BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)

Subject: A Simple Question
From: GUEST,Curious
Date: 02 Oct 18 - 06:43 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 12:21 PM

When Bruce finds a topic he disagrees with he squats on a thread and they turn foul. He's been away for a while, perhaps you've forgotten his past behavior. And I'm also entitled to an opinion - he's a troll.

That being said, why is he still allowed to post as there are several folks much less obnoxious, belligerent, combative and libelous who have been summarily banned?

Can't be because Saint Joe Offer is his rabbi and defender, can it??

"Equal Justice Under The Law" seems as tho Mudcat has embraced Kavenaughism, no??

---

"Curious" posted this in the Music section, not being able to post anonymously in the BS section. But it's not a music post, so it's not going to stay there. And by the way, I rarely support the banning of anyone, but I've been overruled a number of times recently.
-Saint/Rabbi Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: j0_77
Date: 01 Oct 18 - 10:50 AM

'The truth shall see us free'

More about her life, #LyingDrFord ...also anti Trump activist..

SOME FUN FACTS: Here's Christine Ford’s timeline: 1982 - Something may or may not have happened with another 2 (or 4) teenagers at a party, she cannot remember who threw the party, where the party was held, who she was with or how she got home. She was drinking and said nothing to anyone. 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 - she said nothing. July 25, 2003: President George W. Bush nominated Kavanaugh to the United States Court of Appeals for the D.C Circuit - she said nothing. 2004, 2005 - she said nothing. May 11, 2006: The United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary recommended confirmation. Kavanaugh subsequently confirmed by the United States Senate - she said nothing. June 1, 2006: Kavanaugh sworn in by Justice Anthony Kennedy - she said nothing. 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 - she said nothing. 2012 She vaguely remembers 'something' may have happened in 1982, yet doesn't name Kavanaugh and still said nothing to authorities. 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 - becomes an anti-trump activist. 2018 - now 36 years later, with Kavanaugh's SCOTUS confirmation looming, she pens an anonymous letter with grave accusations against Kavanaugh regarding foggy circumstance that occurred while they were both minors, then reveals herself and DEMANDS an FBI investigation before testifying to her incredible allegations. Amen.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: gillymor
Date: 01 Oct 18 - 10:32 AM

A lot of Republicans called Dr. Ford's testimony "compelling and credible"(including trump) to the extent that it must have been a talking point prescribed for them by leadership. That being the case why is a perv still being considered for the high court.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: meself
Date: 01 Oct 18 - 10:21 AM

I don't know what would make you think that the 'crack in her voice' was 'rehearsed' - why would it have to be 'rehearsed'? Everything about her testimony seemed honest to just about everybody, even the Fox News commentators ... ?

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Oct 18 - 07:48 AM

From: Donuel - PM
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 06:00 PM

To me she came off as an aw shucks witness with a touch too much of a rehearsed crack in her voice with a compelling eight year story of discovery of how an incident has affected her life. She was her own ideal expert witness and answered every question while pleading for an investigation.

He came off as an over the top interrupting, outraged, entitled, angry accusatory white man who describes himself as an impossibly squeakey clean person. He evaded 90% of the questions by Democrats and mentioned the word 'beers' 32 times. When he cried I was too uncomfortable to watch.

He seems to be the epitome of a spoiled brat obnoxious liar. imho

__________________________
This (day of) first impression post has held up and has been virtually repeated by much of the media. It has taken a very long time for a spun response from the right to have taken shape.

* For those who have chosen to vote - a precaution!
Check to see that you are still registered to vote.
On two election days I found I was was deregisterd by a clever republican trick of not responding to a generated postcard confirming I still live here. It looked like junk mail.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 06:46 PM

You're reading the Russian sites that are meant to deceive. You need to evaluate your sources and avoid the propaganda.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: j0_77
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 05:39 PM

Sorry gillymor for not knowing your website preferences. Perhaps you might add that to your signature?

Mr Leunod,
Now about #LyingDrFord's fear of flying... A YT take on it

LyingDrFord's admission that she is afraid of flying by plane.. YouTube

Too, on the net, her early life difficulty with alcohol and drugs also appearing. I get the impression she got treatment for it, but skeptical that she had 65 male sex partners during the short time before then. Whether it is the promiscuity, or the drugs, which cause the behavior is a moot point. In all probability, like many young female college students, she may have been selling herself to fund her habit, through either the need for the narcotics, or because having gotten herself into the lifestyle, she needs them to deal with the emotional stress. Still we are all glad, I hope, that she recovered enough to complete her studies and get some qualifications in life.

Nor do I want to pursue challenging her Ph.D. as some are now doing. After all she has managed to teach classes for some time without negative result. Yet the FBI really looking deeper into it her college background will be under severe review this time around.

A sad result for both #LyingDrFord and Judge Kavanaugh.

But we have to be aware from the start, #LyingDrFord insisted on a public hearing, not the Democratic Party as some reported. She could have saved us all suffering her narcotic fueled display of nuttiness, and the poor Judge from public humiliation by electing to have the hearing in private. The same being the standard way to do such things.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: gillymor
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 04:17 PM

Once again , if you provide a link please identify in the text the name of the site. I don't want to inadvertently open Breibart again or any other extreme right wing site and provide them with a "hit". Breibart's readership has plummeted in the last year and I don't want to do anything to slow the decline of that den of creeps and weirdos. Better yet I'll just skip over the garbage you're posting, so never mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: j0_77
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 03:47 PM

I am not responsible for your inability to comprehend what you misread when you cannot spell things Leunod ...lol
Now that we are on the topic of #LyingDrFord and teenage shenanigans - BTW which are not a crime in the USA - how about she answers some questions asked by her peer D.C McAllister..
D.C McAllister asks Dr. Ford a few questions...

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: meself
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 03:30 PM

So now it has emerged that trump has given the FBI a list of interviewees that they are limited to ... so, an "investigation", but not really an investigation.

Of course, not surprisingly, trump is tweeting that there is no limit on the FBI investigation ......

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 02:16 PM

If...
I offered a ticket to oj_77 for a flight to DC to be interrogated but someone, don't know who, said 77 doesn't fly. I could then say "Then I might go to 77"

To be fair that does not make oj_77 a liar.

Its the same for Dr. Ford


If you want all your favorite interpreted conservative spins to be true you are not a friend of democracy or the freedom of choice.
Think about how this can end up biting you back over time.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: gillymor
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 12:08 PM

Please give fair warning when you link to Breibart so I'll know not to open it.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: j0_77
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 12:00 PM

Why Dr. Ford fears flying...errr 'on Monday' .... more comedy..

Why Dr. Ford fears flying .... well just this time... lol

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 11:18 AM

As TuckerCarlson claims Brett is a FOLK HERO to millions.
Must Mudcat now bow to the all white hero of the ages?
I suppose we do when it comes to his rulings.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 11:08 AM

rather
FOX news is now hailing Brett as a HERO
A good ol boy HERO.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 11:07 AM

It only took 3 days but FOX news is now hailed as a HERO.
A good ol boy hero.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: j0_77
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 10:49 AM

Repost of link to #LyingDrFord on Twitter...


#LyingDrFord

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: j0_77
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 10:47 AM

If you want a good laugh, SNL ...
but the other side of it, equally as funny, and in this case absolutely accurate..sniveling grovelling faking fraud #LyingDrFord on Twitter...

https://twitter.com/hashtag/LyingDrFord?src=hash

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 08:14 AM

Heer is the SNL Spin on Beer

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 07:49 AM

The 11th hour comment is hereby corrected to 'before' federal judge Kavanaugh was nominated, Ford informed her duly elected Senator of Brett's behavior.


What makes this Brett guy so magnificent that there is no plan B??

answer: he is the only judge to say "A President is immune to prosecution and is above the law.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 01:49 AM

Trump is a proven liar, narcissist and meglomaniac. Anyone who receives his support is likely to be suspect.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 01:32 AM

If you only watched that stupid clip you linked to, Jos, no wonder you don't have a clue about what was going on. And why would you take the word of an attorney on the other side of the planet from these proceedings?

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: mg
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 01:17 AM

there is groping and there is strangling. or both. this is not a case of two high school sweethearts getting carried away.

i am inclined to believe the blackout theory, or the narcissistic liar theory...i said it did not happen so therefore it did not happen, said with true sincerity and belief.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: meself
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 01:05 AM

Well, if Albert Judah Lawyer says it, that settles it for me!

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: j0_77
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 12:50 AM

Albert Judah Lawyer, Sydney, Australia.
"
1.        She went to the Senate instead of police
2.        in the 11th hour of a Judges nomination
3.        with accusations of sexual “groping”
4.        that later became: “Attempted Rape”
5.        that later became: “I thought he might Kill me”
6.        first 2, then 5, then 4 men…
7.        then she knew only one name: Kavanaugh
8.        Then she had a witness: who knew nothing of the party
9.        then she had a second witness: who didn’t see Kavanaugh there.
10.        65 women who have known every facet of Brett Kavanaugh’s life, family, employment, and social life submitted letters supporting the Judge.
11.        65 letter of support for the Judge became 75 letters.
12.        a 2nd and 3rd accuser came forward, both refused to testify “Under Penalty of Perjury”
13.        To date: The year: is unknown. The Place, Time, Actual number of Attendees ( four or five ) Details of the event ( even by the accuser ) are Unknown. There are zero witnesses, no police report, and the alleged case is 36 years old.
14.        Initially she said she was 15 and Kavanaugh was 17. Upon learning that the FBI did not investigate incidents of teenage groping, under 18 years of age …she now says he was definitely…18.
"
Makes me wonder whether this woman is lying or a nutcase...Whichever, Brett Kavanuagh isn't her abuser, maybe she obsessed about him half her life? or something like that. Certainly fits in with the weirdness of California....

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: j0_77
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 12:12 AM

Oh well but here is a video of Dr Ford's testimony..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGxr1VQ2dPI

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: olddude
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 10:24 PM

I like how he blamed the clintons. Last i talked Hillary was doing grandbaby duty along with her charity . They would blame Vietnam on her and bill and trump would say it’s true

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: robomatic
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 09:23 PM

As I'm typing this, I'm listening to a very good NPR show ("On The Media") re-hashing the sensational testimony of Thursday, and I'm reacting against Judge Kavanaugh's whiny yet aggressive tone even more. I am a bit surprised at my own emotions which have only grown since I watched. So, that is a warning and I'm going to take a break from the proceedings, because I'm not good when I'm self righteous. See y'all in a few days. Maybe.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: meself
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 06:47 PM

That first article SRS linked to is about alcoholic blackouts - and Kavanaugh - well worth reading, for anyone interested in either subject.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 05:56 PM

It's in the NY Post so until it comes up in a non-yellow journal, here are the allegations:

Third Kavanaugh accuser is decorated US government employee.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 05:53 PM

Kavanaugh and the Blackout Theory

. . . . In the days leading up to the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on the Supreme Court nomination of Brett Kavanaugh, a theory arose that he might have drunk so much as a teenager that he did not remember his alleged misdeeds. The blackout theory was a way to reconcile two competing narratives. It meant that Christine Blasey Ford was telling the truth but so was Brett Kavanaugh. He simply did not remember what happened that night and therefore believed himself falsely accused. Several questions at the hearing were designed to get at this theory, but it gained little ground.

I want to be clear, up front, that I cannot know whether Judge Kavanaugh experienced a blackout. But what I do know is that blackouts are both common and tragically misunderstood.

Before the prosecutor Rachel Mitchell was mysteriously dispatched, she was aiming toward the above line of inquiry.

“Have you ever passed out from drinking?” she asked.

Kavanaugh’s answer was dismissive but slightly confusing: “I’ve gone to sleep, but I’ve never blacked out. That’s the allegation? That’s wrong.”

A few clarifications. First, I dare you to find the heavy drinker who hasn’t passed out from too much booze. To say you were just sleeping is like my dad saying he’s resting his eyes when he’s napping. It’s a semantic dodge. . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: gillymor
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 03:56 PM

The FBI will be talking to Kavanaugh's high school friends, I wonder how they'll define that term.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 03:48 PM

Good catch Sage

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 12:22 PM

Kavanaugh lied.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 12:21 PM

When Bruce finds a topic he disagrees with he squats on a thread and they turn foul. He's been away for a while, perhaps you've forgotten his past behavior. And I'm also entitled to an opinion - he's a troll.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: meself
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 12:14 PM

He also revealed that he is a conspiracy nut - just a step or two from Alex Jones.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 11:49 AM

He's also a faker. He faked outrage, he faked 'crying'. He's a lousy actor. Fake, fake, fake, and as guilty as hell.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 11:32 AM

White male priviledge and entitlment was on display for all to see. Brett says he did it all on his own. His dad was a lobbiest and mom was a judge. Brett went to the the top prepschool in town. Getting to Yale was a well practiced exercise, On his own?

The rage was ordered by Trump but the form it took exposed a partisan hatred never seen by a modern judge.

If you had not seen it with your own eyes I suppose one can be a Brett apologist. He has his freedom and a great job he will not lose but he does not have a right to a promotion. He does not preach sexism or other despicable things. But he is a good ol boy.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: robomatic
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 11:01 AM

Bruce is simply quoting some of the nicer stuff the pro-Kavana-ugh (good one, Backwoodsman) side has to offer. Last night I was tuned -briefly- to the channel that carries Alix J0nes, and they had 'discovered' that Dr. Ford and her family have CIA links and now for them it's all a big DeepStateCIA plot to dethrone Jesus.

The problem with Jones is that no matter what he says about anything, after he's done talking you know less than you knew when he started.

By contrast, BB's posts add some balance of the good kind to the ceremonies in this thread, otherwise it's just a pile of rants.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 10:20 AM

Bruce is brave and kind enough to allow us to listen to the alternate way the Trump public is thinking. There is much to learn although there is no chance of changing his mind. Many may think he is wrong but the left is viewed as wrong by the right for the exact same reason. Very few know that they are wrong and are simply using tactics for personal power like Lindsey Graham who knows a lot about backdoor politics.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 10:03 AM

Kavan-UGH. :-(

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: gillymor
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 07:39 AM

He got prepped at the White House for Thursday's hearing so I suppose it's not surprising that he came off like a mini-trump.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: gillymor
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 07:33 AM

One thing I took away from Kavanaugh's bitter, undignified performance in front of the committee was the perception that he could have been the kind of creep that preys upon young girls.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 04:06 AM

By the way bruce is a very good person.
Depends where you're standing when he hurls his abuse - some of us don't take well to being called "jew hater" as regularly as he chooses to use the term
He certainly chooses some evil bedfellows to sleep with
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: olddude
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 12:49 AM

By the way bruce is a very good person. I don’t agree with the politics but it is America and he has the right to a different view

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: robomatic
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 12:48 AM

We're actually doing just fine SRS without you going all ad hominem on the man. Why don't you let people have their say and chime in when the personal nastiness sets in, you apparently want to get started on that your own self.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: olddude
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 12:47 AM

Bruce is allowed his opinion. If he is harassed then we are no better than trump. Right now I can’t see any other woman reporting such terrible events anymore to the Washington political machine. Two times now they been dismissed as some made up fantasy or oh well boys will be boys. As a dad with three beautiful daughters, they would never have told me as they knew my skills would have been put to use on the guy. I suspect her dad would have also so she kept quiet

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 11:45 PM

Who believes what BeardedBruce and his hokey sources say? Move along with the conversation and ignore the GOP apologist.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: robomatic
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 11:06 PM

Utterly fascinating. A textbook case of U.S. power politics right in front of us.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 08:08 PM

Thats very white of them. Before Mothers and daughters are brought under their yolk of authority over their bodies they are kind enough to toss a bone.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: gillymor
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 06:26 PM

Yeah, Trump orders an investigation that he tried to prevent only because he didn't have the votes to confirm.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: olddude
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 05:53 PM

Apparently if one wants to achieve the highest offices in the land, being a sexual predator is required. We let down Anita hill now we do the same to ford. History always repeats itself

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 05:46 PM

"GoFundMe campaigns supporting Christine Blasey Ford, a college professor who accuses Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault while they were in high school, have raised more than $700,000 on her behalf."

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 05:27 PM

Sorry:

"Kavanaugh said in a statement Friday evening, "Throughout this process, I've been interviewed by the FBI, I've done a number of 'background' calls directly with the Senate, and yesterday, I answered questions under oath about every topic the Senators and their counsel asked me. I've done everything they have requested and will continue to cooperate."

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 05:26 PM

"WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump on Friday ordered the FBI to conduct an additional background investigation of Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, who faces several sexual misconduct allegations.

"I've ordered the FBI to conduct a supplemental investigation to update Judge Kavanaugh's file," Trump tweeted. "As the Senate has requested, this update must be limited in scope and completed in less than one week."

.....

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump on Friday ordered the FBI to conduct an additional background investigation of Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, who faces several sexual misconduct allegations.



"I've ordered the FBI to conduct a supplemental investigation to update Judge Kavanaugh's file," Trump tweeted. "As the Senate has requested, this update must be limited in scope and completed in less than one week."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-orders-fbi-to-investigate-kavanaugh-amid-sexual-misconduct-allegations/ar-BBNFjrG?ocid=ientp

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 05:03 PM

"WASHINGTON — Senate Republican leaders, bowing to a last-minute demand from Senator Jeff Flake of Arizona, will delay by as much as one week a vote on whether to confirm Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court, to allow time for an F.B.I. investigation into accusations of sexual assault against the nominee.----

The decision, made in a hurried closed-door meeting between Republicans on the Judiciary Committee and Senator Mitch McConnell, the Republican leader, came after a dramatic reversal by Mr. Flake, who announced he would not support final confirmation until the F.B.I. investigates the allegations. With that stipulation, the Judiciary Committee then voted along party lines to advance Judge Kavanaugh’s nomination to the Senate."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/senate-republicans-agree-to-one-week-delay-in-final-kavanaugh-vote/ar-BBNEWTG?ocid=ientp

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 04:50 PM

"Kavanaugh vehemently denied the allegation yet again Thursday, and said he was open to “any kind” of investigation.

“I know any kind of investigation — Senate, FBI, Montgomery County Police — will clear me,” Kavanaugh said Thursday. “I will do whatever the committee wants to do because I am telling the truth ... I am innocent of the charge.”

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: robomatic
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 03:52 PM

Chairman Grassly twice quoted Joe Biden regarding the uselessness of an FBI report. Another Republican quoted it a third time. I don't know the context of Joe Biden's quote (supposedly from the Clarence Thomas hearings), but the plain common sense is simple. The FBI can interrogate persons about the events of circa 1982 as testified to by Dr. Ford and Judge Kavanaugh. They can assemble documentary evidence that either supports yesterday's testimony or exposes untruths. An FBI report, with skill and luck, can make a big difference.


Meanwhile, I can't help but observe how the Trump phenomenon has lowered the bar of behavior and standards of discourse for us all. Standards of society have already taken a hit.


A Luta Continua.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: robomatic
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 03:17 PM

One part of the testimony that I already wrote I found believable and I will go farther and say 'honest' was when Dr. Ford said she was weighing the balance of testifying versus the personal cost to her based on how effective it would be. If the selection was a 'done deal' why bother? If she was going up against a 'stone' wall of unbelief or obstruction, why bother? It is reasonable that she is not alone with these considerations. The fears that stifle free expression in our supposed 'free' society are different than those in other countries that we think we are 'superior' to, but the result is no less injurious.

So I think it does some credit to many of the Republicans that they have proven themselves open to hearing out these issues so publicly. Our society is not finished (yet).

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: gillymor
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 03:04 PM

"They need a one month delay till after the election when they expect to increase their numbers to a majority in the Senate."

One month? That's peanuts compared to the 293 days they held up the Merrick Garland nomination until it expired at the end of the congressional session. He never even got a hearing.
To paraphrase Nixon, "The American people need to know that their Supreme Court Justices are not rapists" and if that takes a week, or a month, so what.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: meself
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 02:41 PM

"They need a one month delay till after the election when they expect to increase their numbers to a majority in the Senate."

Yes, we wouldn't want to give the people a chance to express their will, would we? Sounds suspiciously like democracy, doesn't it?

"Sad day when Democratic ambition", etc.

You see, with the Republicans, it's all about care and compassion and what's best for everybody - with the Dems, it's all ambition ... yup ....

Thanks, Sen. Flake. Let's hope there IS an FBI investigation. No matter what it finds, Kavanaugh has demonstrated that he is utterly unfit for the Supreme Court - but if we find that he has no history of sexual violence, that's so much.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: robomatic
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 02:33 PM

I just came upon this passage in Bob Woodward's latest book, "Fear":

"Trump gave some private advice to a friend who had acknowledged some bad behavior toward women. Real power is fear. It’s all about strength. Never show weakness. You’ve always got to be strong. Don’t be bullied. There is no choice.
“You’ve got to deny, deny, deny and push back on these women,” he said. “If you admit to anything and any culpability, then you’re dead. That was a big mistake you made. You didn’t come out guns blazing and just challenge them. You showed weakness. You’ve got to be strong. You’ve got to be aggressive. You’ve got to push back hard. You’ve got to deny anything that’s said about you. Never admit.”

I watched the hearings yesterday with fascination. I found Dr. Ford to be credible. Nevertheless, the Republicans have points of reasonable doubt that can be used both rationally and politically. And they did both.

Particularly effective was Lindsay Graham's passionate and precisely timed rant which transformed a superficially secular investigation into events and probabilities into a purely partisan face-off.

And I found Judge Kavanaugh to be more Nixonian, making emotional appeals from someone who was not known for displaying such, reminiscent of the 'Checkers' speech.

Where my continuity of belief just broke was the reference in high school yearbook of "Renate Alumnus". I find it credible that this was a crude in-joke of a sexual nature. I don't believe it was a reference to just good friends.

I sure hope the FBI gets a crack at this. They should check out the Judge's words of self-defence. Every one of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: gillymor
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 02:17 PM

Your concern for Dr. Ford is really touching.

Now, if the FBI finds all these allegations unfounded Kavanaugh can move forward with a clean slate and the American people can at least be assured that the Senate hasn't placed a sexual predator on the SCOTUS, that is, assuming the Republicans don't disregard proof of criminal behavior and vote him in anyway. As it says on the masthead of the Washington Post- "Democracy Dies in Darkness".

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: j0_77
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 02:08 PM

Democrats secure a week delay.

They need a one month delay till after the election when they expect to increase their numbers to a majority in the Senate.

Sad day when Democratic ambition trumps the welfare of Judge Kavanaugh, and medical help for Dr. Ford.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 01:19 PM

"Dear Chairman Grassley and Ranking Member Feinstein:

As I state in my attorney [sic], Barbara Ven Gelder’s September 18, 2018, letter, I did not ask to be involved in this matter nor did anyone ask me to be involved. We have told the Committee that I do not want to comment about these events publicly. As a recovering alcoholic and a cancer survivor, I have struggled with depression and anxiety. As a result, I avoid public speaking.

Brett Kavanaugh and I were friends in high school, but we have not spoken directly in several years. I do not recall the events described by Dr. Ford in her testimony before the US Senate Judiciary Committee today. I never saw Brett act in the manner Dr. Ford describes.

I am knowingly submitting this letter under penalty of felony.

Sincerely yours,

Mark Judge

Witnessed By:

Barbara Ven Gelder, counsel for Mark Judge
"
a href="http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/brett-kavanaugh%e2%80%99s-friend-mark-judge-speaks-out-after-christine-blasey-ford%e2%80%">http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/brett-kavanaugh%e2%80%99s-friend-mark-judge-speaks-out-after-christine-blasey-ford%e2%80%

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: gillymor
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 01:17 PM

Kavanaugh came across like a bitter, truculent misanthrope. He didn't look like the kind of thoughtful, patient judicial scholar that you'd hope would sit on the highest court in the land.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 01:13 PM

"Kavanaugh had been stilted and overly programmed prior to Thursday, including in his initial round of Senate hearings and in an interview with Fox News earlier in the week. But, after days of enduring a process of unprecedented nastiness, Kavanaugh didn’t hold anything back.

In his opening statement, he was personal about the devastating effects of the charges levied against him, both on his reputation and on his family. He was excoriating about how Ford’s allegation was handled by Senate Democrats, who sat on it until the last moment. He scorned the ridiculous charges that have been layered on since, including that he was party to gang rapes. He invoked all he had invested in public service and in his friendships over the years. He expressed regret, as he should, over juvenile references in his high-school yearbook. He acknowledged enjoying beer, as a teenager and still as an adult. And he was angry, very angry, at the Democrats who have attacked his integrity and welcomed any bottom-feeding allegation, including a grotesque smear dredged up publicity-hungry lawyer Michael Avenatti.

His face was distorted in fury, he had trouble composing himself, and at times he wept. This was an incredibly raw performance by the standards of Washington and especially by the standards of Senate confirmation hearings.

Immediately, the same opponents of Kavanaugh who have been portraying him as a monster took great umbrage that he’d be angry at being portrayed as a monster. Look, they said, he lacks a judicial temperament!

But how is a person who maintains his innocence supposed to react when a political party will credit any allegation against him, when swathes of the media presume his guilt, when every aspect of his teenage years — including notations in his yearbook — are used against him, when all the testimonials in his favor and his decades of spotless public service mean nothing?

Kavanaugh’s anger over these kinds of attacks says nothing about his jurisprudence. His extensive opinions as a D.C. Circuit Court judge are all carefully reasoned and written. His opinions on the Supreme Court, should he make it there, will no doubt be the same. Hearing a case or writing an opinion isn’t the same as defending your integrity in a high-stakes political showdown.

The most difficult challenge Kavanaugh had was pushing back on Christine Blasey Ford’s allegation that he sexually assaulted her in high school, without seeming harsh or dismissive. He didn’t contest that she was assaulted and expressed sympathy for her — in fact, in an emotional moment, he related how his daughter suggested praying for her. But he persuasively made the case that there isn’t evidence of her contention that he was the perpetrator. The four people Ford has named as being present at the party in question say they don’t recall it, and Kavanaugh’s calendar that served as something of a journal suggests he was often out of town or otherwise accounted for on summer weekends in 1982, the year of the alleged incident.

Brett Kavanaugh, like all Supreme Court nominees, has carefully calculated his way through his public career. But if he gets on the Court, it will be because he abandoned the usual constraints and showed the nation a powerfully human reaction to the attacks on him. His opening statement may well end up changing the course of the Supreme Court, and of our politics."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/brett-kavanaugh-should-be-angry/ar-BBNDGgT?ocid=ientp

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 01:12 PM

Dear Women, you have not officially lost until Tuesday.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 12:52 PM

The covetted brass ring of Conservatives has been to end Social Security.
A Supreme Court can enable this at long last.

Big Money will own predictable Supream Court votes with impunity.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 12:50 PM

'Crying' without tears is faked.
Bad acting - Kavanaugh wouldntbget a job sweeping the stage for the High School play.
Angry, aggressive attitude - methinks he doth protest too much.

In the words of Stephen King, "I believe the woman".

The usual disclaimers apply......IMHO, YMMV etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: j0_77
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 12:25 PM

1.
DJT is not Judge Kavanaugh. The idea that there is any similarity between is a great piece of comedy. Sorry I don't think DJTs acts have any bearing on the innocence of the Judge.
2.
As pointed out in separate Committee meetings, by Joe Biden in the Anita Hill fiasco, and by the current chair in this one, FBI investigation is useless because it can only offer statements of the actors to the court of adjudication, and, as is repeated in both hearings, the relevant participants are there in person under oath to provide them. Why bother with wasting FBI resources? Except that somebody wants to delay the vote?
3.
Mark Judge. He, a recovering alcoholic, so the media reports, denies Dr Ford's claim. As well, he took his right to not participate any further in the matter, protected by our US laws. Be aware that any Lawyer would make hay with him in a Subpoena / witness stand, IOW he would not be much use to either side.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 12:21 PM

America GET READY FOR MORE FIRSTS and revisited past

Abortion not only will be banned but it will be criminalized for the mother and practitioner.

We have the possibility of the first sitting SPJ that is disbarred.

Unions will finally be illegal

Money for elections may be from foreign sources legally

Multi National Corporations may be tax free AND immune from US law.

Who will be 3/5 Human?

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: meself
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 11:37 AM

OKay, j77whatever - obviously, there is a lot of disagreement - so why not let the FBI investigate and clear it up? Why not hear from Mark Judge? I think we know why not, don't we?

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 10:53 AM

The outcome of the enquiry into this man's behaviour remains to be seen but it is hard not to notice the energy Trump is putting into displaying his innocence before anything has been proved
Trump is surrounding himself with nodding dogs and if he succeeds you can kiss goodbye to any form of honesty and justice in the future
If things continue as they are we are going to be deafened by the sound of stable doors banging and horses bolting
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: j0_77
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 10:47 AM

The proof of the pudding ...

This morning the vote is being considered, by evening results.

My thoughts on this come from reading a lot of informed comment on Twitter. The ones that gave me pause are professional actresses and experts on testimony. In effect I came to the conclusion that Dr. Ford is coached, and that if she was really assaulted it had to have been by some other individual not the accused.

Too, I almost cheered for Senator Lindsey Graham's nailing the Democrats to the wall for what has been done to Judge Kavanaugh. After all is said and done, he is still just a father and husband with a wife and two children.

It has been noted in Committee that none of this need ever have been in the public venue, and, by rights, belonged in a bi-partisan procedure. But they report that the Democrats insisted on the public humiliation of Judge Kavanaugh as some sort of 'get even' with the Republicans for what happened to Bill Clinton all those years ago.

So I do not now believe that Judge Kavanaugh is a pervert, a serial rapist, a sexual offender. Because, all Dr. Fords own witnesses deny what she claimed about the Judge, and his biography of relations with females is sqeeky clean.

Judge Kavanaugh never assaulted Dr Ford, in fact he appears not to even know this woman, who IMHO is deranged.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: gillymor
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 10:20 AM

Jim, I, for one, don't wish to converse at the level of Trump. While I'm ideologically opposed to Kavanaugh in just about every way I can think of, my only concern is for a fair evaluation of the candidate. No disrespect to Donuel but the title he's chosen has a "give him a fair trial and then hang him" mentality to it. Let's get these allegations investigated. What's a few days spent interviewing Mark Judge and others by the FBI compared to the possibility of giving a sex offender (some would argue another sex offender) a LIFETIME appointment to the SCOTUS.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 09:23 AM

"Does anyone else find the title of this thread inappropriate? At this time, anyway."
If Trump can persist with his praising of this man - why not
"Why should the Devil have all the good tunes?"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 09:08 AM

I had never heard of Kamala Harris before, but she was pretty impressive in that hearing. Is she a serious candidate for the presidential nomination?

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 08:57 AM

I have never been a fan of good ol boys but I acknowledge their existance.
Repubicans are better at being good ol boys.

REPUBLICANS are better at yelling
REPUBLICANS are better at lieing
REPUBLICANS are better at making thier own facts
REPUBLICANS are better at being staunch
REPUBLICANS are better at ignoring evil
conversely
DEMOCRATS are not better at yelling...etc.

Our Institutions and processes are only as effective as the dignity of their individual members.
If there is one thing Obama showed us, it was that.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: wysiwyg
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 08:05 AM

Gillymor, YES, and I'd like the men to STFU for a bit in it.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: gillymor
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 06:32 AM

I hope that everyone who is concerned that Kavanaugh is not being properly vetted in light of these allegations is letting their Senator and other Senators know. No Republican has given one good reason why the FBI is not investigating.
Does anyone else find the title of this thread inappropriate? At this time, anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 06:20 AM

No one is going to be prosecuted. The demonstration of having no Judicial Temperment by Brett is enough to disqualify him. The Republicans are now one vote away from 'Losing Kavnaugh'.

Chances are the repubs will win thier pick and the country and Kavanaugh are the real losers.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 05:59 AM

It seems to me the most serious aspect of this is the fact that it is taking place under a President who is a notorious misogynist who has advocated that men behave towards women how they wish because 'that's what they really want'
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 04:29 AM

Bruce, I looked up this Broaddrick thing. The alleged Bill Clinton rape happened in 1978. If she can press charges and get somebody to prosecute Clinton, more power to her. But he's not running for president or nominated for the Supreme Court, so the case is more-or-less irrelevant unless it can be prosecuted.

In case you didn't notice, Brett Kavanaugh is a nominee for a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court, so the sexual misconduct charges against him are indeed relevant - although it's very unlikely that Kavanaugh will be prosecuted for them.

Yes, both Clinton and Kavanaugh appear to have committed shameful sexual crimes, but you seem to be confusing criminal prosecution with confirmation to the Supreme Court. In the Kavanaugh case, it's not a matter of "beyond a reasonable doubt." If a majority of senators vote against him, he doesn't get the job. There's no due process, and there shouldn't be.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 01:59 AM

American Bar Association: Delay Kavanaugh until FBI investigates assault allegations

The American Bar Association is calling on the Senate Judiciary Committee to halt the consideration of President Donald Trump's Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh until an FBI investigation is completed into the sexual assault allegations that have roiled his nomination.

In a strongly worded letter obtained by CNN Thursday, the organization said it is making the extraordinary request "because of the ABA's respect for the rule of law and due process under law," siding with concerns voiced by Senate Democrats since Christine Blasey Ford's decades-old allegations became public. . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: olddude
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 12:55 AM

He should be and Kavanaugh should welcome it as it would validate him. Instead the guy is in hiding why

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: meself
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 11:18 PM

Why hasn't Mark Judge been subpoenaed?

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 11:14 PM

j0_77,

Sorry, but that was already looked at and no corroborating evidence was found- Seems like evidence IS required if it goes against what the Liberals want to hear.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 11:12 PM

So, Donuel,

You require him to prove his innocence, not for Ford to prove him guilty.


So if I were to accuse you of something vile, you would agree you must prove me wrong, and I do not need to prove you guilty?

Or do you set yourself above the law that you apply to Kavanaugh?


"Literally anyone can make an accusation -- especially an accusation about something that happened 36 years ago. And it's especially hard for someone accused of something from so long ago to mount a defense or provide an alibi.

Also, if she has a false memory of something that happened so long ago, or even a partially false memory, she would not be the first.

These are all reasons why corroboration is especially important in this case. And here's another: This isn't just about the "privilege," as Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., put it, of sitting on the court. This is now about Kavanaugh's entire life and good name, as well as that of his family. If he isn't confirmed, it's over for him. By springing these accusations on him at the last minute, Democrats have backed him into a corner. He will be disgraced and ruined if he isn't confirmed.

Ford's story, taken in isolation, sounds like a plausible account of something that might have happened. What it needs to become accepted fact is corroboration. And no one, including the people Ford has named as witnesses, remembers a party or gathering like the one she describes. She doesn't remember the month or day of the incident. She doesn't remember how she got back to her home -- not a small issue in pre-Uber suburban Montgomery County for someone who lacks a driver's license. The original therapists' notes about the event described an attack by four men and not two.

In similar fashion, no one can confirm Deborah Ramirez's account of Kavanaugh exposing himself to her at Yale, even though several people would have had to see that happen by her own account.

And that's also worth pointing out specifically: It's not just the "in private" part of these allegations that no one corroborates -- it's also the "in public" part.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/christine-ford-is-a-sympathetic-witness-but-that-cant-overcome-the-lack-of-corroboration-t

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: j0_77
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 11:10 PM

Somebody is going to be eating their hat!

Two men have now come forwards to admit it was they who assaulted Dr Ford ...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/brett-kavanaugh-faces-sexual-misconduct-112945406.html

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 11:06 PM

Grassley's ass is grass. Until he calls the FBI meself.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 11:00 PM

The transcript stands on its own but I fear you believe that it is your patriotic duty to ignore it.

The most constructive awareness is that Brett did not listen to Ford's testimony. As a result Brett was unaware of Two incontravertible facts that he erroneously went on to base his defense on those Two disproven facts. Yikes!

For people who weigh evidence, Brett was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt from that moment on.

I don't want to embarrass anyone who missed this crucial fact.
But I will elucidate further if need be.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: meself
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 10:57 PM

I'll believe Kavanaugh if there's an FBI investigation, and it produces no evidence to support the accusations against him. I'm afraid I don't have much faith in an 'investigation' conducted by Grassley's staff. Who would?

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 10:42 PM

BTW, you mentioned facts. Since we have Ford's statement as to what happened, maybe we should look at Broadrick's, and see just what Feinstein, Schumer, and Durban didn't think needed to be investigated:

Broaddrick says the two spoke briefly in her room, with Clinton describing plans to renovate a prison visible from her window if he became governor. Then, according to Broaddrick, Clinton suddenly kissed her. Broaddrick says she pushed Clinton away and told him she was married and not interested, but he persisted. As recounted in the NBC interview:


Then he tries to kiss me again. And the second time he tries to kiss me he starts biting my lip … He starts to, um, bite on my top lip and I tried to pull away from him. And then he forces me down on the bed. And I just was very frightened, and I tried to get away from him and I told him 'No,' that I didn't want this to happen but he wouldn't listen to me. … It was a real panicky, panicky situation. I was even to the point where I was getting very noisy, you know, yelling to 'Please stop.' And that's when he pressed down on my right shoulder and he would bite my lip. … When everything was over with, he got up and straightened himself, and I was crying at the moment and he walks to the door, and calmly puts on his sunglasses. And before he goes out the door he says 'You better get some ice on that.' And he turned and went out the door.

When asked if there was any way Clinton could have thought it was consensual, Broaddrick said "No, not with what I told him and with how I tried to push him away. It was not consensual."

Broaddrick shared the hotel room with her friend and employee Norma Rogers. Rogers attended a conference seminar that morning, and says she returned to their room to find Broaddrick on the bed "in a state of shock," her pantyhose torn in the crotch and her lip swollen as though she had been hit. Rogers says Broaddrick told her Clinton had "forced himself on her." Rogers helped Broaddrick ice her lip, and then the women left Little Rock. Rogers said that Broaddrick was very upset on the way home and blamed herself for letting Clinton in the room. Broaddrick says she did not tell her husband, Gary Hickey, about the incident, and told him she accidentally injured her lip. He told NBC he did not remember the injury or her explanation. David Broaddrick, however, has said he noticed her injured lip, and she told him that Clinton had raped her when he asked about it. Three other friends confirmed that Broaddrick had told them about the incident at the time: Susan Lewis, Louis Ma, and Jean Darden, Norma Rogers' sister. Broaddrick did not recall the date of the alleged incident, but said it was spring of 1978 and that she had stayed in the Camelot Hotel. Records show Broaddrick attended a nursing home meeting at the Camelot Hotel in Little Rock on April 25, 1978. The Clinton White House would not respond to requests for Clinton's official schedule for the date, but news reports suggest that he was in Little Rock that day, with no official commitments in the morning.

Three weeks after the alleged assault, Broaddrick participated in a small Clinton fundraiser at the home of a local dentist. Broaddrick said she was "in denial" and felt guilty, thinking that she had given Clinton the wrong idea by letting him into her room.[3] When she arrived at the event, she says, her friend who had picked the Clintons up from the airport told her that Hillary Clinton had asked if she would be at the event. Broaddrick says Bill Clinton did not speak to her at the event, but Hillary Clinton approached her, took her hand, and said "I just want you to know how much Bill and I appreciate what you do for him." When Broaddrick moved her hand away, she says, Hillary Clinton held on to her and said, "Do you understand? Everything that you do." Broaddrick says she felt nauseated and left the gathering. Broaddrick says she interpreted the incident as Hillary Clinton thanking her for keeping quiet.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 10:35 PM

You mean like they did with Hillary?


Why do you want reasonable things ONLY when it affects Conservatives? Don't you want even the Liberals elected to be decent human beings?

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 10:29 PM

Bruce, you seem to forget that Clinton was impeached. He wasn't convicted, but he WAS impeached. Should he have been impeached time and time again? Not likely. The opposing forces gave it their best shot, and lost.
Once an official is nominated and confirmed, or elected, it's intentionally difficult hard to remove that person from office - that's to ensure stability of government. That's why it's important for candidates with problems to be vetted out before they take office.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 10:24 PM

If there is evidence, please show me.

So far, we have 5 people who say it did not happen, and one who says all 5 were there and it did happen. You believe the Liberal trying to keep Kavanaugh off the SC and has gotten almost $600,000 so far for her testimony: I believe the preponderance of testimony/statements that it is not true as stated.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 10:20 PM

So you can ignore the charges with impunity too.




The biggest irony is that Kavanaugh was actually on Ken Starr's group and was the author of the most graphic sexual questions for Bill Clinton , some of which can not be uttered on TV.

No wonder Brett imagines retribution.

Ain't life wierd?

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 09:47 PM

WashPo:

"He ticked off his committee’s failed attempts to corroborate Ford’s allegation. He listed four people the panel interviewed who were alleged to be at the party and said: “All, under penalty of felony, denied the events described.”

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 09:30 PM

Worth reading, regardless of the source...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/in-fight-of-his-political-life-brett-kavanaugh-goes-off-script-and-gets-emotional/ar-BBND


Joe, Allegation by Broadrick: That Clinton had committed rape while Ark. At. Gen.
Action against Clinton: deposed by the independent counsel, Ken Starr’s group
what did Feinstein, Schumer, and Durban say and do: Support Clinton and not even read the deposition. In other words, these so-called defenders of women's rights ignored a case of rape for political reasons.


"Despite Broaddrick's denial in her affidavit, Jones' lawyers included Yoakum's letter and Broaddrick's name in a 1998 filing.[20] The letter suggested that the Clintons had bought Broaddrick's silence, describing a phone call where Broaddrick's husband asked Yoakum to say the incident never happened and said that he intended to ask Clinton "for a couple of big favors."[22] This, along with the discrepancy between the letter and Broaddrick's affidavit, attracted the attention of independent counsel Kenneth Starr, who was investigating Clinton for obstruction of justice After being approached by the FBI, Broaddrick consulted her son, a lawyer, who told her she could not lie to federal investigators.[12] After Starr granted her immunity,[23] thus assuring that she would not be prosecuted for perjury regarding her affidavit in the Jones case, Broaddrick recanted the affidavit. However, she insisted that Clinton had not pressured or bribed her in any way, and so Starr concluded that the story was not relevant to his investigation and his report only mentioned the recanting in a footnote.[1]

1999[edit]

Rumors continued to circulate in tabloids and on talk radio, now with Broaddrick's name attached.[20] Broaddrick was upset by a tabloid report that she had been paid to keep quiet, and decided to agree to an interview with NBC's Lisa Myers. Myers interviewed her on January 20, 1999, the day after Clinton was impeached. The interview only aired on February 24, 1999, 35 days later and after Clinton had been acquitted on February 12. NBC was accused of intentionally sitting on the story and invoking unusually demanding standards of corroboration until the impeachment process ended. Broaddrick and another source said NBC gathered the key corroborating evidence within 10 days of the interview, NBC assistant producer Chris Giglio said it may have taken him 14 days—in either case, while the impeachment process was ongoing.[20] Though the story was unaired, at least one Republican senator reportedly invoked it to convince undecided Republicans to vote for impeachment.[12]

While NBC waited to air the interview, Broaddrick was approached by Dorothy Rabinowitz, who wrote for the Wall Street Journal editorial page. Upset with NBC's delay, Broaddrick agreed to speak with Rabinowitz, and the story debuted on the Wall Street Journal's editorial page on February 19.[24] NBC aired Myers' interview soon after.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 09:15 PM

OK, Bruce, time for the facts. What were the allegations, and what was the proposed action against Clinton, and what did Feinstein, Schumer, and Durban say and do?
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 09:13 PM

After Bret's performance today he may still be a valuable martyr for the right. But that's about it.
Face it, EVEN IF there is a vast left wing conspiracy, the magority committee have been crushed and self sabotaged.

Next...

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 09:08 PM

"Bruce, nobody accepts Bill Clinton's misconduct as "being OK." Nobody."

Really? It certainly was ok enough to keep the support of Sen.Dianne Feinstein [of California], Chuck Schumer [of New York], and Sen. [Dick] Durbin. You know, those Dems demanding a complete investigation of Kavanaugh?

"It’s so important that the American people understand what [Democratic Sens.] Dianne Feinstein [of California], Chuck Schumer [of New York], and Sen. [Dick] Durbin did to me in 1999. I had all the evidence in the world. I had witnesses, I had injuries, I had dates, and everything verified. This was in the ‘NBC Dateline’ interview, and then when I was deposed by the independent counsel, Ken Starr’s group, they deposed me, and this became part of the record of the impeachment, not one Democrat senator would read this. Not one. They completely refused."

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 09:07 PM

Bruce, Feinstein held the letter for five weeks, respecting Dr. Ford's request not to be identified. She released the letter when situations changed and permitted her to release the letter. Remember that we Democrats see no need to rush on this nomination, considering the treatment that Merrick Garland received such a short time ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:58 PM

Are you saying that Feinstein LIED about the letter? She stated she held onto it for months.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:56 PM

Actually, I think that the midterms are now swinging towards a Republican sweep- The Dems have all but declared that all beer drinkers are rapists and worse. THAT should make them popular...

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:54 PM

I see beyond the hyperbole and remind you...
All of Ford's emails have been totally hacked and turned into robots run by 'hackers'. Ford asked for annominity and Fienstien gave it to her. When Ford sent Feinstien her opening statement it was intercepted - most plausibly by an insecure computer. The papers then reprinted Ford's letter yesterday.


If you want to know about delays - ask Grassley.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:54 PM

"In college the perps lived across the hall "

AHAH! You lived with people that you state committed acts of sexual abuse- Even worse than being at the same party!

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: gillymor
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:52 PM

If they don't look into these allegations further they will pay at the midterms and Kavanaugh will undergo a more thorough investigation by a Democratic House. I'd rather get the dope on Kavanaugh before he's voted on. It is a LIFETIME appointment.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:50 PM

Donual,

Do you mean to say you never drank when you were in college?

Have you anything about Kavanaugh to say that pertains to his post-college life? ( other than you object to his thinking the Constitution is to be read BEFORE making a decision)

Can we judge YOU for the rest of your life by your alledged behavior in high school?

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:46 PM

"The way Kavanaugh made me feel "


Would you have felt that way if you agreed with him politically?


If a reasonable person was falsely accused of this type of thing, don't you think he would get upset about it, and express his anger to the people that were doing it?

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:41 PM

Oh hi bruce, glad you are here.

Bret gives the phrase 'sober as a judge' a whole new meaning to me..

*Joe is right, the Clinton's are republicrats as Dick Morris demonstrated.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:39 PM

What were the Democrats afraid of, when they sat on the letter for months?


It is all politics- note that Feinstein, Schumer, and Durban care about as much about women's rights as those here claim Trump does:

"It’s so important that the American people understand what [Democratic Sens.] Dianne Feinstein [of California], Chuck Schumer [of New York], and Sen. [Dick] Durbin did to me in 1999. I had all the evidence in the world. I had witnesses, I had injuries, I had dates, and everything verified. This was in the ‘NBC Dateline’ interview, and then when I was deposed by the independent counsel, Ken Starr’s group, they deposed me, and this became part of the record of the impeachment, not one Democrat senator would read this. Not one. They completely refused."

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: gillymor
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:34 PM

What are they afraid of? Let's subpoena Mark Judge.
They sure weren't in this kind of hurry with the Merrick Garland nomination.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:33 PM

Unless it was a Liberal one, you mean.




BTW,


SRS is playing the old " I can't argue the facts, so I will attack the person who brings them up." game- But being a member of the Liberal Majority, she will get away with it again ( and again, and again...)

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:29 PM

He hehehe. A republicrat with an annoying voice imo.

If you want to argue the merits of thier cases have at it.
I will just site the testimony. The way Kavanaugh made me feel however was beyond arrogant in the way he treated Senators and shouted questions back at them instead of answering the question.
Its just me but I certainly don't want a simpering wimpering judge with a grudge that suddenly flips to being a mean vengeful partisan.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:29 PM

And if Bill and Hillary were innocent, wouldn't they be DEMANDING such an investigation? (According to gillymor's logic)

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:26 PM

This the same FBI that said there was no reason to hold Hillary to the same laws as the rest of us, had a group planning how to remove Trump if he was elected, and that gave Hillary's people blanket amnesty while bringing unrelated charges against Trump's to force them to cooperate?


Right.

If there is an investigation, it should be of ALL those who have had claims of felonies against them made, like Bill and Hillary ( self admitted that she acted in a manner, that if I had done with my much lower clearances, would have gotten me 20 years in jail)

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: gillymor
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:12 PM

It's should be obvious to any reasonable individual that Dr. Ford's, (and other's) allegations warrant an FBI investigation. The only relevant question now is whether or not Kavanaugh is fit to serve a LIFETIME appointment to the Supreme Court, or any U.S. Court for that matter. If he is innocent you'd think he'd want to go forward with a clean slate.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:04 PM

Well, Bruce, I didn't support Clinton at the time, either. I always thought he was an undercover Republican.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 07:54 PM

Subject: RE: BS: bill clinton and skirts...
From: Little Hawk - PM
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 12:05 AM

Bill Clinton is essentially more amusing than George Bush (Jr or Senior). I think this is worth mentioning!

In honor of the ongoing subject of "Who is the political antichrist?" I wish to cut and paste again my poem:

"Partisan Blues"

I got those partisan blues
Those old partisan blues
In the bottom of my shoes
In the bottom of my shoes

My guy's right and your guy's wrong
Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!
Your guy's always wrong and he always will be!

My guy's a hero, your guy's a jerk
My guy is gonna put America back to work
Your guy's a liar, a pervert, a cheat
My guy's the friend of the man in the street

I got those partisan blues
Those old partisan blues
In the bottom of my shoes
In the bottom of my shoes

My party's the only one that I will ever vote for
I was born a Redemopublicrat and I'll die a Redemopublicrat
I can't stand those Democrapublicants, they make me sick
I hope they all Die! Die! Die!
And then my party can rule forever and ever
And theirs will be the Power and the Glory

My guy's a human, your guy's an ape
Your guy is secretly in favour of rape
Your guy took payoffs and he's unpatriotic
My guy's true blue, your guy's idiotic

I got those partisan blues, those partisan blues

Every four years I go completely nuts...

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 07:50 PM

Joe:

1. I do not think telling us that NOW, while keeping silent AT THE TIME, in order to support Democratic control of the White House, says anything good about YOU.

2. ANY misconduct by Kavanaugh is WRONG- but I look at the timing, the fact that Feinstein sat on this until she was desperate, and the lack of ANY supporting evidence or witnesses to indicate that PERHAPS even a Republican is innocent until proven guilty. And what was this about Ford demanding that Kavanaugh NOT be present? Isn't that contrary to the 6th amendment?

Even SRS would have to agree that a drunken groping is not as bad as forces rape- but the one she supported was a Democrat, so that makes it alright.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys
From: olddude
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 07:33 PM

Trump thinks it’s ok deep deep down inside his missing heart as he did worse

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 07:30 PM

Bruce, nobody accepts Bill Clinton's misconduct as "being OK." Nobody.

And neither should we accept Kavanaugh's misconduct.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 07:25 PM

Topic is good old boys- and the crimes Kavanaugh is accused of are far less than the ones you ACCEPTED AS BEING OK, since he did what YOU supported.


Seems to me that the points brought out in my post are not answered .

“You cannot go to court or make allegations just on your memory,” Broaddrick said. “You have to have facts, you have to have dates, you have to have what, where, who, how, when, why—which I had at the time, and … Miss Ford doesn’t.”



And how do you think Kavanaugh would act IF he was innocent- JUST LIKE HE IS ACTING.


"It’s so important that the American people understand what [Democratic Sens.] Dianne Feinstein [of California], Chuck Schumer [of New York], and Sen. [Dick] Durbin did to me in 1999. I had all the evidence in the world. I had witnesses, I had injuries, I had dates, and everything verified. This was in the ‘NBC Dateline’ interview, and then when I was deposed by the independent counsel, Ken Starr’s group, they deposed me, and this became part of the record of the impeachment, not one Democrat senator would read this. Not one. They completely refused."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/money-raised-for-kavanaugh-accuser-christine-blasey-ford-soars-after-thursday-testimony/a

Money poured into a fundraiser for Judge Brett Kavanaugh accuser Christine Blasey Ford Thursday as she testified in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

A “Help Christine Blasey Ford” GoFundMe page has raised over $357,790. That number was $159,610 as of Monday afternoon.

A “Cover Dr. Blasey’s Security Costs” GoFundMe has also raised $209,987 for Ford, putting the collective sum at over $567,000 for Ford and her family.

The fundraisers’ goals started at $150,000 and $175,000 respectively.


Over 14,016 people have donated to the two funds.

The money will support her and her family, and cover the security costs they have incurred following publication of Ford’s allegations against the Supreme Court nominee.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 06:41 PM

Bruce, you won't find many Democrats who wouldn't believe sexual misconduct allegations against Bill Clinton. It's interesting that you bring this up, because Kavanaugh and Bill Clinton seem very similar to me. I wouldn't want to see either one as a Supreme Court justice.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 06:41 PM

BB is pulling the old Tu Quoque "what about" ploy - when he doesn't like the topic, he tries to change the subject. Don't want to talk about Kavanaugh, blame Bill.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 06:13 PM

Good old boys like Bill Clinton:



“You cannot go to court or make allegations just on your memory,” Broaddrick said. “You have to have facts, you have to have dates, you have to have what, where, who, how, when, why—which I had at the time, and … Miss Ford doesn’t.”

Broaddrick accused Clinton of raping her in Arkansas in 1978 when she was a nursing home administrator and he was campaigning for governor. She recounted her account in a 1999 “Dateline NBC” interview.

Broaddrick also said there’s a “double standard” for the way Democrats treat accusations of sexual assault, versus Republicans. She said many of the same Democrats who have called for an FBI investigation into Ford’s allegations weren’t even willing to hear her story in the ’90s.


It’s so important that the American people understand what [Democratic Sens.] Dianne Feinstein [of California], Chuck Schumer [of New York], and Sen. [Dick] Durbin did to me in 1999. I had all the evidence in the world. I had witnesses, I had injuries, I had dates, and everything verified. This was in the ‘NBC Dateline’ interview, and then when I was deposed by the independent counsel, Ken Starr’s group, they deposed me, and this became part of the record of the impeachment, not one Democrat senator would read this. Not one. They completely refused.

Although Broaddrick suggested the pendulum has now swung too far in the opposite direction—from not giving women the time of day to be heard, to now believing women despite a lack of evidence—Broaddrick says on the whole, things have improved for victims of sexual abuse. But that wouldn’t have happened, she added, without Hillary Clinton’s defeat.

“Things are better now, but it’s only because Hillary Clinton lost,” she said. “Her husband was my rapist. And all of these articles that came out in 2017, such as Michelle Goldberg with the New York Times—big headline ‘I believe Juanita,’—and all of these others that fell in line, those articles, I really feel, would never have come forward had Hillary been elected president.”

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 06:00 PM

To me she came off as an aw shucks witness with a touch too much of a rehearsed crack in her voice with a compelling eight year story of discovery of how an incident has affected her life. She was her own ideal expert witness and answered every question while pleading for an investigation.

He came off as an over the top interrupting, outraged, entitled, angry accusatory white man who describes himself as an impossibly squeakey clean person. He evaded 90% of the questions by Democrats and mentioned the word 'beers' 32 times. When he cried I was too uncomfortable to watch.

He seems to be the epitome of a spoiled brat liar. imho

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys
From: olddude
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 02:15 PM

With Godspeed

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys
From: meself
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 01:51 PM

Kavanaugh is toast. He might as well just sneak out of town now.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys
From: olddude
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 01:04 PM

I find her testimony very compelling. A couple of big men on campus thinking they they can get away with anything and everyone is their play thing

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Sep 18 - 09:10 PM

Your points are close to the heart of the matter. The Kavanaugh job interview is a search for a good role model and Supreme Court Justice.
With 90% of his documents as a Bush employee missing, and that he doesn't seem to be a good role model should be of great concern.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys
From: meself
Date: 26 Sep 18 - 08:01 PM

Well ... The Handmaid's Tale didn't come out of nowhere!

[FWIW: I don't hold with loosening the definitions of terms such as rape, violence, genocide, etc.; it's unnecessary and confusing.]

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys
From: Senoufou
Date: 26 Sep 18 - 06:51 PM

Good grief Joe, that's reminiscent of Margaret Atwood's 'The Handmaid's Tale'! How sinister!

Talk about victim blaming... sexism ...male chauvinism...female oppression...cult mentality and....well!!!!

I find that quite frightening actually.

The crime of rape in UK involves penetration, either by a part of the rapist's anatomy or an object. Some of what Donuel describes would be classed as a serious sexual assault. But appalling in any case for the victim.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Sep 18 - 06:27 PM

The Fresh Air program recently had an interesting segment on how the Evangelical Purity Movement Sees Women's Bodies As A 'Threat.' An excerpt:

The first exposure I had to the purity message was actually about gender. Gender and sexuality are deeply intertwined in the purity movement. You aren't just supposed to be sexually pure, but you are supposed to be pure in your gender expression. So women and girls are expected to be hyper-feminine, supportive followers of men and boys who are expected to be hyper-masculine leaders, supportive and loving leaders, but leaders nonetheless. And if either the man or the woman or the girl or the boy strays from their gender expectation, for example, if the woman leads too much or the man becomes her follower, the idea is that the whole picture topples. ...
In this culture, men and boys are talked about as being sexually weak and women and girls are supposed to be the holders of all sexual purity. So ultimately women and girls are responsible for the sexual thoughts and feelings and choices that men make, and it's women and girls' responsibility to dress right, to act right, to talk right, to do everything just right to ensure non-sexuality for all people — and if they don't, they potentially risk being categorized as impure or as a harlot.

Kavanaugh is Catholic, but my Catholic parish has many Trump conservatives who are hard to tell from Evangelical Christians. They have arranged marriages and supervised courtship and other sex and courtship practices that are totally alien to the way I was brought up.

I imagine that in this line of thinking, Christine Blasey Ford was responsible for leading young Brett Kavanaugh astray, so she's the guilty party.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Sep 18 - 05:06 PM

*There were all sorts of strange confessions but only 2 regarding gang rape.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Sep 18 - 04:57 PM

As a hypnotist 2 cases out of 12,000 felt they needed to unburden them selves. In college the perps lived across the hall and I knew the girl they were talking about. As for third grade I saw 2 other 3rd grade boys wrestle a girl who suffered from stammering to the floor in a closet and pull down her panties to see her vagina. There was no intercourse of course but it is still a kind of rape don't you think.
When the girl tried to tell the teacher her stammering prevented her from explaining what had happened and the teacher dismissed the incident. My secretary was raped and mugged by inmates who she visited after one of the guys was released. I had a girlfriend who said she was abused by her own grandfather. I think I have a sheltered life.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys
From: meself
Date: 26 Sep 18 - 04:25 PM

You were 'witness to gang rape' in third grade?! ... yikes ......

Outside of court news, I've never in my longish life heard anyone confess to having any part in anything like gang rape. As an adolescent, I once heard a rumour of some older boys and a girl having a, ahem, 'gangbang', but, whatever the circumstances, if it occurred at all, it was represented as a consensual, naughty good time.

A woman once told me of having, um, 'entertained' two or three men in succession.

That's it. I suppose I've lived a sheltered life.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Sep 18 - 02:54 PM

Theme From 'the Dukes of Hazzard' (Good Ol' Boys)
Waylon Jennings
Just the good ol' boys
Never meanin' no harm
Beats all you never saw
Been in trouble with the law
Since the day they was born
Staightenin' the curves
Flattenin' the hills
Someday the mountain might get 'em
But the law never will
Makin' their way
The only way they know how
That's just a little bit more
Than the law will allow
Makin' their way
The only way they know how yeah
That's just a little bit more
Than the law will allow
I'm a good ol' boy
You know my momma loves me
But she don't understand
They keep a showin' my victims
And not my wisdom on TV

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Sep 18 - 02:20 PM

India has this as a SERIOUS cultural problem but I think America is not that far behind.
Tit and Clit was Kavanaugh's Yale fraternity. I KID YOU NOT.

Trump and Grassley wants Kavanaugh confirmed before former victims grow to double digits.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys
From: Senoufou
Date: 26 Sep 18 - 02:16 PM

Quite right olddude, they're not men. Even animals don't behave like that. Most men are decent, compassionate and respectful.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys
From: olddude
Date: 26 Sep 18 - 01:59 PM

Sen men don’t act like that sick twisted criminals do.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys
From: olddude
Date: 26 Sep 18 - 01:57 PM

Absolutely evil

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys
From: Senoufou
Date: 26 Sep 18 - 12:59 PM

How absolutely disgusting and bestial Donuel.
How can males behave like that? Have they no morals, compassion, self-control?
I expect their poor victims have been traumatised for life.
Indescribably evil.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Sep 18 - 12:30 PM

The term gang rape is now appearing in the American media every 20 seconds due to the push to make a Suprema Court Judge out of another good ol boy named Kavanagh who is Trump's pick. Donald really likes Roy Moore types.

Subject: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Sep 18 - 12:00 PM

I have not been a witness personally to gang rape except once in 3rd grade but I have heard the references and confessions to gang rape.
In college the boys called the girls raped as being "booted around".
I remember a confession involving such rape tools as electric cattle prods.

Kavanaugh is a good ol boy. What is being claimed is not uncommon in the real world.