BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 03:01 AM

Liar Jim,
When Keith describes "all make Pakistanis as culturally implanted perverts

I never have nor would make such a ludicrous claim, liar.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 03:44 AM

"The presence of a word in the dictionary (Collins or any other) does not confer respectability on it."
You obviously intend to continure making this an issue rather than addressing its implcationbs and the point of the practivce iself - shame on you Nigel

"I grew up in inner city Manchester during the 1980s. The winter of discontent had turned into the decade of disgruntlement. Thatcher had declared that there was no such thing as society and no one understood that more than those who were on the margins. Paki-bashing was almost a national pastime."
The Independent

"In both the United Kingdom and Canada, the term "Paki" is commonly associated with "Paki-bashing", violent attacks against people of South Asian origin. "Paki-bashing" began in the late 1960s and was frequent during the 1970s–1980s, with the attackers often being supporters of far-right fascist, racist and anti-immigrant movements. By 1985, there were annually more than 20,000 racist attacks on British people of colour, including Britons of South Asian origin.
Wiki (15 uses of the term)

""In the Seventies we used to help protect the Asians from what was called Paki-bashing by white skinheads. Now their children are the ones doing the bashing and they are targeting our children, young blacks. It's madness.""
Daily Telegraph

"The widespread use of the word "Paki" dated from the late 1960s and early 1970s when incidents of "Paki bashing" took place with the result that the term had become associated with violence towards a race."
Telegraph again
BBC

"paki bashing
A pass time once common in U.K. and Canadian cities where drunken white youths would lay the boots to an unsuspecting Pakistani refugee.
Let's have a few beer and go paki bashing, eh?"
Urban Dictionary

From Article 'STRIKING BACK AGAINST RACis VIOLENCE IN THE EAST END
" In recovering this lost episode of resistance to ‘Paki-bashing’, unleashed in the aftermath of Enoch Powell’s inflammatory speeches,"
and
"Keywords: autonomous self-organisation, Enoch Powell 1968, integration, Paki-bashing, Pakistani organisations, Peter Shore MP, policing, racist violence and harassment, self-defence, Tosir Ali, Tower Hamlets"

English: Paki-bashing
Paki-bashing in British
noun
British offensive, slang
the activity of making vicious and unprovoked physical assaults upon Pakistani immigrants or people of Pakistani descent
Collins English Dictionary.

"For Khan-Din's family, and those like them, Britain in the early 70s was often unwelcoming; it was a time of tin baths and "Paki-bashing"."
Guardian

For the tTories amongst us, it appears to be the hare that dare not speak its name (sort of like homoosexuality) - best forgotten
It was a specific and evil practice that describes what it was perfectly
exactly what it was
Litlle wonder that those who defend what is happening today wish to sweep it under the carpet
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 03:50 AM

From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 13 Feb 11 - 07:10 AM
"Don I do now " believe that all male Pakistani Muslims have a culturally implanted tendency" but only because of the testimony of all those knowledgeable people, and always acknowledging that only a tiny minority succumb.
Do you dismiss all that just because it does not fit your preconceptions, or do you have some powerful evidence to the contrary that you have not shared with us?

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Iains
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 04:12 AM

Anyway back to the thread. How can the center ground be reclaimed by Labour when Jeremy Corbyn is seeking to make it harder for Labour MPs to be automatically reselected between elections? Labour sources said that his office was considering “taking back control” of the debate over reselection at the Labour conference next week. The plan would, in effect, boost the power of local Momentum groups to move against sitting MPs who did not back the party’s leader.
   If the party is not split already this latest wheeze will certainly add to the chaos,if it gets the go ahead.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 04:39 AM

"How can the center ground be reclaimed by Labour when Jeremy Corbyn is seeking to make it harder for Labour MPs to be automatically reselected between elections"
Because Blair hi-jacked Labourt, abandoned its principles and made it a pale shadow of the Tories
Old labour provided a balance in British politics - that balance no longer exists
The party is only "split" because the majority of its membership are challing the old guard and demanding a return to purpose rather than career politics
Compared to the Tories, labour is presenting a "monolithic united front"
The only way the present Government can carry a vote is to bribe unsavoury otside parties unsing British taxes
That is in essence, sharp practice
Jim carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Iains
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 05:04 AM

Compared to the Tories, labour is presenting a "monolithic united front.

monolith:a large, impersonal political, corporate, or social structure regarded as indivisible and slow to change.


Slow to change! Got that bit right!
Indivisible;Factions

Scribbled response with the usual lack of accuracy. Quelle surprise!

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 05:06 AM

Well we'll have to see what the conference (not Corbyn) decides, won't we? Just a couple of things. First, what has happened in several constituencies so far is that there have been votes of no confidence in sitting MPs. The votes have no constitutional force, can't make the MPs stand down and are NOTHING to do with deselection. They are warning shots from frustrated constituents across the bows of MPs who insist on briefing against and undermining an extremely popular leader of the party, arguably threatening the chance of Labour winning the next election. Nothing sinister, eminently sensible and thoroughly democratic. Second, "local Momentum groups" (nice smear) consist of individual members who have no more voting power than any other members in constituency matters. Cabals within parties getting themselves organised is no sin. If it were, the Tories to a man would all be rotting in hell in by now.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 05:22 AM

The Tory Party is so split that Micheal Barnier has issued a warning that whatever agreement over Brexit is reached is a binding one in case a later Tory leader attempts to re-negotiate it
How about responding to points rather that to divert away from them with semantics ?
British society is totally fragmented from top to bottom
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 05:26 AM

SUMMED UP PERFECTLY HERE
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Iains
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 06:07 AM

Jessica Shankleman, Tim Ross, Suzi Ring and Alex Morales sum up nought. They are are merely hacks voicing opinions. Might as well discuss cabbages.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 06:19 AM

Whereas Paul Staines is the epitome of ethical journalism?

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 06:23 AM

The deselection needs to be of those MPs, Hoey, Field and Stringer to start with, who have collaborated with the tories on their mad brexit policy. Those three should go for a start. That isn't conspiring against Corbyn. That is conspiring against the party and the people.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 06:27 AM

"They are are merely hacks voicing opinions. "
UNLIKE
It seems journalists can only be taken seriously if they agree with you - only extremists right wing bloggers are to be trusted

The facts speak for themselves - the Tories are at each other's throats, the country is divided, even the lemmings don't know which way to jump
Jim Carroll

From Super-Tory Murdoch's Times today
Tory Eurosceptics divided after report warns of chaos
Oliver Wright Policy Editor
A no-deal Brexit would be “chaotic and damaging” for the economy and must be avoided, a cross-party committee of MPs has concluded.
In a report backed by at least one prominent Tory proponent of Brexit, the MPs called for the government to prioritise its efforts on agreeing a withdrawal agreement with Brussels.
It said that should Britain leave the EU without a negotiated settlement there would be “significant consequences”. “This would be chaotic and damaging for the UK economy and would leave many businesses facing huge uncertainty,” it said.
The Brexit select committee report’s conclusions were backed by the former culture secretary, John Whittingdale, who campaigned for Brexit and opposes the Chequers deal. In a move that will be noted in Downing Street he broke ranks with other Brexiteers on the committee, including Jacob Rees-Mogg, who voted against the report’s conclusions, and agreed to go along with the majority view. He said that his decision did not represent a change in approach but that he agreed with the broad thrust of the analysis. “The basic conclusions of the report I don’t disagree with,” he said. “A deal is better than no deal. I am not somebody who thinks that no-deal is problem free.” Mr Rees-Mogg used a BBC Panorama programme on Brexit last night to warn Mrs May not to hand parliament an ultimatum to back her deal or crash out of the bloc. Referencing the 1971 Clint Eastwood film he said: “This is the sort of Dirty Harry option isn’t it, it’s ‘come on punk make my day, how many shots have been fired?’ If you make the wrong choice the consequences can be unpleasant.”
The chairman of the Exiting the European Union committee, the Labour MP Hilary Benn, said that time was running out to agree a withdrawal agreement and solve the issue of the Northern Ireland border.

Jaguar in Brexit row, business, page 35

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 06:36 AM

Solution is a two year pause in the process, time for a rethink and another election. Would the EU27 agree??

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Iains
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 06:42 AM

There really is no point in slagging my mate guido. Like anyone else making claims in the blogosphere, his stated facts can always be verified.
A fact is a fact, an opinion is merely an opinion. Why do so many here confuse the two very different beasts?

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 06:55 AM

his stated facts can always be verified

And those of Jessica Shankleman, Tim Ross, Suzi Ring and Alex Morales cannot?

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Iains
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 07:00 AM

"It seems journalists can only be taken seriously if they agree with you - only extremists right wing bloggers are to be trusted"

What a silly little man!
What I said was that any statement made can be verified as fact, fiction or falsehood. Who wrote it, their political affiliation, the number of times they have been adulterous or been caught drink driving matters not a whit.
Now I will try to make this as little of a challenge to the challenged as possible:
    It is the statement that is of interest not the person making it.

Or perhaps to follow your own stated view, the opinions of an ex sparky living in a bog should be totally ignored because he has no qualifications to justify him taking any particular political stance.
And please spare us the family history as a justification. We can all play that particular wicket ad nauseum.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 07:32 AM

Solution is a two year pause in the process, time for a rethink and another election. Would the EU27 agree??
Whether the EU27 would agree or not, I don't think you would get that proposal past the UK population.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 07:41 AM

" I don't think you would get that proposal past the UK population."
You no longer have a n idea what the UK population thing - you don't even have the bottle to ask them whether they wish to reconsider their decision to leave Europe - a decision which was pushed through by a minority of that population

"What I said was that any statement made can be verified as fact, "
No - you described the reporters as three hacks - the facts speak for themselves anyway
And still you ignore the divided state od a party whose members go out at night in fear of being stabbed in the bacvk by fellow members
What a dishonest little man

THE TORY-BOY TELERAPH
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 07:41 AM

"...his stated facts can always be verified."

Yet you have never "verified" a single one. You simply spout them out from his blog parrot-fashion, often without any supporting comment.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 07:45 AM

"...I don't think you would get that proposal past the UK population."

So let's not ask them. The suggestion is hardly for a negation of the referendum result in any case, so there's no point. Let's do things the sensible way and ditch the populist crap.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 07:56 AM

Blair won three elections in a row for Labour after they were 13 years in opposition.
They have not won again since.

He at least was able to get some progressive Labour policies into law.

The Far Left has always been unelectable here, which is why they try so hard to infiltare Lablour and have finally succeeded.
Perhaps the electorate has changed and will now vote for them. We will see.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 07:58 AM

"Infiltrate" my arse (even when spelled correctly). To you ignorant right-wingers, nice Blairites join things but lefties always infiltrate things. Total nonsense.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 08:08 AM

Blairites did not infiltrate except by winning elections.
They still dominate at Westminster. The Far-Left have infiltrated the membership. They have changed the membership profile and are taking over local parties.
Almost none have ever won any kind of election.
They have always been unelectable. Perhaps that has somehow changed now.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 08:10 AM

You no longer have a n idea what the UK population thing - you don't even have the bottle to ask them whether they wish to reconsider their decision to leave Europe - a decision which was pushed through by a minority of that population

Once again, this idea that Brexit was "pushed through by a minority of the population".
Of those eligible to vote, who chose to exercise their right to vote, Brexit was the decision of the majority.

Once Article 50 was issued there is no turning back. The UK is leaving the EU.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 08:28 AM

Is that what the EU say Nigel? If not,then there is turning back.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 08:48 AM

Nigel. No-one believes that we can't reverse Article 50, not even the bloke who drafted it.

Now I'm a leftie. When Jeremy was elected I decided to join the party. I filled in a form, sent it off, set up my direct debit, then, after a few days, got me welcome pack along with membership card. Along with half a million others, that's how I "infiltrated" the Labour Party. I have a sneaking suspicion that Jeremy-haters "infiltrated" the party exactly as I did.

So blow it out yo' ass, Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 09:15 AM

Once again, this idea that Brexit was "pushed through by a minority of the population".

But. Nigel, it's a fact, whichever way you look at it. In roundish numbers, 17.5 million voted for Brexit. The population is 66.5 million. Where's me calculator now...

Yep, that's about 26.3% of the population who voted for brexit. Of course, that's not fair because you can't vote if you're under 18 (the group that's going to be far more adversely affected by brexit than anyone else, but hey).

So let's do it as a proportion of those who WERE allowed to vote. That's 46.5 million, so lessee, what's 17.5 million out of 46.5 million?

Well that's 37.6%, Nigel. So only 37.6% of those eligible to vote are indeed responsible for pushing brexit through. That's a minority, Nigel. It's not much more than a third of the electorate and not much more than a quarter of the total population (not all of whom could vote but all of whom, ESPECIALLY those who couldn't vote, will be adversely affected).

So, Nigel, it's not an "idea." It's a fact.

Next point up for debate: "The people have spoken...". :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 09:35 AM

" Brexit was the decision of the majority."
Of those who voted - those who didn't have obviously lost any confidence in the voting system due to lying politicians
Now that Brexit has proved the nightmare it was predicted to be, the people should have a right to decide again
I asssume you've dropped this 'Paki bashers' nonsense

Why is Keith supporting a British war criminal?
Rhetorical question he makes a habit of supporting war criumiunals
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 09:52 AM

Steve, you're again trying to force the figures to say what you want them to say.
Of those who were entitled to vote, and chose to exercise that entitlement, the vote favoured Leave by 52:48
Of the total electorate if only 37.6% voted Leave, then only approx. 34.7% voted Remain. Again a majority in favour in the ratio 52:48
If you recalculate the figures giving those who voted Leave as a percentage of the total population you will still find that the percentage is greater than those who voted Remain, and still in the ratio of 52:48

As for the idea that those not entitled to vote being "adversely affected", that is your opinion. Those who voted Leave (for the most part) did so because we believe it is best for the future of the country, and that (after some initial costs) we will all benefit.

And I love the quote: No-one believes that we can't reverse Article 50, not even the bloke who drafted it.

Here's another, I wonder whether you'll recognise it:
"Once buttons have been pushed," Keith. The button is Article 50. No going back once that has been kick-started, despite what Teribus sez. Irrevocable. As far as I can see from here, that is a rock-solid cert. This is not about not doing it. It's about doing it properly. Rule of law, Keith. In fact, to all intents and purposes, the "decision of the people" (all 37% of them) was always intended to be irrevocable.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 11:33 AM

That was posted well before the good lord who drafted Article 50 told us that it wasn't, after all, irrevocable. And it was posted well before the EU made gentle noises to the same effect. The whole country was told that Article 50 was the point of no return. It was yet another brexiteer lie, intended to close the door on the debate once and for all. You believed it then, I believed it then. I now know what's true about Article 50, Nigel. Come and join us.

So now back to your statement, Nigel. Once again, this idea that Brexit was "pushed through by a minority of the population". You see, you wish to relegate it to being just "an idea" (anyone remember that other Tory trick of relegating the election promise to get immigration down to the tens of thousands to being just "an aspiration?"). The statement "brexit was pushed through by a minority of the population" is not "an idea" at all. It's rock-solid true. You have the numbers. You're a stickler for precision with words, Nigel, so you purport. So let me just nitpick YOU. "Population" is not the same thing as "electorate." Only, this isn't quite as irrelevant as some of YOUR nitpicking, is it? After all, you brexiteers, when you spoke for the nation, forgot that you were speaking for millions of young people who will be suffering the effects of your "speaking," long after you'll be pushing up the daisies. And, tragically, they didn't get a say. They were only allowed to be in the population, not in the electorate. I'd say that isn't a nitpicking difference meself.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Iains
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 12:22 PM

"Whereas Paul Staines is the epitome of ethical journalism?"
What a bizarre question. Does he print facts that can be verified? yes
The four hacks are voicing opinion and possible outcomes.
Those with any kind of education realise that fact,fiction, falsehood and opinion are very different. If you cannot appreciate the difference perhaps you should stick to reading comics.

It is a bit like shaw, who obviously went to the same maths school as the abbacus , and came away with nought.
If talking about a polling result the majority wins. Those that are not enfranchised, could not crawl out of bed, or otherwise abstained, not surprisingly do not count.
Perhaps the Shaw would like to extend the vote to a foetus, or sperm and eggs, or maybe even parrots that can talk. A total nonsense of course, just like trying to include those that did not vote. The loony left is not so called frivolous reasons!

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 12:47 PM

The four hacks are voicing opinion and possible outcomes.

You are getting as bad as keefy with your verbal gymnastics. About time you were either ignored or sin binned again. But before that, let us know which facts these 'hacks' have misrepresented then. Your hero posts opinions too in case you had not noticed. It is what columnists do.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Iains
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 01:19 PM

Who has said the hacks misrepresented anything? Mayhap it is you guilty of verbal gymnastics, or simply of misunderstanding the argument or simply creating a fiction to provoke argument?

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 01:41 PM

No one said they had misrepresented anything but that is your fall back answer if anyone criticises your hero. They all give opinions. The only difference is that they express moderate views while Staines peddles right wing bigotry. No wonder you are such a fan boy of his. Now, how about you give us all a break and go back into hiding.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Iains
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 02:48 PM

"let us know which facts these 'hacks' have misrepresented then."
"No one said they had misrepresented anything"

Both by the gnome. He seems a little confused and yet still tries to provoke. Howsabout you get your facts straight first, and then come back to try to provoke argument.

I suggest you read any postings of mine containing juicy titbits (facts)from guido and demonstrate what has been said by him that cannot be verified by numerous independent sources.

I await your response with interest.

Put your money where your mouth is would be the correct term I believe. Over to you!

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 03:17 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Iains - PM
Date: 13 Sep 18 - 06:48 AM

And we can rely on Guido to tell it how it is. Study the attached questionaire. IT would take years for some the corbyn dream team to give comprehensive answers that would satisfy the security forces.

https://order-order.com/2018/09/12/another-top-corbyn-aide-working-without-security-clearance/


Snippet from the link you posted

A number of Corbyn’s top team are probably going to need more than half a page to give full details on that one…

Pure personal prejudice. Nothing factual at all. Cannot be verified by anyone.

Easy. Next...

No, on second thoughts. don't bother. Your silly little games are as boring as keefy's. Time for you to be consigned to the same place as him.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 03:27 PM

I'm right here Dave.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 03:55 PM

Who said that?

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 04:01 PM

Me Dave. My name is right there.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Iains
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 04:40 PM

AS Guido said on the link in question:
BI>Another top Corbyn adviser, Andrew Murray, has reportedly been working in the Labour Leader’s Commons office for eight months without the required security clearance. His application has been pending for over a year..

Andrew Murray was a member of the Communist Party of Great Britain until he joined Labour two years ago.

A quick glance at the parliamentary pass application form might explain why so many of Corbyn’s team have been having trouble. Question 30 asks if applicants have ever been associated with people or groups who have “intended to overthrow or undermine Parliamentary democracy by political, industrial, or violent means?” A number of Corbyn’s top team are probably going to need more than half a page to give full details on that one…

For your delectation and our delight read about Corbyn's Shadow Chancellor calling for inserrection on the streets. Now do you accept it would probably take a long time for someone such as John Mcdonald to answer question 30. Below you can hear it from the traitors mouth.
Insurrection

FACTS dear boy, FACTS!
Try again

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 04:49 PM

A number of Corbyn’s top team are probably going to need more than half a page to give full details on that one…

FACTS dear boy, FACTS!
Try again

There is little point continuing this as you can't see the diference between fact and fiction. Care to veryfy what number of Corbyn's top team have been denied security clearance because they been associated with people or groups who have “intended to overthrow or undermine Parliamentary democracy by political, industrial, or violent means?"

Must try harder. Or then again, nah. I couldn't be arsed giving you any further proof of your pin-up's blatant right wing bias.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Iains
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 12:07 AM

A number of Corbyn’s top team are probably going to need more than half a page to give full details on that one…


If you wish to argue about the validity of facts then choosing as an example a phrase that contains probably merely betrays not only your ignorance of what constitutes a fact but also a woeful deficiency in your understanding of plain english.
The use of the word probably indicates a possible outcome, a surmise, or conjecture. Only the challenged would suppose the outcome is incontrovertible fact.
Trying to explain the obvious to you is really not worth my further time or effort.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 01:47 AM

What a bizarre question. Does he print facts that can be verified? yes. The four hacks are voicing opinion and possible outcomes.
...
The use of the word probably indicates a possible outcome, a surmise, or conjecture.


So it is OK for Staines to use possibilities, surmise and conjecture yet when others do it their work is questionable. I think that underlines your infatuation with the man. You need to get yourself a more wholesome hobby.

My work is done.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 03:33 AM

He's in love with Staines because every utterance from that nasty POS serves to reinforce his own extreme-right, bigoted views.

Like the Clown of Hertford, he's best ignored.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 04:28 AM

He's attemptint to divert the attention away from the fact that neither of these .....whatever have any intention of responding to the points in hand
He has no argument - neither of them have attempted to offer one, so he veers to the merits of his favourite version of Dr Goebbels

"Like the Clown of Hertford, he's best ignored."
He has his uses - the shape of things to come if Britain continues to swing further to the right
As Angela Davis nearly said, "If he comes for us in the morning, who knows who he'll come for in the afternoon if he gets a big enough gang bahind him" (they always run in packs)

Pause for torrent of infantile abuse

"I'm right here Dave."
Right as they come

MORE SHAPES OF THINGS TO COME

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 04:43 AM

If there's one thing for certain about the Clown of Hertford, it's that he's not 'right there' - in the head at least.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Iains
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 04:48 AM

"So it is OK for Staines to use possibilities, surmise and conjecture yet when others do it their work is questionable"

Your words, not mine! Your erroneous conclusions, not mine!

I believe the discussion was about your obvious confusion between a known outcome(fact) and a possible/probable outcome(surmise and conjecture)

You apparently are still none the wiser, hence your verbal gymnastics, and abusive response. Typical leftie approach, cannot argue out of a paper bag so lets resort to name calling and insults.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 05:37 AM

499...

Go on, you know you want to :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Let's reclaim the centre ground!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 05:38 AM

Damn those fingers!

400 :-)