Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Alternate lyrics to Arlo Guthrie piece From: Joe Offer Date: 17 Sep 18 - 10:45 PM This is a fun thread. Thank for starting it, Pseudonymous. -Joe- |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Alternate lyrics to Arlo Guthrie piece From: GUEST,Gerry Date: 17 Sep 18 - 08:08 PM Hot Tuna recorded Keep On Truckin' which had a stanza, What's that smell like fish pretty baby, I really would like to know Tell me What's that smell like fish oh mama, I really would like to know That ain't puddin' baby ain't no pie, it's the stuff that I got you by So keep on truckin' mama, truckin' my blues away Very similar sound to Alice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWxJOht2yRE |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Alternate lyrics to Arlo Guthrie piece From: GUEST,Jerry Date: 17 Sep 18 - 05:53 PM If I remember rightly, Alice’s Restaurant uses the standard ragtime blues chord progression, with the circle of fifths chord changes. Artists like Blind Boy Fuller used it for a couple of dozen of his songs, and others like Blind Blake, Rev Davis, Willie McTell used it a lot too. I doubt if any one performer could have claimed to have used it first, any more than anyone could genuinely lay claim to the standard twelve bar blues chord progression. |
Subject: Lyr Add: WHAT'S THAT SMELLS LIKE FISH (Fuller) From: Joe Offer Date: 17 Sep 18 - 05:05 PM That's a great find, Gillymor. I don't think the two tunes are so closely related that Arlo would owe royalties to the white man who owns the rights to Blind Boy Fuller songs, but it sure seems like Arlo built on the Fuller melody. WHAT'S THAT SMELLS LIKE FISH? (Blind Boy Fuller, 1938) What's that smell like fish, mama? Food, if you really want to know What's that smell like fish, baby? Food, if you really wants to know Smell like puddin' and it ain't no pie Same thing that you know you have to buy What's that smell like fish? Food, if you really wants to know, I mean Food, if you really wants to know (Yeah) What's that smell like fish, mama? Food, if you really wants to know What's that smells like fish, baby? Food, if you really wants to know Smell like sardines and it ain't in no can Same doggone thing you chucked at the other man What that smell like fish, mama? Food, if you really wants to know, I mean Food, if you really want to know What's that smell like fish, baby? Food, if you really wants to know (Yeah) What's that smells like fish, mama? Food, if you really wants to know Smell like puddin' and it ain't no pie Really good to me and it ain't no lie What that smell like fish, mama? Food, if you really wants to know, still tellin' you Food, if you really wants to know (Yeah) (Play it a long time. Play it till it gets good to me) What's that smell like fish, mama? Food, if you really wants to know What's that smell like fish, baby? Food, if you really wants to know Make you weep and it'll make you moan Same doggone thing made me leave my home What that smell like fish, baby? Food, if you really wants to know, I mean Food, if you really wants to know Source: http://lyrics.wikia.com/wiki/Blind_Boy_Fuller:What%27s_That_Smells_Like_Fish%3F |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Alternate lyrics to Arlo Guthrie piece From: gillymor Date: 17 Sep 18 - 03:41 PM This Blind Boy Fuller song is quite similar to "Alice..."- What's That Smell Like Fish Truck'in My Blues, another Fuller tune, was also a bit like it and not surprisingly because those old bluesmen often recycled tunes for different sets of lyrics. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Alternate lyrics to Arlo Guthrie piece From: Joe Offer Date: 17 Sep 18 - 02:15 PM Well, here's a rather delightful recording by Per Juul: As for the Arlo Guthrie song, I can't imagine it's anything but original, but I think he meant it to sound familiar. Wikipedia calls it "a protracted spoken monologue, with a constantly repeated fingerstyle ragtime guitar (Piedmont style) backing and light brush-on-snare drum percussion (the drummer on the record is uncredited), bookended by a short chorus about the titular diner." Arlo regularly changed the narrative, but it was more-or-less the same story every time. To me, the chorus sounds like an advertising jingle one might hear on a small-town radio station, and it has a very nice touch of familiarity. I can imagine the jingle including an old-style telephone number, KEnwood 2-6868, or the like. And of course, you only have to dial the five digits. -Joe- |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Alternate lyrics to Arlo Guthrie piece From: GMGough Date: 16 Sep 18 - 11:31 AM No idea if this info will remain on the web, but today there are notes (not lyrics) of three performances of Alice's Restaurant at http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=511615 01. Alice's Restaurant-1967-02-27-The Bob Fass Show-New York City (WBAI-FM) (19:12) (complete) 02. Alice's Restaurant Multi-Colored Rainbow Roach Affair-1967-05-xx-The Bob Fass Show-New York City (WBAI-FM) (13:37) 03. Alice's Restaurant Multi-Colored Rainbow Roach Affair-1967-08-06-The Bob Fass Show-New York City (WBAI-FM) (20:34) and notes about 10 more performances at http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=383168 You may have to sign up and stuff to get these links to work for you. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Alternate lyrics to Arlo Guthrie piece From: Mark Ross Date: 16 Sep 18 - 10:45 AM I got to hang out with Arlo in '67 and '68 when he was playing in Greenwich Village. He got tired of doing AR the same way every night, and would occassionaly improvise a new version. The only one I have any recollection of was ALICE'S RESTAURANT PLEASE TIP THE GASLIGHT WAITRESS BLUES, which ended up with, "if you don't tip the waitress, then you are undermining the very foundations of the capitalist system, and nobody here wants to see that happen do they?" Mark Ross |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Alternate lyrics to Arlo Guthrie piece From: gillymor Date: 14 Sep 18 - 07:50 AM "bare" |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Alternate lyrics to Arlo Guthrie piece From: gillymor Date: 14 Sep 18 - 07:48 AM He was great. Robert Johnson's cut "They're Red Hot" (a real departure in style from his other recorded blues) is similar to "Alice" in chord structure and melody though it doesn't contain that piano lick. I think you'll find a number of songs from that era bear a resemblance to "Alice". |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Alternate lyrics to Arlo Guthrie piece From: GUEST,Pseudonymous Date: 14 Sep 18 - 07:33 AM Returning from Spotify: gorrit! The opening is a bit like Blind Blake's Skeedle Loo Doo Blues. That's probably what I was thinking of. Blind Blake could really play the guitar! |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Alternate lyrics to Arlo Guthrie piece From: GUEST,Pseudonymous Date: 14 Sep 18 - 07:25 AM Thanks Gillymor. I was indeed looking for the older version. I'll check out Blind Blake and double check Mudcat. Thanks. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Alternate lyrics to Arlo Guthrie piece From: gillymor Date: 14 Sep 18 - 07:22 AM Arlo got the main lick from some old ragtime blues songs. I seem to remember Blind Blake using it on at least one song. Wouldn't be surprised if there's a previous Mudcat thread dealing with this. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Alternate lyrics to Arlo Guthrie piece From: GUEST,Gerry Date: 14 Sep 18 - 06:56 AM Never occurred to me that anyone but AG would ever record that item, but allmusic notes recordings by Bill Anschell, Hap Palmer, The New Christy Minstrels, and Enoch Light, not to mention an Italian recording as Nel Ristorante Di Alice. |
Subject: Lyr Req: Alternate lyrics to Arlo Guthrie piece From: GUEST,Pseudonymous Date: 14 Sep 18 - 05:54 AM Can anybody help me with alternative lyrics to Alice's Restaurant? I'm sure it was recorded prior to the Guthrie version with different lyrics, but can't lay my hands on them. Thanks. |
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