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BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations

Donuel 18 Feb 19 - 05:13 PM
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Jim Carroll 17 Feb 19 - 05:56 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Feb 19 - 05:13 PM

Eunuchs are a perfectly good solution to certain social problems. Ask the Chinese.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Feb 19 - 09:34 AM

I guess "defrocked" sounded too much like bullies pulling someone's pants down in the schoolyard.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Feb 19 - 09:29 AM

"laicized"

Whilst conceding that levity has no place in this thread, I should just like to thank you for the opportunity of adding this word to my lexicon!


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Feb 19 - 05:56 AM

An article in this mornings Times by an abuse victim is headlined: "Who Knew About the Abuse" - They All Did"
That is the most condemning statement yet and if it is true, the implications are unimaginable
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 10:39 PM

It's Mr. McCarrick now -- he was laicized today.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Feb 19 - 05:14 PM

Joe, a diocesan priest can be excardinated to serve in another diocese or even in another country. While far from common it is not unheard of. It seems to occur more frequently with member of religious orders than diocesan priests.

But extend the discussion to include the abuse of adults, male and female. Include those who are vulnerable, including the sick and handicapped.

I am coming to the conclusion that sexual abuse, whether by clerics, teachers, coaches, scout leaders, or anyone is caused not by a sex drive, but by a lust for and abuse of power, just a rape is.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Feb 19 - 03:45 PM

Most parish priests are diocesan priests, who serve their entire careers in one particular geographic diocese. They are rarely transferred to other dioceses, so they are unlikely to transfer across state lines. Religious order priests belong to provinces, which can cover several states or an entire nation, so they can be transferred anywhere within the province.

So, for diocesan priests, the "employer" is the bishop of that particular diocese. For religious orders, the "employer" is the provincial (leader) of that particular province.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: ollaimh
Date: 14 Feb 19 - 03:33 PM

john p makes an excellent point. not only have the kept transfering sex offender priests they have transfered money around to avoid properly attained legal judgements against them for damages. it is a crime syndicate. this now requires a rico prosecution .


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: ollaimh
Date: 14 Feb 19 - 03:31 PM

yeah when our christian friends are raping children(and nuns) they have something wrong with them. they believe the devil is god, and follow all the evil ideas from their imaginary friend. know them y the fruit they bear


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Feb 19 - 01:46 PM

It seems from a report i The Irish Times this moorning that clerical abuse by TEXAN BAPTISTS is now becoming a major issue
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Feb 19 - 01:16 PM

Contrition is a rare but not unheard of historic event. I use Nazi war fugitives as an example.

Self imposed contrition belongs in the same world as; self incarceration, self punishment, self execution, self imposed restitution and confession.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: John P
Date: 12 Feb 19 - 12:06 PM

Joe, the reason I thought the Federal government should be involved is because the Catholic Church transferred rapists to other states in order to avoid prosecution. They have been running an interstate crime ring.

What I would like to see is a civil suite against the church and all of it's subsidiaries for more money than the church has. Take every penny, every building, every business, everything. And put everyone who knew anything about the rapes in prison.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Feb 19 - 08:23 AM

Makes a tragedy of the 'joke' my old boss used to tell.


What pleasure does a monk get?

Nun!


Pre PC days of course and in the early 70's I found it funny. It now seems pretty sick :-(


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Feb 19 - 05:17 AM

This morning's Irish Times reports that the sexual abuse of nuns was first brought to the attention of The Vatican in 1992, nothing was done and the report was shelved
The excuse now being given is that it was thought to be "only happening in Third World Countries" - it cites Arica (bad enough), but it transpires that Italy was mentioned as one of the problem countries
One wonders where this will go now
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Feb 19 - 04:09 AM

....and, as always, I continue to be mystified by Donuel. Don, what's 12 May about?


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Feb 19 - 04:02 AM

But then, I think Jerry Rasmussen will tell you how wonderful the American Baptists have been for him, so it's hard to tie down who's who. Jimmy Carter has been a Southern Baptist, but he has been strongly critical of them - as I am strongly critical about many things in my Catholic Church.

Most Sundays, I have a wonderful time, but sometimes I get pissed off. Friday, I had a great time playing Scrabble with a wonderful nun, and Saturday I got pissed off at a nun who was as inconsiderate as she usually is. And Sunday, the choir director was bitchy but nice later, and I had a great time hanging out with a bunch od old people and working with some young people, and the priest who is usually a pain in the ass wasn't so bad this time. Sounds like real life, doesn't it?

This whole sex abuse issue has never been easy for me to sort out. No, it shouldn't happen in a church, but the ugly reality is, that it does. I haven't figured out yet how to deal with it. But it's still there, and it's still ugly.

But every Friday, I play Scrabble with an 87-yr-old Mercy nun, and it's always wonderful and I love that woman with all my heart. And every Sunday, I sing my little heart out at Mass With a choir that has too many Trump supporters in the men's section and a lot of brilliant women who don't like Trump. And then I spend time with a lot of people I love. And the sex abuse scandal seems very far away, although I know it's still there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Mossback
Date: 10 Feb 19 - 06:34 PM

Then too, the Houston Chronicle article should come as no surprise considering the several Evangelical denominations are composed of hypocrite fundamentalist lunatics who have replaced Jesus with Trump.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Mossback
Date: 10 Feb 19 - 06:27 PM

That's only one of several horrors the Southern Baptists are responsible for - but it could be worse: there are the Conservative Baptists and the Primitive Baptists et. al.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Feb 19 - 03:00 PM

And now...ladies and gentlemen...direct from The Houston Chronicle!


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: ollaimh
Date: 10 Feb 19 - 02:47 PM

kick out all those who committed sex offences, and other offences, and ll those who aided and abbetted, and start over, and give away the money to charities for the victims. that would be a spiritual organization. otherwise the usual demon worshipers who think thier demon is god.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Feb 19 - 09:29 AM

Well Joe, so far your alibi for May 12th is holding up. :^/


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Feb 19 - 12:22 AM

I think that most people don't commit crime, because crime doesn't make sense to them - it does not fit into their philosophy of life, if you will. The fear of punishment has something to do with it, but I think that most people don't commit crime because crime is senseless and absurd to them.

So, the people who DO commit crime, very often have something wrong with them. I think an awful lot of them, are able to make themselves believe they are doing the right thing. Authority telling them otherwise, will have very little effect on them.

As for the coverups, I think it's a number of things. One is the liability, which has reached an outrageous extreme. If a middle manager (bishop) has to pay millions of dollars in reparation for an action he had no knowledge of, that burden may be just too much to take and may drive a weak person to coverup - and most middle managers are weak persons. Another reason is mistaken loyalty to a priest who "couldn't possibly do anything so horrible." Or some sort of insensitive that elitist bishops have to the lower classes. Or any number of other reasons that need to be explored.

I don't usually like people who are in management, and I've rarely met a Catholic bishop I've admired - but I have to admit that some priests and bishops that I HAVE admired, have committed these horrible crimes nonetheless.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Feb 19 - 07:50 PM

I don't need to be told by anyone not to commit crime or do anything else that's plainly injurious to anyone else. The question is, how do I know?


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Feb 19 - 06:12 PM

Wait! Wait! Wait!

Obama is now the one responsible for the sex crimes committed by Catholic priests, mostly before the year 2002?

For the most part, the crimes committed were crimes against state law, and not under federal jurisdiction. Of course the same question of jurisdiction applies to the Catholic Church, where the offenses all fell within the jurisdiction of the local diocese.

If the local jurisdiction fails to prosecute, then someone from the local area must file a complaint with a higher authority. That's the standard way it works. There is no automatic national or international oversight, either in the U.S. government or in the Vatican. Local authorities are expected to deal with local issues.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: John P
Date: 09 Feb 19 - 04:52 PM

I am heartily sick of all the right wing assholes complaining about what a bad president Obama was, but the Catholic sex crimes are one place where he seriously dropped the ball. And we are still fumbling it. If any other multi-national corporation was shown to be officially engaged in a massive child-rape conspiracy, we would have hired an army of lawyers and raided every office in the country, and confiscated every piece of paper and every computer hard drive. We wouldn't still be wringing our hands about it. We'd be watching hundreds of high-ranking corporate executives go to jail.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: John P
Date: 09 Feb 19 - 04:45 PM

Raggytash: I can assure you Joe I, and I would suggest most people, refrain from crime because we are told by "authorities" not to commit crime.

That's actually rather scary. I know that I don't commit crimes for the simple reason that it is wrong to do so. For anyone who thinks civilization is a good thing, committing crimes is irrational. If I wanted to commit a crime, I'm smart enough to figure out how to do it without getting caught.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 09 Feb 19 - 01:23 PM

They are supposed to show us how to live our lives free from sin and to resist temptation at all times.

I’m not sure about that Raggy. My own take is that churches can recognise our fallibility and I like the (Anglican) book of Common Prayer lines:
We have left undone those things which we ought to have done; And we have done those things which we ought not to have done;

It’s true of me and likely true of most…

But that’s mostly a digression. Whereas it might be recognised that we, the people, sin, churches and their officials are expected to be our (for want of a better term) “moral guides” and follow these “high standards” themselves. I suppose it can be quite a shock to learn that priests have been involved in things abominable. I guess I could speculate that might add to the temptation to cover things up although, obviously, that is not the way.

The only way forwards is openness, acknowledging crimes and dealing with such matters according to the law of the land(s).


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Feb 19 - 01:02 PM

RELUCTANCE TO INVESTIGATE A "GLOBAL ISSUE"
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Thompson
Date: 09 Feb 19 - 12:40 PM

America too - and I have no doubt also other, civilised countries.

"In a statement issued Thursday, the Leadership Conference of Women Religious, the largest association representing nuns in the U.S., said that while this problem is prevalent mostly in developing countries — there have been many cases in Africa, and last year a nun in India accused a priest of repeatedly raping her between 2014 and 2016 — it has gone on in the U.S., too.

"The conference specifically referenced a 1996 study from St. Louis University that indicated, "there were sisters in the United States who had suffered some form of sexual trauma by Catholic priests. Often those sisters did not share this information even with their own communities." "


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Feb 19 - 12:18 PM

What !!

I can assure you Joe I, and I would suggest most people, refrain from crime because we are told by "authorities" not to commit crime.

Which planet do you live on??


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Feb 19 - 12:17 PM

It's not the crime, which, as you say can happen anywhere
It's the long tern facilitating by covering up those crimes by the hierarchy that is destroying the church from within
They are still acting like an organisation that doesn't have the good sense to come in from the rain - the Bishop Barros fiasco being typical
Personally I don't care less about the fate of the Church, but I care about my friends and relatives who would be deeply distressed should it collapse in the manner it is set fair to do
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Feb 19 - 11:58 AM

But that's not the reality, Raggytash. Your contention shows a lack of understanding of crime, particularly sex crimes. People don't refrain from crime, just because some authority tells them not to do it. For the most part, crime is best dealt with by criminal prosecution.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Feb 19 - 11:47 AM

"why not in the church"

Simple Joe, because the church(es) are supposed to be beyond reproach. They are supposed to show us how to live our lives free from sin and to resist temptation at all times.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Feb 19 - 11:33 AM

"In a statement issued Thursday, the Leadership Conference of Women Religious, the largest association representing nuns in the U.S., said that while this problem is prevalent mostly in developing countries — there have been many cases in Africa, and last year a nun in India accused a priest of repeatedly raping her between 2014 and 2016 — it has gone on in the U.S., too."
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Feb 19 - 10:47 AM

The sexual abuse of nuns by priests has happened frequently in various African nations. I also recall a case in Ohio. I'm sure there are more.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2019/02/07/pope-reveals-nun-abuse-but-u-s-activists-say-problem-isnt-new/2804109002/


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Feb 19 - 06:44 AM

"It happens everywhere, so why not in churches?"
The 'divine' power of the church reaches far beyond that of any secular organisation so any attempts at comparison are totally irrelevant
One of the effects of revelations such as these has been to loosen the once almost unassailable power of the church - the last battle appears to be over the Church's continuing control over childrens' minds via the education system - hopefully that will be sorted out this year
If church supporters haven't realised the damage being done by the church's intransigence and evasion the destruction of their church will be down to them

To my knowledge, the rape and sexual abuse of nuns has never been raised as an issue publicly - if it had been it would have exploded as violently as has clerical child abuse and Magdalene slavery   
An at least "thirty year old" cover-up, it would appear
When will they ever learn ?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Feb 19 - 09:09 PM

A report came out in the New York Times the other day that priests had sexually abused nuns. This is something that I've known about for maybe thirty years - it has been discussed at length in Catholic newspapers like America and National Catholic Reporter. I am disgusted and embarrassed that this sort of thing would happen in my church, but the reality is that it DOES happen - that it's almost certain to happen in an organization with 1.2 billion members. It happens everywhere, so why not in churches?

A friend of mine posted the NY Times article on Facebook and urged his Catholic friends to leave their church, and here's how I responded:
    Maybe you can't understand this, but please try. I see each new exposure of misconduct as a step forward, not as a reason for leaving. I have known of these issues all my life, and I have fought against this sort of malfeasance for years. When it is brought to light and especially when it is prosecuted, I see that as a victory.
    But I am still Catholic because that's who I am. To leave, would be to betray myself. So I will remain a Catholic, and will continue to work to fix what's wrong with Catholicism.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Feb 19 - 07:44 PM

Nuns are fun but Priests are creeps.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Feb 19 - 11:55 AM

Ah ha ha in gory ha ha whew hee hee...


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: ollaimh
Date: 08 Feb 19 - 12:57 AM

the pope just admitted that priests used nuns for sex slaves, they cover themselves in gory one more time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Dec 18 - 03:04 PM

I bet clerical abusers want to go to heaven for the climate but are going to hell for the company they keep.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Brian May
Date: 26 Dec 18 - 02:04 PM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46684638

Even the Home Secretary.

I suppose he's racist too . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Rapparee
Date: 25 Dec 18 - 10:29 PM

I will also point out that there is growing concern over clerical abuse of adults.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Rapparee
Date: 25 Dec 18 - 10:20 PM

I have completed two different training sessions and a background check by the diocese just so I can be an usher/greeter. Anyone who might be working with children for over an hour per month is required to do this every three years. An adult working with, say, a boy scout troop can't send anyone to a bathroom unless the adult has checked it first and then an older kid must accompany a younger.

This type of requirement has been the rule since 2002.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: leeneia
Date: 25 Dec 18 - 12:04 PM

I agree with you, Joe. Some people are so eager to talk about sexual abuse in the Catholic church, but they never say a word about the many forms of help and charity that the church offers.
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My newspaper just ran a series on sexual abuse of teen-age girls in "independent fundamental Baptist churches." Cover-ups seem widespread.

The article got me to thinking. I was raised Lutheran, and in all my activities (Sunday school, Bible school, catechism, confirmation classes, services, parties) I can't remember a single time when I was ever left alone with an adult. (other than my mother or father, of course) This was in three churches in two states.

I just wrote a letter to the editor and said that. I also said to parents that if they belong to a church where a minister has kids alone in his office, then they should change churches.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Dec 18 - 04:48 PM

Yeah, I suppose the Catholic church at Ballyferriter is a valuable asset. It should be torn down and the property sold to developers who can build cute little prefab houses. Right?

Yes, there are justifications for bankrupting the Catholic Church. There are also consequences. All those mostly-empty "assets" cost a lot to maintain, so that tourists can come in and take selfies. Those old churches don't really function all that well for services that are suited to the times, but there's a raucous outcry from people who don't go to church, every time an old church closes or is modernized.

We Catholics acknowledge all the damage that was done by criminal priests in years past, but we also know that the vast majority of our priests were not guilty of these crimes. For most crimes, the guilty parties are the ones held responsible, and almost all agree that the criminals should pay the price of their crime. But in this case, it's different. The price is being paid by people who were mostly unaware of the crimes at the time they were happening. And because Catholic parishes have "assets," there are people lining up to collect those assets.

There's no question that we who are current members of the Catholic Church do have a share in the responsibility for reparations, but where does that responsibility end? When can we stop paying and go on with life?

Our parish just cut our music director from 40 to 12 hours per week - the congregation is shrinking, and there just wasn't enough money to pay her. We need a new roof, and that will cost $100,000. We thought our diocese paid for all those offenses at about the time they were reported, at about $100,000 per victim. But then came 2002 and the big reports of dioceses that hadn't paid, and we had to pay another million bucks per victim. We cut staff and closed buildings and learned to live on an austerity budget, but we still haven't recovered enough to pay a fulltime music director a living wage.

And yes, there are some dioceses who tried to evade their financial responsibility for the crimes their priests committed, and people are looking at us who already paid and thinking we owe more money.

And yeah, it does seem to me that there are some people who seek to take advantage of this crisis to put us out of business because they think we're evil, but we're not. We run homeless shelters and soup kitchens and food banks, and we are the strongest voice for justice for immigrants in the U.S. We want to get on with that work, and we are getting weary of those who dwell on the crimes a small minority of our priests committed in the last millennium.

So, yeah, go tear down the church and build cute little houses all over Ballyferriter, if that's what you want to do. We'd be better off without all those "assets."

-Joe Offer-

P.S. to ollaimh: My name is Joe, not "Holy Joe." You can take your honorifics and stick them up your ass. Merry Christmas.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Dec 18 - 04:21 PM

Oh, I think
the laity is aware of
what is going on.

Moreover, I think the laity is going to force significant change no matter what the Vatican does...and I don't mean by withholding collection monies.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 24 Dec 18 - 03:58 PM

http://www.buildingsofireland.ie/niah/search.jsp?type=record&county=KE&regno=21304201


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: keberoxu
Date: 24 Dec 18 - 03:54 PM

Of the two hundred - plus churches which were shut down by the Archdiocese of Boston, they have met with many varied fates.

The town of Wellesley had a church right on Route no. 9, which is not only a main commuter/connector route but is prime commercial real estate with everything from local businesses to state-of-the-art shopping malls. That particular church was a recent comer; some people moved to Wellesley who wanted a Catholic parish to worship in, and the church that was built was, honestly, a sort of cookie cutter church, nothing historical or unique.

Route no. 9 isn't going anyplace. The church, however, was literally razed down to the parking-lot foundation. You would never know that it had been there in the first place. Something else, and it is something commercial that is going to make money, is being built where the church stood.

The church which waked and buried Jack Kerouac back in the day, in his native Lowell, may have been a faithful reproduction of a Western-European continental style of architecture, so not terribly original, but the photos of the interior -- they were breathtaking in their beauty and elegance, with the Romanesque arches and all. The building is still standing. It is condominiums now.

I never looked inside -- Lowell is a ways away from me. I only saw those photographs on the webpages which the Archdiocese of Boston dedicated to 'real estate for sale.'

So many more ...


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: keberoxu
Date: 24 Dec 18 - 03:41 PM

Iains' attempted link -- it didn't work for me either --
was a pageholder for
Saint Vincent's Catholic Church in Ballyferriter, build in 1865.

I'll see if I can construct a functional link.

St. Vincent's Catholic Church


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