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Subject: Origins: Spencer Rifle From: Joe Offer Date: 24 Sep 18 - 11:29 PM Can anybody give us additional information about the song "Spencer Rifle"? Cordelia's Dad recorded the song on their album, Spine. LEJ, where did you get your lyrics? From Cordelia's Dad? The lyrics from LEJ match the Cordelia's Dad Website lyrics exactly.
Posted By: Lonesome EJ 04-Apr-02 - 03:33 PM Thread Name: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman) Subject: Lyr Add: SPENCER RIFLE
Vance Randolph compiled a huge amount of folk material he collected throughout the Ozark Mountains. Much of it was recorded and released immediately, but another whole genre of songs and stories were set aside as too off-color for the popular taste. Recently, this off-color material was printed as Unprintable Songs. This book sells for $60, and it isn't currently in my budget, but as a fan of naughty stuff in general, I'm highly interested in the songs. Does anyone have the book? If so, can you post any lyrics from it? I'll post one that I have found below. Here's the Traditional Ballad Index entry on this song: Old Spencer Rifle,TheDESCRIPTION: The singer tells of Johnny's visit, and his "shooting" her with his gun, no less than seven times. John does the mother too and goes off with his gun-barrel bent.AUTHOR: unknown EARLIEST DATE: 1942 (collected by Vance Randolph from Booth Campbell) KEYWORDS: bawdy sex FOUND IN: US(So) REFERENCES (1 citation): Randolph-Legman I, pp. 128-129, "The Old Spencer Rifle" (1 text, 1 tune) Roud #11499 NOTES [190 words]: Annotator Legman in Randolph-Legman I asserts that the melody of this apparently unique ballad is "unmistakably" similar to "Yankee Doodle." In fact, it directly quotes "Cotton-Eyed Joe." - EC The mention of seven shots and the "old Spencer Rifle" would seem to be a reference to the Spencer repeating carbine of the Civil War era. According to Mark M. Boatner III, The Civil War Dictionary, 1959 (there are many editions of this very popular work; mine is a Knopf hardcover), p. 782, "SPENCER REPEATING CARBINE. The first successful breech-loading repeating rifled carbine was patented in 1860 by Christopher M. Spencer of Conn. By 1864 it had become the standard arm of the Federal cavalry and by the fall of that year brigades of infantry began to appear with it.... The carbin was loaded by a tubular magazine that passed through the butt of the stock and held seven copper rimfire 52 caliber cartridges." Although it lacked range and penetrating power, it became famous because it could be "loaded on Sunday and fired all week." Thus the reference would seem to imply that the song originated during or shortly after the Civil War. - RBW Last updated in version 3.3 File: RL128 Go to the Ballad Search form Go to the Ballad Index Instructions The Ballad Index Copyright 2018 by Robert B. Waltz and David G. Engle. |
Subject: RE: Origins: Spencer Rifle From: Joe Offer Date: 24 Sep 18 - 11:42 PM THE OLD SPENCER RIFLE When Johnny come to our house I thought he came to see me, Soon as I found the rascal out, He’d only come to squeeze me. CHORUS Tee eye de ink-tum, tee eye day, Tee eye de ink-tum dandy. Took me ‘round the slender waist An’ on the bed he throwed me, Purtiest thing that I ever saw, He pulled it out an’ showed me. Said it was his little gun, Asked how it would suit me, Shoved it down between my thighs An’ swore by Gosh he’d shoot me! I says, John, your gun’s no good, Or you’re no good at gunnin’ If you cain’t hit a lyin’ mark, What’d you do a-runnin’? Gee, says John, my gun’s all right, I got it from old Spencer, You be still an’ hold the mark An’ I’ll sure knock it center. She lay still an’ held the mark, For him it was no trifle To soon show her what he could do With his old Spencer rifle. Katy was a fair an’ charmin’ maid, She wasn’t more than twenty, Time he’d fired seven rounds He had pork a-plenty. At last the mother found it out, Good order she commanded, John he got in a double charge An’ shot at her off-handed. I’ll bring this little song to a close, I’ll tell you how they parted, John went off with his gun-barrel bent, An’ Kate kicked up an’ farted. Sung by Mr. B. C., Cane Hill, Arkansas, February 5, 1942. He learned this song, in “arms and ordnance” erotic metaphors, from a cattleman near Cane Hill, about 1890. The similarity of the tune to “Yankee Doodle” is unmistakable. In 1:2, “see me” is intended as “please me.” Vance Randolph recorded Mr. C. ‘s song for the Folksong Archive, Library of Congress. Source: Roll Me In Your Arms: 'Unprintable' Ozark Folksongs and Folklore, by Vance Randolph & G. Legman (pp 128-129)[University of Arkansas Press, 1992]
Randolph recorded the song for the Library of Congress but I don't see how to access the recording. |
Subject: RE: Origins: Spencer Rifle From: Bonzo3legs Date: 25 Sep 18 - 03:03 AM Cordelia's Dad - Spencer Rifle! |
Subject: RE: Origins: Spencer Rifle From: Lighter Date: 26 Sep 18 - 09:51 PM The Cordelia tune is a whole lot like Doc Watson's "Katie Morey." So is Booth Campbell's. |
Subject: RE: Origins: Spencer Rifle From: GUEST,Starship Date: 18 Jun 19 - 05:19 PM Are you hooked up to Jstor? If so, you can read the book online. |
Subject: RE: Origins: Spencer Rifle From: GUEST Date: 06 Nov 22 - 10:28 PM Not sure what the etiquette is for bumping old threads, but check these out: https://folklife.uark.edu/webinar-eriksen/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp70DFWPVoI |
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