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BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland

Mossback 10 Nov 18 - 10:48 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Mossback
Date: 10 Nov 18 - 10:48 AM

Better that arseholes like her killed themselves.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 10 Nov 18 - 07:19 AM

Yon lunatic goes from bad to even more illogical!
She has been pictured wearing a self promotional Tshirt saying 'don't let me get your goat' - a percentage of which goes to 'conservation of world's Capra species'!!!!
Better if ars*hol*s like her just stopped killing them?!


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Nov 18 - 11:42 AM

My dad was a keen angler when he was a teenager during WW2;
catching pike and other fish to supplement rationing for the family table
He was also an enthusiastic chemistry set hobbyist maker of explosives and small bombs...

[different standards of health and safety way back in the 1940s...]

All his dreams came true when he witnessed locally stationed American GIs
down at the river fishing with hand grenades...


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 06 Nov 18 - 10:01 AM

pfr
ok, not instant but I'd still go for the bear rather than an hour on a line then being gloated over by some human.
https://youtu.be/TSSPDwAQLXs?t=80s


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Rapparee
Date: 31 Oct 18 - 07:46 PM

How did she get guns and things into Scotland to hunt with? Was it a guided hunt? Did she eat what she killed? Why would she want to do that in the first place?

(I never heard of her before and I'm reasonably well acquainted with the US outdoor scene.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: keberoxu
Date: 31 Oct 18 - 06:43 PM

Stilly River Sage,
I see what you mean --
it DOES look like a bagpipe sticking out of the backpack ...


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Oct 18 - 11:10 AM

And it was August 1930 when the St Kildans abandoned Hirta. The last native St Kilda died a couple of years ago in, I think, Glasgow.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Oct 18 - 11:09 AM

"oops - I think I was mistaken re wild sheep - - when I visited St Kilda I seem to recall the sheep there were left to their own devices presumably since the people left in (1928 or 29?) Think they are studied in the same way as the deer on Rum, but not interfered with in any way - -- "

Those are Soay Sheep, and they do indeed fend for themselves - I found them very skittish and wary of humans when I was on St Kilda, back in my sea-going days. I visited as a member of the crew of a schooner and our Navigator was an ex-Colonel. . The army presence there were reluctant to allow us to land, however upon hearing the ex-Colonel's name, they welcomed us ashore, pointed out the 'good bits' to take a look at, advised us to beware of the Fulmars nesting up on the hill, and entertained us right royally (and alcoholically) that evening in their mess.

Senoufou - St Kilda is a wonderful place, with an amazingly spiritual, 'other-worldly' feel to it. A definite Bucket-List item, if you can possibly manage it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Oct 18 - 10:48 AM

Keberoxu, that's not a bagpipe hanging out in her backpack, is it? She'd be better occupied blowing her own brains out learning to play such an instrument.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Senoufou
Date: 29 Oct 18 - 02:45 PM

Sadly Gallus I'm a bit too long in the tooth to make the journey, and I'd need a rather large bucket as I get terribly seasick just looking at the sea!
I seem to remember that in addition to the unique species there, there's a St Kilda wren found only on the island.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: keberoxu
Date: 29 Oct 18 - 02:05 PM

Larysa Switlyk seems to have an online blog or webpage.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 29 Oct 18 - 01:43 PM

Senofou the Scottish National Trust invites people (members?) to join work parties on St Kilda for I think a couple of weeks, stuff like rebuilding dykes, cottages, cleats (storage hollow cairns). Think the accommodation is in one of the rebuilt houses...
there is no guarantee you will be able to leave when scheduled tho, weather can be unpredictable! and I am not sure how you get transported, it might be a heavy duty rib rather than a luxury cruise ship.
Other ways to visit - find someone with a yacht or other boat that would give you a lift.
book a cruise -- there are some that are short and affordable BUT- - weather means you might not get to land -- !!
There is a day trip form somewhere in Harris, possibly Leverburgh?
Think the only way you can stay overnight (actually on land) is the
NTS work party or to join the military who have a monitoring station there - or maybe become a ranger monitoring the St Kilda mouse, the Soay sheep or the local birds?


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Oct 18 - 01:37 PM

Clapton is probably less likely to claw & bite a huge chunk out of the middle of a his caught fish
and leave the remains of the salmon flapping and gasping to death on the river bank...

Other guitarists might differ...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 29 Oct 18 - 01:18 PM

pfr
actually, I don't get that, why would the Clapton line be preferable to the bear?


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 29 Oct 18 - 01:13 PM

Icelandic bear\Clapton
it looks like bears in Iceland get shot before they get the chance to frighten the salmon
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-36824156


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Senoufou
Date: 29 Oct 18 - 12:15 PM

Oh no, don't get me started on fishing!

Our village is in the centre of several lakes and streams, with a lovely spot in the village centre where there's a tiny bridge and a mill stream.

Anglers come from miles around to dangle sharp baited hooks on lines to catch inedible, beautiful fish which nobody eats. They just throw them back in, presumably with painful wounds in their mouths.

I'm always tempted to push the buggers hard from behind and precipitate them into the Wensum, fishing rods and all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Oct 18 - 10:48 AM

Even if a salmon has never heard of Eric Clapton,
it'd probably prefer to be caught by him than a hungry bear.......


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Oct 18 - 10:43 AM

That fish will NOT go to waste—such great eating! Nothing weird about it! My respect for Clapton just rose another notch. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 29 Oct 18 - 10:22 AM

Eric Clapton looked pretty pleased with himself when he caught this 28lb salmon.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/1576599/eric-clapton-reels-in-whopping-28lb-salmon-in-icelandic-river-and-it-is-the-larges
Fishing seems a bit weird to me too.

Actually, I'd rather be a wild animal shot through the head at 100 metres than caught on a hook or end up in an abatoir queue.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Senoufou
Date: 27 Oct 18 - 03:07 PM

Ugh pfr, how macabre!


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Oct 18 - 03:04 PM

20 odd years ago me and the mrs spent a month randomly tavelling on trains & buses round Czech/Slovakia/Hungary...

Near a lake somewhere well out in rural countryside we found a room for a night in a bed n breakfast
where all the rooms were adorned with dozens of tiny animal heads with antlers...

Ideal creepy setting for a low budget horror movie....


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Senoufou
Date: 27 Oct 18 - 12:41 PM

I'm very jealous of you Gallus! I'd have loved to visit St Kilda.

I fairly recently did a short 6-week course entitled 'The Geology of The Hebrides' and the lecturer had some stunning slides of St Kilda, among many other sites of geological importance.

She also related brief histories of the Isles she dealt with, in both the Inner and Outer Hebrides. St Kilda's population had a very difficult and sad time of it towards the end.

There's so much to fascinate and enchant on the Isles. I can't imagine why anyone would spend their time there blooming killing animals. Moron.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Raedwulf
Date: 27 Oct 18 - 11:37 AM

I may have been demonstrating some Englisc (Anglo-Saxon to you lot) bias... ;-) Relevant to Scotland, Gallus, in the context of the language. A forest, historically, is not necessarily covered in trees. Peculiar though that may sound!

A mildly irreverent tangent to the main theme of "Horrible cow". I've no objection to hunting for vermin / population control or for food. But Trophy Hunting, which is essentially what she is doing? I think I've already expressed my opinion pungently enough!


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Raggytash
Date: 27 Oct 18 - 11:30 AM

William the Bastard was also known, sometimes, as William the Conqueror.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 27 Oct 18 - 10:41 AM

oops - I think I was mistaken re wild sheep - - when I visited St Kilda I seem to recall the sheep there were left to their own devices presumably since the people left in (1928 or 29?) Think they are studied in the same way as the deer on Rum, but not interfered with in any way - --

Raedwulf, not sure who William the Bastard was? A king of England maybe? So not relevant to Scottish history -- but when it comes to any self styled royalty / aristocracy / landowners - -- none of them were elected or appointed by the people - they took power and privilege, have clung onto it ever since. the land and resources belong to the people of that land - or should do! an individual should have no entitlement to vast swathes of country -- imho!

Re the self styled huntress - - I would be just as outraged to see pix of her with a giraffe, lion, elephant lying dead at her feet - or for that matter a bear, elk, bison (are there any left in US?) - there are other ways to test the 'hunting skills eg stalking with a camera, or target and clay pigeon shooting. She and her kind are disgusting - and I very much doubt that she manages to transport the dead creatures back to her home to eat them? Or that she actually consumes many of the species?


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Senoufou
Date: 27 Oct 18 - 10:18 AM

I've also seen other sickening pictures of her with a beautiful peacock (of all things) draped over her. She's completely batshit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Raedwulf
Date: 27 Oct 18 - 10:08 AM

Gallus - Forest law goes back a long, long way, all the way to William the Bastard. The intention was always to protect game for royalty / nobility, and it always applied to where they lived. Which has always been rather more widely than what we understand as forest. So a deer forest isn't necessarily covered in trees, it's just where the deer are!


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Howard Jones
Date: 27 Oct 18 - 09:32 AM

Many will have been upset simply by the sight of beautiful animals being killed, but these animals have no natural predators and will have to be culled from time to time. However this will normally done quietly and professionally. Deer stalking has a long tradition, and makes a significant contribution to the Highland economy. If culling other animals can be made into an opportunity for income, rather than being a cost, there may be a benefit from it.

As others have already said, it is her triumphalism which is particularly offensive. Americans have a very different attitude towards hunting than us in the UK, where it is also mixed up with attitudes towards class. To us, this behaviour definitely grates. However I think Brits have also been surprised and shocked by what she chose to target, which include animals not usually thought of as sporting game. A stag is a noble quarry, once the preserve of kings, but shooting a goat makes her look ridiculous. As for shooting a bloody sheep, that just makes her look stupid.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 27 Oct 18 - 04:29 AM

I don't think there are any officially wild sheep in Scotland, tho there will be an odd one that has escaped being herded in for annual dipping and clipping. As Senofou says the hardier breeds will range freely in the mountains (as happens more dramatically in NZ with their huge flocks of Merino sheep.)
It is somewhat ironic that the horrible person was shooting goats descended from those owned by the runrig crofters before The Clearances, and sheep/ram descended from the animals brought in by landowners, while the people were burned out if their houses and virtually transported to USA. Abd as for deer -Scotland used to be covered by the Great Caledonian Forest and deer were a forest dwelling species .... but it is sooo much easier to shoot them on wide open spaces hence hillsides empty of trees -and people - (but still called 'deer forests'!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Senoufou
Date: 27 Oct 18 - 04:07 AM

They're strictly classed as 'feral' robomatic. They're descended from the original livestock of the crofters before the Highland Clearances obliged the islanders to leave.

They've adapted well to their environment and have survived and bred. (Goats are hardy beasts!)

The sheep may also be descendants of those left behind, or they may belong to farmers. In highland areas, sheep-farmers let their stock roam freely to benefit from a wide grazing range. Sheepdogs are used to round them up when necessary. Most of the sheep have been marked with a coloured dye.

Tourism is an important source of income for the Scots. It's highly dangerous to have psychopathic idiots with high-powered snipers' rifles firing at various animals while folk may be out walking in the open air.

There has been a tragic accident in the Alps recently where a chap on a bike was shot dead by a clown who 'thought he was an animal'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: robomatic
Date: 27 Oct 18 - 03:30 AM

Are those goats even 'wild?' I once hiked up Carrantuohill in Eire and there were sheep, sheep all the way. Any damage to them and the farmer would not have been happy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Senoufou
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 01:02 PM

My friend's son is in a rifle club, and does a lot of clay pigeon shooting and target practice etc. He never kills anything; the point of his hobby is to perfect his aim and skill at hitting the target. He goes in for competitions.

This vile woman must have dozens of huge freezers crammed with meat if what she claims is true (it isn't).


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Raedwulf
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 12:50 PM

Like deer, the goats need to be controlled, one way or another. On the other hand, despite her apparent remarks about the deer being taken back to the chefs to be eaten (which struck me as BS because all meat needs hanging time; you don't cook it immediately unless you have to)…

You kill for two reasons. 1) Vermin control; 2) Food on the table. Sometimes, e.g. rabbits, the 2 are combined. What you don't do is glory in the death of another creature. I am a confirmed omnivore, nature is red in tooth & claw, etc. But you make as much use as you can out of the carcass (food, stock, leather, fur, whatever) out of respect for the life you took.

And you do not glory in the death of another creature, nor seek to glorify yourself in that death. Double fail, Ms Switlyk. What's "hardcore" about knocking off an unsuspecting goat from 200y with a high-powered 'scoped rifle? I'd like to stalk you, Larysa. Once I've taken a few pots at you & maybe put a bullet through your calf or upper arm... Maybe when you know what it's like to be hunted... Maybe then you can claim to be hardcore...


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 12:35 PM

The discussion I heard on Radio Scotland included people who have a vested interest in the hunting, shooting and fishing, and did point out the large monetary contribution this affords to the Scottish economy. And controlled culling was also mentioned.
But John Beattie had it right when he said that the most offensive thing about this woman was the sheer triumphalism she exhibited, posting stuff all over social media of her exploits.
I'm not a vegetarian, and I am quite partial to the occasional piece of venison, but it comes from deer farms and not via trophy hunting.

On another note, Joe: I also had an email with what was supposed to be a useful medical link in it, sent to me by an American friend: it also only took me to Yahoo!(As David Carter found with your link).


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Raggytash
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 11:52 AM

I wonder if she will do something useful with the skin like make a Bodhran?


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 11:19 AM

"She's out shooting to kill."

..and from such a safe long distance with a sniper rifle,
she might just as well be back at home operating a long range killer drone...

Perhaps that will be the future of trophy hunting as a sport...??????

The technology will soon enough become more affordable for the obscenely wealthy....


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 10:54 AM

The "need to hunt" versus the "need to kill" (Jim's expression) are different. Hunting is a perfectly honorable way to put food on the table, ESPECIALLY when the overpopulation of deer causes problems for both humans and deer (annual starvation die-offs each winter). When the predators are removed from the landscape (primarily wolves and big cats) then there are too many deer, and that is what has happened in at least the US part of North America.

Venison is delicious. The management of game in the US is handled through fees paid for annual hunting licenses, just as game fish management is handled through annual fishing licenses. There are distinct hunting seasons and rules regarding what and how many you may take.

What Ms. Switlyk is doing is something entirely different from hunting. She's out shooting to kill.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Mossback
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 10:17 AM

I think a lot of the trophy hunters make use of the meat. [emphasis mine]

Hmmm............that would be lion meat, baboon meat, rhino meat, elephant meat, leopard meat and such like, yes?,


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Senoufou
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 05:32 AM

A very sinister film Jim. Hunted by humans on Ship Trap Island!! I wonder if it was the inspiration for that reality show currently on TV 'Celebrity Hunted'?

I doubt if Switlyk would be skinning and eating a blooming goat. It would be as tough as old boots and very strongly-flavoured.
No, she does this because she just loves that triumphant moment when the unfortunate animal keels over, kicks its legs and dies.
Evil.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 03:03 AM

Few people, if any in Western society needs to kill animals for food today - they kill for pleasure, and that is obscene
About time they were subjected to their treatment of animals themselves - thatd teach 'em !!
MOST DANGEROUS GAME
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 11:43 PM

SRS, I think a lot of the trophy hunters make use of the meat. We just hear about the ones who are wasteful and destructive.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 11:16 PM

Are any of the animals she is shooting edible? Hunting for food is one thing, but she appears to be trophy hunting, which is an abomination. I don't know many game hunters who have lots of photos of themselves with whatever they shot to eat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 10:45 PM

Mossback, no doubt Larysa Switlyk will pay a big chunk of money for the privilege of culling the herd. I know it doesn't look good, but maybe it's a good idea to take her for everything she's got, and then subject her to the derision she deserves.

Next thing ya know, Larysa Switlyk will be back in Scotland, shooting those cute Scottish cows....

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Mossback
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 05:55 PM

If culling these herds is necessary (I assume it is, but certainly don't know) couldn't it be done by & restricted to gamekeepers or ghillies & done quietly?


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Senoufou
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 05:11 PM

Exactly Moll. "We are the men who own your glen, but you won't see us there!" (The Cheviot, The Stag and the Black Black Oil)

Same here in Norfolk - shooting consortia from outside the county (wealthy nobs) pay gamekeepers to rear pheasants merely so they can slaughter them in vast numbers for 'fun' during the season. Lovely.

It's not just who's let in to Scotland, but the activities they get up to while there. If this American fool had merely sampled the whiskies from the many famous distilleries on Islay, or photographed the beautiful scenery/wildlife, no doubt she'd be welcome to visit at any time.
The Western Isles are ravishingly beautiful. No need to murder innocent wild creatures to pass the time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 05:02 PM

dammit how did I manage that? pressed something too soon - - - --
anyway, these poor pheasants etc (not native to Scotland I believe) slowly lumber into the air to be blasted at by eejits that think they are great for killing or maiming them -- - why can't they prove their skill with clay pigeons?
(* the birds that escape the kill make their way along the hillside towards where I live, come right up to me for food when I am calling my hens around. The 'game' birds associate mankind with nurture- - to me there is something obscene about killing a creature that sees you as a surrogate parent!)
There is an argument that 'deer need to be culled to keep the herd healthy, there are no natural predators in Scotland'
Well - IF that is the case, then the only people doing the culling should be qualified / licensed professionals. Not egotistical assholes. Personally I think that nature will take its course and herd sizes will settle according to the food /forage available.
The estate personnel tell us that Mountain Hares must be culled as they carry ticks that affect grouse and pheasants (as if nothing else carries ticks!!)- so now there are hardly any Mountain Hares left! (Eagles eat Mountain hares- their food source is being decimated. And strangely enough, a lot of eagles mysteriously vanish off the face of the earth close to certain estates..... apparently they take lambs-- probably because there are no hares left?
There are people far better qualified than I am who can give facts and figures- - but think on this: How did these estates come about? the land was where the people lived and worked to feed their families, make a living. But then 'aristocracy' (who made them aristocracy?) appeared and took the land, or were awarded it by 'kings' (who made them kings?)and the people no longer had anywhere to live, grow crops to feed themselves, keep a roof over their heads.
In some countries the land belongs to all the people of that country, not a few rich ones - or worse, outsiders who are not actually residents or tax payers.
Time for CHANGES!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 04:42 PM

alas Devolved Government does not give us any power over migration or even who can visit Scotland - we have had arguments over families who have contributed huge amount to small communities, people we really wish to have here - that have then been threatened with deportation and in some cases been chucked out by UK government. (Nor have we any control over nuclear weapons base not a million miles from where I live!) - Roll on independence -- Scotland is a country that welcomes all who are open minded and willing to integrate into our society; they are welcome to retain their own cultures as long as does not jar with our beliefs and attitudes- - like blowing the brains out of poor wee creatures that are leading their own lives for no reason but your own ego!
I imagine that many of these 'country sports' (ie murdering wildlife un-necessarily) estates are owned by non Scots, ex pats or companies registered in Switzerland or the West Indies? They seem to import 'game' birds that are semi tame* having been reared by hand from chicks


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Mossback
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 10:06 AM

Is this woman married to Ted Nugent, by any chance?


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: Jos
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 09:34 AM

The news item I heard also had someone saying that tourists with cameras contribute more to the local economy than trophy hunters with guns.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keep Larysa Switlyk out of Scotland
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 09:19 AM

..btw...

Hunting with long range sniper rifles.. the big soft jessies...

At least get up close and personal with a club and flint knife
to give the goats a fair chance to fight back...

Surely that'd be more of a blood and adrenalin hunter gatherer thrill for their money...???


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