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BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when

Iains 13 Sep 18 - 01:44 PM
Iains 13 Sep 18 - 12:53 PM
Steve Shaw 13 Sep 18 - 07:21 AM
Thompson 13 Sep 18 - 06:08 AM
Iains 13 Sep 18 - 05:22 AM
Iains 13 Sep 18 - 05:19 AM
Steve Shaw 13 Sep 18 - 05:09 AM
Backwoodsman 13 Sep 18 - 02:32 AM
Thompson 13 Sep 18 - 02:15 AM
Mr Red 12 Sep 18 - 03:01 AM
KarenH 11 Sep 18 - 07:17 PM
KarenH 11 Sep 18 - 11:02 AM
Steve Shaw 11 Sep 18 - 08:51 AM
KarenH 11 Sep 18 - 07:45 AM
Iains 11 Sep 18 - 03:58 AM
BobL 11 Sep 18 - 03:06 AM
Mr Red 10 Sep 18 - 07:50 PM
Iains 09 Sep 18 - 09:56 AM
Thompson 09 Sep 18 - 09:37 AM
Dave the Gnome 09 Sep 18 - 05:38 AM
David Carter (UK) 07 Sep 18 - 02:36 PM
Nigel Parsons 07 Sep 18 - 10:57 AM
David Carter (UK) 07 Sep 18 - 10:26 AM
Dave the Gnome 07 Sep 18 - 09:25 AM
Nigel Parsons 07 Sep 18 - 07:56 AM
SPB-Cooperator 07 Sep 18 - 07:26 AM
Keith A of Hertford 07 Sep 18 - 05:17 AM
David Carter (UK) 07 Sep 18 - 05:09 AM
Keith A of Hertford 07 Sep 18 - 03:57 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Iains
Date: 13 Sep 18 - 01:44 PM

More comes to UK than leaves.Therefore stupidity over permits a bigger headache for the EU. And below a little item called evidence.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/627121/international-road-freight-statistics-2016.pdf

Page 6 is also noteworthy.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Iains
Date: 13 Sep 18 - 12:53 PM

There are many countries refuse to accept the validity of a passport with less than 6 months shelf life. It is a non issue for all those that do a minimum of research. Stupid is that stupid does!
The driving license issue will impact the EU equally as much, if not more. In a sane world the EU would strive to reach an accommodation.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Sep 18 - 07:21 AM

The UK has agreed in full with over 95% of EU laws and regulations, abstaining on a small minority and been outvoted on very few. The vast bulk of domestic law has got nothing to do with the EU, as in every other member state. About one percent of our GDP is involved in the EU (for those leavers who love to puff out their chests and start proclaiming things out of all proportion). The passport issue may well involve passports close to expiry, not an issue at present (as I know myself, as I'm going on holiday fairly soon with an almost-expired passport). We'll see what the papers say that are shortly to be published. The driving licences issue is a fairly urgent one, a bloody good reason not to have no deal (better still, no brexit). We're not talking about Fred Bloggs taking his missus to Spain in the Honda Jazz here. We're talking about tens of thousands of HGVs crossing borders, or not able to cross them.

"This is simply repeating or making up complete idiocy."

Well that'll be from Tory ministers today, not me. Do listen.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Thompson
Date: 13 Sep 18 - 06:08 AM

Passports are generally recognised by international agreements - they are your government's guarantee that you're travelling with its authority.

Phone roaming deals for people from EU countries visiting other EU countries naturally they won't cover British citizens and people with British phone plans when Britain stops being a member of the EU.

The EEA agreement grants Norway access to the EU single market, under an agreement by which Norway is subject to 5,000 of the 23,000, or 21 per cent, of EU laws. My impression is that Britain doesn't want to be subject to EU law?


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Iains
Date: 13 Sep 18 - 05:22 AM

How can you possibly have a threat to passports? It underpins and facilitates worldwide travel.
This is simply repeating or making up complete idiocy.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Iains
Date: 13 Sep 18 - 05:19 AM

"It's not possible to leave a trading co-operative but retain all the advantages agreed between members of such a co-operative"

Can you explain what Norway is then? Norway is not part of the EU and is part of the EEA and also a member of the schengen area.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Sep 18 - 05:09 AM

Hmm. Well one of those government no-deal papers to be released today spells out threats to the mutual recognition of driving licences, to passports and to phone roaming charges (which are currently not in force). Coming out later today. There may well be more.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Sep 18 - 02:32 AM

Like Thompson, I can't see any reason why the U.K. driving licence wouldn't be accepted. It's accepted in many countries outside the EU - for instance Canada, which I visit reasonably regularly, recognises my U.K. licence - so why not in the 27?

Although I'm a strong Remainer, I do recognise that there are a number of 'scare stories' circulating which have little or no basis in fact, and I'm pretty sure this is another of those.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Thompson
Date: 13 Sep 18 - 02:15 AM

Can't see any reason the UK driving licence wouldn't be recognised (though yes, Irish tourism and Irish industry is going to be catastrophically hit by the impoverishment of Britain).

What will be affected is all those things that are part of being a member of a co-operative group of states - mainly trade agreements but also social agreements.

It's not possible to leave a trading co-operative but retain all the advantages agreed between members of such a co-operative. It's a bit like a student saying "I"m going to move out of this house where we all pool our money for groceries. I'm going to go and live in another place a few roads away, and use my own money to buy my groceries, pooled with the other people who live in that house - but I still want my share of free groceries from this house."


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Mr Red
Date: 12 Sep 18 - 03:01 AM

all will be resolved in 6 weeks allegedly.

Cans and worms excepted.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: KarenH
Date: 11 Sep 18 - 07:17 PM

Re previous comment on olive oil. We used to keep a small bottle for use in loosening ear wax. Never occurred to us that it might have culinary purposes.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: KarenH
Date: 11 Sep 18 - 11:02 AM

'Everyone's a fruit and nut case' :)


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Sep 18 - 08:51 AM

Ah, but the people at Cadbury's are just fruit and nut cases...


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: KarenH
Date: 11 Sep 18 - 07:45 AM

I note that Cadbury's are stockpiling ingredients for their chocolate in case of a 'hard Brexit' (though that chocolate isn't what it used to be, sadly).


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Iains
Date: 11 Sep 18 - 03:58 AM

"you'll no longer be covered by the European Health Card co-operative agreement,"

That rather depends upon what is agreed for brexit. Like many issues it is a two way street.
If a uk driving permit is no longer recognised in Europe all those foreign cars and trucks will evaporate off british roads and Ireland's tourism will be massacred,or come at a much higher ferry price
(I suspect300% increase in ferry cost eg Rotterdam dublin 650 miles, plymouth santander 447 miles)

Likewise demands on the uk health services by eu nationals will require proof of funds prior to treatment unless sense prevails.

You seem to forget many organisations predate the EU. Nato and interpol being but 2 examples.

Do the EU really want to cut off their nose to spite their face?

Stupidity will inflict pain on both sides, something the negotiating wannabe bullies of the EU negotiating team seem to forget.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: BobL
Date: 11 Sep 18 - 03:06 AM

Foods that end up getting thrown away that are those that take longer than their shelf life to make. This is the cost of having them always in stock so nobody has to go without.
11) Accept that as far as perishables are concerned, WIGIG.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Mr Red
Date: 10 Sep 18 - 07:50 PM

The european health card only partly covers medical costs. Partly fer sure. But thanks to Bresxhit the cost of travel insurance will have to rise. The cost of a lot of things will rise when it means going or coming from Europe.

And when I said we can grow our own I was being somewhat sarcastic. Before WW2 we imported a huge percentage of food. I think figures like 40% have been banded about.

I still say we could feed ourselves nearly, IF:
1) we ate foods in season probably.
2) we restricted our diet.
3) we became less obese
4) and weaned ourselves of exotica.
5) we grow our own.
6) be prepared to work as fruit-pickers.
7) ate everything we bought.
8) were intelligent about consume-by dates.
9) taxed Tescos for throwing away palatable food.
10) payed a lot more for the food.
11) add more clauses below..............


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Iains
Date: 09 Sep 18 - 09:56 AM

"According to latest data from the Association of British Insurers (ABI), in 2016 £370m, equivalent to over £1m every day, was paid out by travel insurers to help 480,000 travellers and their families who needed help abroad. While the EHIC is a good thing to have, it should only be used in combination with travel insurance. Being prepared with both sets of coverage will ensure you and your family are completely covered if the unexpected happens."
The european health card only partly covers medical costs. Repatriation under medical supervision is not covered.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Thompson
Date: 09 Sep 18 - 09:37 AM

Stockpiling money might be a good idea. If you go on holiday to Spain and fall, you'll no longer be covered by the European Health Card co-operative agreement, and will have to pay for your hospital treatment in full.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Sep 18 - 05:38 AM

Ahhhh, David. But the French who ruled England had been here for 400 years so I think they had become pretty English by then :-)

And Nigel, you are once again engaging in you favourite passtime. It involves nits if you are unsure what I mean.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 07 Sep 18 - 02:36 PM

Gibraltar does not have a separate say in the running of the UK either. It actually has more say in the running of the EU as its voters can vote in European elections in the constituency of South West England.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 07 Sep 18 - 10:57 AM

Just out of interest, what parts of Europe were part of the British Empire? (R.o.I. excepted)
Gibraltar, is of course, British, and does not have a separate say in the running of the EU.
What happened prior to 1450 would not really be considered part of the 'British Empire'.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 07 Sep 18 - 10:26 AM

France ruled much of England from 1066 onwards. What happened up until 1450 was a feud between the French who ruled England and the French who ruled France.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Sep 18 - 09:25 AM

Gibralter.

And of course for 100 years of so, until 1450, England ruled much of France. For which they have never forgiven us :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 07 Sep 18 - 07:56 AM

From: SPB-Cooperator - PM
Date: 07 Sep 18 - 07:26 AM

The only reason it is beyond the May regime is the thought that they may have to cooperate with foreigners - a prospect that clearly fills them with disgust. Also they must resent the fact that the foreigners in Europe want a say in collective decision, instead of bowing at their 'masters' feet and doing what they were told like in the 'good old days' of their Empire.

Just out of interest, what parts of Europe were part of the British Empire? (R.o.I. excepted)


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 07 Sep 18 - 07:26 AM

The only reason it is beyond the May regime is the thought that they may have to cooperate with foreigners - a prospect that clearly fills them with disgust. Also they must resent the fact that the foreigners in Europe want a say in collective decision, instead of bowing at their 'masters' feet and doing what they were told like in the 'good old days' of their Empire. Hopefully, when the ball is on the other foot, the UK will get a taste of its own medicine.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Sep 18 - 05:17 AM

That is not how it seems at all. All will be kept.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 07 Sep 18 - 05:09 AM

What the hell difference does that make. The point is that we have free trade arrangements with those countries, but the May regime seems bent on throwing all of that away.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Sep 18 - 03:57 AM

many developing countries have reciprocal free trade agreements with the EU.

Are they all in the Customs Union?


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 07 Sep 18 - 02:35 AM

And again you use "we", Keith, to mean the May regime. I would have no trouble at all negotiating a free trade agreement with the EU. Nor membership of the customs union. But apparantly its beyond the May regime.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 07 Sep 18 - 02:33 AM

Apart from May's intransigence, that would be true.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 03:06 PM

We should have no trouble getting one then.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 11:10 AM

The EU applies tariffs on very little anyway, many developing countries have reciprocal free trade agreements with the EU.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 09:32 AM

We do not need to grow more food.
We import most of our needs and will continue to do so.
We just will not have to apply EU tariffs anymore, even if they apply them to our food exports.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 07:11 AM

Well we could cover the country with polytunnels and provide artificial heating and lighting. Very nice... Do a Google Earth and look how you can see the effect of this in Almería province in Andalucía, where tens of thousands of acres are covered in the flimsy, scruffy greenhouses they call plasticos. You can see them from hundreds of miles up in space.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 06:13 AM

Of course we can grow our own"

No, Mr. Red, we can't, we really can't. The climate, the soil, all kinds of unchangable factors.


There are many on this site that would give you very strong arguments to show that 'Climate' is not an "unchangeable factor".


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 05:14 AM

We shouldn't have to worry about any import tarrifs, as the government can directly subsidise this, and if it needs to recover the money, raise this through a poll tax levied on boroughs that were daft enough to vote leave. Not just consumer produce, but also supply chain components, or alternatively print ore money - hyper inflation may be an unfortunate by product - but if the printing money is kept off the books and circulate in brown envelopes then taht should be a problem.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 03:48 AM

"Of course we can grow our own"

No, Mr. Red, we can't, we really can't. The climate, the soil, all kinds of unchangable factors.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 03:41 AM

Tinned tomatoes clearly Karen. They are largely Italian, the good ones anyway. Not sure what else, I use very little tinned anything.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 03:33 AM

The cheapo food is largely produced domestically. Its the quality food which comes from the EU.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: KarenH
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 03:31 AM

Any suggestions for tinned stuff likely to rise in price, for example? Because it keeps longer.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Mr Red
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 03:27 AM

Since we are concentrating on food prices, it is worth pointing-out that family food bills constituted (on average) 20% of the household budget in the 1960s. That figure currently runs to 11% and I have heard lower figures touted.

Where does the cheapo in "cheapo food" come from? Countries that welcome the revenue. Countries that are not exactly growing obese.

So when these countries realise their population is rising faster than western Eurpe, and the public are ever more savvy - how much of that cheapo food will stay at home to feed the angry mob?

Now factor-in global warming that is pushing optimum growing latitudes ever further to the poles, resulting in pest control getting ever more chemical, and yields falling in hotter climes &/or new less suitable terrain........

Food prices will be unfavourably affected.

Throw in Brexshit and vendors have a perfect excuse to hide the necessary re-balance in a "not my fault" excuse. It happened with decimisation. It happened with metrication. Plus ça change. History repeats itself, it has to, nobody listens.

Of course we can grow our own, picked by cheapo migrant labour from where? Calais?


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 05 Sep 18 - 02:44 PM

In the case of the tories the farming that they want to protect is that carried out by rich farmers who are tory members and donors. Labour, if they follow Keir Starmer's current thinking, would keep us in the customs union and align us with the single market, and then there wouldn't be a problem.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Sep 18 - 02:26 PM

It might be Labour by then.
I think the parties agree on which farming needs protection anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 05 Sep 18 - 01:59 PM

Our elected government are a bunch of dishonest scum who are probably in the pockets of UK producers. So still the citizens who just want to but EU produce at a reasonable price will lose out.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Sep 18 - 10:02 AM

And who decides "where our own producers need protection"?

No. Our elected government.

The protection is already in place. The only difference will be that most tariffs can be removed.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Sep 18 - 09:59 AM

So every shipment then needs to be checked to see if it competes with a UK producer?

There is a database of products that holds all such information. There is almost no checking of shipments.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 05 Sep 18 - 09:58 AM

And who decides "where our own producers need protection"? Those producers themselves, to enable them to charge higher prices? One think is for certain, it is joe public who needs this stuff who will lose out.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Jack Campin
Date: 05 Sep 18 - 09:23 AM

So every shipment then needs to be checked to see if it competes with a UK producer?

If only .01% of the imports from a source country are problematic, 100% of them need to be checked, with all that implies.

One thing I expect to happen: supplies of illegal drugs will expand enormously. The customs people will be so snarled up looking for illegal catfood you'll be able to haul cocaine by the containerload undetected.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Sep 18 - 08:54 AM

No. You must treat all countries the same. No tariffs on food imports except where our own producers need protection.


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