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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh) From: Joe Offer Date: 27 Sep 18 - 09:15 PM OK, Bruce, time for the facts. What were the allegations, and what was the proposed action against Clinton, and what did Feinstein, Schumer, and Durban say and do? -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh) From: Donuel Date: 27 Sep 18 - 09:13 PM After Bret's performance today he may still be a valuable martyr for the right. But that's about it. Face it, EVEN IF there is a vast left wing conspiracy, the magority committee have been crushed and self sabotaged. Next... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh) From: beardedbruce Date: 27 Sep 18 - 09:08 PM "Bruce, nobody accepts Bill Clinton's misconduct as "being OK." Nobody." Really? It certainly was ok enough to keep the support of Sen.Dianne Feinstein [of California], Chuck Schumer [of New York], and Sen. [Dick] Durbin. You know, those Dems demanding a complete investigation of Kavanaugh? "It’s so important that the American people understand what [Democratic Sens.] Dianne Feinstein [of California], Chuck Schumer [of New York], and Sen. [Dick] Durbin did to me in 1999. I had all the evidence in the world. I had witnesses, I had injuries, I had dates, and everything verified. This was in the ‘NBC Dateline’ interview, and then when I was deposed by the independent counsel, Ken Starr’s group, they deposed me, and this became part of the record of the impeachment, not one Democrat senator would read this. Not one. They completely refused." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh) From: Joe Offer Date: 27 Sep 18 - 09:07 PM Bruce, Feinstein held the letter for five weeks, respecting Dr. Ford's request not to be identified. She released the letter when situations changed and permitted her to release the letter. Remember that we Democrats see no need to rush on this nomination, considering the treatment that Merrick Garland received such a short time ago. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh) From: beardedbruce Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:58 PM Are you saying that Feinstein LIED about the letter? She stated she held onto it for months. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh) From: beardedbruce Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:56 PM Actually, I think that the midterms are now swinging towards a Republican sweep- The Dems have all but declared that all beer drinkers are rapists and worse. THAT should make them popular... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh) From: Donuel Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:54 PM I see beyond the hyperbole and remind you... All of Ford's emails have been totally hacked and turned into robots run by 'hackers'. Ford asked for annominity and Fienstien gave it to her. When Ford sent Feinstien her opening statement it was intercepted - most plausibly by an insecure computer. The papers then reprinted Ford's letter yesterday. If you want to know about delays - ask Grassley. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh) From: beardedbruce Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:54 PM "In college the perps lived across the hall " AHAH! You lived with people that you state committed acts of sexual abuse- Even worse than being at the same party! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh) From: gillymor Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:52 PM If they don't look into these allegations further they will pay at the midterms and Kavanaugh will undergo a more thorough investigation by a Democratic House. I'd rather get the dope on Kavanaugh before he's voted on. It is a LIFETIME appointment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh) From: beardedbruce Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:50 PM Donual, Do you mean to say you never drank when you were in college? Have you anything about Kavanaugh to say that pertains to his post-college life? ( other than you object to his thinking the Constitution is to be read BEFORE making a decision) Can we judge YOU for the rest of your life by your alledged behavior in high school? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh) From: beardedbruce Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:46 PM "The way Kavanaugh made me feel " Would you have felt that way if you agreed with him politically? If a reasonable person was falsely accused of this type of thing, don't you think he would get upset about it, and express his anger to the people that were doing it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh) From: Donuel Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:41 PM Oh hi bruce, glad you are here. Bret gives the phrase 'sober as a judge' a whole new meaning to me.. *Joe is right, the Clinton's are republicrats as Dick Morris demonstrated. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh) From: beardedbruce Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:39 PM What were the Democrats afraid of, when they sat on the letter for months? It is all politics- note that Feinstein, Schumer, and Durban care about as much about women's rights as those here claim Trump does: "It’s so important that the American people understand what [Democratic Sens.] Dianne Feinstein [of California], Chuck Schumer [of New York], and Sen. [Dick] Durbin did to me in 1999. I had all the evidence in the world. I had witnesses, I had injuries, I had dates, and everything verified. This was in the ‘NBC Dateline’ interview, and then when I was deposed by the independent counsel, Ken Starr’s group, they deposed me, and this became part of the record of the impeachment, not one Democrat senator would read this. Not one. They completely refused." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh) From: gillymor Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:34 PM What are they afraid of? Let's subpoena Mark Judge. They sure weren't in this kind of hurry with the Merrick Garland nomination. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh) From: beardedbruce Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:33 PM Unless it was a Liberal one, you mean. BTW, SRS is playing the old " I can't argue the facts, so I will attack the person who brings them up." game- But being a member of the Liberal Majority, she will get away with it again ( and again, and again...) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh) From: Donuel Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:29 PM He hehehe. A republicrat with an annoying voice imo. If you want to argue the merits of thier cases have at it. I will just site the testimony. The way Kavanaugh made me feel however was beyond arrogant in the way he treated Senators and shouted questions back at them instead of answering the question. Its just me but I certainly don't want a simpering wimpering judge with a grudge that suddenly flips to being a mean vengeful partisan. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh) From: beardedbruce Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:29 PM And if Bill and Hillary were innocent, wouldn't they be DEMANDING such an investigation? (According to gillymor's logic) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh) From: beardedbruce Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:26 PM This the same FBI that said there was no reason to hold Hillary to the same laws as the rest of us, had a group planning how to remove Trump if he was elected, and that gave Hillary's people blanket amnesty while bringing unrelated charges against Trump's to force them to cooperate? Right. If there is an investigation, it should be of ALL those who have had claims of felonies against them made, like Bill and Hillary ( self admitted that she acted in a manner, that if I had done with my much lower clearances, would have gotten me 20 years in jail) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh) From: gillymor Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:12 PM It's should be obvious to any reasonable individual that Dr. Ford's, (and other's) allegations warrant an FBI investigation. The only relevant question now is whether or not Kavanaugh is fit to serve a LIFETIME appointment to the Supreme Court, or any U.S. Court for that matter. If he is innocent you'd think he'd want to go forward with a clean slate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh) From: Joe Offer Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:04 PM Well, Bruce, I didn't support Clinton at the time, either. I always thought he was an undercover Republican. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh) From: beardedbruce Date: 27 Sep 18 - 07:54 PM Subject: RE: BS: bill clinton and skirts... From: Little Hawk - PM Date: 27 Feb 04 - 12:05 AM Bill Clinton is essentially more amusing than George Bush (Jr or Senior). I think this is worth mentioning! In honor of the ongoing subject of "Who is the political antichrist?" I wish to cut and paste again my poem: "Partisan Blues" I got those partisan blues Those old partisan blues In the bottom of my shoes In the bottom of my shoes My guy's right and your guy's wrong Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! Your guy's always wrong and he always will be! My guy's a hero, your guy's a jerk My guy is gonna put America back to work Your guy's a liar, a pervert, a cheat My guy's the friend of the man in the street I got those partisan blues Those old partisan blues In the bottom of my shoes In the bottom of my shoes My party's the only one that I will ever vote for I was born a Redemopublicrat and I'll die a Redemopublicrat I can't stand those Democrapublicants, they make me sick I hope they all Die! Die! Die! And then my party can rule forever and ever And theirs will be the Power and the Glory My guy's a human, your guy's an ape Your guy is secretly in favour of rape Your guy took payoffs and he's unpatriotic My guy's true blue, your guy's idiotic I got those partisan blues, those partisan blues Every four years I go completely nuts... - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh) From: beardedbruce Date: 27 Sep 18 - 07:50 PM Joe: 1. I do not think telling us that NOW, while keeping silent AT THE TIME, in order to support Democratic control of the White House, says anything good about YOU. 2. ANY misconduct by Kavanaugh is WRONG- but I look at the timing, the fact that Feinstein sat on this until she was desperate, and the lack of ANY supporting evidence or witnesses to indicate that PERHAPS even a Republican is innocent until proven guilty. And what was this about Ford demanding that Kavanaugh NOT be present? Isn't that contrary to the 6th amendment? Even SRS would have to agree that a drunken groping is not as bad as forces rape- but the one she supported was a Democrat, so that makes it alright. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys From: olddude Date: 27 Sep 18 - 07:33 PM Trump thinks it’s ok deep deep down inside his missing heart as he did worse |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys From: Joe Offer Date: 27 Sep 18 - 07:30 PM Bruce, nobody accepts Bill Clinton's misconduct as "being OK." Nobody. And neither should we accept Kavanaugh's misconduct. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys From: beardedbruce Date: 27 Sep 18 - 07:25 PM Topic is good old boys- and the crimes Kavanaugh is accused of are far less than the ones you ACCEPTED AS BEING OK, since he did what YOU supported. Seems to me that the points brought out in my post are not answered . “You cannot go to court or make allegations just on your memory,” Broaddrick said. “You have to have facts, you have to have dates, you have to have what, where, who, how, when, why—which I had at the time, and … Miss Ford doesn’t.” And how do you think Kavanaugh would act IF he was innocent- JUST LIKE HE IS ACTING. "It’s so important that the American people understand what [Democratic Sens.] Dianne Feinstein [of California], Chuck Schumer [of New York], and Sen. [Dick] Durbin did to me in 1999. I had all the evidence in the world. I had witnesses, I had injuries, I had dates, and everything verified. This was in the ‘NBC Dateline’ interview, and then when I was deposed by the independent counsel, Ken Starr’s group, they deposed me, and this became part of the record of the impeachment, not one Democrat senator would read this. Not one. They completely refused." http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/money-raised-for-kavanaugh-accuser-christine-blasey-ford-soars-after-thursday-testimony/a Money poured into a fundraiser for Judge Brett Kavanaugh accuser Christine Blasey Ford Thursday as she testified in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee. A “Help Christine Blasey Ford” GoFundMe page has raised over $357,790. That number was $159,610 as of Monday afternoon. A “Cover Dr. Blasey’s Security Costs” GoFundMe has also raised $209,987 for Ford, putting the collective sum at over $567,000 for Ford and her family. The fundraisers’ goals started at $150,000 and $175,000 respectively. Over 14,016 people have donated to the two funds. The money will support her and her family, and cover the security costs they have incurred following publication of Ford’s allegations against the Supreme Court nominee. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys From: Joe Offer Date: 27 Sep 18 - 06:41 PM Bruce, you won't find many Democrats who wouldn't believe sexual misconduct allegations against Bill Clinton. It's interesting that you bring this up, because Kavanaugh and Bill Clinton seem very similar to me. I wouldn't want to see either one as a Supreme Court justice. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys From: Stilly River Sage Date: 27 Sep 18 - 06:41 PM BB is pulling the old Tu Quoque "what about" ploy - when he doesn't like the topic, he tries to change the subject. Don't want to talk about Kavanaugh, blame Bill. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys From: beardedbruce Date: 27 Sep 18 - 06:13 PM Good old boys like Bill Clinton: “You cannot go to court or make allegations just on your memory,” Broaddrick said. “You have to have facts, you have to have dates, you have to have what, where, who, how, when, why—which I had at the time, and … Miss Ford doesn’t.” Broaddrick accused Clinton of raping her in Arkansas in 1978 when she was a nursing home administrator and he was campaigning for governor. She recounted her account in a 1999 “Dateline NBC” interview. Broaddrick also said there’s a “double standard” for the way Democrats treat accusations of sexual assault, versus Republicans. She said many of the same Democrats who have called for an FBI investigation into Ford’s allegations weren’t even willing to hear her story in the ’90s. It’s so important that the American people understand what [Democratic Sens.] Dianne Feinstein [of California], Chuck Schumer [of New York], and Sen. [Dick] Durbin did to me in 1999. I had all the evidence in the world. I had witnesses, I had injuries, I had dates, and everything verified. This was in the ‘NBC Dateline’ interview, and then when I was deposed by the independent counsel, Ken Starr’s group, they deposed me, and this became part of the record of the impeachment, not one Democrat senator would read this. Not one. They completely refused. Although Broaddrick suggested the pendulum has now swung too far in the opposite direction—from not giving women the time of day to be heard, to now believing women despite a lack of evidence—Broaddrick says on the whole, things have improved for victims of sexual abuse. But that wouldn’t have happened, she added, without Hillary Clinton’s defeat. “Things are better now, but it’s only because Hillary Clinton lost,” she said. “Her husband was my rapist. And all of these articles that came out in 2017, such as Michelle Goldberg with the New York Times—big headline ‘I believe Juanita,’—and all of these others that fell in line, those articles, I really feel, would never have come forward had Hillary been elected president.” |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys From: Donuel Date: 27 Sep 18 - 06:00 PM To me she came off as an aw shucks witness with a touch too much of a rehearsed crack in her voice with a compelling eight year story of discovery of how an incident has affected her life. She was her own ideal expert witness and answered every question while pleading for an investigation. He came off as an over the top interrupting, outraged, entitled, angry accusatory white man who describes himself as an impossibly squeakey clean person. He evaded 90% of the questions by Democrats and mentioned the word 'beers' 32 times. When he cried I was too uncomfortable to watch. He seems to be the epitome of a spoiled brat liar. imho |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys From: olddude Date: 27 Sep 18 - 02:15 PM With Godspeed |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys From: meself Date: 27 Sep 18 - 01:51 PM Kavanaugh is toast. He might as well just sneak out of town now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys From: olddude Date: 27 Sep 18 - 01:04 PM I find her testimony very compelling. A couple of big men on campus thinking they they can get away with anything and everyone is their play thing |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys From: Donuel Date: 26 Sep 18 - 09:10 PM Your points are close to the heart of the matter. The Kavanaugh job interview is a search for a good role model and Supreme Court Justice. With 90% of his documents as a Bush employee missing, and that he doesn't seem to be a good role model should be of great concern. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys From: meself Date: 26 Sep 18 - 08:01 PM Well ... The Handmaid's Tale didn't come out of nowhere! [FWIW: I don't hold with loosening the definitions of terms such as rape, violence, genocide, etc.; it's unnecessary and confusing.] |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys From: Senoufou Date: 26 Sep 18 - 06:51 PM Good grief Joe, that's reminiscent of Margaret Atwood's 'The Handmaid's Tale'! How sinister! Talk about victim blaming... sexism ...male chauvinism...female oppression...cult mentality and....well!!!! I find that quite frightening actually. The crime of rape in UK involves penetration, either by a part of the rapist's anatomy or an object. Some of what Donuel describes would be classed as a serious sexual assault. But appalling in any case for the victim. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys From: Joe Offer Date: 26 Sep 18 - 06:27 PM The Fresh Air program recently had an interesting segment on how the Evangelical Purity Movement Sees Women's Bodies As A 'Threat.' An excerpt:
In this culture, men and boys are talked about as being sexually weak and women and girls are supposed to be the holders of all sexual purity. So ultimately women and girls are responsible for the sexual thoughts and feelings and choices that men make, and it's women and girls' responsibility to dress right, to act right, to talk right, to do everything just right to ensure non-sexuality for all people — and if they don't, they potentially risk being categorized as impure or as a harlot. Kavanaugh is Catholic, but my Catholic parish has many Trump conservatives who are hard to tell from Evangelical Christians. They have arranged marriages and supervised courtship and other sex and courtship practices that are totally alien to the way I was brought up. I imagine that in this line of thinking, Christine Blasey Ford was responsible for leading young Brett Kavanaugh astray, so she's the guilty party. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys From: Donuel Date: 26 Sep 18 - 05:06 PM *There were all sorts of strange confessions but only 2 regarding gang rape. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys From: Donuel Date: 26 Sep 18 - 04:57 PM As a hypnotist 2 cases out of 12,000 felt they needed to unburden them selves. In college the perps lived across the hall and I knew the girl they were talking about. As for third grade I saw 2 other 3rd grade boys wrestle a girl who suffered from stammering to the floor in a closet and pull down her panties to see her vagina. There was no intercourse of course but it is still a kind of rape don't you think. When the girl tried to tell the teacher her stammering prevented her from explaining what had happened and the teacher dismissed the incident. My secretary was raped and mugged by inmates who she visited after one of the guys was released. I had a girlfriend who said she was abused by her own grandfather. I think I have a sheltered life. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys From: meself Date: 26 Sep 18 - 04:25 PM You were 'witness to gang rape' in third grade?! ... yikes ...... Outside of court news, I've never in my longish life heard anyone confess to having any part in anything like gang rape. As an adolescent, I once heard a rumour of some older boys and a girl having a, ahem, 'gangbang', but, whatever the circumstances, if it occurred at all, it was represented as a consensual, naughty good time. A woman once told me of having, um, 'entertained' two or three men in succession. That's it. I suppose I've lived a sheltered life. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys From: Donuel Date: 26 Sep 18 - 02:54 PM Theme From 'the Dukes of Hazzard' (Good Ol' Boys) Waylon Jennings Just the good ol' boys Never meanin' no harm Beats all you never saw Been in trouble with the law Since the day they was born Staightenin' the curves Flattenin' the hills Someday the mountain might get 'em But the law never will Makin' their way The only way they know how That's just a little bit more Than the law will allow Makin' their way The only way they know how yeah That's just a little bit more Than the law will allow I'm a good ol' boy You know my momma loves me But she don't understand They keep a showin' my victims And not my wisdom on TV |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys From: Donuel Date: 26 Sep 18 - 02:20 PM India has this as a SERIOUS cultural problem but I think America is not that far behind. Tit and Clit was Kavanaugh's Yale fraternity. I KID YOU NOT. Trump and Grassley wants Kavanaugh confirmed before former victims grow to double digits. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys From: Senoufou Date: 26 Sep 18 - 02:16 PM Quite right olddude, they're not men. Even animals don't behave like that. Most men are decent, compassionate and respectful. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys From: olddude Date: 26 Sep 18 - 01:59 PM Sen men don’t act like that sick twisted criminals do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys From: olddude Date: 26 Sep 18 - 01:57 PM Absolutely evil |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys From: Senoufou Date: 26 Sep 18 - 12:59 PM How absolutely disgusting and bestial Donuel. How can males behave like that? Have they no morals, compassion, self-control? I expect their poor victims have been traumatised for life. Indescribably evil. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys From: Donuel Date: 26 Sep 18 - 12:30 PM The term gang rape is now appearing in the American media every 20 seconds due to the push to make a Suprema Court Judge out of another good ol boy named Kavanagh who is Trump's pick. Donald really likes Roy Moore types. |
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Subject: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys From: Donuel Date: 26 Sep 18 - 12:00 PM I have not been a witness personally to gang rape except once in 3rd grade but I have heard the references and confessions to gang rape. In college the boys called the girls raped as being "booted around". I remember a confession involving such rape tools as electric cattle prods. Kavanaugh is a good ol boy. What is being claimed is not uncommon in the real world. |