BS: Kavanaugh Investigation and Confirm?

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Oct 18 - 07:01 AM

The issue is alleged sexual assault. The man has not had the integrity and good grace to step away from aspiring to a post which demands the highest standard of objectivity, neutrality and integrity. Whether or not he committed the sexual assaults is almost (though not quite) a sideshow apropos of his appointment. He has failed on all three of those counts and is thereby totally unfit for office. Trump dug in on this and he dug in on this. Male hubris has won out. I wouldn't want Any Supreme Court judge in my country to be in post by dint of male hubris. This is a horrible backward step, along with Trump's election, the rise of the far right in many western countries and the nightmare of brexit. An even bigger nightmare is that this "victory" for Trump is a giant step towards his re-election.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Oct 18 - 06:57 AM

Heard someone refer to the the USA as United Rapes of America last night
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: gillymor
Date: 07 Oct 18 - 06:21 AM

Once again, for those who have imbibed the conservative Kool Aid, the issue with Kavanaugh was/is SEXUAL ASSAULT not beer drinking.

Thank u.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: j0_77
Date: 07 Oct 18 - 03:21 AM

Re: SRS " That isn't what you said before j0_77. It doesn't work often, but political threads simply won't last if personal insults start early on. "

Please, what did I say before? Are you referring to my post that disappeared? I have no idea what you mean. Perhaps we should PM these sorts of misunderstandings?

Next, the Political angle. Well, is the title, and the tone of this thread not political? Or is it just a critical assessment of Justice Kavanaugh's character?

I get the impression that he has been condemned for what Dr. Ford accuses, and for being a boisterous beer drinking teen 36 years ago. However I do not believe that anybody I know did not do crazy stuff in their teenage years. In fact, looking at his life after he became an adult, I see nothing but a good person, and certainly nothing at all like others who as adults were caught with their pants down, and prosecuted for high crimes and misdemeanors, no names mentioned for the sake of folks feeling who still think that one famous man was indeed framed, and impeached for it.

Next; DMG you might be right, however only time can tell the doom of Teengate. About the Midterms, next month, I have a nice little cameo for you.

Here in Texas we have a Democrat revolution in Beto O'Rourke. He is very well liked by all, no party affiliation seems to dent his popularity. His opponent, Republican, Ted Cruze is not as well liked and to the same degree. I recall, 2016, folks calling him 'EL Culebra', The Snake, when he dissed Trump.

So if ever there was a state where the Republican Party gets their hat handed to them at the door, it looks like, this time, it will be Texas.

However, and this is yet more Politics, the sad Dr.Ford/Kavanaugh circus has hardened the Republican base, mainly the non-city, non-urban, areas where the Justice is becoming a hero. So you could be onto something there.

Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Oct 18 - 02:42 AM

In a month we will have forgotten about the entire pathetic circus!

Partly true, and partly not. There are enough scandals and dubious dealings that come next month our focus will be elsewhere, and this case will not be in any of the media. So, at a superficial level, it will be forgotten.

But it won't be forgotten by most of the women who have suffered abuse and see their perpetrators escape justice. Nor by Kavenaugh - and the media - when the first difficult judgements come up. Nor by Collins if her "he's a good chap really" speech proves to be threadbare in practice. Nor by those who she wants to vote for her.

Nor, perhaps, in the mid term elections.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Oct 18 - 12:27 AM

That isn't what you said before j0_77. It doesn't work often, but political threads simply won't last if personal insults start early on.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: j0_77
Date: 06 Oct 18 - 11:02 PM

Earlier I posted this response, which has disappeared.

So again.

Re gillymor 's responce to me.
I do not have Cable, in fact I do not even own a TV set. How then could what I post be 'Fox News'?
I get my news off of the internet from MSN and Yahoo.

Please do not let your misreadings become accusations of the innocent!

#GuiltyByAccusation see it on Twitter.

Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Oct 18 - 10:17 PM

He can be impeached, but that is a difficult process, and Trump needs to be impeached first.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Oct 18 - 09:37 PM

There's a big shadow over this fellow, though the crux is, at present, that he hasn't been convicted of anything. I'm trying to imagine what might have happened on this side of the pond. The shadow over him would surely have stayed the hand of the prime minister, who would not have relished the ensuing outcry had he been appointed. What evidence there is against him would have been assessed by the Crown Prosecution Service to see if there was a case to answer, or whether there was a reasonable prospect of conviction. While that was going on I can't see how he could have been appointed. Finally, I think that people of integrity under the pressure he's enduring would have gracefully stepped away from being considered for the job. He hasn't shown the grace or integrity to do that and he's also said some stupid things. Over here, he simply wouldn't have got the job. He's badly flawed, guilty or not. As a senior judge he should know a damn sight better. Bit late, I suppose.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: gillymor
Date: 06 Oct 18 - 08:18 PM

No, that's Fox News!
The issue was SEXUAL ASSAULT!

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: j0_77
Date: 06 Oct 18 - 07:21 PM

6.00 PM CST October 6th 2018
Subject to Presidential action, Brett Kavanaugh has been elevated to SCJ by the Senate.

In a month we will have forgotten about the entire pathetic circus!

Dr. Ford will get a heaps of money in book, and movie, deals to add to her GFM million dollars,
whence she will then quietly fade into irrelevance as people get hooked on the next big news affair.

Meanwhile on Everyday & Normal Street, we the regular folks will get
screwed every which way by the same crooked lying system the enriches those people and impoverishes us.

One good thing about this outcome is that beer drinking is now more offensive to the loony left than smoking pot.

Now that's real news!

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: keberoxu
Date: 06 Oct 18 - 07:19 PM

Well, it is a done deal now. Investigated,
I almost printed
Infestigated! I like that one!

Ach, I'm punch drunk here.
It's done, they have sworn the man in as a justice.

I hate to think how much worse things will get.
As though they are not bad enough.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Oct 18 - 10:31 PM

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/10/05/im-just-good-old-west-virginia-boy-sen-joe-manchin-becomes-only-democrat-support

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Oct 18 - 10:20 PM

Senator Collins however gave Bret an assumption of honesty in that -she assumes- he could not have possibly lied under oath under threat of perjury. But that is what criminals do very day. The woman was just outright ignored.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm.
From: robomatic
Date: 05 Oct 18 - 07:13 PM

Well, people here are feeling good about Lisa Murkowski. I should amend that to say that the four liberals in Alaska feel positive about Our Lisa, and she will get Democratic votes next time her seat is up for renewal.
As for Kavanaugh, those same three/ four people are remembering how Earl Warren was nominated to be a conservative, but turned out to be a revelation for everybody.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Oct 18 - 04:07 PM

D. Sen. Manchon was the deciding vote
When he was asked about his vote he said "I'm just a good 'ol West Virginia boy".


Ring a Bell ?

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Oct 18 - 04:02 PM

Yep. Its not the end of civilization, but you can see it from here.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Oct 18 - 02:54 PM

That was my reading.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: meself
Date: 05 Oct 18 - 02:21 PM

I take it you are quite certain that Kavanaugh will win - even if by the slimmest of possible margins ....

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: j0_77
Date: 05 Oct 18 - 01:14 PM

We shall know the outcome of the confirmation by Sunday October 7th 2018.

No matter where we stand on the issue, there is no need to continue bashing either the accuser or the accused.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Oct 18 - 11:59 AM

Yes yes and yes none of this would be happening if people showed up to vote

This country has been swayed overwhelmingly by the kkk and later by Dr. King. We denied women the vote and reversed the idea. The pendulum will continue to swing according to the capacity of our imagination and our pain.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: Charmion
Date: 05 Oct 18 - 11:30 AM

You know, he could have stopped all this in its tracks if he had replied to Dr Blasey saying, "I was a drunken wastrel when I was young, and I could well have done what she says I did. As I grew older, I realized that I could not continue to drink so heavily and keep my job and family, so I cleaned up my act. I am terribly sorry for what I did."

But Kavanaugh would not be the man he is if it would occur to him to make that statement, or if he could say it truthfully.

Himself to whom I am married is a criminal lawyer, and sexual assault has been his bread and butter for years. He says Dr. Blasey is a very credible witness.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Oct 18 - 07:22 AM

Bruce I know you can not hear me but your rancor is not your own. You take it from others who design rancor for you.
Perhaps there is some truth in that for all of us.

Do Democrats complain about rules they themselves approved? Yes.
Do Republicans complain about being caught cheating? yes.
But the issues are bigger than political hijinks.


You are by default saying "Make sexual assault great again.
You are supporting a liar who is not judicious, sober, or impartial.
The damage he has done to himself is Kafkaesque.

If not confirmed you will be blaming the wrong people that you are told to blame.
Find your own center.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Oct 18 - 06:15 AM

Are you certain I exposed Bret, Ace??? What have you got?
Brett exposed himself !

Two retired Supreme Court judges have asked for Kavanaugh to be rejected for the good of the court.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: robomatic
Date: 04 Oct 18 - 08:57 PM

Again, one doesn't have to look overmuch- Kavanaugh lied to Congress, and to the rest of us watching.

Defining "Devil's Triangle."
Explaining "Renate Alumnius."

And his repetitive remarking about "4 people" found him innocent.

It is silly for him to be in this mess. But regardless of Dr. Ford's story, which is at least believable, he lied, obviously and more than once.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Oct 18 - 07:50 PM

Not I. No need, when you make obviously hate-filled comments all the time- I am sure you are on a number of watch lists.

No violence in MY system- it is the Left providing hate, abuse, unsubstantiated accusations, personal attacks, and lies.

Let he who is without sins cast the first stone- YOU have never demonstrated a sin-less demeanor*.

For the record: YOUR crime is doxing Kavanaugh- Shall we put your address out and see if there is anyone who wants to attack you and/or your family at home?

"Jackson Cosko, 27, was charged with making public restricted personal information"

Isn't it child abuse to refuse to have your kid(s) vaccinated? Isn't proper medical care a requirement?



*synonyms:

manner · air · attitude · appearance · look · aspect · mien · cast · bearing · carriage · way of carrying oneself · behavior · conduct · way of behaving · comportment · deportment-

NOT as in you are demeaner than anyone else I know...

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Oct 18 - 07:38 PM

SO IT WAS YOU who informed ! cringe cringe woe is me
oh lambs of mercy sake. Mercy Mercy let me out I don't belong here/
why don't you dunk me in water and see if I float.

Surely believing my eyes is not a crime
Are we in a dictatorship? or what

See the violence inherent in the system See the violence inherent in Bruce's system. Are you really a good person.

"what goes around comes around for you Senator"
Brett Kavanaugh at his job interview.

For the record what is my crime again

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Oct 18 - 04:52 PM

that should be meself- sorry about that.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Oct 18 - 04:45 PM

myself,

It looked like righteous anger at being falsely accused of something to me.

It was the Dems who were cringing at having their actions brought to light.

IMT, of course.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Oct 18 - 04:18 PM

And there is more documented evidence for YOUR crime than the accusations you make about Justice Kavanaugh...



From: Donuel - PM
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 10:23 PM

And to think he walked among us before he moved to his gated community ...

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Oct 18 - 03:00 PM

help me brucie beard Kenobi you are my only hope to be bailed out of jail. Some one alerted the FBI of my mudcat post.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: meself
Date: 04 Oct 18 - 01:01 PM

The Republicans have been able to narrow all the questions of Kavanaugh's suitability to the highest court in the land to that of an accusation of sexual assault. Anyone who saw his disgraceful, ridiculous performance in front on the Senate is aware that the only court he might belong on is in a gymnasium.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Oct 18 - 12:35 PM

The New York Times
   
For Once, I’m Grateful for Trump

"For the first time since Donald Trump entered the political fray, I find myself grateful that he’s in it. I’m reluctant to admit it and astonished to say it, especially since the president mocked Christine Blasey Ford in his ugly and gratuitous way at a rally on Tuesday. Perhaps it’s worth unpacking this admission for those who might be equally astonished to read it.

I’m grateful because Trump has not backed down in the face of the slipperiness, hypocrisy and dangerous standard-setting deployed by opponents of Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination to the Supreme Court. I’m grateful because ferocious and even crass obstinacy has its uses in life, and never more so than in the face of sly moral bullying. I’m grateful because he’s a big fat hammer fending off a razor-sharp dagger.

A few moments have crystallized my view over the past few days.

The first moment was a remark by a friend. “I’d rather be accused of murder,” he said, “than of sexual assault.” I feel the same way. One can think of excuses for killing a man; none for assaulting a woman. But if that’s true, so is this: Falsely accusing a person of sexual assault is nearly as despicable as sexual assault itself. It inflicts psychic, familial, reputational and professional harms that can last a lifetime. This is nothing to sneer at.

The second moment, connected to the first: “Boo hoo hoo. Brett Kavanaugh is not a victim.” That’s the title of a column in the Los Angeles Times, which suggests that the possibility of Kavanaugh’s innocence is “infinitesimal.” Yet false allegations of rape, while relatively rare, are at least five times as common as false accusations of other types of crime, according to academic literature.

Since when did the possibility of innocence become, for today’s liberals, something to wave off with an archly unfeeling “boo hoo”?"

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/for-once-i%e2%80%99m-grateful-for-trump/ar-BBNUIj1?ocid=ientp

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Oct 18 - 12:03 PM

Careful, Donuel. You are showing your hatefulness, in an illegal fashion.

"Capitol Police on Wednesday evening arrested a Democratic congressional staffer who allegedly doxxed a handful of Republican senators and then posted their personal information online.

Jackson Cosko, 27, was charged with making public restricted personal information, witness tampering, threats in interstate communication, unauthorized access of a government computer, identity theft, second-degree burglary and unlawful entry, although additional charges could be added.

Cosko most recently worked for Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX) but has also been a staffer with Sen. Maggie Hassan (D-NH) and former Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA), Fox News reported.

The charges come after Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell's home addresses in Kentucky and Washington, D.C. were added to his public Wikipedia page. "

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Oct 18 - 10:40 AM

The New Yorker published a story last night by Jane Mayer and Ronan Farrow (who Trump blasted as "Ronan Sinatra")

Frustrated potential witnesses who have been unable to speak with the F.B.I agents conducting the investigation into sexual-assault allegations against Donald Trump’s Supreme Court nominee, Brett Kavanaugh, have been resorting to sending statements, unsolicited, to the Bureau and to senators, in hopes that they would be seen before the inquiry concluded. On Monday, President Trump said that the Bureau should be able to interview “anybody they want within reason,” but the extent of the constraints placed on the investigating agents by the White House remained unclear. Late Wednesday night, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell announced that the F.B.I. probe was over and cleared the way for an important procedural vote on Kavanaugh’s nomination to take place on Friday. NBC News reported that dozens of people who said that they had information about Kavanaugh had contacted F.B.I. field offices, but agents had not been permitted to talk to many of them. Several people interested in speaking to the F.B.I. expressed exasperation in interviews with The New Yorker at what they perceived to be a lack of interest in their accounts.

Deborah Ramirez, one of two women who have accused Kavanaugh of sexual abuse, said in an interview that she had been hopeful that her story would be investigated when two agents drove from Denver to Boulder, Colorado, last weekend to interview her at her lawyer’s office. But Ramirez said that she was troubled by what she perceived as a lack of willingness on the part of the Bureau to take steps to substantiate her claims. “I am very alarmed, first, that I was denied an F.B.I. investigation for five days, and then, when one was granted, that it was given on a short timeline and that the people who were key to corroborating my story have not been contacted,” Ramirez said. “I feel like I’m being silenced.”

The rest is at the article; I won't link because there is usually a paywall.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Oct 18 - 10:36 AM

The Trump reponse to Me Tooism is to make sexual assault great again and protect our boys in these scary times.

The FBI report was limited for format available time.
It is not top secret but is not to be released to the public.
The lieing continues via Senate republican tweet.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 10:23 PM

And to think he walked among us before he moved to his gated community in Bethesda. 2424 Admiral Boulevard 20992 MD
Yes his house has pillars in front but its not really that grand.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: meself
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 08:51 PM

Trouble is, Kavanaugh is already a parody of himself - a living, walking parody.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: robomatic
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 07:13 PM

John Oliver spent the last episode of Last Week Tonight on the Kavanaugh part of the hearings.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 04:53 PM

He is the Sham Pain of bottled anger.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 04:52 PM

The Kavanaugh hearings, as with many of the accomplishments of the Trump Administration, have been a great occasion for comedy. The last Saturday Night Live opening was a classic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRJecfRxbr8

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 03:24 PM

Buy a case of black label KAVA-NAW ! When you positively absolutely need to black out.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 12:45 PM

I have been an infrequent visitor to the USA, but one thing that has struck me on the last couple of visits is how far US beer has come since the 1980s, when it really was Coors or Budweiser, and you would walk half way across town for an Anchor Steam. Loads of choice now, and good stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: meself
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 11:42 AM

A couple of thoughts lifted from youtube comments:

"The only case Kavanaugh is qualified to judge is a case of beer. Let's see what he does with the precedent of Coors v. Budweiser."

"The only bench this lying drunk deserves is in the park."

[paraphrased]

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 11:29 AM

You've arrived as a force to be reckoned with if Trump feels the need to try to put you down. That was Roy Cohn's first rule of getting ahead - dismiss others and claim a victory even if you lose.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 10:36 AM

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/10/trump-mocks-and-imitates-christine-ford-at-campaign-rally.html

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 09:21 AM

I suspect there were people who looked upon the fledgling 3rd Reich and thought they did not have a dog in that fight.
The base Trump-Cavanaugh appeals to is his white male base. The Southern expression of good ol boys and "they have their ways" are excuses for racism and mysogeny over the century. Polls have Bret and Donald with identical approval.

Last night Trump impersonated every woman who is a claimed victim or female Senator in such crude terms even you would not believe it.

Do not buy into the assumption that this is a he said she said case as advertised by Republicans.

Still Dave is correct that it is a male entitlement war on truth.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 07:39 AM

Well I am in the UK, so I have no particular dog in this fight, but I think the contrast between Dr. Ford's testimony and Judge Kavanaugh's was stark. Dr. Ford was honest if at times uncertain, and told the truth as best she could. The tribute to her from Kamala Harris was powerful and I agree with every word of what she said.

Judge Kavanaugh's testimony reeked of male entitlement. Not republican, not white, but male. It is as a male he feels that he is entitled to do what he likes regarding Dr. Ford, including have powerful friends besmirch her name. My view is that whether he sexually assaulted Dr. Ford or not, the aggressive manner in which he delivered his testimony, his evasiveness (again when questioned by Kamala Harris), and the fact that he has clearly primed Trump to attack Dr. Ford on his behalf, makes him unfit for any office, let alone a public one.

Kamala Harris on the other hand is hugely impressive. Calm and forensic questioning, impassioned defence of someone whose name is being besmirched.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Oct 18 - 08:16 PM

Internet trolls manufactured fake stories in an attempt to discredit Dr. Christine Blasey Ford's testimony.

Subject: RE: BS: Kavan ugh Investigation and Confirm?
From: robomatic
Date: 02 Oct 18 - 03:40 PM

Paul Krugman departs from being an econ savant to let us know what he really...