constantly researching and theorising about
the subject. Brad's goal was to eventually see the culmination of his life's work published in his major and final book, "Australian Folk Verse and Melody" which was released this year.

sandra


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Subject: RE: Australian Folk Song - Books
From: Stewie
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 08:45 AM

Bill Scott's 'Complete Book of Australian Folk Lore' has not been mentioned. Plenty of used copies available:

Click .

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Australian Folk Song - Books
From: Helen
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 05:41 PM

My favourite Oz folk song books are the two Meredith et al. collections mentioned above. I credit the first book with bringing me into the world of folk music, way back in the mid '60's when I used to borrow it from the library and try to play the tunes on a plastic whistle we were learning to play at primary school.

Sandra, there is a launch for Brad Tate's book on 8 September at Teralba Community Hall. Brad Tate was a founding member of the Newcastle Hunter Valley Folk Club. Lots of people have fond memories of his playing and of his vast knowledge of folk music.

Brad Tate Book Launch and Bush Dance

(As an aside, I found out that
Sally Sloane , one of the featured musicians in Meredith's book lived at Teralba at a later stage of her life.)

I would also recommend Chris Kempster's book, The Songs of Henry Lawson

Helen


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Subject: RE: Australian Folk Song - Books
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 07:50 PM

Julie sent us info on the launch, & I've spread the word. This book is one of many I'm (allegedly) currently reading. Fortunately I've almost finished the current book ...

Helen, looks like you might need 2nd edition, Songs of Henry Lawson, 2007 as it has more songs!


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Subject: RE: Australian Folk Song - Books
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 08:46 PM

This has sod all to do with the thread and is shamelessly opportunistic, but I wonder whether any of our Oz compatriots have come across my old mucker Bernard Carney, who lives in Perth and who has made a modest living for the last half-century out of singing folk-style songs, admittedly many of his own composition,accompanying himself on guitar. He's made a good few albums too. I believe he also runs a sort of people's socialist choir in Perth. He was in my class at school in Bolton in the sixties and he and I quaffed many a pint or eight at the Two Tubs in Bury and the Lower Nag's in Bolton. In recent years he's stayed at my house in Cornwall and I've been to his house in Perth. He does come back to Blighty every couple of years and pays his fare by doing gigs here and there. He's a lovely feller. OK, thanks for that. I'll just crawl back into me 'ole...


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Subject: RE: Australian Folk Song - Books
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 10:28 PM

Threads like this give me a chance to look through my treasures and enjoy them all over again. The best of the lot for me is John Meredith's Folk Songs of Australia and the men and women who sang them (2 volumes), published in 1987 by the New South Wales University Press. This isn't just a songbook - it's an adventure through Australian song.

If you'd like some good exposure to Australian folk songs, take a look at John Thompson's Australian Folk Song a Day.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Australian Folk Song - Books
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 14 Aug 18 - 04:58 AM

come back, Steve - Bernard is an excellent songwriter & entertaining singer & I've seen him at Festivals & have a number of his albums. Bernard & Eleanor's Working Voices choir

Joe & George, John Meredith was one of the first collectors of traditional Australian songs & tunes in the early 50s when some folks (usually of a left persuasion) got annoyed at the increasing Americanisation of Australia. Unfortunately the influence is deeper today & these songs are usually only heard at folk festivals & folk clubs.

Wikipedia on John Meredith
National library holdings -John Meredith
Review- More than a life: John Meredith and the fight for Australian Tradition by Keith McKenry


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Subject: RE: Australian Folk Song - Books
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 01:07 AM

Following on with Steve Shaw's shamelessly opportunistic thread creep, I've been privileged over the years to see and hear Bernard in action at festivals, and have also enjoyed singing some of his songs, mostly of the rousing 'Union' variety. Dinner at his house one night was cooked by Bernard while Eleanor and I spent time searching through boxes of documents - have no idea what for. Wonderful times, wonderful music and two wonderful people.
YIU
gecko
(or 'Brummie Jan' to Bernard, who it appears, was possibly served by me in Lloyds Bank at The Priory in Birmingham sometime in the sixties)


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Subject: RE: Australian Folk Song - Books
From: GUEST,George
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 02:32 AM

My thanks to all those who have taken the time to list books. Certainly a good few to sharpen my book-hunting skills.

I'm not one to over-pay for my books; my library wouldn't be as extensive as it is if I did. Although I want them all NOW, my financial situation compels me to wait for affordable copies.

Kind regards
George


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Subject: RE: Australian Folk Song - Books
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 06:13 AM

used is best!


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Subject: RE: Australian Folk Song - Books
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 07:42 PM

Ah, thanks, Sandra and Guest (especially for forgiving the thread creep)! Bernard and Eleanor are indeed wonderful and it's grand to know that he's much-appreciated in Oz. The gap between us leaving school at 18 and meeting up again in Perth was over thirty years, and naturally we'd both changed a fair bit, but he's still the same amusing, fun-loving, down-to earth bugger he was at school. Cheers!


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Subject: RE: Australian Folk Song - Books
From: JennieG
Date: 16 Aug 18 - 12:05 AM

I have a copy of "The song goes on: contemporary Australian folksongs" edited by Lynne Tracey. Contents here

Alastair Hulett's "No half measures" is also the subject of a current thread.


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