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Subject: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barak, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 11:01 AM

Time Warner/CNN, George Soros and other prominate Democrats.
These pipe bombs have not gone off but were deivered as if they were mail. Terrorism of this kind seems like white nationals to me.

Well its October, surprised?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barak, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 11:05 AM

The Cold Civil War, with the prompting by Trump at his rallies, has apparently heated up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barak, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 11:30 AM

FoX nEwS reports that while this kind of thing is not exactly appropriate you have to expect this when politicians are made to be afraid by mobs when at a restaurant. It is important to be very afraid and shelter in place when ordered to do so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barak, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 11:37 AM

above remarks from Jan Brewer on FOX


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barak, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 11:55 AM

If more bombs are found that fit the MO of the Trump enemy of the people list, I would expect more targets like the NYT, Washington Post and Debbie Wasserman Shultz whose name appears as the return address on the bombs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barak, Hillary...
From: DMcG
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 12:03 PM

Yes, being refused service in a restaurant is an exact parallel to a bomb in the post.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barak, Hillary...
From: Mossback
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 12:05 PM

Obviously false flag operations placed by crisis actors paid for by Soros himself (Bearded Bruce will explain) or by Radical Liberals (Joe Offer will explain.

Fake bombs, fake news, Heil Trump!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barak, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 12:15 PM

I had that chess thought but baiting Bruce serves no purpose.


I had a very minor role in the unibomber case. The fact that part of the address was computer printed is a good clue. Few people know that that their printer makes a tracable code on their copies.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barak, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 12:46 PM

A bomb sent to Eric Holder was returned due to an incorrect address. A bomb sent c/o Brennan was also incorrect and even incorrect for CNN. The misuse of google makes a pattern.

Black powder is being called a rudimentary device - as well as address research.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barak, Hillary...
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 01:09 PM

FYI...

"In a statement, the White House condemned “the attempted violent attacks.”

“These terrorizing acts are despicable, and anyone responsible will be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law,” the statement said. “The United States Secret Service and other law enforcement agencies are investigating and will take all appropriate actions to protect anyone threatened by these cowards.” "

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"The news of the devices set off a small wave of false reports. Some media outlets reported that a similar device had been addressed to President Trump at the White House, until the Secret Service debunked the account. An hour or so later, a similar report emerged that a device had been sent to Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo of New York, but his spokesman, Richard Azzopardi said on Twitter that it was “untrue.”

Early this month, federal authorities said they intercepted multiple packages suspected of containing the lethal substance ricin, addressed to President Trump and at least two top Pentagon officials."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/three-explosive-devices-sent-to-clintons-obama-and-cnn-offices/ar-BBOPm1p?ocid=ientp


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barak, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 01:14 PM

The attempted assasination or maiming of two Presidents and a cabinate member including mass media and donors, as Biden would say "This is a big fucking deal".

In addition to pipe bombs White powder is being analyzed. Ground up castor bean seeds are poisonous but is not Ricin. Given the lack of evident sophistication, I would not expect ricin.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 01:58 PM

So, Donuel,

I'll mark you down as agreeing with Trump on this one.

"In a statement, the White House condemned “the attempted violent attacks.”

“These terrorizing acts are despicable, and anyone responsible will be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law,” the statement said. “The United States Secret Service and other law enforcement agencies are investigating and will take all appropriate actions to protect anyone threatened by these cowards.” "


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Mossback
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 02:17 PM

Holy Shit. I was kidding but the Trumpist Assholes are serious!

Minutes after news broke of “potential explosive devices” being mailed to the homes of former Presidents Barack Obama and Bill Clinton, along with CNN’s New York City studio, the dark corners of the conservative Internet were declaring it a plot to gin up empathy for Democrats.

Cries that the bomb threats was merely a “false flag” operation were evident on Twitter and pro-Trump forums.

Popular talk radio host Rush Limbaugh hinted that the attempted bombings were set-up by Democrats, saying they would serve a political “purpose.”

Frank Gaffney, an Islamophobe who has held posts on Sen. Ted Cruz’s (R-TX) presidential campaign and in the Ronald Reagan White House, suggested the packages were a “deflection” technique. “. “So let’s determine not only who is responsible for these bombs, but whether they were trying to deflect attention from the Left’s mobs.”

John Cardillo, a former NYPD officer and popular right-wing radio host, initially denounced political violence on both sides of the aisle, but quickly broadcast his skepticism that the threats were legit. “Just too coincidental that two weeks before Election Day... explosive devices show up in the mailboxes of Soros, Clinton, and Obama.”


https://www.thedailybeast.com/pro-trump-media-insists-bomb-threats-against-clinton-obama-cnn-are-pure-bs-a-false-flag

"In a statement, the White House condemned “the attempted violent attacks.”

You mean the violent attacks instigated and supported by Agent Orange's and his cultists' hate speech, dontcha Bruce?

Besides, the POSOTUS & Vice-POSOTUS can't open their mouths without lying- so who gives a shit what they say?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 02:27 PM

Mossback,

"You mean the violent attacks instigated and supported by Agent Orange's and his cultists' hate speech, dontcha Bruce?"

No, I do not.

The hate speech I am seeing is from the anti-Trump bigots, who tell everyone else what they must be thinking. Maybe you should look at what people post instead of assuming everyone is as much a partisan ass-hole as you appear to be.


'Besides, the Anti-Trump Assholes can't open their mouths without lying- so who gives a shit what they say?'

Adds just as much to the conversation as the majority of your posts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Mossback
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 02:40 PM

The hate speech I am seeing is from the anti-Trump bigots

Which raises the question about the folks beating this particular drum:

1- are they simply partisan warriors?

2- are they mindless Trump Cultists who simply block out reality?

3- are they Christian[sic] fundies who support this anti-Christian POS          for political reasons in support of a theocracy only?

4-are they simply deaf and blind?

5- all of the above.

(extra credit awarded for actually raaading & understanding the U.S. Constitution & Bill of Rights)


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 03:15 PM

well, whatever the truth - this represents a deterioration in the climate of democracy.

the genie is out of the bottle. NI showed us in this country, it can be tricky and beyond anyone's control getting it back in the bottle.

good luck to you all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 03:15 PM

well, whatever the truth - this represents a deterioration in the climate of democracy.

the genie is out of the bottle. NI showed us in this country, it can be tricky and beyond anyone's control getting it back in the bottle.

good luck to you all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 03:15 PM

Mossback the reason why you had satirical but correct thoughts about the reaction from the right is because they are simplistic conspiracy theories which are no more complex than a double negative.

Bruce you are well aware of my defense of you and your right to speak on many dozens of occasions. Tracing those examples are found mostly in threads that have been closed.

The blowback in the election can not be determined but it is indelible.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 03:16 PM

that's odd - I only hit the button once.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 03:45 PM

The conservative Supreme Court ruled that money is free speech and that Corporations are people invested with all the Constitutional rights of a human being.
Yes it sounds crazy but its true.

'If' explosives are a form of speech we will not know what the bomber is saying until the trigger device is known.

Are they saying "See I could have killed you" or is the message "I want you to die and believe only what Trump says at rallies, never thinking for myself".

Or is the bomber saying, "Boo!"   ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: robomatic
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 04:22 PM

I don't mean to overinflate my importance but I had a minor role in a thread started by 5 consectuive Don'l posts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 04:44 PM

Mossback: huh???

It sounds like you're trying to insult me, but it's not clear what point you're trying to make.

I'm a moderate. I'm sorry if that makes you not like me.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Mossback
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 05:26 PM

Mr. Offer:

I don't like you or dislike you, Mr Offer, I don't know you.

But I DO remember you repeatedly damning "radical liberals" for causing all manner of unpleasantness and maintaining that (to paraphrase) that no-one is as good or as bad as people see them.

I assume that this particular observation of yours includes the piece of lying, corrupt, racist crap currently polluting the White House (with his gang of corrupt criminals) and making the U.S. the laughingstock of the world.

If so, you're not a moderate, you're an apologist for the Trumpist arseholes that are taking the U.S. down the toilet.

I'm sorry if confronting you with these facts makes you not like me.

Cheers,

Bill


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Jack Campin
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 05:53 PM

This is presumably just the start. Some Democrats are going to take seats at the mid-terms: some of the new representatives will be murdered. What then?

American history says that assassination works. The black liberation movement never recovered from the killing of Martin Luther King; the Kennedy killings changed a lot. And Trump's Freikorps are going to keep on killing, they won't stop till they have control of the legislature again or have rendered it ineffectual.

Hail the Great Khan.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 05:55 PM

SO,

"the piece of lying, corrupt, racist crap" is just fine, but when facts are presented, they get removed.


Typical Leftist ( NOT LIBERAL) actions- when you cannot find flaw in the facts, remove the post so it looks like the Leftist "piece of lying, corrupt, racist crap" has the last word.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Mossback
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 06:05 PM

"the piece of lying, corrupt, racist crap" is just fine, but when facts are presented, they get removed.

No, Bruce- the piece of lying, corrupt, racist crap IS the fact that you choose to ignore along with the rest of the members of the fact-averse Trumpist Cult.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 06:14 PM

Wrong again. My post was factual, and supported- and now you don't need to admit you support rapists and traitors, since it was removed. Nice way to win your point- NOT.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Mossback
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 06:35 PM

Absolutely, Bruce - your post is supported by Q-Anon, Alex Jones, Infowars, Breitbart and the rest of the lying lunatic assholes that infest the U.S. body politic like a suppurating sore.

and thanks to the Mods for removing absolute bullshit - much appreciated)


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 06:43 PM

Stay on the subject of the bombs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 07:22 PM

I see that SRS has decided who gets to express themselves. So long- hope you have fun belling the cat, when you won't even talk to people who do not agree with you.

What I have come to expect from the Non-Liberal Left here.
    Stick to the subject, Bruce. You were getting off into posts that had nothing to do with the bombs we're talking about. I deleted one post from you, one from Mossback, and one from Donuel. All were off-topic.
    -Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 07:38 PM

I could take my ball and go home, but its not my ball and I'm already home.

Professional spin artists continue to equate verbal admonishments in public to mail bombs. We can judge them for ourselves.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Mossback
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 07:44 PM

You raise an interesting point, Donuel-

But how does one distinguish between one who is hypnotized and one who is simply a self-important, ignorant arsehole?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 08:20 PM

*Insight*   

yes

THEY ARE BOTH   When we marginalize the inefficient and ineffective people of mediocre talent and bind them further with political correctness you end up with many people who become employable only under a Trump scale of loyalty, greed and defense contractors.

Anger and the big lie were the left - right combination punch by Hitler.
My Struggle and the art of the deal differ in that one was actually written by the author.


What we know:

The prudent thing is to not pre judge without facts. The Hate list of Trump are the 'criminal' Democrats in general and the very recent democratic statements made by each of the individuals targeted.


Also a fake Isis flag and silhouetted women as seen on truck mudflaps appear on the black powder pipe bombs.
I mentioned Biden earlier, who is now the newest recipient of the serial pipe bombs. The talking heads for Trump are in unison pre judging the bombs as a hoax.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 08:25 PM

If I were to pre judge ;^/ I suspect a trio of cretins from Kansas.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 09:41 PM

"From Washington to New York to Florida, where a congresswoman who is the former chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee has her office, the authorities intercepted a wave of crudely built devices that were contained in manila envelopes."
New York Times information piece.

"Trump appropriately denounced “acts or threats of political violence of any kind.” But it’s fair to ask: If a person who assaults a journalist is Trump’s “guy,” might not some unstable person think that, by sending a pipe bomb to a news organization, he, too, is being Trump’s guy?"
Washington Post opinion piece.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Iains
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 03:25 AM

So far all the bombs sent have been duds.
They have all been sent to Democrats or their staunch supporters.
The mid term elections are very close.

I suspect there is more to this than meets the eye.

Who benefits?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: DMcG
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 06:51 AM

So far all the bombs sent have been duds.
They have all been sent to Democrats or their staunch supporters.
The mid term elections are very close.

I suspect there is more to this than meets the eye.

Who benefits?


I hope you willing be willing to retract that if any go off.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 06:55 AM

QUI Bene' ? The Iains argument Is the crux of Fox news reporting.

None of them went off so its "not us".
It's too amateurish so its not us
Its not a real bomb
It is NOT terrorist, it is terror-istic since no one died.

Could this be a red herring? yes
Does this ENERGIZE DEMOCRATS TO VOTE?
I do not see it, do you.




CORRECTION I have heard nothing further about Biden.




I heard the tone of voice when Trump said this was bad. It was a monotone drone of disinterest that was the same voice he used when he apologized for the Charlottesville Nazis.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 07:08 AM

Does this discourage Democrats to Vote?


How can you be sure either way?


D'Niro is the latest to have a package removed by bomb squad.


Qui bene' is a worthless argument


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Iains
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 07:26 AM

Cui bono may be a worthless argument in your view, but many others are asking the same question.

and the midterm wave according to some is but a ripple.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 07:30 AM

The truth is that nobody benefits and everybody loses because, irrespective of who is behind these attacks (and they are attacks, make no mistake), they undermine and damage the political process in what claims to be a democratic nation. Not only that, what happens in the US today happens elsewhere tomorrow, or the day after, or the day after that, so democracy and political process in other countries are certain to be so undermined.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 07:36 AM

Mossback made me think. Without final investigation the idea of Fake news and Fake bombs makes me believe this is a further attack on the media and not the individuals per se.

The enemy of the people is not journalism but the forces that seek to destroy journalism and journalists.
This is an attack on our democracy and on Trump critics

Call the attack ham-handed if you like but think for yourself, if you can. The Free Press protects everyone but dictators.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Iains
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 07:53 AM

I would agree that democracy suffers. Regardless of who may be responsible for the "suspicious Packages" the timing is such that it is a crude attempt to intimidate or manipulate the electorate for the midterm elections.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 08:09 AM

Robert De Nero has been sent one of Trump's exploding love-messages - thankfully, like most of the things associated with Trump, it didn't work
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 10:03 AM

With no trigger device and a vestigial timer the bomb says it is only meant to cause fear and chaos.

Sorry about jumping the gun by 12 hours about Biden.


Where is the device at NYT?? Their mailroom is an antiquated mess.
I saw it decades ago.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 10:32 AM

A cake of two-year-old Ye Sheng Gucha tea costs 260 yuan (about £18), while the 13-year-old tea sells for 1,800 yuan. "It'll double in price in two years,"


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 11:14 AM

With the deletions, my price of tea in China joke is moot.
I usually do not see the invisible moving hand


Too soon for jokes but if you did not get a bomb you are not an up and coming Democrat.

I did manage a laugh when FOX news reported that all the rock stars of the Republican Party came to Wisconsin tonight like Scott Walker.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 11:17 AM

Those parcels appear to be small enough they may go through the Post Office "Informed Delivery" system - I read in the NY Times that the postal authorities were searching for photos of more bomb parcels that way. As part of the sorting process all mail passes over a scanner that sorts and directs it. This process captures a photo of each piece, so someone at the post office had the bright idea of letting people know what was headed their way if they wish to sign up for the free service.

I use Informed Delivery - ever since learning about it a few weeks ago I check and see if there is anything at my post office box, saving me a trip if there is nothing of consequence there. So far I've used it by going to the site and clicking the Informed Delivery button and it eventually shows me each letter, but it's slow, takes several minutes to locate my few pieces of mail, so searching the whole system is probably a ponderous process. I'll switch to the email notification and it will be there, one more thing cluttering my email box, but easy to open and see. Perhaps the postal inspector headquarters has a few tools for examining size, font, envelope color, etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 01:06 PM

Estimated 10 suspected Trump-bombs so far
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Mossback
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 01:50 PM

Republicans have always been fond of bombs.

I remember John McCain, that "Great American", cheerfully singing "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb bomb Iran" with a smile for the cameras.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Iains
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 02:37 PM

Whether Republicans are fond of bombs or not,it is a little premature to automatically assign ownership. You may end up with egg on your face.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 02:46 PM

Sure, its entirely coincidence that all of the eight people to whom bombs have been sent are democrats of critics of Trump. Its entirely random really. Two to the power eight is 256. Thats a one in 256 chance that if you sent eight bombs to people at random you would get eight Democrats/Liberals/People with more than two brain cells. Who needs statistics anyway, you can always appeal to some mad theory of your mate Staines.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 02:50 PM

i think it might not stop democrats from voting, but if i were a family man, it would stop me from standing up as a spokesman or representative of the democrat party.

it is disingenuous to pretend that this not the result of wild vicious rhetoric by Trump - and uncomplicated people not having the wit to divine that he is just a blowhard.

the parallels with Northern Ireland are terrifying for those of us who remember the late '60's when Paisley was on the news every bight denouncing the perfidy of England selling his side out, and the wickedness of the Catholics.

Possibly Ian Paisley didn't understand the price Ireland would pay for his ranting> To my mind, he never apologised or regretted it. No more will the Trump voters.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 02:51 PM

Considering the targets, TRUMP'S SUPPORTERS and the direction American Politics seem to have taken, it's quite unlikely to be anybody else
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 03:43 PM

With that informed tech the grapeline is mumbling about the bombs coming from Florida.

I think Florida with all the election trouble they have caused should be detached. If I had a saw big enough I'd let Florida float away after giving retirees an advanced heads up.

"hey Murry! we're headed to AZ, are you coming or are you going to Cuba?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: meself
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 03:45 PM

Where's the Bobbit woman when you need her?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 04:03 PM

Good one meself. Here is my opinion in Reader Digest format;

The racism driving this civil war is at the root of America's woes.

Once Hospitals were integrated the racists went rabid.

Equal voting rights really burnt their cookies.

The reversal of voting rights has embolded the secret heart racists and Trump tickles their fancy.

This is definately not the home of the brave with so many scared White people.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 04:55 PM

We are not boiling frogs yet but every Democrat is now being dehumanized.

Think about how you are portrayed as dangerous or part of a mob.
Yep a mobster says you are insane and part of the walking dead.

Maybe you said nothing when some one down the street was deported but now they are coming for you first by name calling and then dehumanization.

The practice of MS 13 in South America is to first extort victims until they kill them when nothing is left to take. When a Trump critic is first dehumanized and the Justice dept becomes a tool of the President it is easy to eradicate dissent.

Like global warming it is too late to avoid great harm. The Trump train has left the station and is headed to extremism we never thought could be possible again.

I hate fear mongering but it works and is becoming more real.
Tacit permission has been given and you need to watch your back.

More Americans are subject to right wing terrorism and MURDER than international terrorism. The Big Lie can do ANYTHING. I say USE THE BIG LIE FOR GOOD. Others disagree with me on this crucial point.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 05:44 PM

We have them here too Donuel.

For instance Stewart Jackson.

And just to prove that you don't have to be white to be a right wing dickhead, Syed Kamall.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Mossback
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 05:58 PM

Think about how you are portrayed as dangerous or part of a mob.

Seems I recall someone here going on about dangerous "radical liberals".

Now who was that.......................Mr. Offer, perhaps?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 07:30 PM

Let me blow you a kiss, Mossback: B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-r-r-r-r-a-a-a-a-k!!!

But yeah, I think there are "radical liberals" who go too far, who are so convinced of their righteousness that they may even resort to violence to compel others to submit to their ideology. Both sides have their extremes.


And some people are just assholes.


I don't think we can blame the right for these bombs, even though they appear to have been sent out in the name of the right. Neither can we blame the left for the antifa rioters. Some on "the right" have taken to referring to BLM-antifa, lumping Black Lives Matter with the antifa people, and thus labeling Black Lives Matter as a violent organization. Not fair, and not true.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 07:38 PM

In Islam, Baraka or Barak (Arabic: ?????) is a kind of continuity of spiritual presence and revelation that begins with God and flows through that and those closest to God. Baraka can be found within physical objects, places, and people, as chosen by God


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 08:01 PM

Joe is one who objects to my creating the BIG LIE FOR GOOD.
I don't think he realizes how well it works or the hypnotic psycho neuro linguistic processing at its foundation.

I am reminded of the many investigations I was subjected to because old Mossback administrators could not wrap their head around a person using hypnosis for absolute good.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 08:34 PM

There are many voters who believe that there are grey areas in every issue; Priests raping children, child separation, media as an enemy, Losing Allies, tariffs, no global warming, no health care for poor, Kavanaugh, no women's rights …


I do not see these grey areas. I can not conceive of these grey areas. However for those who do see grey areas, it does not make them evil.
They could be cowards or saving their ass or misinformed or an asshole.
But not evil. [:^/


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 10:36 PM

Well, Donuel, I don't understand you half the time, but I like you. You know how to disagree with me without attacking the jugular.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Iains
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 03:33 AM

Time for a recap:
1)No bomb has exploded
2)The clock shown in photos of a bomb has no alarm function
3)Would the authorities really be so dumb as to allow close up photographs and xrays of a viable device to be displayed for all and sundry to copy?
4a)Authorities are still "uncertain" whether the devices were poorly designed or never intended to cause physical harm.
4b)They are also analysing the innards of the crude devices that were sent through the mail, to try to work out whether they were intended to detonate or simply sow fear two weeks before US mid-term elections.
5) 10 devices sent=all duds. That tells a lot in my book.

This shouts false flag and scare tactics.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 03:45 AM

"This shouts false flag and scare tactics."
False news - oh dear?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 03:50 AM

Iains, are you really trying to justify this on the grounds that the bombs would not, and maybe were never intended to, detonate? Its not as bad as actually killing someone, I give you that, but it is still an attempt to intimidate, and totally abhorrent.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Iains
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 04:03 AM

"but it is still an attempt to intimidate, and totally abhorrent.

For once we agree. It is a very real threat to democracy.

Where on earth do you get the idea that I need to justify the events. I merely point out facts and logical deductions. A scientific training has its advantages of being able to carry out independent analysis and not be lead by the nose bt the MSM,like many posting here

Whoever is responsible needs to be caught and incarcerated. The only false news so far is the automatic hysterical assumption, by many posting, that the POTUS is responsible.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 04:42 AM

Nobody is suggesting that he made the bombs and posted them. But it is the atmosphere created by his inflammatory rhetoric which has led to his supporters, or people who see themselves as his supporters, being emboldened to do such a thing. If you are trying to say that its people on the left (in an American context) doing this, then you are away with the faries.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 04:55 AM

Two (fake news!!) bombs to Joe Biden
They appear to be coming from Florida
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Iains
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 05:09 AM

You can make any kind of analysis.It could be left, right, Russiam, Chinese. At this stage no one knows. We are close to the mid term elections, Trump's popularity is high for this stage of a Presidency.
I would suggest the timing of these events is to influence the electorate, possibly generating a sympathy vote for democrats. So the question must be asked again = who benefits?
Very clearly it is supposed to suggest Republican guilt, but realistically does that make any kind of sense when subjected to rational analysis?
If a deranged individual was trying to make some kind of statement I suspect at least a few of the devices would have exploded. The fact that none have exploded(and seem to have been incapable of exploding)
suggests someone is playing mind games. The fact both photographs and xrays of the devices have been placed in the MSM suggests all is not what it is supposed to be.
At some stage the person/s guilty will be identified. I would suggest it could be a real revelation when it happens.
American politics is in a very dirty place at the moment with extremists on both sides. This slide into the slime has been caused by Democrats refusing to accept their golden girl did not take the Presidency and they have been resorting to every trick in the book to
stifle Trump's Presidency. Is this another of their dirty tricks?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 05:33 AM

Legal ramifications:

Domestic acts of terror are not prosecuted under terrorism laws which are reserved only for international acts of terror. Instead the perpetrators are eventually charged with conspiracy or other laws but not terrorism a in the Mura Bld. bombing by Tim McVeigh

The device is considered to be a firearm legally (I know its weird) whether -it works- or not.

There are other legal inconsistencies that can even make a bottle rocket a WMD. Flammability is a key factor in defining a bomb such as butane which is considered more dangerous than gunpowder..

Law can be quirky but the bottom line is don't expect stiff sentences.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 05:44 AM

For Joe: What I implying here is that depending upon how good a lawyer the bad actors have, they may not be found guilty of a criminal act.
However they could be found guilty of postal infractions.


This is looking 'cleverer and cleverer'


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 05:50 AM

Trump and his administration are dysfunctional, misogynistic, anti-democratic right wing thus who draw their support from the dregs of American society
His Dr Strangelove Presidency is a caricature of a caricature
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 06:13 AM

Homeland Security is silent on the bomb issue but are very vocal about the Caravan of brown poor people who are walking to America and could arrive at the border as soon as Christmas.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Iains
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 06:50 AM

Homeland Security is silent on the bomb issue. That is because it is under the remit of the FBI!


https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/10/25/statement-dhs-secretary-kirstjen-m-nielsen-recent-mail-bombs

https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/terrorism


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 09:08 AM

Corey Booker is the latest person to receive a mail bomb, or as FOX reports a 'suspicious package'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 09:16 AM

Joe is a retired government civil servant and an active volunteer for the homeless who has sacrificed for his religion and is an avid sight seer. Of course he is also the mother hen who breaks up squabbles on Mudcat at times.

What's not to like? You would root for him if he were on Wheel of Fortune. I do not know about his musicianship but I imagine it is quite knowledgeable.


As always I could be wrong :^/


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 09:27 AM

Now James Clapper is honored with a pipe bomb of his own.
(Or as FOX says a suspicious package)


How do you think Trump is reacting to each package?
I picture the Grinch uncontrollably chuckling to himself wiggling his fingers with glee and revenge. He must be so happy his honor's avenged.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Mossback
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 10:10 AM

Mr Offer: But yeah, I think there are "radical liberals" who go too far...

Yes, but who are the dangerous, dastardly radical liberals posting to this forum that you complain of?


... who are so convinced of their righteousness that they may even resort to violence to compel others to submit to their ideology.

Please cite incidences of these acts of violence perpetrated by "radical liberals" in the U.S. over, say, the last decade.

Thanks,

Bill
    Can't think of dangerous, dastardly radicals on either the left or right who post to this forum. In the U.S., I think it's safe to say that the Antifa radicals who disrupted peaceful demonstrations are clearly violent and claim to be on the left. So what's your point?
    -Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 10:59 AM

I would suggest the timing of these events is to influence the electorate, possibly generating a sympathy vote for democrats. So the question must be asked again = who benefits?

That's the spin a conservative would place on these acts of terrorism.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 11:34 AM

Ha Ha, see I told you your 'who benefits' argument was nonsense.
The guy arrested is an all Trump all the time nationalist fan/warrior.
Assuming he did it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: meself
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 12:07 PM

Of course, if the suspect proves to be the perp - he'll never admit that it was the evil George Soros who put him up to it, will he? His very denial will be all the proof I need that the Democrats conspired to blow themselves up - but being Democrats, were too incompetent to do it right. MAGA (Make America Go Assbackwards)!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 12:08 PM

New York Times
Federal authorities made an arrest on Friday in connection with the nationwide bombing campaign against outspoken critics of President Trump, a significant breakthrough in a case that has gripped the country in the days leading up to the midterm elections.

It was not immediately clear who had been taken into custody, but a man was arrested in Florida, three law-enforcement officials said. One of them said the man was in his 50s.


Washington Post
A law enforcement official said the person in custody was a man in his 50s. According to another person familiar with the investigation, this man lives in Florida near a facility which the packages were mailed through. It remains unclear if this man acted alone or had help, this person said.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 12:12 PM

His van, allegedly, is covered with Trump stickers. Obviously insane.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: meself
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 12:17 PM

Good one!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 12:34 PM

RawStory article. You may have to click through the popup screen asking you to turn off ad blockers (I already have, actually, so it's perturbing that it still pops up).
Law enforcement officials arrested a man in Florida, identified as Cesar Sayoc, in connection to the 12 mail bombs sent to lawmakers and public officials Friday.

For a brief moment, cable news broadcast a blurry image of a white van thought to belong to the suspect, before law enforcement covered it with a tarp. A resident of Florida later sent an image of the van to CBS Miami, which clearly showed the vehicle was covered in pro-Trump stickers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 12:35 PM

So he was a registered Republican? Who could possibly have suspected that?

Or maybe he is actually a Democrat sleeper who registered Republican to fool people. Damn, they are a sneaky lot, these Democrats.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 12:35 PM

Its a false window decal operation now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 12:41 PM

Another photo shows that the officials overseeing this arrest are US Postal Police.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 01:01 PM

Prosecutors will want to throw the book at the guy but they better be careful. The most they can get is possesion of bomb componets and manufacture.
All the guy has to prove is that he only meant to scare and made sure it could not explode, and he could beat other charges such as WMD production. All that legal stuff is probably a year from now.

Auto Zone is getting lots of free advertising as they are questioned by the FBI.
Good job all around getting the guy or conspirators.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Iains
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 01:58 PM

Can anyone link to a clear photograph of the van. The only photo I have seen is out of focus and the slogans cannot be read or the person included in the slogans identified.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 02:15 PM

And now we know from here that the man arrested is a registered republican. So now we know, these people are no better than UK tories. And Aneurin Bevan had tories down to a tee. "Lower than vermin". Describes tories, and apparently also US republicans perfectly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Mossback
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 02:17 PM

So now we know, these people are no better than UK Tories

Well, I dunno about that - as despicable as the Tories are, can't recall them sending bombs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Iains
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 02:18 PM

Well Mr carter if you have such clear photos perhaps you would care to elucidate instead of smart answers. All the photos I have seen are blurred and when blown up are even more blurred. I cannot read any of the posters. If I could, I would not ask for a link now, would I?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Mossback
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 02:24 PM

OK clown, here you go since you're incapable of doing this yourself:

https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5bd343d7210000de03c98c5a.jpeg?ops=scalefit_720_noupscale


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 02:25 PM

Thats quite a feat of digital image processing Iains "blurred and when blown up even more blurred".


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Mossback
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 02:30 PM

Sorry, David, I should have been more specific.

I was talking about political opponents - not those considered by the Tories to be wogs and untermenschen.

Cheers,

Bill


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 02:40 PM

Of course if your aim is to heat things up you could always put stuff in the mail.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 02:45 PM

That being said Bill is my kind of Democrat


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 03:50 PM

Trump now says "we must never allow political violence to take root in America". Which is a fundamental misunderstanding of his country's history. What the hell does he think the Boston Tea Party was?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 04:40 PM

The voices of our President and Republican Congress regarding the partisan bomb threats are rising in a united clarion call of ABDICATION.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Thompson
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 05:24 PM

The Boston Tea Party wasn't political violence, it was fiscal sabotage.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Jeri
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 05:43 PM

The whole thing is so strange. First, Trump condemns the bombing, and political violence, then he's back to "lock her up" and his usual language. Is he so disconnected, that he can't understand he's setting the tone of it all? (I know: stupid question)


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 06:15 PM

I was joking with my wife and said, "He lives in a van    down by the river".
When a npr report said 'Apparently the perpetrator lives in a van down by the river. (remembering Chris Farley fondly)


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: SamStone
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 06:16 PM

who suggested violence should be directed towards the dems and the press...just sayin'


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Mossback
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 06:52 PM

Strange Jeri?

Hardly.

Trump being the ne plus ultra of lying scumbag bullshit artists, what else would one expect?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 07:22 PM

The conspiracy theorists have proof of a double false flag.
Warning this is a typical right wing blog https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/190903469/


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Thompson
Date: 27 Oct 18 - 02:18 AM

A male stripper is accused. Wait for the jokes to land…


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: robomatic
Date: 27 Oct 18 - 02:26 AM

I do like the van down by the river analogy, but this guy is just a wacko, the van looked to be relatively clean, just totally bandaged in bumperstickers and posters.

And let us not forget that a gun-totin' wacko shot p a group of Republican elected officials just practising their baseball last year, and one of them was wounded most painfully.

This seems to be being handled by professionals who know how to do their business. And the AM radio idjits are just being themselves.

World Series still tied and going into the bottom of the 15th Inning. Now THAT STUFF IS IMPORTANT!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 27 Oct 18 - 09:41 AM

Well we were promised swift justice.

And he looks the kind of guy who would enjoy speaking from the witness stand.

The thing is, how can you blame a simpleton who has been told by the President that these people have tried to do down his country?

Well obviously you can, Bill Clinton famous got a guy eletrocuted who thought he was sharing the death cell with imaginary chickens, because he thought it would upset the wanker vote to reprieve him.

Still....I wouldn't be surprised if this one is adjudged mentally incompetent to plead. It would save a lot of red faces if he was prevented from getting his day in court.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Oct 18 - 10:04 AM

That may be but my contention is 20% will never believe it and another 20% will be uncertain.


Have you ever seen a hypnotist tell someone on stage that they have entirely forgotten the number 7 and later they are asked to count to ten and they go from ..4 5 6 to 8.. without hesitation?
THAT IS EASY
It is as though not believing something is a natural state of mind for half of us. The smaller 20% can follow suggestions that create a novel behavior or a newly imagined order.

Not believing the number 7 exists, blocking a memory, causes a person to make up an easily accepted excuse ( a conspiracy theory) to rationalize their experience.
I was trained for over two years and self discovered hypnotic truths for 12 years. You have heard me say hypnosis and politics is just one example of how odd we may behave in special circumstances.


It does not matter how bizarre a -lie- , there are people who will believe it. Priests and doctors are sometimes aware of this.


In light of how 'crazy' conspiracies can be, I hope you can see how they do exist in a new light and perspective.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Oct 18 - 11:49 AM

NPR reported that his family has been distressed by this man's mental state for decades, that they weren't able to get him the medical and psychiatric attention he needed (he refused). His stance and noise are totally in opposition to the views of the rest of his family - sounds like he's acting out in a couple of ways here. Someone from the family suggested he's a child in a man's body.


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Subject: RE:BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Oct 18 - 11:55 AM

https://www.ranker.com/list/american-militia/mike-rothschild
   
There are many such folks


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Mossback
Date: 27 Oct 18 - 12:20 PM

First Lady Melania Trump on Twitter:


    "My heart breaks over the news out of #Pittsburgh. The violence needs to stop. May God bless, guide & unite the United States of America."


Lady, talk to your fucking husband. And the fucking NRA.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: SamStone
Date: 27 Oct 18 - 03:42 PM

on a scale of 1 to 10 how sincere is trump when he says that he will tone down the rhetoric...but remember it is the media causing the problems and somehow teflon don will never admit that he is in any small way to blame...what as a country have we become. is it possible to sink much lower? remember the "1st lady"(sic) is bought and paid for.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Oct 18 - 03:56 PM

When Trump unequivocably proclaimed I am a Nationalist, over and over That was the signal to loose the dogs of hell and white Nationalists to show their strength. He will say what he needs to say to popularize himself with any wider base. He will not cancel more rallies but will increase them. He says mass shooters will pay the ultimate price but nothing of the victims. When asked how this will stop he said 'they' didn't have any security they wanted to save costs.

It has come to mind half the people on mudcat have associations with nationalism from the time they were kids. It lives within them either silently or as an old normality. Some are practically rabid.

So the real killing now begins. This year the 247 mass shootings have passed a threshold. I have warned directly and obliquly for 20 years with a fist and make no mistake, I won't be missed but I can not associate with the nationalists here.
I was last in line when they dispensed smart,
So in consolation I was given a talent to see beyond and around corners, Now there is nothing left to warn about and my talent is worn out,
The future will be read as history and the warnings are a waste.
All good things must end and the gifts will be swallowed by rifts.
As the right moves from aspirational to operational, friends will be set adrift,
It was not the best way to touch lives but it was my way.
The time to go has now arrived I told you so, now I must go away.
The uncaring cheers may be silence but not knowing where you are going will not save you from war.
For those with an old heart of gold, be well be bold.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Oct 18 - 04:31 PM

For the record, he said he WOULDN'T "tone it down".
I suppose you can't let the right wing nut jobs have all the fun with hate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Oct 18 - 05:53 AM

Now that executive permission has been given to kill/massacre Jews, we hear more silence here than voices and even some of those inside voices support white nationalism. You don't need names to see who the are.

There are no grey areas in hate


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Mossback
Date: 29 Oct 18 - 09:11 AM

Someone from the family suggested he's a child in a man's body.

So is Trump.


how sincere is trump when he says that he will tone down the rhetoric

As Jeri points out, he said no such thing. But even if he had, he's a lying sack of shit, so it would make no difference.

BAMA = Bomb Amerika Great Again.

Heil Trump!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: leeneia
Date: 31 Oct 18 - 10:30 AM

If he was a child in a man's body, why aren't investigators asking who gave him the idea, the names and titles of victims, their addresses, and most importantly, how to assemble a bomb?

His bombs were packaged so naively, they might as well have had big writing that said "Caution, contains bomb."

I see this too often - a perp who is mentally handicapped, who commits crimes past his abilities, and nobody asks who put him up to it. Who planted the motive and taught him the method?

The criminal at Margery Stoneman Douglas high school was so helpless he could not operate a microwave or clothes washer. Who gave him the idea of by-passing school security by entering the school against the flow at dismissal time?

The truck driver who attacked Jews in Pittsburgh told police that Jews are committing genocide against his people. Who gave him that idea? The guy was too stupid to figure out a back door out of the building. Who taught him the word genocide?

As much as I despise our current President, he is not the one who taught Cesar Seyoc to make bombs. It is time to find out who, why and how malefactors are exploiting the mentally handicapped.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Jeri
Date: 31 Oct 18 - 10:40 AM

Where are you getting the idea that these people are mentally handicapped?
Please give references, because I can't find them. Ill, probably, handicapped, not so much.

Trump encourages violence.
Period.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: leeneia
Date: 31 Oct 18 - 01:04 PM

"Couldn't operate the microwave."
"Was a child in a man's body."

Bowers - when police approached he ran upstairs and hid in a room - a dead end, rather than running out a door and into a waiting car.   

How else would you describe such minds?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Mossback
Date: 31 Oct 18 - 02:13 PM

who gave him [Sayoc] the idea...who put him up to it. Who planted the motive.

Easy! Trump & his violence-supporting Republican/Trumpist enablers & supporters.

who taught Cesar Seyoc to make bombs.

Any one of dozens- if not hundreds- of websites. The information is freely available. Another benefit of the Internet.

The truck driver who attacked Jews in Pittsburgh told police that Jews are committing genocide against his people. Who gave him that idea?

Well, Trump himself to begin with, or his officials/buddies Steve Bannon, Sebastian Gorka, Doug Domenech, Jon Feere, Julie Kirchner,Teresa Manning, Shannon Royce, Charmaine Yoest, or from any of Trump's "Very Fine Nazis" in Charlottesville & elsewhere and from their numerous anti semitic and/or white supremecist websites, from Brietbart, from Qanon- the sources are endless - and the vast majority of them inspired and energized by or approved of by Trump.

Does that help?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Oct 18 - 04:13 PM

I do monitor the Jew hating websites and even visited the one the gunman posted on prior to the shooting.
The Tree of Life Synagogue supports Hebrew Immigration Aid Society. HIAS. The gunman sees Jews helping Immigrants into "HIS' country.

You could look at extreme sites too if you have the stomach for it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Nov 18 - 03:23 PM

HAIS is old. It started in the 19th century to help Jews enter the US


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Nov 18 - 04:03 PM

The first boots on the ground hot war in the Trump era is 15,000 troops who he says will fire on asylum seekers if
They throw anything at US. I call it the Great Taco War.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Nov 18 - 04:05 PM

He could be lying. He could be insane.


But he is both.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Nov 18 - 09:16 AM

He's just BLESSED BARBED WIRE
- doubt if even the Pope would do that !!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombs of Oct. sent to Barack, Hillary...
From: SamStone
Date: 04 Nov 18 - 10:07 AM

Please go out and VOTE! We catters can help end this abomination.


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