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English Civil War Music

One-eyed Croaker 14 Aug 18 - 12:52 AM
GUEST,Anne Lister sans cookie 15 Aug 18 - 05:29 PM
GUEST 16 Aug 18 - 03:43 AM
David W 16 Aug 18 - 03:45 AM
Raedwulf 18 Aug 18 - 08:45 AM
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Subject: English Civil War Music
From: One-eyed Croaker
Date: 14 Aug 18 - 12:52 AM

Trying to trace lyrics and music for an English Civil War song sung by the Parliamentary Army, called 'The Zealous Soldier' and said to be written in August 1642. Can only find two references. 1) A single verse quoted in 'This Seat of Mars: War and the British Isles 1485-1746' by Charles Carlton. The verse being:
For God and his cause I’ll count it gain
To lose my life. Oh can one happier die
Than to fall in battle to maintain
God’s worship, truth, extirpate Papacy?

2) This quote from 'Organa Britannica: Organs in Great Britain 1660-1860' Vol. 2 by James Boeringer describes an incident in 1642 at Canterbury Cathedral: "one soldier 'began to play the tune of the zealous soldier on the organ or case of whistles, which were never in tune since.'"


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Subject: RE: English Civil War Music
From: GUEST,Anne Lister sans cookie
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 05:29 PM

My husband, who spends his working life in 1645, suggests you ask the Skeapings (Ron and Lucy, or is it Rod?). He hasn't heard of it himself.


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Subject: RE: English Civil War Music
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Aug 18 - 03:43 AM

This is from Julie Spraggon - Puritan Iconoclasm during the English Civil War

It gives no more information than you have but does say the source is a completely different much earlier Carlton book to the one you have

https://ibb.co/fYKiRU


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Subject: RE: English Civil War Music
From: David W
Date: 16 Aug 18 - 03:45 AM

This is from Julie Spraggon - Puritan Iconoclasm during the English Civil War

It gives no more information than you have but does say the source is a completely different much earlier Carlton book to the one you have

https://ibb.co/fYKiRU


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Subject: RE: English Civil War Music
From: Raedwulf
Date: 18 Aug 18 - 08:45 AM

Your other alternative is to try getting in touch with either / both The Sealed Knot & the English Civil War Society. It's not my period, so I can't help directly, but I presume that both have web-sites, relatively public forums, or at least a contact who would be happy to pass the enquiry around internally.


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Subject: RE: English Civil War Music
From: Stower
Date: 20 Aug 18 - 05:39 AM

Since it is a word not often used, I looked up extirpate from your cited verse to find this song on the English Broadside Ballad Archive, having found nothing for Zealous Soldier, and drew a blank. This may simply be because spelling wasn't standardised. It's a very useful site for 17th century broadsides - perhaps a different search might find it. Zealous as a single word search yields 146 results - it may be among them.


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Subject: RE: English Civil War Music
From: One-eyed Croaker
Date: 29 Aug 18 - 12:06 AM

Many thanks for these suggestions. I'll follow them up.


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Subject: RE: English Civil War Music
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 29 Aug 18 - 01:58 AM

Search out for the band 'Strawhead ' at one time all they sang were Wnglish Cicil War songs. Very good too.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: English Civil War Music
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Aug 18 - 03:06 AM

Here's a link to a PhD thesis which discusses (and references) the ballad:

Rime and reason - The Political World of the English Broadside

Hope this helps.


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Subject: RE: English Civil War Music
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Aug 18 - 03:21 AM

It also references Strawhead!


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Subject: RE: English Civil War Music
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Aug 18 - 04:08 AM

It seems that a facsimile of the ballad, or a complete transcription, is not available online at the moment. It is part of the Thomason Tracts collection (ref: 669. f. 10(50).) and housed at the British Library's St Pancreas site:

"Much of the material is now fragile and the original pamphlets are restricted from general reading room use. Full digital facsimiles are now available via Early English Books Online (EEBO) which is accessible onsite. A complete set of preservation microfilms also exists (shelfmark Mic.B.58) and reels can be ordered from on-site storage. Microfilms of the broadside materials (shelfmark: 669.f.3-27) are kept on the open shelves in the Rare Books and Music Reading Room. Bound photocopies (shelfmark: Thomason RAX E. + number) can also be ordered from on-site storage. Staff at the Rare Books Reference Enquiries Desk can advise about this"

Maybe the BL would send you a jpeg/photocopy? Alternatively, do you have a friend who lives in London?


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Subject: RE: English Civil War Music
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Aug 18 - 04:15 AM

Does anyone on here have an ATHENS account and could do the work for all of us?


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Subject: RE: English Civil War Music
From: One-eyed Croaker
Date: 03 Sep 18 - 01:10 AM

Again many thanks for all your helpful advice. I've had a look at the thesis - well worth reading! - and have now ordered a copy of The Zealous Soldier from the British Library. What a good site is Mudcat!


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Subject: RE: English Civil War Music
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Sep 18 - 04:12 AM

One-Eyed Croaker,

please post the words here when you have them.

Thanks


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