BS: UK party conferences

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 31 Aug 18 - 08:43 AM

Al - She started in East London circa 1985,
if she did see any of all that,
as far she is concerned it's been much worse since Blair
and this other current bunch of tories were in charge...

She at least had more evenings and weekends free,
until the demands and increasing workload at home of that bloody school laptop,
and non-stop texts and emails about work when she should be trying to switch off and rest...

We used to have a good active social life until about 15 years ago
But what do I know, I'm just her domestic personal asst...

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Aug 18 - 08:48 AM

"Al is presenting interesting stimulus for thought..."
He does most of the time
Corbyn is no more an anti semite than Keith is a humanitarian
The Israelis have now joined up with the old guard 'New Labour' in order to get rid of Corbyn - every single accusation can be traced to this
Frank Field's Wikin entry reads " Frank Field was named as the 100th-most-influential right-winger in the United Kingdom by the Daily Telegraph.[42] Field supports the return of national service to tackle growing unemployment and instil "a sense of order and patriotism" in Britain's young men and women.[43] "

The dream team of Netanyahu's nutters and Blair's WMD Warriors have targeted Corbyn from the day he pledged support for Palestine - the first accusation was made four weeks after he made that statement

Corbyn is saying nothing many thousands af Jews are saying about Israel
Laast month an INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE OF JEWS met and agreed that it it was antisemitic to accuse opponents of the regieme as being antisemitic
ISRALI JEWS ARE BEING ARRESTED ON THE STREETS of Israel for opposing Govenment policy
EVEN THE RABBIS ARE AT IT
YOUNG AMERICAN JEWS HAVE TAKEN TO THE STREETS, saying exactly what Corbyn is saying

Keith will respond to none of this - he will cling desperately to a has-been right wing Labour politicians wish to return to the days of new Labour

Useing the Jewish People to defend mass murder and ethnic cleansing is antisemitic in the extreme
It is the behaviour that sent six million Jews to their deaths

The only Jews Keith is interested are those who support extremist right wing policies
It really is time this ****** nonsense was nipped in the bud before we end up with Tommy Robinson as Prime Minister
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 31 Aug 18 - 08:53 AM

well of course its worse. It could only get worse once education was out of the hands of teacher who had to make it work and a political football.

In all that time there was only one decent minister of ed - John Macgregor. And once Thatch realised he was trying to undo the damage Keith Joseph had done - he was sent off to Northern Ireland.

After that it was lickspittle wankers all the way Baker, Clarke etc.

The course was set and it needed a more profound thinker posh boy Blair - education, education, education. my arse.

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 31 Aug 18 - 09:42 AM

look! if i'm wrong JC will win the next election. Let's hope I'm wrong and you're right!

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 31 Aug 18 - 09:56 AM

I'd like my mum to see a labour Govt again before it's too late for her..
She's voted loyaly all her life and never seen labour win anything locally in her part of the South West..
It's always been entrenched tory.. never changing...

Same in the town where I live 15 miles up the road...

Jacob Rees-Mogg's posh arse casts a dark blue shadow over the entire south west peninsula...

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 31 Aug 18 - 10:01 AM

..and I never saw JC as more than a surprising reminder to Labour about actually trying to be a labour party again.
I never expected him to survive even this long.
I really am keen to know who he'd choose as his preferred younger sucessor...

That young Welsh mp who challenged him, didn't seem that bad..
if he hadn't been egged on so prematurely...

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 31 Aug 18 - 11:04 AM

Keith - if you want this thread to flourish, then try to respect your own commitment to 'balance'

My posts are balanced, but the rest of you have made it all about Labour.
Jim has even started on about Israel again!!

I did post Field's own stated reason for leaving. That too was for balance. Many have posted what others claim his reasons to be, but only I have given his reasons according to him.

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 31 Aug 18 - 11:24 AM

ok.. you've done labour..

so now in the spirit of 'balance' give us your best merely reporting 'the facts' on a tory scandal...

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Aug 18 - 11:27 AM

Here's the important fact about Field. Resign? He should have been thrown out - a Red Tory.

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Aug 18 - 12:34 PM

"
Jim has even started on about Israel again!!"
This has never been about anything else
Why should a part founded mby emigre Jews with a centry's track record of opposing any form of racism suddenly (become Jew harets

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Aug 18 - 12:38 PM

as I predicted - you ahve ignored every single point - you were the one who raised the question Jews Keith - nobody else
You an obsessive antisemite

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 31 Aug 18 - 01:13 PM

Of my ten posts only 3 were about Labour only.
The rest of you chose to make it all about Labour.

Jim, Israel has no relevance at all to this thread.
You are just utterly obsessed with it.

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Aug 18 - 01:25 PM

You made it about Israel Keith
"Meanwhile Labour Jewish MPs seek bodyguards at their conference, as BBC's Laura Kuenssberg did last year, and Momentum want a motion calling for a second referendum on Brexit which the leadership do not want."
Any accusaation of antisemitism came with the return of Freinds of Israel with their orders
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 31 Aug 18 - 01:26 PM

Well the thing is Keith = whoever wins the Tory power struggle, its going to be a bloody tory, whatever happens...

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Aug 18 - 02:23 PM

By the way
"You are just utterly obsessed with it."
It is you who has dirplayed your hatred of labour for years
It is you who defended Tory sex pests and peados - claiming there was no evidence
Yet without a single shred of evidence that Corbyn has ever attacked the Jewish people oyu have pursued this issue until you have made yourself the sick joke that you have become
You have even betrayed the country you claim to be proud of by supporting a foreign power's interference in its democratic politics
Now that's what I call being obsessed
Go away Keith
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Aug 18 - 02:37 PM

LAURA KUENSSBERG
AND AGAIN

You do pick your friends, don't you
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Aug 18 - 02:50 PM

"Go away Keith"

Nah Jim, keep him here. At least while he's here he's not stinking up the Brexit thread with his verbal excrement.

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Aug 18 - 05:18 PM

One of the things I am quite thankful for is that since I live in Canada, I don't have to worry about all this. Rather, I can just sit back and calmly enjoy the spectacle of my UK compadres savaging each other over their usual rancorous partisan differences.

Lovely. Now, where did I put the chips?

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Aug 18 - 05:22 PM

Our pleasure, LH. Enjoy! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Sep 18 - 04:46 AM

Jim, remember I was a Labour voter and hope to be again.
What is your point about Kuenssberg? Mine was just that she needed bodyguards to attend the Labour conference last year. Are you happy with that?

Suppose she is a Tory. Does that make it right?

LH,
UK compadres savaging each other over their usual rancorous partisan differences.

Look again. There is a cadre of like minded zealots on one side, and just me putting the middle of the road majority view on the other.

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Sep 18 - 05:41 AM

"middle of the road "
Brainwashed Iroish Children
Culturally implanted child rapists
Slave Owning travelers

Nuff said
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Sep 18 - 06:21 AM

By the way
You voted for Labour when it was led by the WMD war criminal and you'll only vote for them again when Tommy Robinson becomes leader with Nigel Farage as deputy leader
Moderate my arseum
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Sep 18 - 06:22 AM

In reluctant response to the post of 04.46am, in the interests of honesty and balance (two attributes sorely missing, predictably, of course, from that post), here's the wiki entry on the matter of the bodyguard.

Bodyguard

Charles Moore in The Spectator wrote in July 2017 of being told "informally" that Kuenssberg had received protection from a bodyguard during the 2017 general election. The BBC had believed her safety was under threat because of online abuse considered to be mainly from supporters of Jeremy Corbyn.The BBC refused to comment about the story. The Labour politician Yvette Cooper defended the BBC's political editor: "It’s her job to ask difficult questions. It’s her job to be sceptical about everything we say." By the end of the campaign Kuenssberg was also being abused by Conservative and UKIP supporters.

At the Labour Party conference in Brighton in September 2017, Kuenssberg was accompanied by a man The Times identified as a former soldier who now works in security for a firm used by the BBC. Journalist Jenni Russell, a former BBC editor herself, was quoted in The New York Times about the issue affecting Kuenssberg: “The graphic level of threats to women is quite extraordinary and it’s one of the worst things to have happened in recent British public life.” The bodyguard also accompanied her to the Conservative Party conference in Manchester in October 2017.

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Sep 18 - 07:47 AM

"There is a cadre of like minded zealots on one side, and just me putting the middle of the road majority view on the other."


An outstanding comedy quote of 2018...


too sophisticated to be mere satire...

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Sep 18 - 07:50 AM

I really can't be arsed. As Einstein said, "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result".

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 Sep 18 - 08:11 AM

Wow! And Einstein didn't play The Boot and Shoe Club in Leicester....how did he know that?

that's clever!

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Sep 18 - 09:22 AM

BONUS FEATURE: DELETED ALTERNATIVE TAKE...

"There is a cadre of like minded zealots on one side, and just me putting the middle of the road majority view on the other."

Yes, we also have other patients in this secure unit
who sincerely believe they are Napoleon and Winston Churchill...

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Sep 18 - 10:09 AM

I am the only poster here (other than LH) not from the Labour Far Left.

Jim,
You voted for Labour when it was led by the WMD war criminal

I do not agree with that assessment. Under him we won three elections in a row after years in the political wilderness, and since he left we have never won another. Are you content to be permanently in opposition and just a protest party, or do you want to be a force for progressive and caring governance.

Steve, thanks for that information, but the threats to her all came from anti-Semites of the Far Left. Jewish MPs feel the need for protection now from the same area.

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Sep 18 - 10:44 AM

PFR,
"There is a cadre of like minded zealots on one side, and just me putting the middle of the road majority view on the other."
An outstanding comedy quote of 2018...

Fact actually. You are all from the Far Left of politics. I am the only poster from the centre ground.
Although your extreme views are utterly unrepresentative of UK opinion, your group of zealots now dominate all political debate here, just as you totally dominate this thread.

I concede that in non-political threads you are all geniality personified. Try to value diversity of opinion in politics too.

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Sep 18 - 11:00 AM

"I am the only poster here (other than LH) not from the Labour Far Left."
Nobody is from the far leeft - it's a meaning less term aimed usually at Trotskyists
You are from the far right - the Tommy Robinson variety - your track record gives you away
It's about time that yopu cme to terms with the fact that you, of all people, are not in the position to accuse anybody of being an extremists
After some of your pronouncements you'd have been disbarred from giving evidence at the Nuremberg War trials due to 'conflict of interest'
You describe me as being "obsessive" - you count the number of threads you've opened trying to show Corbyn (the least racist and bigoted politician in Parliament today) to b a Jew hater
Give it a rest - nobody here takes you seriously - you've made yuorself a figure of fun
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Sep 18 - 11:07 AM

SOMETHING ELSE FOR YOU TO IGNORE
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Sep 18 - 11:48 AM

Until the last General Election, I'd never voted Labour in my life - I had always voted Liberal, then later Lib-Dem, at every General and Local Election since I became eligible to vote in 1965. In that respect, I feel justified in claiming to be truly of the 'middle ground'.

The perception of an individual's political position depends on the point the perceiver starts from. The problem for a fascist is that, compared to themselves, anyone truly of the 'middle ground' appears to be, comparatively speaking, 'left-wing'.

I recommend the accuser to 'know thyself' before making unjustifiable accusations against those he has never met, and doesn't know from Adam.

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Sep 18 - 01:57 PM

BWM,
I feel justified in claiming to be truly of the 'middle ground'.

No. You have expressed your support for Corbyn and your contempt for Labour Blairites.
You are of the Labour Far Left like all the other posters here.
Like minded zealots all.

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Sep 18 - 01:59 PM

"Try to value diversity of opinion in politics too.
Zealots are unable to do that - that's what make them zealots."

Couldn't agree more. I have experience - frequently repeated - of Brexiteer Zealots making death threats against me because I disagreed with them. It seldom takes very long before they trot out the usual "You're a traitor who should be arrested, marched out, and shot" horse-shit.

People like them are best ignored.

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Sep 18 - 02:02 PM

Keefy - you don't know me. You don't know who I am, where I've been, what I've done - youknow nothing about me. If you really must make an ass of yourself, that's fine by me - feel free. I'll sit here and laugh.

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Sep 18 - 02:15 PM

The comical thing is..

..genuine far left zealots would probably accuse me of being an old white sexist racist f@cist bully...!!!???

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Sep 18 - 02:17 PM

.. and that other condemnation Keith likes making indiscriminate accustions of...

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Sep 18 - 03:11 PM

"You have expressed your support for Corbyn and your contempt for Labour Blairites."
If nothing of your other monstrous garbage confirms your extreme right wing extremism this will do nicely
Corbyn is not an extremist - far from it - he is s left parliamentary politician who has never advocated violent revolution to overthrow the state
He, like many millions of others on this planet is appalled at the ethnic cleansing and mass murder being carried out by Israel AND THAT IS ALL HE HAS EVER BEEN ACCUSED OF - NOBODY HAS ACCUSED HIM OF EXTREME LEFT WING POLITICS OTHER THAN RACIST ATROCITY APPEASING SHITS LIKE YOU
Blair is a war criminal who narrowly avoided being sentenced for lying about non-existent weapons - and you think that's acceptable, do you?
You are the most right wing, inhuman member of this fi=orul - Your hatred of other races, bcultures and communities hangs over this forum like Like a dirty miasma

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Sep 18 - 04:07 PM

And on that note, I reckon this thread has outlived its usefulness (if, indeed, it ever had any). Time to pull the shutters down on it?

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: peteglasgow
Date: 01 Sep 18 - 04:32 PM

i would guess most of us posting on here are too old and world weary to be zealots- and currently distressed and shell-shocked at recent developments. given that 9 out of 10 of europe's most deprived areas are in the uk and we are the most unequal society in the west i would be happy with some modest adjustments. like a proper respect for our public services for a start and an end to grand meaningless gestures like trident and hs2 eg. anyway, it is not much to ask that we scrap austerity , bit of re-nationalisation and an ethical foreign policy. anything that any well-run european country would expect as normal. we've gone a bit american when socialism is a dirty word.

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Sep 18 - 04:33 PM

come on... let's give keith a chance to demonstrate his new found objective balanced approach..

I'm sure he's busily researching his promised anti tory posts...

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Sep 18 - 04:49 PM

I wouldn't give him the steam off my piss...

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: peteglasgow
Date: 01 Sep 18 - 05:03 PM

cool yer boots, comrades. maybe you are left-wing zealots. i increasingly find that i am discussing stuff with people and struggle to find any agreement ('i never thought we would have to fight for the NHS all over again' - 'yeah, but what about about the muslim paedophiles'or 'it's disgusting the way that the palestinians are treated' - 'labour supporting anti-semite!' etc. i feel very mainstream but no one is accepting that these days.

however, i also feel we have to get far more angry with the government and not on these tiresome little threads.

the fact is that the british establishment have been exploiting and brutalising people all over the world - and here from peterloo to the somme to derry. opposing those 'people' is the only reasonable and patriotic thing to do. not left wing-just common decency

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Sep 18 - 07:02 PM

"Steve, thanks for that information, but the threats to her all came from anti-Semites of the Far Left. Jewish MPs feel the need for protection now from the same area."

Lies.

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 Sep 18 - 07:36 PM

Never mind Keith! You're most welcome to the steam off my piss.

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Stanron
Date: 01 Sep 18 - 08:40 PM

peteaberdeen wrote: 9 out of 10 of europe's most deprived areas are in the uk

Wow. Where did that come from?

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 Sep 18 - 10:00 PM

'Corbyn is not an extremist - far from it - he is s left parliamentary politician who has never advocated violent revolution to overthrow the state'

that's big of him.

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Sep 18 - 01:19 AM

When we see BBC news headlines speculating on a real split in the Labour party,
then it's obvious the extent to which the tories are pulling the strings,
and depending on divide and rule strategies
to deparately cling to power...

It doesn't matter which individual leads the Labour party,
the mainstream media & right wing bloggers would dig up any excuse to destroy his/her electability...

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: peteglasgow
Date: 02 Sep 18 - 03:53 AM

hi stan, my wife works for the OU and is very keen on her research. unfortunately i'm not and just rely on things i see for myself and - like everyone -on stuff i read on my chosen. anyway, she's down south in lancashire at the moment- i'll ask her about the 9 out of 10 figure when she gets back. in the meantime i think we can take it as read that we have an appalling problem with poverty, homelessness and sheer cruelty in our country's government just now which the tories are ignoring or making worse. feel free to comment on that while anxiously waiting for your reference.

Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Sep 18 - 04:06 AM

When we see BBC news headlines speculating on a real split in the Labour party,
then it's obvious the extent to which the tories are pulling the strings,

But John McDonnell just said that he is worried that the party will split over anti-Semitism? Tories pulling his strings?
Time to stop pretending and denying.

There is a rare meeting of the Jewish Labour Movement today that could be interesting, but on Tuesday the NEC will make a decision about the IHRA definition which could be crucial.
Hope the thread lasts until then.

Meanwhile, according to the Sundays the Tory party is in turmoil with two separate Brexit related schisms about to open.
Watch this space.

BWM,
Keefy - you don't know me.

I know your posts. You post from a Far Left position, supporting the Far Left Corbynites and reviling the Centre Left Blairites.